My FIL is loving retirement. His income is SS, a pension tied to COLA, and Treasuries. Meanwhile his wife is slowly dying at home. Of course, medication and the Dr's bills have not gotten more expensive.

This is inflationary, right?

The politicization of economic problems - Credit Writedowns

Posted by Edward Harrison on 18 March 2010 at 4:41 pm

In late 2007 the global economy began to stumble, slipping into the abyss of a deep recession and financial panic. We are only now recovering from this stumble, in large part due to an unprecedented level of fiscal and monetary stimulus. Yet, no sooner is daylight within reach, we start attacking each other, tearing each other down.

The two starkest battle lines being drawn are between the Greeks and the Germans and the Chinese and the Americans.

Last month, there was enough clear headedness that I could post a parody of the madness that has overtaken Europe in Video: The Germans take on the Greeks. But, no more. It is clear, the political nerves are frayed. You’ve got ‘Italy’s worse, and the Germans stole our gold’ and German Leader Says Euro Zone Should Consider Expelling Countries That Threaten Regional Stability. That pretty much sums the battle lines up.

On the Chinese – US front, I have been warning for some time that protectionist rhetoric has a slippery way of turning into trade war reality. Some people seem to think the U.S. isn’t risking a trade war, and that ‘the Chinese started this anyway’ or something to that effect. In any event, the feeling is the Chinese will take it on the chin while the US will get off relatively unscathed – if it actually does come to a tit-for-tat trade war. But is that really true? A trade war transfers wealth from domestic consumers to the protected producers and decreases consumption demand. Lest we forget, the US banking system is hiding hundreds of billions in toxic assets in loan-to-maturity, level three and off balance sheet asset pools. The US is hardly a bastion of economic strength.

Elmo! likes quadruple witching.

EDIT: maybe our first triple digit down-day in ages.

Contribution base needs to be eliminated......also, all sources of income need to be taxed.

nova wrote:

My FIL is loving retirement. His income is SS, a pension tied to COLA, and Treasuries. Meanwhile his wife is slowly dying at home. Of course, medication and the Dr's bills have not gotten more expensive.

My parents retired on two pensions and SS and a low-deductible med plan that cost $40/month. Most boomers aren't getting a deal like that.

noob goldberg wrote:

like quadruple witching

It's probably just profit taking, and even if it isn't, that's the way they'll spin it.....

Cinco-X wrote:

It's probably just profit taking, and even if it isn't, that's the way they'll spin it.....

It's supposed to snow here in Chicago overnight . . . .

noob goldberg wrote:

maybe our first triple digit down-day in ages.

Tease
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Eric wrote:

It's supposed to snow here in Chicago overnight . . . .

The ultimate source of Dooooooooooooooom!!!!!

Not exactly on the current topic, but I've been searching listings in a couple towns I might want to eventually move to. The number of preforeclosures not currently on the market, but likely to hit the market in the next 6-12 months is equal to between 50 and 80% of the inventory currently on the market. These are formerly frothy, but not full-on bubble areas. If this is typical, it's hard to see how there can't be a distressed induced double dip coming in the real estate market later this year. I'm still bearish, and even I found the numbers shocking.

noob goldberg wrote:

likes quadruple witching.
EDIT: maybe our first triple digit down-day in ages.

I bought faz today in the hopes that Elmo! will keep this up into next week ... I may be pissing into the wind.

Anybody depending on SS is in for a big surprise.

CR posted:

It will be interesting to see these documents, but it might not be for a few more years.

Or it might be next week. As I said, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if the S. Ct. denied cert.

Bubblisimo Gerkinov wrote:

I may be pissing up a rope

---You're doing it wrong.
Red Herring Red Herring

---Nice edit, Gerkinov.
Santa Santa

yagij wrote:
The ultimate source of !!
"Daddy, why did our economy crash, you lose your job, mom leave you for my new daddy Tony the firefighter, we got to move from your great big house into this little one way upstairs in another person's house, you got a new car that isn't as nice as your old one, and ..."
"Honey, it's just the snow."

The wage base always seemed to rise faster than my salary.

HomeGnome wrote:

---Nice edit, Gerkinov

Yeah ... I looked at it thought "Wrong piss saying."

Turbo wrote:

The number of preforeclosures not currently on the market, but likely to hit the market in the next 6-12 months is equal to between 50 and 80% of the inventory currently on the market.

I'm not sure what it means to be in "pre-foreclosure", but I've noticed a similar spread in this area. I wonder if being in "pre-foreclosure" means being 2 months behind in mortgage payments. If so, it may be possible that these homeowners are basically getting their mortgagor to give them what us essentially a revolving loan equal to 1 or 2 months house payment. This sort of strategy is common in small business, and IIRC, was mentioned in Guerrilla Financing.

Nova, we both are past sixty five, I enjoy life but hub is confined at home. So don't worry about ss, enjoy life when you are young and have your health and stuff is just stuff which controls you and causes you problems and weighs you down. Had to do the will thingie this week.

Still have words of praise for the Fed and Bernanke, CR?

The Constitution calls for a regular public statement of all public funds. What are they they hiding and why are they so concerned with trade secrets of banks? Are their ingenious innovations needing protection from competitors?

Instead of praising them, how about joining the call for release of the documents.

"It would be nice"... doesn't quite cut it.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:
Are their ingenious innovations needing protection from competitors?
"Fractional reserve lending"... it's this amazing idea where you lend out more money than you can actually ever pay back at once. Sounds totally crazy, I know, but you would not BELIEVE how amazing your life will be right up to the collapse!

a low-deductible med plan that cost $40/month.

There were quite a few people back in the '80's who thought they had retired w/a similar health care benefit.

Turned out, their former corporate employers could easily change the rules after the fact, i.e., employees had done what they'd agreed to, but oh well, corporations had now decided they didn't feel like living up to their end of the bargain. Oh well.

...and now the drive up into the close. They're coming around the last corner, do they have the gas to drive it up to 0?

COLA won't go up, just the cost of food, gas and utilities, medical care and insurance.
Maybe the rent will go down in the skilled living centers?

As a retiree I am not that concerned about SS because the amount is not that large. What I would like is a positive real return on cash and short term securities which for me is a much larger base. 1-2% even would be helpful. This extended period of zero real rates must be difficult for many retired fixed income investors - a transfer from the old to bankers. Guess that is why it is called capitalism.

Jim

azurite wrote:

employees had done what they'd agreed to, but oh well, corporations had now decided they didn't feel like living up to their end of the bargain. Oh well.

Governments change the bargain, too. Watch what happens over the next 20 years.

LANDO: You said they'd be left in the city under my supervision.
VADER: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.

"Maybe the rent will go down in the skilled living centers? "

Yeah, but then you have to rent the three mandatory buckets from the Corporation...

MaryAnn,

Yep. Time is merciless.

ShadowInventory wrote:
Pension and benefit shrinkage... just one example of many to come...
Does this mean the boner pill ads are going to disappear soon? If so maybe there is hope for us after all.

Who needed to borrow $2 trillion fast? "It would be nice" for the market to know.

Did the same entities just pay big bonuses? "It would be nice" for shareholders to know.

Why won't Bernanke tell us? "It would be nice" to know he doesn't favor cronies. Stare Wink

PALM got killed today. Live by the hype, die when the hype wears off.

Remember when PALM was on top of the world and controlled the PDA market? What the hell happened?

Oxtail wrote:

Remember when PALM was on top of the world and controlled the PDA market? What the hell happened?

We began to expect that capability in our cell phones. New paradigm...

"Remember when PALM was on top of the world and controlled the PDA market? What the hell happened? "

YouTube - The Buggles - Video Killed The Radio Star

From the Yahoo linked article on the hit people are taking to their credit scores after enrolling in the Obama mortgage plan.

"I should have been told," that this might happen, Owens said. "Without credit, you can't do a whole lot in life."

When he says "Without credit, you can't do a whole lot in life." He is really saying "America is sooooo screwed."

If this recession is a season than it is only October. The world thinks we stopped the leaves from falling. Sure, a little damage, they turned color, but they are still on the tree. Soon the Owens of the US will be blown away by the winds of November

'Knight' owes millions, say investors - national | Stuff.co.nz
A man investors say owes them millions of dollars is pumping petrol in Otaki, north of Wellington, and says he is a knight. However, investors want to know why he has gone unpunished after he was charged with fraud in America.

Translation : BB giving middle finger to retirees through 2012 at least.

OT, but I gotta know:

Vonbeck, if you are still here, I've been wondering -

Did Mel, the guy on the oil rig you mentioned earlier, did he know ahead of time that his birthday stripper would be his wife's sister?
Was it a salacious gift from the wife and her sister, arranged ahead of time for his benefit with their cooperation?

Or was it, like, a surprise, all of a sudden when the guys said, "Hey, man, we got you something for your birthday," and then out jumps sis-in-law shakin' it?

I like to think it was a surprise, followed by an awkward moment of recognition and down-cast eyes while hootin' and hollerin' went on around him. And then maybe she shrieks, and runs for the powder room when she sees who the guest of honor is.

(But the joint wife/sister-in-law "gift" angle has interesting possibilities, too, you betcha.)
Cool

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

"Daddy, why did our economy crash, you lose your job, mom leave you for my new daddy Tony the firefighter, we got to move from your great big house into this little one way upstairs in another person's house, you got a new car that isn't as nice as your old one, and ..."
"Honey, it's just the snow."


but Honey none of things matter as long we don't allow gays to marry or serve openly in the military.

COLA won't go up, just the cost of food, gas and utilities, medical care and insurance.

Talked to a cabbie from Belarus in sin city last night. He gave the standard curse of communism, but he had a good laugh when I gave him the old "everything the Soviets told us about communism was a lie, but too bad everything they told us about capitalism was true."

He readily admitted that the older people wanted the old system back, but that his generation (30's or so) was happy to 'reset'.

GDD9000 wrote:

Translation : BB giving middle finger to retirees through 2012 at least.

Longer.

OT.

In doing my research on the local housing market, I came across this gem...
Raleigh Real Estate Blog: Triangle Area Ranks Number One in Housing Market Health

"Hanley Wood Market Intelligence, a California research firm, has ranked the Raleigh-Cary real estate market first and the Durham-Chapel Hill market sixth on its list of the healthiest markets among the top 100 U.S. housing markets.

Jonathan Smoke, senior vice president of products and innovation at Hanley Wood, had this to say about Raleigh real estate:

'Based on end-2010 economic forecasts, we think Raleigh will be the healthiest of the largest 100 markets in the country. Raleigh comes out on top because of stronger employment conditions, moderate household income growth, and continued strong household formation. The market still is expected to see minor home price declines (approximately 3 percent decline expected for 2010 over 2009), which is one factor that keeps the market from being even stronger.'"

If the best market in the country is going to lose 3% this year, what does that say about the national decline? And where's Seb to tell me how the Triangle is different?

Chainsaw wrote:

If the best market in the country is going to lose 3% this year, what does that say about the national decline? And where's Seb to tell me how the Triangle is different?

Not Seb, but isn't one corner of the Triangle Washington, DC? That would be a BIG difference between the Triangle and the rest of the country.....

crazyv wrote:
but Honey none of things matter as long we don't allow gays to marry or serve openly in the military.
Damn right! Are you finished with that squirrel leg?

In 2011, for benefits, the increase will be zero or small

Robert Wagner will have a job for the next few years going on tour pitching the reverse mortgage scam...er, scheme.

Cinco-X wrote:

Not Seb, but isn't one corner of the Triangle Washington, DC? That would be a BIG difference between the Triangle and the rest of the country.....

Triangle is central NC. The "corners" are Durham, Raleigh and Chapel Hell. (that's not a typo, I'm a Duke fan)

I wonder if SS will send out a nice letter like the Census did.
I think the Census was just throwing the Postal Service a bone though.
Needs More Cowbell Needs More Cowbell

Perhaps Palm and Blockbuster can work something out together, maybe pull AOL into the deal. Corporate synergy and all that jazz.

Hey, this is year 2010 already. Where are the flying cars, rockets and latex chicks? Future is late already.

the reverse mtges I've closed seem entirely appropriate for the old folk. I think it's the taxpayer that's getting scammed.

That's an early failure.
Cost to DIF 17.1 million.

I was thinking about how to make the most of a bad situation
Thought about all the elderly-incompatible housing with lots of stairs and/or car dependent locations
2 or more retiree households could combine into 1, use the sale proceeds to renovate 1 house into elder-friendly
but then I thought about the condos:
pros -- no stairs, most located in urban and/or warm weather locales
cons -- strata fees, might not get along with younger people in same buildings
a cash4retirees program would in a direct way help employment, retirement security + health (isolation makes for bad aging), and open up housing to encourage new household formation/families especially in desirable areas with existing good schools
on the other hand, you give up on hoping house prices are on the cusp of shooting up if you just withhold another 1mn more delinquent mortgaged homes from resale which would in turn admit that there are not enough retirement savings out there

black dog wrote:

Robert Wagner will have a job for the next few years going on tour pitching the reverse mortgage scam...er, scheme.

He can tout the RevMo whilst playing KebMo in the background to soothe the suckers anxiety. Actually, any reverse mortgages done in the sand states in 2006 are probably good deals for the borrower and not such good deals for the bank. Imagine borrowing $400k with collateral worth $200k today? The banks might be regretting that decision...

crazyv wrote:

none of things matter as long we don't allow gays to marry or serve openly in the military.

Yup, I'm sure my Congressman would agree with that. BTW, we can't let government take over our health care either because it's really just a secret plot to take over student loans:

Passage of the House Democrats’ health care bill would amount to a government takeover of health care, but also lead to a government takeover of student loans, Rep. Howard P. “Buck” McKeon said.

Home Gnome

Relax yogi.

"You want to end the Fed and all you have to sing..."

Hey, I was the optimist today! I say the S.Ct. may deny cert. It would help if public pressure were to boil.

Our esteemed host is deservedly growing in reputation. Why is so much space given to a few billion in mortgage modification when $2 thousand billion were lent in the secret PDCF?

lawyerliz wrote:

the reverse mtges I've closed seem entirely appropriate for the old folk. I think it's the taxpayer that's getting scammed.

do they not pay taxes on the income either at disbursement or ultimate resale? or in the sense that taxpayers will bailout for the underwater portion?

BremNorthwest wrote:

Maybe I missed something, but did anyone see this?

Nice catch. You may want to email CR directly. Looks like FDIC is starting to spread out the work load. It's probably an attempt to mess with Bank Failure Fridays... Hey Gnomeish one. You might have to start your poll on Saturday and close it by 4pm EST Monday if this keeps up.

Out of time sequence too. Only 4 o'clock.

the reverse mtges I've closed seem entirely appropriate for the old folk

Really? I thought the fees they extracted were exorbitant leaving heirs holding a bag of air.

Bloggers should be ridiculing the Fed's legal arguments for secrecy not praising their ponzi skill.

wish I could find the quote repeated in print somewhere
but Bernanke believed the tech bubble would be solved if no one looked at their investment statements
he needs a bubble rapidly to avoid a second downleg
should work with the us export-import bank to offer negative interest rate loans to buyers of exports, to be held within an expanded to the Treasury's off balance sheet $4tn Federal Reserve fund

EvilHenryPaulson wrote:

do they not pay taxes on the income either at disbursement or ultimate resale?

Not sure why liz hasn't replied, but it's just a loan. No taxes involved. It's what made the Home ATM just a wonderous invention a few years ago.

no income taxes on disbursement of mtg funds. Documentary stamps & intang tax--minor only. These houses will never be sold by the borrowers.

Cinco-X wrote:

Posted by Edward Harrison on 18 March 2010 at 4:41 pm

In late 2007 the global economy began to stumble, slipping into the abyss of a deep recession and financial panic. We are only now recovering from this stumble, in large part due to an unprecedented level of fiscal and monetary stimulus. Yet, no sooner is daylight within reach, we start attacking each other, tearing each other down.

That's because the recovery is the result of inflationary policies, and inflation is nothing more than the economic manifestation of theft, deception and lawlessness.

nova wrote:

When he says "Without credit, you can't do a whole lot in life."

He is saying he can't afford the credit/debt he already has.

In truth, he doesn't need anymore.

For most workers, the most important annual Social Security number, for purposes of determining future benefits under current law, is the National Average Wage Index. Each year, all prior earnings subject to Social Security are indexed for NAWI, through the year in which you turn age 60. So, if NAWI goes up, the credits you receive for all past years (up to 35 highest) are recalculated higher.

NAWI is calculated by Social Security, only for Social Security purposes. For 2008, it increased by 2.30%. For 2009, it has not yet been released.

If you keep working after age 60, you do not receive any additional NAWI indexing on any prior years. Those credits are frozen. But any new credits you earn (35 highest years) will earn the nominal amount, with no wage indexing ever.

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