NFI down 27% after hours!

Saw this post on piggington, and it seems appropriate to paste here... does this seem accurate?

"Industry insider perspective, FWIW.
All of the banks have these toxic loans on board. And they all knew that they were crap. But real estate works in cycles, and the first rule is you never leave money on the table during a boom market--you'll need it when things go bust, as they always do.

But the big banks and mortgage financial giants are not going out of business and will not need a bailout. During down times they just prune their operations, and if its really bad they will prune away everything except an information hub.

Because they are not in the home business, they are in the number tracking business. That's all they need to do, track these records until they reach some sort of decision point (foreclosure, pooling for MBS, etc), capture the releveant information and route it to processors and decision makers. It makes no difference if they are routing info inhouse, or if they are outsourcing. They just track the records.

The only difference with this cycle is that the boom was very big, so the inevitable correction will be big as well. As will the scale of the layoffs and pruning."

NovaStar Chief Financial Officer Greg Metz said the company expects to recognize little, if any, taxable income in 2007 through 2011, so "management is currently evaluating whether it is in shareholders' best interest to retain the company's REIT status beyond 2007 given the asset, income and other REIT-related restrictions the company must operate within."

NovaStar starts the conference call with a warning that anyone expressing opinions about the company will be cut off and disconnected from the call. This doesn't bode well. The natives are getting restless and banging their spears.

And this nugget about MBA-CRL fight over subprime research --sorry CR for OT-ness:

REO Horror Story: Voodoo Magic Ends Promising REO Career

Brian -

Please let us know the details of the CC.

Thanks!!!

Thanks Max.

JBR, I do know people in the industry who talk like that.

They scare the shit out of me.

Tanta, what's the scary part? Is it that he seems to be saying that none of this is a problem?

Not trying to be disingenious, I'm just learning about all this stuff (thanks to CR, you, and others here...) and I'm trying to make sense of it. Thanks! Smile

Sorry to have been so, um, brutal about it, JBR, I didn't mean to be mean to you. I had just finished a long post wherein I shared some things that I learned over a long career of wanting to know just exactly how shit works in this business I'm in and what we get paid for this part and what happens if what we thought would happen when we bought the loans doesn't happen and so on, in very concrete ways. I learned a lot of what I know by crawling around on my hands and knees in the file room digging out the files in question and piecing the story together from the documents and stuff like that. So, not to be too tedious, I have grey hair and it stands on end when I see risks on all sides and no plausible-sounding exit strategy.

Then some puppy pipes up with the wildly original claim (I thought that stuff went out of fashion the day the NASDAQ died) that it isn't really a business about loans and payments and checks and buildings and desks and people and manila folders, not to mention houses. It's really an "information business"! You can just route data to "processors" (who are they, btw?) and, you know, shit will get done. Maybe you'll have some manager you didn't "prune" who can tell whether it got done right or not. Or maybe you don't care, because it's all in the pricing, dude.

"It makes no difference if they are routing info inhouse, or if they are outsourcing." Another wild-eyed innocent who has never heard of identity theft, or has never encountered a situation in which one's own employees, reasonably compensated, pulled the company out of the soup it fell into by relying on lowest-bid contractors who couldn't care less about anything but next quarter-end.

They should send people like that to Iraq to manage the reconstruction funds. Oh, wait . . .

Tanta,

Since you brought up Identity Theft ... Who the heck is securing all the paper left on the desks and the computer disks being auctioned off when all these subprime storefronts are closing overnight. We covered a case on Doom where the HP computers to go to auction were actually advertised on Craigslist, but nobody seemed to care.

Just something from someone who once knew something about Information Technology and knows bloody nothing about financial services (but blogs anyway).

Also from me, regret OT-ness. Actual subject (Wells Fargo dropping lots of subprime staff in NC) very important. Subprime staff (and general staff) contractions at banks important straw in the wind. Remember WaMu tossed their entire inhouse appraisal staff over the Summer. Lots of stuff is being tossed from the troika.

Perfect Storm brewing;

the investment banking world equivalent of the negative amortization, option arm, unfreakinbelievable...

US Edition - Financial News Online

Bies must get her lines from David Lereah!

realist - that is pretty scary.

But it is just more proof of how deep this pool of global liquidity runs. There is more pressure on the people needing to lend the money to make a deal than those needing to borrow. Maybe once we dry a little of that liquidity up by destroying equity then the scales will re-balance.

BTW - I work for a company that was bought out by one of these private equity companies (rich people & institutions pony up... then they go to an investment bank & leverage even more... then buy companies right and left).

The corporate management teams (fee driven I'd bet) have unbelievably deep pockets... wanna hire a couple additional expensive engineers poof you got 4-5 instead... wanna add a multi-million dollar machine poof you got two with an option to buy one more (just in case one brakes down). I've never seen anything like it.

And they are cloning plants just like this one in Asia & Europe simultaneously from the same pockets... the complete antithesis of 'bootstrap'.

But they have made no secret of their plans - they are either going to flip the operation to somebody else or IP the damned thing... I give them five years max.

It is 'Flip This House' on an industrial scale.

And the banks (like in the article) are falling all over themselves to lend them the money to do this. The juice is NOT coming from earnings.

'Unbelievable' doesn't begin to describe it.

Bies used to be an internal auditor for First Tennessee Bank (First Horizon)She recently resigned (from the Federal Reserve). The word in TN is that the bank is going to be taken over.

I got to listen in, on kind of ... a roundtable disussion ... at a large lender today, where this very news was cited as an example the problems at "other mortgage companies".

The highest level sales executive on the call, a few steps from the CEO, literally said "We all know subprime is 'done' --- and there is fear in the market right now." (Although most of the rest of the call was upbeat)

Bloggers to talk like we're the only ones in the know. I don't think so anymore. The bigwigs know... They're just figuring out where to position themselves. (And talking goom and doom, isn't the best public relations!)

The bigwigs know... They're just figuring out where to position themselves. (And talking goom and doom, isn't the best public relations!)

Yup - Keynes had it right, 'fail conventionally' so no one can blame you.

First Tennessee was one of the biggest early packagers of mortgage backed securities in the US, way out of control, and way out in front of even UBS and other big banks. They found a niche market and their MBS business skyrocketed, selling tons of that shit outside the US too. If Bies was part of that, then the Fed has been infected too.

This is very interesting about Susan Bies. and she is the one who is stepping down in March, no?

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