Too late; nobody's paying attention.

Fantasy headline:

Fed must disclose all direct and indirect equity market support programs.

It will be interesting to see these documents, but it might not be for a few more years.
- CR

Justice delayed...

At least another 1-2 bubbles will have blown and popped by then.

It is gonna be a long tough fight, but I believe in the end the People will win this war.

End The Fed

sorry the records were destoryed in the snowblizzards. we have no idea of who got bailout.

besides they insurance companies were buying toxics hand over fist. but it for whatever reason we are going to get health care bailout. maybe that one of the reasons fed didnt want to say who got what when and how.

ghostfaceinvestah wrote:

It is gonna be a long tough fight, but I believe in the end the People will win this war.
End The Fed

Right after we surf the stop QE, freak out, restart QE move.

No effin' way this Court will decide in favor of the public interest. They'll cite national security or some such.

To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands.

He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.

He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature.

He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states:

For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing taxes on us without our consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury:

For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses:

For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule in these colonies:

For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments:

For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

You know, Dawg, some of the youngsters here are gonna think YOU wrote that. Wink

gabyjan wrote:

rob dawg
the prince?

Nahh man. I heard that in a Diddy song once.

Declaration of Independence

gabyjan wrote:

the prince?

George III of England

Feckless Ness wrote:

You know, Dawg, some of the youngsters here are gonna think YOU wrote that.

Lol. Shy

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

Sunday Session with deadlines anyone?

When you look at the trampling of rights under the Patriot Act which started under GWB and has been continued under Obama and is being used to cover up malfeasance at the FED and Treasury it is clear that there is NOTHING different between the Republicans and the Democrats.

Well other than the fact that they are each answerable to and funded by different financial interest groups.

Change you can believe in? Change my frickin ass.

...our version would be a:

Declaration of Dependence

Rob Dawg wrote:

For imposing taxes on us without our consent:

Check.

poic wrote:

Change my frickin ass.

---Sounds like you need to change your Brown Pants Brown Pants
Having caffeine withdrawls because of no casino winnings?
Buck up, poic.
At least you've got lube.

ghostfaceinvestah wrote:

Check.

WTF are you talking about. I'm sure your consent was deemed.

Well other than the fact that they are each answerable to and funded by nominally different financial interest groups.

Fixed It For Ya

What was I saying? HAMP = EPIC FAIL. Even the government is admitting it is a failure. Less disbursements because less modified loans.

What a waste of time and money. Let the market clear.

http://www.housingwire.com/2010/03/19/congress-told-hamp-will-cost-53bn-less-than-expected/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=congress-told-hamp-will-cost-53bn-less-than-expected

"The US Treasury Department initially planned to spend $75bn on the Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP), but in a recent report to Congress, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projected the Treasury will spend a total $22bn on the program. This figure represents total expenditures from day one of HAMP until the program expires in 2012."

"No effin' way this Court will decide in favor of the public interest. They'll cite national security or some such."

Truer words never posted.

Rob Dawg wrote:

Sunday Session with deadlines anyone?

Especially when you think of how hard it is for them to draw themselves into session the rest of the time.

He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.

Check. The whole thing reads like the Table of Contents for a "nova" prequel novelization.

I'm always struck by the anti-Hanoverian tone of the DOI. And of course the "parlimentarianism." I think the Restoration pushed a lot of people into America.

"Having caffeine withdrawls because of no casino winnings?
Buck up, poic.
At least you've got lube. "

lol. No, too much work, a cat that won't shut-up screaming plus a friend who knows nothing about finances chortling about the money he's making in the market.

Rob Dawg wrote:

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and ...For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment


i always knew king george III was out to get me

mock turtle wrote:

i always knew king george III was out to get me
Steve Steve

Thanks for posting that Dawg.

I have yet to be convinced that we are suffering under tyranny anywhere near as badly as the colonists were. There is no reason (yet?) for a revolution.

It will be interesting to see these documents

Yes, it will be interesting to see if there will be enough words in all the redacted documents to complete a single sentence.

"I have yet to be convinced that we are suffering under tyranny anywhere near as badly as the colonists were. There is no reason (yet?) for a revolution."

When the revolution starts I plan to put a TV running American Idle reruns 24x7 in my driveway so that the gnashing hoards are lulled into complacency as they walk by my house.

So we got a 3,650 day revisionist reprieve from the governor?

"Yes, it will be interesting to see if there will be enough words in all the redacted documents to complete a single sentence. "

redacted, redacted "This suckers going down!", redacted, redacted ....................

Rob Dawg wrote:

A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

One more time:
Feodor I of Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

poic wrote:

When the revolution starts I plan to put a TV running American Idle reruns 24x7 in my driveway so that the gnashing hoards are lulled into complacency as they walk by my house.

They'll know you have electricity. Might as well paint a bullseye on your chest.

Chicago Dude wrote:

I have yet to be convinced that we are suffering under tyranny anywhere near as badly as the colonists were.

I think it is much, much worse. The ruling elites today have learned from the mistakes of tyrants past, and they have more scientific means to monitor and control the population and keep the peasants subdued.

Rob Dawg wrote:

i always knew king george III was out to get me

Bush II screwed you so bad, so think of him as King George.

Was watching the telly last night, and they had a commercial for a redactionist trade school...

Have sharpie, will travel

"I have yet to be convinced that we are suffering under tyranny anywhere near as badly as the colonists were"

What tyranny..20-30 percent of future Americans were on the BRITISH side during American Revolutionary War! Another 30 percent did not give a shit either war.

ghostfaceinvestah wrote:

I think it is much, much worse. The ruling elites today have learned from the mistakes of tyrants past, and they have more scientific means to monitor and control the population and keep the peasants subdued.

Are Americans being murdered by government agents? Are Americans being forced at gunpoint to take up arms against their fellow Americans?

Being poor is one thing. Having a government that will kill you if you speak your mind is quite another.

I'm fluent in Newspeak. Maybe I should apply.

"They'll know you have electricity. Might as well paint a bullseye on your chest. "

Not if the electricity cable for the TV is clearly running to my neighbors house.

Chicago Dude wrote 10:35 am

I have yet to be convinced that we are suffering under tyranny anywhere near as badly as the colonists were. There is no reason (yet?) for a revolution.


seems to me one must exhaust all reasonable peaceful alternatives AND

have been the victim of great inhuman injustices and violence before one would even consider revolution

but i am in favor of trials, and prison sentences

and the federal reserve should be abolished....they stole from the american people

and i blame congress...the fed is a creature of their making and congress should drive a stake into its heart

Chicago Dude wrote:

Are Americans being murdered by government agents?

Do you really want to ask that question? Ask Donald P. Scott his opinion.

LoserBeachBum wrote:

What tyranny..20-30 percent of future Americans were on the BRITISH side during American Revolutionary War! Another 30 percent did not give a shit either war.

This is true. The whole revolution was essentially carried out by a minority. OTOH, all the people who sat around and did nothing to oppose it were giving silent consent. And of course the number of people who could read was a much smaller proportionally than now, so many probably didn't know much about what was going on.

adornosghost (profile) wrote (in reply to...) on Fri, 3/19/2010 - 10:39 am

Rob Dawg wrote:

i always knew king george III was out to get me

Bush II screwed you so bad, so think of him as King George.


actually mt wrote that and rd was responding with a quote

and uh btw

turtles never accept sex from texas red necks , btw the fed gave the country far worse an ftd...financial transmitted disease

King George II was the Warren Harding that refused to go away silently for Cal.

mock turtle wrote:

seems to me one must exhaust all reasonable peaceful alternatives AND

have been the victim of great inhuman injustices and violence before one would even consider revolution

Yes, and the Declaration of Independence goes to great lengths to explain that this is the proper course and that they have exhausted all reasonable peaceful alternatives. It is a fantastic document.

We are in the midst of a financial war of sorts, and we'll get a ruling on this in a few years?

If only we could Schiavo it along a little quicker, eh?

scone i think it would be lack of communications, news could only travel as fast as a horse, or a barge. news traveled slow in those days

Now that my 3-lbs of butter are chilling, lets play this out: After appeal, TheFed is required to disclose all requested documents. This process will as well be drawn out, document after document will be subject to still more court cases and arguments, and finally, it will be realized that TheFed had higher priorities than that of the USofA's. What few people will hear the abbreviated news report on too few networks, they will continue to be 'ostrich-like' in their reaction. Politicians will continue to compromise what few values they might still possess and they will continue with their haughty 'plantation owner to house slave' attitude as the wheels of justice turn slower and slower until creaking to a virtual stop.

When some of our congressmen feel that any voters' questioning of their opinions or beliefs is "harassment", we have some major problems, attitudes, and egos to overcome.

» The Heat is On: Congressman’s Office Says Constituent Calls Are ‘Harassment’ - Big Government

yes, it does, agreed, jefferson nailed it

I predict an epic battle for the courts, with unexpected political stances or alliances

Chicago Dude wrote:

Are Americans being murdered by government agents?

With today's brainwashing and control grid, murder is no longer necessary, there are much easier ways to control the population.

For the minority who do step out of line, our prison system is much more advanced.

ghostfaceinvestah wrote:

For the minority who do step out of line, our prison system is much more advanced.

.....and the healthcare is better as well.....

1775: The shot heard 'round the world

2010: The debt herd around the world

Loan aid leads to drop in credit scores

Some good quotes in this one:
"Housing counselors say it's unfair, especially because the news often comes as a surprise to homeowners."
""Why should people's credit be hurt even worse when they're trying to do the right thing?" said Eileen Anderson, senior vice president at Community Development Corp. of Long Island, a housing counseling group in New York."

A few years?

If they go all the way to the Supremes and they tell the Fed to make the documents available. Oh, say "2012."

2012 Supreme Court rules
Fed says they will comply but...

We need to assemble all docs and scan them. Once we have that in place through a supplimental funding request we will start.

2013 Supplimental funding for program is passed.

2014 Program begins

2015 First carefully selected batch of documents is made available to the public. Nothing really ugly is found.

2016 WWIII interupts processing.

2057 Goat Herder Boy is sitting by the fire while Grandpa Goat herder tells stories to disbelieving children of the world that used to be.

This is true. The whole revolution was essentially carried out by a minority.

Thank goodness. Then maybe change actually can happen now. Even if only 1% of the population is awake.

BTW, I'm looking for a new new world. Anyone know of any nice places that are as of yet undiscovered and brimming with natural resources? Preferably with desiduous trees.

Tomorrows News Headline:

Dept. of Homeland Security Seizes Files and Notes

The Department of Homeland Security has seized all the Federal Reserve files and notes pertaining to TARP, HEMP, LIMP, LUMP and PERP programs. "These [files] have sensitive information and should it fall in to terrorist hands we could imagine a state of financial Armageddon" says the Homeland Press Spin Spokesperson.

The information widely believed to provide insight into the causes of the financial disaster in 2007 and 2008. Speaking on behalf of the US Bankers Association, Mr. Wombat said “this is a good day for Amerika knowing that their and their clients banking privacy has been kept safe” from revolutionary free thinkers that believe the bailouts were to engorge bankers and their associates.

“We spend millions encouraging and engaging US law makers and their staff and we are comfortable with the decision to move the files and make them confidential for 50 years” says Mr. Wombat and that “we can now proceed to consolidate the industry and make profitable businesses knowing that the US taxpayer is backing our interest and in so doing their interest as well”. Mr. Wombat dismissed claims that the files show how close Amerika came to financial meltdown because bankers were foot lose with money and credit. Mr. Wombat did acknowledge that the music was too loud at times for clarity in the lending process.

Former President Bush who lobbied behind the scenes to get initiative done was quoted as saying “yez, my friends called and I helped out a bit on this to prevent another 9/11 – you know that building coming down thing in New York a few years ago” .
.

It will be interesting to see these documents, but it might not be for a few more years.
- CR

The system can always be worked to the benefit of those in control.

Free socialized health in both prisons and the armed forces, funny that.

Black Star Ranch wrote:

When some of our congressmen feel that any voters' questioning of their opinions or beliefs is "harassment", we have some major problems, attitudes, and egos to overcome.

Note the use of the words: "harassment" if you question authority; Ron Paul is dismissed as a "kook" and a "conspiracy theorist".

The tyranny today is nothing like the tyranny of the colonial days, it is much more Orwellian. Tyranny has advanced with the times.

gabyjan wrote:

scone i think it would be lack of communications, news could only travel as fast as a horse, or a barge. news traveled slow in those days

That didn't help, of course. Most of the news was sent in the form of "broadsides" or "broadsheets," which were like pamphlets. They were spread up and down the coastal cities, passed from hand to hand and nailed to trees. If you couldn't read, you were out of the loop and had to depend on word of mouth. The spread of the revolution was by fits and starts, with a lot of confusion. It didn't help that the fighting was essentially a guerrilla war, either. Washington won just by a hair, in the end. It could easily have gone the other way. And the Brits didn't really give up until after 1812. If it were not for the French and the general distraction of the French Revolution/Napoleonic wars, we would never have won.

Barley

Better and more likely.

Are Americans being murdered by government agents? Are Americans being forced at gunpoint to take up arms against their fellow Americans?

No (with a handful of exceptions); but it is fair to ask whether this is merely because these are outmoded methods of control. We can see that the labor of hundreds of thousands of human lifetimes was recently stolen in order to support social position of those in the financial industry; is that really much better than forcing someone to serve at gunpoint? Further, there are plenty of things I can do, like protesting outside of a 'free speech zone', that will result in me being imprisoned if I push it. I would argue that in terms of impaired liberty the colonists were actually less oppressed than the people of America today, because the control of the government of today more than makes up for in ubiquity what it has given up in terms of outright violence.

OT: anecdote; earlier this month we bought new Toyota Tundra (our previous 2007 pickup from Chrysler was a lemon so they bought it back for a good price). We were at the same dealer earlier in the year (before the recall) and the dealer seemed very busy (this was on the weekend). We bought it on weekday around 6pm and things seemed much quieter.

Even with rebates and other incentives, it didn't seem that the dealer was back to normal (we bought few days after the new incentives came out so maybe the "pent up demand" aleady peaked?). The pickup we bought, we're pretty sure it was the one we test drove about 7 weeks earlier so they weren't selling like hot cakes (yet) . But then again here in so cal, pickups aren't so popular compared to, say. Texas....

very much alike prison and military and boarding schools(wonder if they have socialized health care?}

Good afternoon everyone. Finally figured out what was going on with my demonically possessed computer. Didn't want to mention before, since it would sound like I went off the deep end, but my new pc has been talking. Usually when I am out of the room. Be doing chores or something, and a very low unintelligible voice would come out of the study. My wife heard it too, and one night when I forgot to shut the pc down, we both woke up to a very low voice muttering like a demon. Scared the hell out of us. Anyway, this morning, while I was actually in the room, it started talking again. Apparently this open case design with new sound card combined with my power amp for my speakers has the mysterious ability to broadcast radio communication from the local gas rigs. We have several near by. I don't know what the catalyst for reception is yet, but I heard a pretty funny conversation this morning about Mel and his birthday stripper...apparently the stripper was his wife's sister. Nothing like a random voice swearing like a sailor coming out of your study.

OT but a good summary of "health care" bill. (Warning four page pdf)
http://static1.firedoglake.com/1/files/2010/03/mythfactshcr.pdf

von Beck,

That is actually coded instructions being sent to you by the government. Please arm yourself and await the "Go" command.

*Are Americans being murdered by government agents? *

*With today's brainwashing and control grid, murder is no longer necessary, there are much easier ways to control the population.

For the minority who do step out of line, our prison system is much more advanced.
*
Why murder us if they can enslave us via debt and suck us dry for the rest of our lives and we're so jacked up on Prozac and American Idol to ever realize we're nothing more than debt-bots?

Are Americans being forced at gunpoint to take up arms against their fellow Americans?

Americans are gladly paying out of pocket to arm themselves, and as of yet there are no cash-4-guns or cash-4-ammo programs that i'm aware of...

The threat was that Obamachev would take away their rights, but he only went the opposite way and made holding big iron in the National Parks the law of the land~

Why couldn't the Fed and Treasury have shown this much legal backbone when it came to CDS payouts for Wall Street?

Outsider wrote:

Thank goodness. Then maybe change actually can happen now. Even if only 1% of the population is awake.

"The past is a different country." The 18th century was very different. In the 18th c., the differences were mostly about slave-owning versus free states. These differences were papered over by the Continental Congress after much argument. But the conflict eventually came out anyway, in the Civil War.

In any case, we can't "change" effectively because we can't agree on what needs changing. 50 - 50 nation is divided against itself. The red states and blue states might as well be different countries. These days, Americans have such drastic conflicts of values they can't cooperate to do anything. The days when a John McCain could be good friends with Ted Kennedy are over, seemingly. There is no "mediating middle." The middle is simply a kingmaker handing power to red or blue, alternately. We have become like the French army joke, marching left, right, left, right.

March 19 (Bloomberg) -- Senator Christopher Dodd will cut a provision from his financial-regulation proposal that Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Chairman Sheila Bair said could provide a “backdoor bailout” for failing companies. Senator Dodd, unaware that his microphone was on was overheard saying "...I called it the Barney Move...laughter...I got something else planned. When I get off the Hill I am going to be so rich..."

His spokeswoman Kirstin Brost said today in an e-mail that the Senator was misquoted and he really said "That Barney is a heck of a man. When I get off my pills I am going to be a real bitch."

sam.2 wrote:

Why murder us if they can enslave us via debt and suck us dry for the rest of our lives and we're so jacked up on Prozac and American Idol to ever realize we're nothing more than debt-bots?

Exactly. The conditioning is something to behold.

Go justice system, go, go!!!!

book tip:

Strange Defeat by Marc Bloch

My wife and I were talking about what the French WW2 fighter plane was, and neither of us were sure, that's how quickly they fell.

nova (homepage, profile) wrote on Fri, 3/19/2010 - 10:58 a
A few years?
If they go all the way to the Supremes and they tell the Fed to make the documents available. Oh, say "2012."


hey we're still waiting for the release of all that top secret information about jfk assassination

from wiki

. "The unpublished portion of the (Kennedy) assasination records was initially sealed for 75 years (to 2039) under a general National Archives policy that applied to all federal investigations by the executive branch of government,[111] a period "intended to serve as protection for innocent persons who could otherwise be damaged because of their relationship with participants in the case.”[112] The 75-year rule no longer exists, supplanted by the Freedom of Information Act of 1966 and the JFK Records Act of 1992. ......snip....The remaining Kennedy assassination related documents are scheduled to be released to the public by 2017, twenty-five years after the passage of the JFK Records Act. The Kennedy autopsy photographs and X-rays were never part of the Warren Commission records and were deeded separately to the National Archives by the Kennedy family in 1966 under restricted conditions.[115]

Several pieces of evidence and documentation are described to have been lost, cleaned, or missing (including ) Oswald's military intelligence file destroyed in 1973

wikipedia

ha ha ha ha ha imagine that oswalds military record destroyed in 73

wtf

then again who would have thought to save those records for history

hey honey im cleaning out the attic...do we need these, nah just oswalds military records, ok ill just throw em out

effemol

Not funny. That is what I thought at first too. My wife's boss's boss is a ham radio nut, he is going to come over and take a look. He is curious. I still can't tell where the sound is coming from yet. It doesn't sound like it is coming out of the speakers themselves.

In any case, we can't "change" effectively because we can't agree on what needs changing.

I'd be satisfied with throwing out the oligarchy and overhauling the corrupted financial system. I'll be you could get consensus on that ground. What % of the population were anti-TARP?

After that, just settle into states according to common interest, and we can peacefully co-exist.

Too utopian?

I still contend it was a bankers dozen up on the grassy knoll, that did the deed.

von Beck,

Don't worry about it. My coffee pot tells me every morning "Your mother was a frog! Your mother was a frog!" I have no idea what that means but as long as it doesn't start making decaf I am ok with it.

scone wrote:

The red states and blue states might as well be different countries.

.......they are supposed to be.

"In any case, we can't "change" effectively because we can't agree on what needs changing."

........"we" isn't supposed to mean everybody here. Just whatever one or bunch of the united States.

nova wrote:

If they go all the way to the Supremes and they tell the Fed to make the documents available. Oh, say "2012."

Probably December 21. They would plan it for the day of the apocalypse, wouldn't they?

Those devious No one 17 and under admittedholes.

Outsider wrote:

I'd be satisfied with throwing out the oligarchy and overhauling the corrupted financial system. I'll be you could get consensus on that ground. What % of the population were anti-TARP?

Can't happen. Put a tea partier and a microbrew-sucking lib on a committee and they'll be at each others throats within minutes. Look at the discussion here. It regularly devolves into flame wars at the slightest mention of anything that could be remotely construed as a hot button. I see this happening at the local level all the time-- nothing but constant fighting. Look at the shit that went down when Merrimack banned 12th Night. It's crazy.

REBear wrote:

NJ tsunami.

Those local Jersey budget cuts represent a lot of jobs lost, directly or through ripple.

Vonbek777 wrote:

Not funny. That is what I thought at first too. My wife's boss's boss is a ham radio nut, he is going to come over and take a look. He is curious. I still can't tell where the sound is coming from yet. It doesn't sound like it is coming out of the speakers themselves.

Its pretty common problem. Solving Radio Interference RFI Breakthrough, Computer Speakers & HiFi
It happens to my spearkers as well but is usually pretty faint so it doesn't bother me.

Vonbek777 wrote:

I still can't tell where the sound is coming from yet. It doesn't sound like it is coming out of the speakers themselves.

There is an extremely good chance that your motherboard has a tiny piezo speaker on it. It's for beeping when beeping is deemed important.

One of my amps used to pick up a Spanish radio station. I just turned it down and learned a new language.

My wife told me it was all the Tinfoil Hat in the study. She might be right.

I just turned it down and learned a new language

.........LOL........

nova wrote:

2057 Goat Herder Boy is sitting by the fire while Grandpa Goat herder tells stories to disbelieving children of the world that used to be.

Every night we does the tell.....

Maybe you can put them to pasture and have BSR milk them...

noob,

Just because they are sociopaths does not mean they are dumb.

Driving through NM, you get Navajo on your radio dial...

You understand about every 11th word.

LOL....Thanx......I gotta go work outside......my butter, dishes and inside chores are done, Have a good one peoples...

nova wrote:

Just because they are sociopaths does not mean they are dumb.

You're right. All of the dumb sociopaths work for the DMV.

I was in 7th grade with a bunch of Navahos. They were all 17 and had bad attitudes.

I've got a number 10 tin of mountain house spaghetti that's good until 2034, or that's Mayan understanding...

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

I've got a number 10 tin of mountain house spaghetti that's good until 2034, or that's Mayan understanding...

I'm sure the tin will be there, but will anyone be around to eat it?

noob....funny and true.

How does one go about getting a "rehearing" from the U.S. Court of Appeals?
or "appeal to the full appeals court". I thought next step would be SCOTUS ... any help?

...people act as if the 2001 prediction of total destruction of commerce by the Toltec didn't happen

Vonbek777 wrote:

Apparently this open case design with new sound card combined with my power amp for my speakers has the mysterious ability to broadcast radio communication from the local gas rigs.

In your setup do you have both 3 pronged power plus and 2 prong power plug on equipment that is connected via other cables? I've seen that setup act as a receiver before....

Put a tea partier and a microbrew-sucking lib on a committee and they'll be at each others throats within minutes.

That's where the idea of establishing states according to personal preferences comes in. We have a state for teapartiers, a state for microbrew-sucking libs. Smile Lots more state control, joined as a federal govt. for big purposes like defense.

Personally, I'd like to claim residence in the leave-me-the-hell-alone state. Until I'm ready to move on to the medicare state.

mock,

I used to work with a guy who was an investigator for the Senate Organized Crime. He told me he heard a wiretap that, for him at least, proved it was a mob hit.

Apparently if you use a special type of pyramidally storage container, time stops, and anything you put in last forever. Did they find slices of uneaten pizza and donuts in the Great Pyramid?

Somebody posted an interactivee NJ ballance the budget thing some months ago and it was impossible to do without getting absolutely everyone mad at you.

Yeah, and there was a 2 for 1 coupon for a pyramid scheme on the outer cardboard box.

Already tried rerouting the power to another outlet. I think the real problem may be that on the other side of the wall, the fridge is plugged in. I think that may also be the catalyst for reception kicking in...the fridge cycling on and off.

There was also a mobster that confessed to involvement in the affair on his deathbed. Of course this doesn't mean that the CIA wasn't also involved. The more the merrier.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Toltec didn't happen

It seems that at least once a day I learn something from one of your comments that I probably would have gone through my entire life not knowing otherwise.

I am ill-equipped for a battle of wits with you.

scone wrote:

Look at the discussion here. It regularly devolves into flame wars at the slightest mention of anything that could be remotely construed as a hot button.

Actually, I thought we'd played nicely here. Innocent

Outsider wrote:

That's where the idea of establishing states according to personal preferences comes in. We have a state for teapartiers, a state for microbrew-sucking libs.

That's essentially what's going on, but it's having very bad effects. If you don't rub shoulders with people you disagree with, you tend to demonize them, and your own views get over-validated by your peers, and tend to become more entrenched and extreme. Separating people along religious, ethnic, and political lines leads to mutually antagonistic states. That's why Gandhi was against Partition-- look at the history of Pakistan and India. It's very dangerous to create these extremes.

Anybody can ask for a rehearing within something like 10 days from the same court that already heard you. Sometimes they even reverse themselves.

Vonbek777 wrote:

Already tried rerouting the power to another outlet. I think the real problem may be that on the other side of the wall, the fridge is plugged in. I think that may also be the catalyst for reception kicking in...the fridge cycling on and off.

You might try zip tying the speaker wires into loops. That eliminated the reception for my speakers.

von Beck,

If you can wait until tommorow I will ask my coffee pot.

nova wrote:
2057 Goat Herder Boy is sitting by the fire while Grandpa Goat herder tells stories to disbelieving children of the world that used to be.
"Rat again?", Goat Herder Boy moaned impotently, right within earshot of Grandpa... How he longed for the days of squirrel, the succulent meat of his childhood days; he could almost smell the three or four ounces of meaty goodness roasting over the spit outside their old lean-to. But, alas, it was indeed rat that would have to suffice tonight. Suddenly, Grandpa jerked his head around, about to utter a stream of profanities in rapid succession that only old men can deliver artfully and naturally, but alas his words were cut silent by the roar of a jet taking off in the airfield nearby, the translucent, glassy hi-rise towers looking on sadly from high above, sturdy and futuristic, strangely out of place looking onto the modern favela that had once been a prosperous dwelling-place for middle-class families in better times, emblazoned with the logo any non-elite child was raised to both fear and respect above all others. His thoughts cut off prematurely by the intruding sound of mass-driver propulsion, Grandpa raised his fist angrily in the air, shouting to his grandson, to the world, to God, to the universe itself, it seemed: "No one 17 and under admitted you, Squid!"

I called it the Barney Move

Why are they always picking on barney? who was it, dick armey a number of years ago busted calling him barney f@g? These boys all need to look in the mirror some day.

Tool of the Fed wrote:

How does one go about getting a "rehearing" from the U.S. Court of Appeals?
or "appeal to the full appeals court". I thought next step would be SCOTUS ... any help?

Basically, initial appeals are usually heard by 3-judge panels. The number of total Circuit judges varies from Circuit to Circuit. The next step in the appeal process after the three-judge panel usually is to petition for an en banc rehearing. That means all the judges on the Circuit hear the case (well, 9 Cir. has something different IIRC, but nevermind.) The Circuit can rehear en banc or refuse much like the SC. After that decision or refusal is when one usually petitions the SC.

bbartlog wrote:

There was also a mobster that confessed to involvement in the affair on his deathbed. Of course this doesn't mean that the CIA wasn't also involved. The more the merrier.

The thing that always baffled me about the conspiracy theorists was that their theories always seemed to rely on a conspiracy involving the mob, the CIA, and Castro...Oh, and Oswald was trained in Russia....This all seems like a really odd crew to be involved in a conspiracy.

ghostfaceinvestah wrote:

It is gonna be a long tough fight, but I believe in the end the People will win this war.

End The Fed

I'd be a whole lot more confident if people were actually fighting it....Instead they're watching Am Idol, and debating about healthcare.

noob goldberg wrote:

I am ill-equipped for a battle of wits with you.

Are you claiming to be only halfway prepared?

thanks Liz ... that seems almost comical at first glance. "I don't like your answer, let me play again"

I think the CR forums are like the first level of hell. No one is going to change anybody's mind, but we keep talking ad nauseam anyway. After an eternity, people are going to rub people the wrong way, but unless you want to descend deeper, you are stuck, and may as well make it as pleasant and hopeless as possible.

Vonbek777 wrote:
Apparently if you use a special type of pyramidally storage container, time stops, and anything you put in last forever. Did they find slices of uneaten pizza and donuts in the Great Pyramid?
Damn. We should have tried a large scale one on September 10th, 2001.

very concise and informative, thank you!

Uncle Ar wrote:

who was it, dick armey a number of years ago busted calling him barney f@g?

He's angry for being given the name "Dick Army"....

Words are like a disease, they spread everywhere.

JD,

Very cool! I am listening to it now. A truck commercial for hauling water and hay! If you have $800 a month income you are guaranted a truck!

hmm... missile shield, pyramid shield...

Chicago Dude wrote:

I have yet to be convinced that we are suffering under tyranny anywhere near as badly as the colonists were. There is no reason (yet?) for a revolution.

Then you aren't paying attention.

That's essentially what's going on

The hell it is. The US has become far more homogenous and the fortunes of the various state more intertwined over the past hundred years. And it's precisely because a fifth of the GDP is being funneled through DC and then distributed unevenly that people fight like cats and dogs. And Gandhi ultimately acceded to partition rather than embrace civil war; seems to me he made the right choice.

Tool of the Fed:How does one go about getting a "rehearing" from the U.S. Court of Appeals?
or "appeal to the full appeals court". I thought next step would be SCOTUS ... any help?

Wow, ben is here asking for legal advice. Wink

Wall street and the corporations have got to be pissed with the Manhattan judge, but they know they've got the supreme court of King Dubya there for them

Then you aren't paying attention.

Suffering is a state of mind.

Cinco-X wrote:

Are you claiming to be only halfway prepared?

On a good day.

You're basically describing the world of today as experienced by Somalis, Afghanis and I don't even know who else.

NateTG wrote:
Suffering is a state of mind.
So is the universe. It's just very persistent.

bbartlog wrote:

And it's precisely because a fifth of the GDP is being funneled through DC and then distributed unevenly that people fight like cats and dogs.

Nope. Everybody likes pork, and everybody hates the other guys' pork. We're all in agreement about that. What we can't agree about is abortion, guns, gays, evolution, yada yada yada. It's an unbridgeable divide.

Crazy things are happening all over. Just heard that LL was drugged and screwed by the good doctors at a hospital. Hopefully, they washed their hands before applying the latex. Get well soon LL
PS Did you mean to tell us about that nun?

NateTG wrote:

Suffering is a state of mind.

Fathered by ignorance and want.

Cinco-X wrote:

The thing that always baffled me about the conspiracy theorists ...

You're looking at it the wrong way.

The official story is full of holes. That's all you need to know to be distrustful of TPTB. Trying to create an alternative theory because you know the official one is flawed is an exercise in futility ... IMO.

Same goes for 9/11.

bbartlog wrote:

That's essentially what's going on

The hell it is.

Scone is correct. The coasts and the Great Lakes periphery have become liberal bastions, while the remainder of flyover country has become more conservative. Why do you think the conservatives are rooting for global warming?

That's why Gandhi was against Partition-- look at the history of Pakistan and India. It's very dangerous to create these extremes.

In agrarian illustrations (where many of our phrases come from), on a farm you have many different types of animals. They graze peacefully in fields, mostly with their own flocks, with their own purposes, but all part of the same farm system.

Makes you think - if nature can do it, why can't we?

(okay - I'm done philosophizing now)

bbartlog wrote:

You're basically describing the world of today as experienced by Somalis, Afghanis and I don't even know who else.

I believe that the Afghans derive a lot of their protein from insects. Rats might be a step up....

Makes you think - if nature can do it, why can't we?

...a good many would be tempted by sheep thrills

t r orwell wrote:

Just heard that LL was drugged and screwed by the good doctors at a hospital.

I heard she really needed the screwing, but was unable to stand up afterward.....

Bubblisimo Gerkinov wrote:

Same goes for 9/11.

Again, I promise you that Al Quaeda was behind 9-11........

Can't wait for the Dillawhatevers costing $137.47 per pill on her bill (that big insurance will pay off)

My father just got back from a 'business' trip to Afghanistan a few weeks ago. He has traveled to some pretty rough parts of the world, in Africa and the Middle East...his impressions upon return, were most depressing.

Heard Dick Army speak back in the day, during Hil and Bil's pproblems. Said if his wife had caught him the last words he would have ever heard was how do I reload this sob.

Vonbek777 wrote:

My father just got back from a 'business' trip to Afghanistan a few weeks ago.

A mercenary?

How so? In the 1920s and 1930s the upper midwest was a socialist area, one of the few places where they were able to take control of some state legislatures. In that time the state bank of North Dakota was created. The heat and noise that the Ds and Rs put out in their staged fights can't hide the fact that the real difference of political opinion were actually greater then. As for the abortion and gun rights, etc., I agree that people get worked up about them, but again the actual differences in policy from state to state are small, and on the national level there is mysterious stasis regardless of who is in charge.

California police and firemen need help fast. I'm sure Shedlock will be there with his group of volunteers shortly
Calif police department on alert for deadly traps | US National Headlines | Comcast.net

...a good many would be tempted by sheep thrills

republicrams and demicreeps ?

Let's just say the Army still needs his expertise in certain matters, and has retained his services. Thank god they didn't force him to put the uniform back on.

Outsider wrote:

In agrarian illustrations (where many of our phrases come from), on a farm you have many different types of animals. They graze peacefully in fields, mostly with their own flocks, with their own purposes, but all part of the same farm system.

That's actually part of the problem-- primates are not at all like ungulates and other herd animals. A troop of primates is a much, much more complex society than a herd of wildebeests. All the hierarchical infighting and ritual peacemaking is who we are as great apes, smart and argumentative by nature. It has worked for us, we're at the top of the pyramid herding the herd animals-- we value power and success more than peace.

t r orwell wrote:

California police and firemen need help fast. I'm sure Shedlock will be there with his group of volunteers shortly
Calif police department on alert for deadly traps | US National Headlines | Comcast.net

FWIW, there's a high likelihood that arsonists will turn out to be firemen.

Cinco-X wrote:

Again, I promise you that Al Quaeda was behind 9-11........

Doesn't matter. The lack of a proper investigation and gaping holes in the official story is fishy.

That doesn't mean Al Queda didn't do it, it just means it's fishy.

Vonbek777 wrote:

Let's just say the Army still needs his expertise in certain matters, and has retained his services. Thank god they didn't force him to put the uniform back on.

Givin' the enemy "swirrlies", huh?

Hey I'm right here guys. Just had some physical therapy. . .

I was told that I was lucky the dr was there already so I didn"t have to wait to be screwed.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:
Can't wait for the Dillawhatevers costing $137.47 per pill on her bill (that big insurance will pay off)
Had a friend tell me about his experience with deathcare last year when they had their first child. Among notable anecdotes: OTC Tylenol, 1 dose (2 pills), $20. Eating identical food at the hospital with his wife in her hospital room: his charge less than $10, hers appeared on the bill at $40. Major hospital in the upper midwest.

Mark Pittman was the Bloomberg reporter who led the charge and filed the original FOIA suit. He died suddenly and unexpectedly on Nov. 25, 2009.

On quite a few cars in Hemet, you used to see a bumper sticker that reads:

"Pray for me, I drive in Hemet"

The implication being that it was a holdout for bluehairs that didn't drive so well~

How things have changed...

Again, I promise you that Al Quaeda was behind 9-11........

And who are you to argue with rupert murdoch again? He says it was sadaam hussein so that must be right.

If not, the supply siders are in big trouble.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:
"Pray for me, I drive in Hemet"
A shame there is no town named "Ebriated"... but it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue...

lawyerliz wrote:

I was told that I was lucky the dr was there already so I didn"t have to wait to be screwed.

Gotta love that American health care system. In Canada you might have had to stand in line for a screwing-

Cinco-X wrote:
FWIW, there's a high likelihood that arsonists will turn out to be firemen.
Q: What were you thinking?
A: I like my job and want to keep it.

JD,

If it looks like I am not going to be able to wipe myself and headed for deathcare I am going to a place near Cameron Station,sit down and die. They can pile rocks over me and leave me there.

Uncle Ar wrote:

And who are you to argue with rupert murdoch again? He says it was sadaam hussein so that must be right.

I don't know about Sadaam Hussein, but I do know for a fact that Osama bin Laden and Mohamed Atta were involved, and that they were planning it while Bill Clinton was still in office.

Doesn't matter. The lack of a proper investigation and gaping holes in the official story is fishy.

Keep in mind too:
when Mathias Rust landed a small plane in Red Square, embarassing Soviet air defenses, literally hundreds of soviet military officers lost their jobs.
when our air defenses failed (for no good reason, apparently), resulting in the deaths of 3000, absolutely no one was fired. The lack of rolling heads is not the sort of thing that makes people think 'aha, problem found and fixed - the investigators did their job'.

In Canada you might have had to stand in line for a screwing-

What was good for sarah palin might be good for you.

If it's a no host bar, I can make it to the wake.

Talked to an elderly gentleman in Hemet awhile back on a late spring day. He literally cried about the heat and wished he lived on the coast

lawyerliz wrote:

I was told that I was lucky the dr was there already so I didn"t have to wait to be screwed.

so the whole foreplay requirement is a conspiracy Smile

Tool of the Fed wrote:

I was told that I was lucky the dr was there already so I didn"t have to wait to be screwed.

so the whole foreplay requirement is a conspiracy

You'd expect a remark like that from a guy named "Tool".....

Talked to an elderly gentleman in Hemet awhile back on a late spring day. He literally cried about the heat and wished he lived on the coast

I had a co-worker who bought an investment rental house there (right before the bubble started). I hope he sold while the selling was good.

My father just got back from a 'business' trip to Afghanistan a few weeks ago

Maybe arms dealer

Mark Pittman was the Bloomberg reporter who led the charge and filed the original FOIA suit.

Cleaning up the file?

My father just got back from a 'business' trip to Afghanistan a few weeks ago

You are wondering why your electronics are weird?????????

vote or you too shall be screwed

Cinco-X wrote:

In Canada you might have had to stand in line for a screwing-

Oh come on now Cinco, we're not so cruel as to make people with broken legs stand in line.

There are wooden benches to sit on.

solohedger wrote:

Mark Pittman was the Bloomberg reporter who led the charge and filed the original FOIA suit. He died suddenly and unexpectedly on Nov. 25, 2009.

Unexpectedly? I'm not sure that word means what you think it means.
Tinfoil Hat

scone wrote:
All the hierarchical infighting and ritual peacemaking is who we are as great apes, smart and argumentative by nature. It has worked for us, we're at the top of the pyramid herding the herd animals-- we value power and success more than peace.

"And injustice for all"

dryfly wrote:

Unexpectedly? I'm not sure that word means what you think it means.

Death is always unexpected, so the fact that they felt the need to include the word 'unexpected' means that it actually was expected.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9894/foilhut01.jpg

Outsider wrote:

Makes you think - if nature can do it, why can't we?

Because they are completely domesticated and bred to be docile, easy to neuter, fatten and later led to slaughter. Now that I think about it - that does sound a bit like people.

Lobbyist Ben Dover wrote:
Are the screws made in China?
Yes, along with the screwdriver. But at least we came up with the idea.

come on guys, isn't everything unexpected at Bloomberg ?

lawyerliz wrote:

vote AND you too shall be screwed

Fixed It For Ya ... before somebody else does it for ya.

I admit, it did flit across my consciousness that people are sometimes murdered for a lot less than billions, much less a threat to the continued existence of TBTF institutions.

There are wooden benches to sit on.

And wooden legs when gangrene sets in b/c they never got to you.

dryfly wrote:

noob - that photo is the BEST.

Even though I don't speak a word of it, I've found a few russian sites that have the most fantastic image montages that I browse through when I'm stuck on an endless conference call. I have the mute the call because sometimes I'm laughing so hard I can't see the screen.

They're also often inappropriate, so I'm pretty sure that I'll get fired one of these days if our IT people ever decided to monitor my Internet usage.

March has been an interesting month, read/watched about a shipping conference on joc.com
lot of major shipping rates will have tripled in less than a year. we often talk about squatter stimulus, but how about the one in the shipping sector. transportation costs are incredibly powerful in determining the extensive margins of trade. The next set of new contracts should be coming into effect for June. Major factor in securing higher rates has been a lack of coordination. Orders came in late, everyone wants to ship at the same time, and they can get their hoping-for prices.
The story is interesting, but nothing new really. What has stuck with me is viewing all these supply-chain relationships, those who were weak before are asserting themselves to regain their share of end-profits. Manic depression. Even with the Chinese migrant workers staying closer to home in newer inland factories (part of a 2008 incentive plan to set them up there) after being screwed over last time on the coast are a part of the unhealthy instability
Lots of strike action.
Saw a bit about British Pensioners having their pensions frozen from the date they left the UK so with the fall of the pound and general inflation, they live off their kids / subsidized housing / welfare of the country they're in. If they don't have family to look after them, apparently it makes sense to move back to the UK
China. There is so much to say from their impact on neighbouring countries, to domestic affairs, to influence on commodities markets... but I will say this in response to something I think I saw on CR before about China's house prices reaching a permanently high plateau / high down payments / projected demand / ignore the vacant units / ignore the negative interest rate mortgages / ignore the 3rd mortgages / ignore the supplementary unofficial banking network / ignore the SOEs who invest directly in RE because they have to take out loans but have no need for them / ignore the golden triangle (bank/govt/soe) + organized crime/fraud/embezzlement / ignore the Insurance companies who can since Nov invest in RE / ignore the trillions of Yuan invested at negative rates of return
see the following article: 129 different SOEs that have no business in hoteling that have hotels
think about what that means
SOEs Ordered to Check Out of Hotel Sector_English_Caixin

noob goldberg wrote:

There are wooden benches to sit on.

Duh - wooden, what else you gonna do with all that stuff now that we're not makin' minimcmansions any more?

Bubblisimo Gerkinov wrote:

OMG! How'd you get a camera in here?!?!?!?!?

I used your own webcam against you. Those pictures of Barney Frank in compromising positions that I keep sending you?

Everytime you open them, I get to snap 2 pictures of your tinfoilhut. I'm in the thousands, and it's flooding my inbox.

It's instructive how animals behave under stress. Cows stampede, even trampling each other underfoot. Apes riot and murder each other.

noob goldberg wrote:

They're also often inappropriate, so I'm pretty sure that I'll get fired one of these days if our IT people ever decided to monitor my Internet usage.

It's ok ... your IT person is this guy;

YouTube - The Office - The IT Guy, Tim, and Gareth

Have a daughter who broke her arm while at school. The good doc wanted to immediately operate and put in plates and screws while offering a poor prognosis .I flew into town, got a second opinion from another prestigious doctor/surgeon. Turns out the first doc read the x-rays and catscan wrong. He screamed and hollered when my daughter cancelled the appointment for surgery She had a cast applied w/o surgery and healed perfectly with full range of motion in the elbow joint.

noob goldberg wrote:

Everytime you open them, I get to snap 2 pictures of your tinfoilhut. I'm in the thousands, and it's flooding my inbox.

Hit's self destr...

Bond Bid-Riggers Deserve Overdue Jail-Cell Justice: Joe Mysak - Bloomberg.com

March 19 (Bloomberg) -- Prison terms will do what years of good intentions, new rules and cash fines have not: clean up the municipal bond market.

THAT's what I'm sayin'
Wink

t r orwell wrote:

Have a daughter who broke her arm while at school. The good doc wanted to immediately operate and put in plates and screws while offering a poor prognosis .I flew into town, got a second opinion from another prestigious doctor/surgeon. Turns out the first doc read the x-rays and catscan wrong. He screamed and hollered when my daughter cancelled the appointment for surgery She had a cast applied w/o surgery and healed perfectly with full range of motion in the elbow joint.

My best doctor story was when in college I broke my collar bone playing rugby - bad break. Doctor asked if I had insurance and I said no. He just went.... Hmmmm. Well I guess we won't do surgery then will we. My collar bone has a big s-bend in it to this day.

Where'd all the money go today? everything is red (except the price of 30yr treasury, and that is barely up).

noob goldberg wrote:

Death is always unexpected, so the fact that they felt the need to include the word 'unexpected' means that it actually was expected.

the telegraM
cAme
i Read it.
death we expeCt,
but all wE get
is Life.

--John Cage
"36 Mesotics Re and Not Re Marcel Duchamp"

Outsider wrote:

BTW, I'm looking for a new new world. Anyone know of any nice places that are as of yet undiscovered and brimming with natural resources? Preferably with desiduous trees.

I've been on Kauai for a few weeks, and decided that though it's not undiscovered, it could use some work, and has lots of natural resources, I think...

Get this: in 1778, when Capt Cook arrived, there were between 250k and 800k people, without metal, who were able to feed themselves. Now, there are something like 1.3m people in the state, and they import 90% of the food they eat. So the islands are feeding 130k people, despite the introduction of such technological advances as metal.

Despite the fact that most of the residents here are very poor, lots of food stamps, welfare, etc, they keep shutting down the sugar plantations here on Kauai (I believe they shut down the last one on the island in the last year or two) because they can't afford to farm it. Now it seems that most of the land is lying fallow, but at least the Spam is still arriving by the containerload.

The politicization of economic problems - Credit Writedowns

Posted by Edward Harrison on 18 March 2010 at 4:41 pm

In late 2007 the global economy began to stumble, slipping into the abyss of a deep recession and financial panic. We are only now recovering from this stumble, in large part due to an unprecedented level of fiscal and monetary stimulus. Yet, no sooner is daylight within reach, we start attacking each other, tearing each other down.

The two starkest battle lines being drawn are between the Greeks and the Germans and the Chinese and the Americans.

Last month, there was enough clear headedness that I could post a parody of the madness that has overtaken Europe in Video: The Germans take on the Greeks. But, no more. It is clear, the political nerves are frayed. You’ve got ‘Italy’s worse, and the Germans stole our gold’ and German Leader Says Euro Zone Should Consider Expelling Countries That Threaten Regional Stability. That pretty much sums the battle lines up.

On the Chinese – US front, I have been warning for some time that protectionist rhetoric has a slippery way of turning into trade war reality. Some people seem to think the U.S. isn’t risking a trade war, and that ‘the Chinese started this anyway’ or something to that effect. In any event, the feeling is the Chinese will take it on the chin while the US will get off relatively unscathed – if it actually does come to a tit-for-tat trade war. But is that really true? A trade war transfers wealth from domestic consumers to the protected producers and decreases consumption demand. Lest we forget, the US banking system is hiding hundreds of billions in toxic assets in loan-to-maturity, level three and off balance sheet asset pools. The US is hardly a bastion of economic strength.

Yalt wrote:

"36 Mesotics Re and Not Re Marcel Duchamp"

It is indeed important to not be paralysed by fear and to instead keep living, no matter what we think the final outcome to be Smile

As an aside, it looks like the dow just fell off a cliff.

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