Is it possible that everything has been said on CR, and that we are now all just moving out in silence to pick up the pieces?

1997 levels.

A 13 year retracement. Hard to see how everything is supposed to become Wheres MY pony? and Green Shoots any time soon.

Good morning, Dooooooooooooooom!!!ERS Lets take a coffee break

I thought there would be more talk of the AIG/FRE/FNM surge from yesterday. SEC denies rumor of the short selling restrictions. Can anyone add any color?

Very sobering. 1997, very slow movement and no end in sight.

today, like most mornings, i wish i could go back to 1997.

Good news in New York! Our brilliant leaders have decided to borrow our way out of our budget problems! Standard and Poor says we are a good credit risk, what could go wrong?

Regardless, analysts say New York, like many states, is considered a good risk for repayment. "It's a state that has a huge resource base," said David Hitchcock, a bond analyst with Standard & Poor's rating service. "It has a strong capacity to repay."

Read more: State bond to fill gap? -- Page 2 -- Times Union - Albany NY

Greetings from the purple mountains majesty, across from the fruited plain...

GM JD. Lets take a coffee break Is that "fruited" or "fetid"?

Bank of America to End Overdraft Fees on Debit Purchases - NY Times

What's the catch? Or are they just playing nice, until the bankers as a villain meme blows over, in the hopes that Warren's consumer protection agency loses momentum?

FRONTLINE: the card game: watch the full program | PBS

today, like most mornings, i wish i could go back to 1997.

And know what I know now....yes I would give my left arm for that....literally

Anyhow question for those with more knowledge on the subject, I found a really nice home on Realtor.com that I am very interested in, it has been listed for 222 days, and the price does seem a very high, $300,000 but I know it must have come down seeing 222 days, so who do I really talk to about this? the bank the Realtor?

Been out of the housing buying loop for 20 years, and I know things have changed dramatically obviously so any input is much appreciated.

Pigged

nova wrote:

Imagine, for example, a small town. Tax revenue drops enough that police and fire are cut severely. UE is very high. Unemployment benefits run out. Part of the town is right wing Christian. A smaller part is Green, non believers, who embrace different values. What could happen?

I've gone from being surrounded by over 10 million in the Big Smoke to a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of that number in really small town America, so small that we are unincorporated and have no services aside from county fire dept and a lone sheriff that if he isn't in town when you call for help means it's gonna be an hour before he gets here, and because of our lilliputian status, Corporate America hardly exists here, a motel and a few gas stations with names everybody would know, and that's it. The Central Valley leans hard right, as it's California's bible-belt, and our little burb has plenty of liberals, a caustic mix you might think, but there's no strife here as everybody loves where they live...

...go find yourself a little piece of America to escape to, it's not an easy task but i'll assure you there are a good many little towns in your state that are just like mine

Why Me wrote:

Can anyone add any color?

MACBETH:
Then live, Macduff. What need I fear of thee?
But yet I'll make assurance double sure,
And take a bond of fate: thou shalt not live,
That I may tell pale-hearted fear it lies,
And sleep in spite of thunder. Thunder. Third Apparition; a Child Crowned, with a tree in his hand.(95)
What is this,
That rises like the issue of a king,
And wears upon his baby brow the round
And top of sovereignty?

Macbeth | Act IV, Scene I

sporkfed wrote:

YouTube - 1976 kate smith anthem God bless America

When I was a little kid in the early 50's my dad took me to see her show at the RCA studios in NYC. I watched and heard her sing God Bless America. I thought it was neat. Maybe that's why I have the "hots" for Anne Sofie von Otter.

GM Lets take a coffee break Bosch,

He's outed himself, so definitely "fruited"

...go find yourself a little piece of America to escape to, it's not an easy task but i'll assure you there are a good many little towns in your state that are just like mine

What skill set do you, JD, bring to your immediate enclave presuming The Collapse?
I'm nor trying to be contentious with you.

But I don't see a great need in a small locality for HR managers or Portfolio Consultants. Short of making a life-changing decision of pulling up roots and making a new long-term plan and life, there don't seem to be too many prospects for the preponderance of the population as it's organized now.

I found a really nice home on Realtor.com that I am very interested in, it has been listed for 222 days, and the price does seem a very high, $300,000 but I know it must have come down seeing 222 days, so who do I really talk to about this? the bank the Realtor?

If you can find a good real estate agent (a big if), they can pull reports to show what the original listing price was and any subsequent reductions. I don't see why you would talk to the bank if it is just on the market and not a foreclosure. Plenty of houses have been on the market for that long.

Ocean Policy Task Force: Interim Framework for Effective Coastal and Marine Spatial Planning | The White House

The Obama administration will accept no more public input for a federal strategy that could prohibit U.S. citizens from fishing the nation’s oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even inland waters.

Public input period for federal fishery strategy has ended - ESPN 

Morlock fears that "what we're seeing coming at us is an attempted dismantling of the science-based fish and wildlife model that has served us so well. There's no basis in science for the agendas of these groups who are trying to push the public out of being able to fish and recreate.

"Conflicts (user) are overstated and problems are manufactured. It's all just an excuse to put us off the water."

During the potato famine, the english made it illegal for the irish to fish in the ocean even though they were all starving. Its nice to see these time tested ideas coming back.

shill wrote:

Anyhow question for those with more knowledge on the subject, I found a really nice home on Realtor.com that I am very interested in, it has been listed for 222 days, and the price does seem a very high, $300,000 but I know it must have come down seeing 222 days, so who do I really talk to about this? the bank the Realtor?

Would you Mail me the MLS# ? I'd like to take a look at it....

Morning, and Oh Happy Day, It's flip flop weather in my part of Merica today. Just believe spring has sprung and tuplips are about to bloom. Smile

Good morning, Cinco. Lets take a coffee break

After that damned Pelosi clip, you have to ask yourself if it's way past time to impeach the entire Congress. (After 20 years of this farce, you have to admit it's a cross-aisle problem.)

And declare the entire lobbying industry "enemy combatants" and go right to imprisonment. We can do the trial thingy later.

I arbitraged the past 2500 years of history for about 30 years...

There is obviously going to be much uneasiness in the Big Smokes and who knows what else, and my thinking is not really aimed at those still in the process of making a living, but we the living that want to avoid the really big show and watch from the sidelines instead.

Nanoo-Nanoo wrote:

Tasty munis..oh yes indeed.

For most direct muni holders it's a Nothingburger; you just have to do your homework and not be too much of a yield pig. At the start of the meltdown I unloaded any munis in Michigan, Ohio and selected Florida bonds(kept school and water, ditched the rest.)

As most hold munis to term or call, the only concern is a lack of interest payments. If they tank(especially hospital financing bonds) and go below par I'll be buying with both hands.

Anonymous Bosch wrote:

Good morning, Cinco. Lets take a coffee break
After that damned Pelosi clip, you have to ask yourself if it's way past time to impeach the entire Congress. (After 20 years of this farce, you have to admit it's a cross-aisle problem.)
And declare the entire lobbying industry "enemy combatants" and go right to imprisonment. We can do the trial thingy later.

I feel no need to ask.......the answer has been obvious for decades. Real honest to glod term limits are needed. If they won't accept them on their own, the need to be enforced by the electorate.

anonymous bosch
that sounds like a winner both congress and lobby industry but why not declare the critters e.c too and then we could do the trial thingie when we can afford it?

gabyjan wrote:

that sounds like a winner both congress and lobby industry but why not declare the critters e.c too and then we could do the trial thingie when we can afford it?

If those clowns keep up the way they have been going, then we may end up skipping the trials and going for summary judgment.

"German exports fell unexpectedly in January, with the cold weather that month being seen as the main cause."

I know it's early, but "unexpectedly" has to be in the running for Word of the Year.

Although I haven't seen the Pelosi clip, there is another side of the argument. There has been no meaningful change in health care legislation in 40 years, so any legislation may be a good place to start. When the American people get the bill, the will probably demand a lot more accountability the way health care is paid for including paying 30% margins to insurers who are exempt fro colluding and competing on price, for instance.

See: How the Senate bill would contain the cost of health care : The New Yorker

Comrade Alexei Mikhailovich wrote:

At the start of the meltdown I unloaded any munis in Michigan, Ohio and selected Florida bonds(kept school and water, ditched the rest.)

I need to find some park bonds on the cheap that are likely to default. Then you're all invited to climb my granite dome anytime you want to.

I feel no need to ask...

Me neither, but I felt it incumbent on me to maintain a sheen of impartiality, or else I'd simply be Rant Pitchforks and Torches Rant Pitchforks and Torches Rant Pitchforks and Torches Rant Pitchforks and Torches Rant Pitchforks and Torches

with no questions left to ask.

Ahha! Unexsnowpedly rears its merry head again!

12th Percentile wrote:

During the potato famine, the english made it illegal for the irish to fish in the ocean even though they were all starving. Its nice to see these time tested ideas coming back.

[citation needed]

While the English did place horrible legal restrictions on the Irish I can find no documentation of a law to prevent fishing until after the end of the famine.

Enjoy your days of Dooooooooooooooom!!! for they are numbered:

FROM: Technical Analysis Morning Trader: stock picks, scans and ideas for day trading and short-term trading using technical analysis.

Options on federal fund futures contracts are frequently used to analyze the market’s expectations of monetary policy actions by the Federal Reserve. The Cleveland Fed publishes this information on a daily basis but their charts only go out to June. For expectations that extend further, traders usually turn to the Fed fund futures. According to futures contracts, the market is pricing in a 28 percent chance of a 25bp rate hike in August and a 42.3 percent chance that the rate hike will come in September. By the end of the year, there is a 68 percent chance that rates will reach 0.75 percent. Considering that one week ago, there was only a 16.3 percent chance of a quarter point hike in August expectations have increased significantly following the payrolls report. With these probabilities in mind, traders need to realize that most people only expect one and in the best case two 25bp rate hikes from the Federal Reserve this year. In other words, there is a very strong chance that interest rates will remain below 1 percent come January 2011.

shill wrote:

Cinco you got Mail

That's a lot of house, but quite a bit of money too. Do you still have kids at home? Is the house near where you work/play? If you really want to go for it, I'd suggest you "low ball" them. However, with the Spring selling season coming up, they'll probably want to wait and see if they get better offers. Good luck-

I need to find some park bonds on the cheap that are likely to default.

Then buy CDS (or whatever it is) protection, talk some $hit about the parks and you're in the big money?

...put the trout down nice and easy and hands up high where I can see em', no funny business

My Realtor keeps mentioning about some home buyer credit that's about to expire. ...

REBear wrote:

My Realtor keeps mentioning about some home buyer credit that's about to expire.

Ya'; and several interested parties are also looking at the house you're interested in. Maybe you should wait till the credit expires and prices drop by ~8k?

If you can find a good real estate agent (a big if), they can pull reports to show what the original listing price was and any subsequent reductions.

To build on what 12% said ... if you're serious about buying, you might as well do the due diligence and get yourself a good buyer's agent. It's not true that they're "paid by the seller", as they'll all say to you, but good luck getting a seller (and his realtor) to agree to drop their price by an additional 3% just because you don't have one.

FYI, if you do retain one, just make sure that whatever you sign binds you not to 3% of the sales price but to 50% of the sellers' commission. Fewer and fewer sellers are paying the full 6% these days, and you don't want to find yourself on the hook for the difference to your agent. We're in the process of buying ourselves, and I crossed that line out and re-wrote it right in front of our agent - she didn't even flinch.

That's a lot of house, but quite a bit of money too. Do you still have kids at home? Is the house near where you work/play? If you really want to go for it, I'd suggest you "low ball" them. However, with the Spring selling season coming up, they'll probably want to wait and see if they get better offers. Good luck-

Yes I have teenagers still at home, as well as a mother in law, as far as work travel time it adds another 15 minutes to my commute. Yes I hate the price Smile thanks for looking cinco.

Maury the Credit Responsibility Panda wrote:

I need to find some park bonds on the cheap that are likely to default.

Or you could follow China and buy Treasuries and end up with your own interstate highway toll road system...

shill wrote:

thanks for looking cinco.

NP-

TraderWalt wrote: When the American people get the bill, the[y] will probably demand a lot more accountability the way health care is paid for including paying 30% margins to insurers.

I've just had my annual check up. While I was sitting in a Dr's waiting room, I overheard a guy asking the receptionist/billing clerk {not sure of proper title} what would happen if he lost his insurance. The receptionist told him that if he would pay cash in full on the day of service, they would reduce their charges. Oddly enough, the amount of the reduction was exactly 30%.

dum luk wrote:

I've just had my annual check up. While I was sitting in a Dr's waiting room, I overheard a guy asking the receptionist/billing clerk {not sure of proper title} what would happen if he lost his insurance. The receptionist told him that if he would pay cash in full on the day of service, they would reduce their charges. Oddly enough, the amount of the reduction was exactly 30%

Wow...just wow...

traderwalt wrote:

Wow...just wow...

This is news?

Happens in health care, happens at the auto-body shop . . . . . . . .

A friend has been making a living tazing trout in high country lakes in King's Canyon NP for about 5 summers now...

Fish Killer, Qu'est Que C'est

The receptionist told him that if he would pay cash in full on the day of service, they would reduce their charges. Oddly enough, the amount of the reduction was exactly 30%.

How did Greece get to the place where paying cash, bribes, and off the books work became a huge part of the economy? Not because they are shifty, no account, less than upstanding people. It was because the system broke. We will be no different despite our special closeness to Glod and our inate ability to be better than everyone else.

off topic and a heads up
just got off phone with at&t had them put a third party block on my phone line, it seems that nowadays other companies can charge your phone bill all kinds of interesting stuff.under other companies. i had a charge of 19.99 for something called debt toolbox.spoke with them and it will be removed. and it will not happen again.

dum luk wrote:

the amount of the reduction was exactly 30%.

Ever look at your statements from the insurance. I have no doubt they pay less than 50% of what is actually billed either through negotiated rates before copays, or deductibles. The fact that they can't offer that same discount to people willing to pay cash is obscene.

According to my scientificalish perusing of premarket etf trades, Its not easy being green is coming out loaded for Elmo! ... yet again.

Strong the Vampire Squid from Hell in that one is.

just got off phone with at&t had them put a third party block on my phone line, it seems that nowadays other companies can charge your phone bill all kinds of interesting stuff.under other companies. i had a charge of 19.99 for something called debt toolbox.spoke with them and it will be removed. and it will not happen again.

What is this strange "phone line" of which you speak?

I vaguely remember having something I think was called a "landline phone" back in the '90s. Is it related to that? Smile

mook yep it is that,still got one

The Lorax wrote: The fact that they can't offer that same discount to people willing to pay cash is obscene.

No, it's pretend capitalism. Objectively, this is just a big game of "let's pretend our system is capitalism" After all, the propaganda has already been written. It would be a shame to waste it and who wants to spend more money for a rewrite.

So, let's just pretend some more, eh ?

The fact that they can't offer that same discount to people willing to pay cash is obscene.

They can, but they don't want to. At least that's the case in my state (Texas). Cash should yield a better than 50% discount--payment now at nearly the same reimbursement level as insurance but they don't have to waste time on paperwork and hassle with collection from the insur. co.

I can't say I understand medical billing but my bills are insurance paid. They never pay the original billed amount. Some times the reductions are pretty drastic. Madness marketing of some sort.

Totally OT: My linguistic snark of the day. It cracked me up when I thought of it, so I knew it must be pretty good:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100310/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_overhaul

Dog the Balanoplasty Hunter

dum luk is that "pretend" like make believe? as in make believe youre a tree and leave? or make believe you're a ghost and disappear?
or make believe congress is working hard for we,the people?

Cash should yield a better than 50% discount--payment now at nearly the same reimbursement level as insurance but they don't have to waste time on paperwork and hassle with collection from the insur. co.

Fixed costs. They've already hired the staff to process the paperwork, bought the extra computers, paid for the extra phone lines, etc. under the assumption that they'll have to do all that work for every patient they have anyway.

The smaller the practice, the better the discount you ought to be able to negotiate, for largely the same reason.

We pretend to find work after our unemployment benefits run out and they pretend we don't exist.

Question regarding the MBS purchases by the Fed: Is the Fed purchasing "vintage MBS" (anything prior to 2009), or just MBS issued in 2009? Thanks.

gabyjan, I suppose if you chose to live in a place where they are always trying to fool you, you need to accept the possibility that they might just succeed.

/Strong the Vampire Squid from Hell in that one is. /

This is the Rule of Two: one Master and one apprentice. When you are ready to claim the mantle of Dark Lord as your own, you must do so by eliminating me, sayeth Vampire Squid from Hell to Darth Elmo!.

dum luk
trying to fool you is global wide,you just do the best you can.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:
...go find yourself a little piece of America to escape to, it's not an easy task but i'll assure you there are a good many little towns in your state that are just like mine

YouTube - Crossroads - Little Patch Of Heaven (saw these guys live, incredible)

Maury the Credit Responsibility Panda wrote:

Totally OT: My linguistic snark of the day. It cracked me up when I thought of it, so I knew it must be pretty good:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100310/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_overhaul 

Obama using 'bounty hunters' to root out fraud

I hope it's not another way to funnel money to ACORN...

A Banker Comments on the Fed's Plan to Stop Buying Mortgae Backs Securities

The banker emails:

Even though the Fed insists they are going to stop purchasing MBS, I just can't believe they would be willing to see mortgage rates spike and freeze up the housing market, while everyone watches. It runs counter to their interventionist streak. It would be hard to see how the "true" market would support the 30 year mortgage rate at around 5%

OT: Just in time for today's opening bell on the stock exchange, let us pause for a moment of Bubble, Bubble, Toil and Trouble Bubble, Bubble, Toil and Trouble Bubble, Bubble, Toil and Trouble remembrance:

Ten years ago on this very day - March 10, 2000 - the Nasdaq Composite hit its all-time high of 5,132.52 and its all-time closing high of 5,048.62.

Look on the bright side, though: only another 119% left to gain before the Naz gets back to that lofty pinnacle.

I'm breathless with anticipation.

shill
they just cant give up the bottle, they really need to be weaned asap

Lotta short retail stops got wiped out in the first few seconds

Mook wrote:

Look on the bright side, though: only another 119% left to gain before the Naz gets back to that lofty pinnacle.

And I remember sitting there at work, telling a guy who was daytrading Yahoo and Lucent at his desk, that his children would never see 5K again in their lifetimes.

WTF Is This All About? Senior SEC Policy Adviser Warns on Gold

Rick Bookstaber: The Gold Bubble

I am stunned by this commentary in many ways. I didn't know there was an SEC adviser out there commenting on the economy---much less a specific investment. I am stunned he is hinting that the major players are using SEC filings to deceive the average investor.

Anyone of these oddities is enough to sit up and take notice, when they are bunched like this, you really have to wonder what is going on. I don't have the answer, but I am paying very close attention.

Mortgage applications +0.5% seasonally adjusted is noise. Same for average points paid and average rates. Sometimes we get too wrapped up in mining the data for the slightest changes that we forget why we measure. Great rate and terms are generating extremely modest activity in an environment of induced frenzy with the buyers' incentives and a credible expiration date.

CR, is there any data showing the number of mortgages issued as compared to applications? It would be interesting to compare the applications to completions.

shill wrote:

Senior SEC Policy Adviser Warns on Gold

What I always say when I see someone jawboning one side of a trade or another: If he really, really believes this, money where his piehole is and take the other side of that trade.

Good morning everyone.

I recently purchased the Pink Panther cartoon collection. I watched a disc with my children yesterday afternoon. My eldest after a few cartoons stated he didn't like this show. I asked him why, he said it wasn't fair. I said life wasn't fair. He asked me why. Off the top of my head I said it was a mixture of entropy and free will, or the illusion thereof. Being almost 5, he was not happy with that answer but before he could retort, my youngest had scaled the back of the couch and launched himself (very panther like I might add) at his brother. He hit him square in the chest, knocking them both off the couch. We then had a discussion about action vs. reaction being a key element to survival in an unfair world filled with unexpected leaping panthers. I find it funny that he had issues with the Pink Panther, but not Coyote and Road Runner. I've been hoping Coyote would get that bird...but that is another can of worms.

Virginia sucks it up.

"RICHMOND -- Virginia will do less for its residents, and expect local governments and private charities to do more, under a new state budget likely to have an impact for years to come.

With Virginia facing what lawmakers say is the grimmest financial picture in memory, the House of Delegates and Senate adopted budgets last week that would shrink general spending to about $15 billion, or no more than was spent four years ago. In other words, Virginia would spend about the same amount on services as it did when there were 100,000 fewer residents and many fewer were in economic distress."

Va. budget plan would shrink general spending to 2006 levels - washingtonpost.com

So purchase applications are running at 1997 levels. If I had to guess a 30yr mortgage back then was 7.5% to 8.5% as compared to today's rates around 5.25% or so.

ZIRP seems to be here to stay, at least until the inflation genie gets out of its bottle.

This may soothe any bullish urgings you might feel - at least for the short term:

http://www.morpheustrading.com/charts/2010/100310VIX.gif

Maury the Credit Responsibility Panda wrote:

shill wrote:
Senior SEC Policy Adviser Warns on Gold

Sorry guys, I just read the whole post and it seems rather balanced to me. Furthermore, he points out who is talking his book and where gold trades are reported on SEC filings. Could be helpful in determining what investors are actually doing as opposed to what they are saying.

Vonbek777 wrote:

Off the top of my head I said it was a mixture of entropy and free will, or the illusion thereof.

The Panther prevails by virtue of being able to flaunt the rules and in some cases changing the rules. The poor painter is trapped by these rule changes favoring the Panther. A pretty good life analogy IMHO.

Vonbek777 wrote:
I find it funny that he had issues with the Pink Panther, but not Coyote and Road Runner. I've been hoping Coyote would get that bird...but that is another can of worms.
Inevitably, the coyote eventually gets what's coming to him via the laws of physics. Which is very unlike the real world of Vampire Squid from Hell, political pull, privilege and malleable laws.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

We pretend to find work after our unemployment benefits run out and they pretend we don't exist.

I'll pretend I didn't hear that.

Good one Blackhat.
So true. So true.

Traderwalt good read indeed.

Whiskey wrote:
Juvenal Delinquent wrote:
We pretend to find work after our unemployment benefits run out and they pretend we don't exist.
I'll pretend I didn't hear that.

Our future courtesy of Sao Paolo, via a circa 2000 article in the Times:
Sao Paulo Journal; Rich Brazilians Rise Above Rush-Hour Jams - NY Times

"Illustrating what may be a Blade Runner-esque glimpse of the future in metropolises where rich and poor are crammed together, helicopters are the vehicle of choice for more than just their convenience. Many of the roads here are hopelessly clogged with traffic. Carjackings, kidnappings of executives and roadside robberies have become a part of the risks of daily life for anyone perceived to have money."

"The most affordable and best-selling helicopter in Brazil is the Robinson R44, which can comfortably seat three or four people. It costs about $380,000, or roughly 90 times the average annual income of a Sao Paulo resident"

"James Thurston Lynch, a former banker at Chase Manhattan, understands this well. Mr. Lynch, a Brazilian who now has his own investment firm, plans to buy 100 helicopters for a part ownership program similar to the system that people use to share private jets in the United States."

Its a chopper, baby Its a chopper, baby Its a chopper, baby

And I remember sitting there at work, telling a guy who was daytrading Yahoo and Lucent at his desk, that his children would never see 5K again in their lifetimes.

But ... but ... sure, it's taken a decade, but we've doubled off the bottom and we're more than halfway back to the peak.

Surely that portends positive things for the Nasdaq, doesn't it? 

I reread the Chung Kuo series recently...it was more scary this time around.

dum luk wrote:

This may soothe any bullish urgings you might feel - at least for the short term:

Eh, until is gets back to close to single digits, it's not low.

Roberts decision was very troubling. Being a corporate whore I'm sure he doesn't "get" that. He might check the polls and see how popular his "decision" was. He might also watch his back when Pitchforks and Torches time comes around.

Eric wrote: Eh, until is gets back to close to single digits, it's not low.

I don't see no single digits in January - that's all I was saying - compared to this past January.

While the English did place horrible legal restrictions on the Irish I can find no documentation of a law to prevent fishing until after the end of the famine.

I'm certainly not an expert on the laws back then. I read it in the book Trinity. I assumed that guy did his research. I'm quite sure I remember it correctly because i was so pissed off when i read it. Guys were sneaking out at night in small boats to catch what they could to feed their starving families. I don't see why this should be surprise. The english had no problem letting the irish starve.

Seem like mortgage decent rates. Will they rise dramatically when purchases of MBS stop? Will they be kept low by low demand for mortgages?

......................10 year..................15 year .................20 year...................30 year
Points..............1.............0............1.............0............1..............0............1.............0
Interest Rate....4.13%......4.25%......4.25%......4.50%......4.75%......4.88%......5.00%......5.25%
APR.................4.37%......4.28%......4.42%......4.52%......4.89%......4.89%......5.10%......5.26%
Payment/$1k....$10.19......$10.25.....$7.52.......$7.65.......$6.46.......$6.53 .......$5.37......$5.53

the price does seem a very high, $300,000 but I know it must have come down seeing 222 days, so who do I really talk to about this? the bank the Realtor?

A lot depends upon where you live. Generally, a buyer-side realtor will tell you the asking price history of the property, information that is typically only available on the non-public facing MLS. If you are lucky, ZipRealty.com will scrape it for you, but it won't show you that information if the listing agent pulled the listing and re-listed before that 222 days. Most MLS have historical data, so a realtor who is good at navigating the local MLS will be able to tell you if the property was re-listed before that 222 days.

A good source of data that most (in fact, none I have ever retained) realtors ignore showing potential retail buyers is legal documents filed on the property down at the county clerk's office. In here, you will find how big a mortgage the current owner carries (if any) on the property, when it was taken out, and if there are any liens on the property. If the mortgage paperwork shows $300K for example, you will some ideas why the asking price is around that range.

These days while I'm searching (actually waiting, I want to see what happens to pricing after the price support programs end later this year), I don't use a realtor since I know the areas better than most of them do anyways, and I always collect far more comprehensive data on a property of interest than a realtor. Our state uses a standardized set of residential real estate forms, so I retain an attorney if the seller wants any extensive customization of the forms. I paid one buyer side agent to make some recommendations on title company, inspector, and mortgage broker, found an appraiser on my own, and after that I didn't see the point to using a realtor. So I take an automatic 3% off any listing price, and let the listing agent know we're expecting that 3% to go to us in the form of a price discount.

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