Right now the Fed's Yellen... in a few months it will be the citizenry Pitchforks and Torches

Anyone know where to find video of Ben speaking? Nobody seems to be covering it..

Yellen is jellin' like a felon.

Listening to the bay area CBS radio news station yesterday whilst on the road, they were really pushing this story for California to allow kids to graduate after 10th grade, so they can go to college sooner, instead of hanging around for 2 more years in high school.

...but they said nothing of what becomes of the kids that don't go to college

Rob Dawg (homepage, profile) wrote (in reply to...) on Mon, 2/22/2010 - 12:17 pm

There's the difference! Thank you. A single piercing light that illuminates the darkness. Krugman advocates counter-cyclical spending whereas I advocate counter-cyclical saving.

There was a time when heretics were burned at the stake.......

OT:

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Bank of America Corp on Monday won approval of a $150 million settlement with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission over the Merrill Lynch & Co merger, ending an embarrassing public battle between the largest U.S. bank and the nation's top securities regulator.

U.S. District Judge Jed Rakoff on Monday approved the settlement but also lamented its deficiencies, calling it "half-baked justice at best."

snip/
"Its greatest defect is that it advocates very modest punitive, compensatory and remedial measures that are neither directed at the specific individuals responsible for the nondisclosures nor appear likely to have more than a very modest impact on corporate practices or victim compensation," Rakoff wrote. "While better than nothing, this is half-baked justice at best."

Judge OKs SEC/Bank of America $150 million accord
| Reuters

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

but they said nothing of what becomes of the kids that don't go to college

Listening to what's not said can be bad for your mental health, JD.

I think they were talking about the Cannabis College in Oakland, JD.
Currently Smoking Cannibis

broward wrote:

Listening to what's not said can be bad for your mental health, JD.

Funny how that works. It is like thinking causes unwonted pain.

It is like thinking causes unYUANted pain.

Fixed It For Ya

So in a nutshell: jobs suck, housing sucks, inventory adjustments are going to suck real soon, but confidence is high (because of previously mentioned suckiness), so it's all good. Smile

Cinco-X wrote:

Rob Dawg (homepage, profile) wrote (in reply to...) on Mon, 2/22/2010 - 12:17 pm

There's the difference! Thank you. A single piercing light that illuminates the darkness. Krugman advocates counter-cyclical spending whereas I advocate counter-cyclical saving.

There was a time when heretics were burned at the stake.......

There will come a time again when heretics are burned at the stake.......
Fixed It For Ya

Back on topic:

Yellen doesn't make the case for why unemployment will decrease 2 percent. That's +270k/mo from here to year end and +350k/mo in 2011. Not.

Yellen says I should warn that there is a great deal of uncertainty surrounding this forecast.

Brilliant!.... now got anything more Got Concrete? to say Big smile

California to allow kids to graduate after 10th grade, so they can go to college sooner, instead of hanging around for 2 more years in high school.

...but they said nothing of what becomes of the kids that don't go to college

I went to a relatively high-end high school, and I left a year early. It's pretty clear that the top quintile - at least where I was - would have had no trouble at all with entry level university courses at that point. Of course, when I was at university, there was a whole lot of remedial level stuff going on.

Moving grade 11 and 12 in to local community colleges seems like it would be a solid idea for the students. Since, AFAICT the vocational programs at community colleges are very good, and people could then have a 2 year degree.

That said, getting people into the labor force sooner, means more unemployment, and less debt. Which, according to the prevailing economic theories, is apparently not so good.

Yellen doesn't make the case for why unemployment will decrease 2 percent. That's +270k/mo from here to year end and +350k/mo in 2011. Not.

Because the Wheres MY pony? The Red Pill The Blue Pill The Purple Pill said so Dawg....

Rob Dawg wrote:

That's +270k/mo from here to year end and +350k/mo in 2011.

You can also get there by reducing the workforce. Maybe she sees a 20% increase in disgruntlement among the unemployed.

So I'm supposed to pay taxes in order to fund public education for 4 years of high school and now they only want to provide 1/2 the service (2 years)?
Kool-Aid My Head Just Exploded

NateTG wrote:

Moving grade 11 and 12 in to local community colleges seems like it would be a solid idea for the students. Since, AFAICT the vocational programs at community colleges are very good, and people could then have a 2 year degree.

In many HS', Senior year is wasted anyway. Students should be more productive if they're paying for it out of their own pockets...

Rob Dawg wrote:

Yellen doesn't make the case for why unemployment will decrease 2 percent

Gad, another guy listening to what's not said.

We need some legislation here.

Uncle Ar wrote:

So in a nutshell: jobs suck, housing sucks, inventory adjustments are going to suck real soon, but confidence is high

We are confident that it sucks to be us! Sick

yagij wrote:

We are confident that it sucks to be us!

Better being us than Greece.

They came for the junior and the senior years but I didn't care

...and then they came for the freshman and sophomore years but I didn't care

Is how we end up with 3rd world educated kids

Yalt wrote:

a 20% increase in disgruntlement among the unemployed.

go long CESSNA.

Cinco-X wrote:

Better being us than Greece.

You're safer when you queue from behind in USA for gov't assistance?

OT: Gold. Today's smack down is notable. The nation states must at alllllllllllllllllllllllll costs protect the acceptance of their fiat. Irregardless of the their abuse of fiat as a store of value and the real consequences to their constituents, they will attempt to savage gold's price whenever and wherever they see an opportunity.

The failure of the 80's gold dump by the West via the IMF to hold price for more than the 10 years it was successful in doing so, IMO is this generation's severe and permanent injury to fiat.

But that will not stop raids, loans, backings, jawboning, and soon enough outspoken derision of gold.

With no protection of the masses against their nation state ruling parties, the desire to rescue themselves via self-help remains a constant.

Gold will double, without a doubt in my mind, even if there were the largest attack against gold in world history (though larger than the last IMF attempt is unimaginable to me).

The logic irrationality on the part of government is way too easy and self ratifying.

There's no question in my mind that a position of one's assets, now 40% in gold is rational and wise while we watch the world of today.

thats it yagij "we are confident that it sucks to be us" you got it.

Yes, a law with a catchy title like "Freedom Facts"...
and flag lapel pins; lots of flag lapel pins.
They are the mark of a true patriot.
and eagles we're going to need some eagles...

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Is how we end up with 3rd world educated kids

Actually, I believe that's the result of using public school for indoctrination instead of study that causes that-

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Is how we end up with 3rd world educated kids

In all seriousness, I think our institutional process for developing these children's minds needs to be changed, but I'd have to be seriously retarded (w/ apologies to Ms. Palin) to think that the same people who run the current institution will be able to change it for the better.
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I'm with HomeGnome that unless the taxes for schools are cut from 25-50% because of the changes to 11th and 12th grade, then I see nothing but FAIL.

Still think we should have taken Ben Franklin's advice...the turkey as the national bird at this point, would have been cathartic.

"So I'm supposed to pay taxes in order to fund public education for 4 years of high school and now they only want to provide 1/2 the service (2 years)?"

gnome, you need to concentrate on quality over quantity. If we had after school cramming sessions we could follow the Asian model and get them out of school by the end of grade 7 and into the salt mines earlier.

Think of the boost to corporate profts!!

Washington State has a program called Running Start which allows students who pass a basic test to attend the first two years of community college/state university at no cost to them (the state per student stipend is transferred to the college) instead of their local high school. It has also had the effect of keeping some kids in school who are not traditional "college material" by allowing them to attend voc ed schools preparing them to enter the job market or apprenticeship programs at graduation.
Running Start

poic wrote:

Think of the boost to corporate profts!!

Corporations need paper derivatives, not workers. Where are you from? Puzzled

yagij wrote:

You're save when you queue from behind in USA for gov't assistance?

Are you saying you're safer in the US when the line forms behind you? If so, then your statement is true. However, that's a micro-economic issue, whereas I was referring to the macro-economic issues facing Greece...
Hey! You're the one that forgot the Snark tag this time Wink

Rob Dawg wrote:

Yellen doesn't make the case for why unemployment will decrease 2 percent. That's +270k/mo from here to year end and +350k/mo in 2011. Not.

Dawg, one word: denominator.

Cinco-X wrote:

If so, then your statement is true.

Motto of the Grecian Army: Never leave your buddy's behind.

Slumdog wrote:

Gold will double

I'm assuming when it goes from $250 to $500, you'll claim victory.

"I may be wrong for a thousand points......"

"According to one study, only half of the high school students in the nation's 50 largest cities are graduating in four years, with a figure as low as 25% in Detroit. And while concern over dropouts isn't new, the problem now has officials outside of public education worried enough to get directly involved."

The High School Dropout's Economic Ripple Effect - WSJ.com

---50% is an EPIC FAIL!

HomeGnome wrote:
Yes, a law with a catchy title like "Freedom Facts"...
"Freedom Facts" are all we've gotten since 2001, and our educational curricula are also full of them... They used to be called propaganda.

TransUnion: Surprising increase in souring mortgages | Money & Company | Los Angeles Times

  • You just gotta love the continued use of the words, "Surprising", "Unexpected", etc. I've taken to laughing when I see a sentence related to the economy that starts with those words! Laughing out loud

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Go long hyperbole

Don't let yourself get slumdogged, JD. You're above it all.

I'm with HomeGnome that unless the taxes for schools are cut from 25-50% because of the changes to 11th and 12th grade, then I see nothing but FAIL.

In a sense, that's part of the problem - public education is a TBTF institution. Piles of money, lots of influence peddling, and ... won't anyone please think of the children?

Vonbek777 wrote:
Still think we should have taken Ben Franklin's advice...the turkey as the national bird at this point, would have been cathartic.
I vote for the goose -- a perfect example of pay-as-you-go Laughing out loud

"poic wrote:
Think of the boost to corporate profts!!
Corporations need paper derivatives, not workers. Where are you from?
"

well we need someone to run the paper mills for the base goods. What better then 12 year olds. Get them in there at the bottom of the pyramid when they're young and maleable.

I'm thinking we could also teach them a revamped religion.

How god created Jamie and Lloyd to run our world and do gods work.
And on the 6th day he created paper derivatives.
On the 7th day he rested and all was good.

yagij
used to be schools stopped at grade 11,at least in nc think they added 12th grade to keep kids in school because of the first depression, not sure about that.

I vote for the goose -- a perfect example of pay-as-you-go.

You sure you don't want a golden goose? Everyone stuck together, one following the other, no control over where it ends up.

tncubsfan wrote:

TransUnion: Surprising increase in souring mortgages | Money & Company | Los Angeles Times
You just gotta love the continued use of the words, "Surprising", "Unexpected", etc. I've taken to laughing when I see a sentence related to the economy that starts with those words!

Fnords
Fnord - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 

Welcome to the Icarus Economy with Janet Yellen in the guest role of Daedalus.

Them song: YouTube - Greatest American Hero Intro

Look at what's happened to me,
I can't believe it myself.
Suddenly I'm up on top of the world,
It should've been somebody else.

Believe it or not,
I'm walking on air.
I never thought I could feel so free-.
Flying away on a wing and a prayer.
Who could it be?
Believe it or not it's just me.

It's like a light of a new day-,
It came from out of the blue.
Breaking me out of the spell I was in,
Making all of my wishes come true-.

Believe it or not,
I'm walking on air.
I never thought I could feel so free-.
Flying away on a wing and a prayer.
Who could it be?
Believe it or not it's just me.

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

I vote for the goose -- a perfect example of pay-as-you-go

Ever heard the term, "Like $h!t through a goose"? Our tax dollars are already going like that!

NateTG wrote:
... won't anyone please think of the children?
Someone did think of them... as dinner (or political leverage in more PC terms). Along with the sick, the needy and the old.

Vonbek777 wrote:
Still think we should have taken Ben Franklin's advice...the turkey as the national bird at this point, would have been cathartic.

I vote for the goose -- a perfect example of pay-as-you-go

  • I vote for the Black Swan! Laughing out loud

NateTG wrote:

won't anyone please think of the children?

I thought that was illegal.

NateTG wrote:

... won't anyone please think of the children?

I'm tired of children being used a Human Political Shields. My grandparents weren't coddled, and I still made it here. Heck, my great-x10-parents were probably subsistence farmers and/or peddlers in the streets of Europe and I made it here. This "for the children" meme needs to be taken out back and stabbed to bloody death.

I see the economy gradually picking up steam over the remainder of this year as households and businesses regain confidence, financial conditions improve, and banks increase the supply of credit.

I can see why she would be encouraged if those things were happening. But how does she expect confidence to rise, financial conditions improve, and banks increase credit supply? Those are some pretty big assumptions.

The unemployment rate, which was 5 percent at the start of the recession, rose to around 10 percent in late 2009.

I have a problem with the 10% number. The brunt of this downturn has hit the housing sector and all of its tributaries, which include a huge number of U6, unaccounted-for, workers. The 10% just doesn't begin to cover the real numbers.

There is a glimmer of good news on the employment front. The pace of job losses has slowed dramatically and some indicators, such as gains in temporary jobs, suggest that we may be close to a turnaround in the labor market.

I saw a report recently that stated in this downturn, temporary employment is NOT an indication of the dawn of improvement, but that this time instead it was just that companies are too afraid to hire permanently - contrary to past recessions.

I was encouraged to see the unemployment rate drop from 10 percent to 9.7 percent in January.

Again, you have discouraged workers and those who are just relenting to the drop from middle to lower class. I don't believe the employment situation is getting better.

poic wrote:

On the 7th day he rested and all was good.

On the 7th day, he created positions to short his positions from the 6th day and all was good. Fixed It For Ya
.
Vampire Squid from Hell never rests.

Slumdog, I want to take my current losses in srs and roll them over into another losing trades. Any recommendations?

...all that happy talk from the maim stream media yesterday was just to get people used to having less, but make it seem like they are getting more, propaganda updated for our times.

Rob Dawg wrote:

Believe it or not it's just me.

Oh, man, Dawg on Happy Juice.

Something very bad is happening in CA.

poic wrote:

Slumdog, I want to take my current losses in srs and roll them over into another losing trades.

You still have capital left after SRS?

Dude, maybe like, we could, like, you know, maybe, like, I dunno, um, er, like, increase, um, the like, requirements, like, for graduation and like, stuff like that, dude.

poic wrote:

Any recommendations?

WWSD? WWSDD?

yagij wrote:
Vampire Squid from Hell never rests.
Non-being can never rest.

yagij wrote:

This "for the children" meme needs to be taken out back and stabbed to bloody death.

Especially when it's used to justify a bigger salary for themselves...

The only growth will be in job loses, bank closures, and ws bailouts.
Crazy

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Non-being can never rest.

But they do have the Freedom of Speech so they get all the productivity gains possible!

yagij wrote:
But they do have the Freedom of Speech so they get all the productivity gains possible!
Actually it's now the Feedom of Speech.

Good question about those kids who don't make it to college. Wonder what a high school diploma will signify after further dilution...,

Assuming one skims out a small subset of the seniors and/or juniors performing well enough to go to college, the kids who are left will to be restratified of course. The top performers will now be the B students (who will probably receive the A's) and so one down the Bell Curve. It may take a lot of effort to fail. Top colleges will soon take a jaundiced eye at anybody slow enough to have to stay all 12 years at a typical high school curriculum, as though there is something wrong with the pupil. Parents will find the schools with the high proportion of "opt out," seniors and redirect their children there. It will become yet another way to identify the failing systems as well, as these schools will not send as many kids to college at age 16.

Maybe the U.S. is headed to the Asian "cram school," approach. The quicker you test out of high school, the better. The only high level kids in grades 11 and 12 might end up being the athletes who are obligated to stay by NCAA rules.

Whether or not one is mature enough to handle a collegiate program at age 16 is up for debate. Certainly, I was not.

"You still have capital left after SRS?"

the sale of my position should give me enough to cover the comission, a small tube of ky and an extra $1.50. Perhaps slumdog could point me towards a belly button lint ETF?

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Feedom of Speech.

---I have been assimilated.

the idea of sending kids to college at 15 or 16 is bad. Who knows what they want to do at that age?

and the social life sucks.

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Actually it's now the Feedom of Speech.

While we get the Fiefdom from Speech! Peasants of the World shuddup.

High Schools will not cut lose of students early due to the money lost. It is all about butts in the seats and revenue. That is also the give them all diplomas even if they can't read!

Dude like I um know this dude that works at a Starbucks and like he can so get me into a job there, and make some real money, dude.

OT:

A little of the local flavor...
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) -- House budget committee members will begin debating the state's spending plan and how to handle an expected $563 million reduction in revenues.

The House Ways and Means Committee will start meeting Monday and is expected to approve by the end of the week a $5.3 billion budget for the fiscal year that begins July 1.

Legislators have already given initial approval to portions of the budget that include saving about $100 million at the Education Department by furloughing teachers for five nonclassroom days in the upcoming school year.

Three years ago, the annual spending bill was $7 billion.

Repeated budget cuts, including $439 million since September, have left legislators with only about $5.3 billion as they start writing the fiscal 2011 spending plan.

poic wrote:

another losing trades

Treasuries are your best bet, although any currency in Europe could be good, too.

12th Percentile wrote:

the idea of sending kids to college at 15 or 16 is bad. Who knows what they want to do at that age?

I'm still trying to figure out what I'm going to do when I grow up....

Apparently I was too subtle. No more off-label Snark for me.

Dude, that's like, totally awesome dude.
And there's loads of hotties dude.

I wanted to jump in on this topic, but my experience doesn't seem to be the norm...but let me say this, as much as I found high school a mental and physical prison...the disappointment college turned out to be...going there sooner...is not the answer. Truth is the whole education system needs to be reworked...but we can't stop the machine for fear we will never get it started again.

Funny how no one in government ever thinks "maybe we should just do nothing and let things run their course"

A year later, reality sets in on housing fixes - Salt Lake Tribune

"President Obama is finding that, well, it actually is pretty hard" to fix the foreclosure mess, said Phillip Swagel, a Treasury official under President George W. Bush. "It's very easy to say 'you need to do more.' But it's very difficult to find something that is more -- and can be done."

NateTG wrote:

No more off-label Snark for me.

Stick to the top shelf stuff when you're here Wink

SPOOL wrote:
Maybe the U.S. is headed to the Asian "cram school," approach. The quicker you test out of high school, the better.
We're already headed for the Asian model, I'm afraid -- vocationally-focused, tracked education, with corporate sponsorship for the exceptional in exchange for an employment commitment. We're almost there already, in fact.

HomeGnome wrote:

Dude, that's like, totally awesome dude.
And there's loads of hotties dude.

And like tons of MILFs 'n stuff...

OT - though quite green shooty though:

Counties across New York State, including New York
City, saw one of the sharpest declines in sales tax collections on record,
Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli said. In a report comparing 2009 with 2008
collections, he found a 5.9% decrease statewide. Fifty-three of New York's 57
counties outside of New York City saw a sales tax decline, and many of these
counties share sales tax revenues with their municipalities, DiNapoli said.
The Empire State's sales tax base shrank 7.1% in fiscal 2009-10, he added.

broward wrote:

Oh, man, Dawg on Happy Juice.
Something very bad is happening in CA.

I've reinstituted my California Debt Watch. I'll be sure to leave a note when the threat level is raised to Default Watch.

As to happy juice. Thing is the US found itself an accidental empire and it's real hard to hold on to something with that attitude. I am serene and harbor the secret knowledge that the rest of the world is going to seriously regret our abdication.

We committed to this course when the "Swedish" model was passed over.

Cinco-X wrote:
HomeGnome wrote:
Dude, that's like, totally awesome dude.
And there's loads of hotties dude.
And like tons of MILFs 'n stuff...

My first wife was 'tarded... she's a pilot now.

Rob Dawg wrote:

California Debt Watch.

---You need to add a "Freedom" or "Patriot" in there.
And proudly wear your flag lapel pin.

The Empire State's sales tax base shrank 7.1% in fiscal 2009-10, he added.

but just wait until all those goldman bonuses are taxes, then we will be rocking and rolling again! Right?

I have absconded with July 15th being of high importance in the scheme of things here in the Golden State, so you'll have to decide upon one of 364 others days, ,rad Dawgma.

Vonbek777 wrote:

the disappointment college turned out to be...going there sooner...is not the answer.

Personally, undergrad was t3h suckage for me too. There was nothing magical, wondrous, or fulfilling about it. Some of it was me. Some of it was the system. I got the degree, but I'm much happier now years removed from it than I ever was during it.

Outsider wrote:

The 10% just doesn't begin to cover the real numbers.

I'm going to have to update my numbers on the unadjusted U-3 to U-6 spread, it appears to have opened back up a tad. It ran around 3%-4% (including the 2001 recession) until the current recession started when it blew out to the 6%-7% range...got under 7% for awhile, it is back over that again.

I got the degree, but I'm much happier now years removed from it than I ever was during it.

This is the main problem with our colleges and universities, they stifle further learning after receiving your diploma because the way they teach it is a chore.

My wife's two younger siblings...California drop outs. One got her GED, and is working day care after 3rd husband. This is absolutely terrifying to us since we almost adopted her daughter. The other is now proudly working at Taco Bell, bitching about the assistant manger, and why he didn't get a promotion. The justification for their lives, is it must have been my wife's unknown father's genes that made her so smart, and by the way can they borrow a grand.

11th and 12th graders out of HS, into college debt earlier. Green Shoots

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

This is the main problem with our colleges and universities, they stifle further learning after receiving your diploma because the way they teach it is a chore.

A love of lifelong learning is a parental value to be transmitted to the young...which survives in spite of the educational process.

I've reinstituted my California Debt Watch. I'll be sure to leave a note when the threat level is raised to Default Watch.

I'm conditioned to colors. If you don't translate it into colors, how are we going to know when to worry?

HomeGnome wrote:

Rob Dawg wrote:

California Debt Watch.

---You need to add a "Freedom" or "Patriot" in there.
And proudly wear your flag lapel pin.

"This on my lapel is a California Golden Bear Chit. I will wear it until the budget is balanced. You get used to the smell after a few years."

"I'm conditioned to colors. If you don't translate it into colors, how are we going to know when to worry?"

California debt watch has been raised to code Brown Pants

I wanted to jump in on this topic, but my experience doesn't seem to be the norm...but let me say this, as much as I found high school a mental and physical prison...the disappointment college turned out to be...going there sooner...is not the answer.

"I spent four years prostrate to the higher mind, got my paper."
-Indigo Girls.

I can relate, and, no, it's definitely not the answer, but it seems like it could be ameliorative. I don't want to go off on a rant about how society values a banker or a doctor more than a garbage man or farmer - which is a related problem.

Outsider wrote:

I've reinstituted my California Debt Watch. I'll be sure to leave a note when the threat level is raised to Default Watch.

I'm conditioned to colors. If you don't translate it into colors, how are we going to know when to worry?

Colors? Does "brown and steaming" work for you?

from - Those who served as secretary of the Treasury in both Republican and Democratic administrations

Letters to the Editor: Congress Should Implement the Volcker Rule for Banks - WSJ.com

signed

W. Michael Blumenthal
Nicholas Brady
Paul O'Neill
George Shultz
John Snow

energyecon wrote:
A love of lifelong learning is a parental value to be transmitted to the young...which survives in spite of the educational process.
Hard to get that in families when both parents work 60+ hours a week, and you're raised by daycare providers, the state and TeeVee. All hail the de facto Lebensraum!

sam.2 wrote:

Counties across New York State, including New York
City, saw one of the sharpest declines in sales tax collections on record

When I was growing up back East, everybody did a little biz under the table, off the books or from the back of a truck. More of the same.

White: Uh oh.

Brown: Worry.

Red: Get to hospital.

Attention Roserberg readers:

Lots of high-test Dooooooooooooooom!!! in this morning's piece.

The ECRI weekly leading index growth rate has keeled over, the M1 multiplier is at a new low, money velocity at an 11-year low, M2 velocity down again, Dooooooooooooooom!!!

12th Percentile wrote:

the idea of sending kids to college at 15 or 16 is bad. Who knows what they want to do at that age?
and the social life sucks.

I was 16 when I started college. I wanted to do the same things everyone else did -- and the social life sucked.

REBear wrote:

from - Those who served as secretary of the Treasury in both Republican and Democratic administrations

And Paulson?

Dude, that's like, totally, a lot of, like, Dooooooooooooooom!!!, dude.

sm_landlord wrote:

The ECRI weekly leading index growth rate has keeled over, the M1 multiplier is at a new low, money velocity at an 11-year low, M2 velocity down again

Black swan foie gras, with apricot sauce. Yum.

HP Loancraft is working on another financial horror story, and is unavoidably detained.

This student sponsored by Goldman Sachs.
This student sponsored by A.I.G.
This student sponsored by GM

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

This is the main problem with our colleges and universities, they stifle further learning after receiving your diploma because the way they teach it is a chore.

No, I still try to learn (hence, CR), but I have an unhealthy loathing for academics and the Higher Ed. Bubble, Bubble, Toil and Trouble in general.
.
Many academics are truly good people, but until I meet 'em and get to know 'em, I don't care how many letters they have after their name unless it is related to providing expert testimony for trial. Then, it is just about convincing a judge, not me.

More Dooooooooooooooom!!! Daily Kos: Junk economics and the rape of the middle class

So who put together the deal that bankrupted Pilgrim's Pride? Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch. The Merrill banker who made the deal was recently hired by JP Morgan Chase. JP Morgan was behind the financial derivatives that has bankrupted Jefferson County, Alabama over a sewer project.
Because of the financial disaster regarding the sewer project, sewer charges were raised to more than double the national average. Poor, working residents are being forced to chose between water and heat. Cuts in the sheriff's office are so severe that plans are being made to call in the National Guard for any breakout in civil order.

If this sounds suspiciously like the scenario of a 3rd world nation in Latin America, it only means that you are paying attention.

Hudek wrote:

11th and 12th graders out of HS, into college debt earlier.

Plus, then we can shrink municipal education administration by half! Think of the savings! Snark

Maury the Credit Responsibility Panda wrote:

Think of the savings!

(Even with the Snark) Tease Tongue

Re: "Less than half of the fourth-quarter growth reflected higher sales to customers. "

That is all about phantom inventory and too much Kool-Aid and too many Vampire Squid from Hell pumping Hopium and the reality is, we will have a shitload more Dooooooooooooooom!!!

Think of the savings!

The new, revised, improved definition of savings: We had to borrow less this month than we had to borrow last month.

Obama's Nobel Peace Prize - 35 civilians killed this weekend. The kill shots!

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

HP Loancraft is working on another financial horror story, and is unavoidably detained.

Margin Call of Cthulu indeed.

Thumbing through my copy of "The Necronomicon" (at midnight by the light of a black flame), it warns that the consequences of bringing the housing market back from the dead will be far more dangerous than letting it rot in the stygian depths to which it has fallen. The extent of those depths in the dark days ahead will not be known until the spectre of Cthulu awakens and (re)posses those things most dear to the doomed minions souls. Namely the holy speed boat, the most reverent Harley-Davidson, those objects of all desire the SUV, RV and ATV. Only then when all hope is lost and the scavengers are finished picking the bodies on the bloody battlefield clean of all that is valuable will the lamentations of the children, resigned to public schools and community college be heard. Only then as the wives cry out to the darkness, "Maui, Cancun wherefor art thou" will the true nature of the beast variously known to mere humans as the House ATM, the great equity withdrawl, the very HELOC himself so powerful that he is CAPITALIZED be revealed as a vampire sucking the lifeblood of guilty and innocent alike. Listen now, quiet, in the distance. The sound, the smell, the desperation. Those who thought an easy death, bankruptcy itself will be denied. No one gets off that easy. The laws of the gods of light and dark are no match for the US courts system. Ameriquest will eat their livers every dawn and peck out their eyes every sunset only to keep them barely alive to feed again on the morrow. And at night, where will they sleep? Not in their own beds, that's for sure.

I want to see it as "more foreclosure this month than last month" before I buy in.

i agree yagij
and i think that we should get rid of daylight savings time,thats another thing that is supposed to be for the children

Man I need access to your library for research.

homeGnome
you dont mean like being able to read,do you?

bearly wrote:

Obama's Nobel Peace Prize

It is interesting that the winner of the Peace Prize just sent a few extra thousand warriors into an on-going battle ... I doubt if this is a normal pattern for that award in historical terms; seems like they should have called it something other, like the Blitzkrieg Button .... something catchy.

Doc Holiday wrote:

seems like they should have called it something other, like the Blitzkrieg Button .... something catchy.

Grecian Grasp.

What is scary to me is how much money we've had to print to bail out Vampire Squid from Hell and too big to fail companies, to buy every mortgage, to try and prop up the economy and so forth. This is being done to stabilize the here and now with shaky results at best.

The 800 pound gorilla in the room is the 50 trillion plus in unfunded mandates and other pensions that for the most part will NEVER be paid. I think the shear size of this "debt" is beyond comprehension! We have made a lot of promises that will never be kept! The sooner we renig on many of these promises and obligations the sooner we can begin to grow again or maybe it will be TEOTWAWKI!! Pitchforks and Torches

tncubsfan wrote:

The sooner we renig

--renege
fyi.

12 Billion short for public pensions here in South Carolina.

tncubsfan wrote:

The sooner we renig

--renege
fyi.

  • Thank you. My bad! Stare

tncubsfan wrote:

50 trillion plus in unfunded mandates and other pensions that for the most part will NEVER be paid

That's right. Just better to ignore it and keep up the happy talk until 1 day the plan manager say, benefit payment failed. Great system we have.

Rob Dawg wrote:
The extent of those depths in the dark days ahead will not be known until the spectre of Cthulu awakens and (re)posses those things most dear to the doomed minions souls.
They're called possessions for a reason. I suppose the breast implants and other vanity surgeries are pretty much write-offs though, so they may turn out to have been the smartest 'investment'.

sm landlord - Thank you for the EW link.

She basically said the blockage to reform is lobbyists.

Interesting.

(it was also interesting how, out of the 10 cc consumer safeguards that went into effect today, the cc companies have already found ways around 8 of them)

Yellen's outlook fails to include the budget crunch that state and local governments will face this year.

As an example the county I live in is looking at cutting the school budget from $72.6 million (FY 2010 which runs through june 30th) to $65.1 million next year. The budget won't be finalized until march but dozens of job cuts on the table.

I expect unemployment to remain painfully high for years. The rate should edge down from its current level to about 9¼ percent by the end of this year

UE going down later this year when all the census workers are let go 2H?

On that front, the most recent data show consumers releasing somewhat their tight grips on their wallets.

Sales tax collections say otherwise.

Eric wrote:

Slumdog wrote:

Gold will double

I'm assuming when it goes from $250 to $500, you'll claim victory.

"I may be wrong for a thousand points......"

Eric's here! Hooray! Bon temps roulez.
I thought he was lost to Mish, still stuck in Italy. You go for it. I need you to expand the large ignorance hole in my head.

tncubsfan wrote:

What is scary to me is how much money we've had to print to bail out Vampire Squid from Hell and too big to fail companies, to buy every mortgage, to try and prop up the economy and so forth. This is being done to stabilize the here and now with shaky results at best.

We've spent more over the last three years than it would take to pay every mortgage payment over that time. Got that? every household in the US with an extra mortgage payment in disposable income and get this; 0.00% delinquencies. An inflationary? You bet. These idiots can't even cause inflation when they want it never mind the scary part of their being able to control it when they need.

W have indeed printed squidloads of money. Doubling the available supply wouldn't have been enough to offset the halving of the velocity of money. F=1/2 Mv^2. It's all about the "v" and when the "v" ticks up the Fed won't be able to drain fast enough. Bad, bad, bad. Obvious, obvious, obvious.

Yeah, the 50+ trillion in federal debt is just for SS, medicare, medicaid and some other payments. There has got to be more trillions in state pensions and private pensions that are in big trouble! It's going to be interesting to see how things play out when people stop getting their monthly pension/disability check?

Rob Dawg wrote:

(re)posses those things most dear to the doomed minions souls.

No, PLEASE, not my JetSki. I have 2 perfectly good children you can take.

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

They're called possessions for a reason. I suppose the breast implants and other vanity surgeries are pretty much write-offs though, so they may turn out to have been the smartest 'investment'.

Drain the liquidity and leave them holding the bag.

U.S. state pension funds have $1 trillion shortfall: Pew
| Reuters

cubsfan<
I don't think TPTB will ever stop handing out the green pieces of paper.
It will just be that they won't buy anything.

Dangerous times indeed. There have been hate groups before but when that is combined with large scale frustration among populace and the need to DO SOMETHING...that is something totally different than just a bunch of stupid skinheads drinking beer and "having fun".

I'm starting to get with the program a little more each day. So, the government prints money and borrows from foreigners, gives it to the states to spruce up their interstates and later build them out with toll booths in order to sell them to their creditors for extra income. It's a win,win for everybody. Got it!

but, but but...

Tri-cornered hat sales are up 666% from 2009 to 2010.

sm_landlord wrote:

EW talks to Bill Maher

Great link and enjoyed EW as usual!!

High schools should have mandatory introductory economics classes.

And recent Elizabeth Warren interviews should be mandatory in them.

That's it. I'm starting a charter school.

bearly wrote:

No, PLEASE, not my JetSki. I have 2 perfectly good children you can take.

Two 18-year liabilities do not equal one depreciating asset.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

-$6 is a smackdown?

Go long hyperbole

Maybe you can work on your math? Or might you be the first of the 10th graders gaining early release?

High 1124
Low 1100
Daily Spread (irrelevant to you, I guess) 14.

Drop Speed $11 in 1 hour, an above average rate of price movement (also irrelevant?)

Gaps to fill at this time on a daily chart: None.

This is a sharp price movement in gold. But, he whadda I know. I watch this daily and have done so for the past 1500 trading sessions. Mehbe I'll learn me something, sumtyme.

Eric, how do the Italians see it?

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

but, but but...
Tri-cornered hat sales are up 666% from 2009 to 2010.

Phrygian Caps or fight.

That might even look cool with neck flame tattoos?

http://www.avidinvestments.com/inflation.jpg

  • Yes, continue to hand out the green paper until inflation wipes out any value it may have? Burn the money rather than buy firewood with it?

"Two 18-year liabilities do not equal one depreciating asset. "

Hey don't be harshing on his jet-ski. Sounds like you're talking more about 2 kids and a spouse there.

yagij wrote:

Grecian Grasp.

Poppies For Peace

.. maybe more like an Oscar, for Best Male Actor, in a supporting war...

The 2011-2012 projected state budgets are addressing (mostly) the assumption that fedgov will not backstop education this go-around, so cuts will probably look like 10% of public ed workforce across the board (results may vary)...teachers will once again be migrant seasonal labor.

--bh

The readers of Vogue must have a high dose of HappyPills in their bloodstreams...

Friends home-schooled their daughter up to age 13, when she enrolled in a Charter School (60 miles to town). She also enrolled in a 100-level college english course. She already knows everything they are supposedly "teaching" her in the college course. Public education these days leaves a lot to be desired.

poic wrote:

Sounds like you're talking more about 2 kids and a spouse there.

You're receding from a fair trade, not approaching one.

Outsider wrote:

High schools should have mandatory introductory economics classes.

I actually read an article once that claimed attempting to teach finance, markets, and economics often did more harm than good, as it filled people with sense of overconfidence.

I didn't put a lot of credit to the article, but it was certainly an interesting point.

Dude, I was so, like, totally bummed, like at the DARE, um, show.
Dudes buds were like mexi schwag, dude.
Like the 3 S's, dude.
Seeds, stems and shake.
Yeah, dude.
See you at, the, like, pep rally, dude.
Yeah, dude.

The reader of Vogue have a high dose of cash in their bank accounts, Gnome. When the average "casual sundress" for those evenings on the terrace is $1200. Wink

Yeah, that is why the use of lab rats is way down...doctors just send pills to the Vogue readers with note, "Diet pill, recommended by Madonna (or add star here____)". Then 10 days later "field" assistants go and check the results. Lab rat public union is not exactly happy with this new development.

1000 mile commute

I can't imagine the long term consequences to the marriage and relationship with the kids, and hope he actually manages to get his pension after all the effort.

HomeGnome wrote:

See you at, the, like, pep rally, dude.

Is that what we're calling this market action lately...

An Update on State Budget Cuts — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Resource for summarizing budget cuts by states (updated as of Feb.)

Judge for yourself how this will impact the economic outlook and monetary policy for 2011-2015 (?)

The greatest lesson I learned in my senior year economics class was the extra credit stock market game. We were each given a virtual 100.00 to invest. I finished at 27 bucks. A kid who seemed rather unassuming finished with over 10 grand. His secret, his dad worked for a big broker.

captain morgan you mean as in "a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing" yep might be perfect example of cds,cdos and friends. Smile

poic wrote:

Slumdog, I want to take my current losses in srs and roll them over into another losing trades. Any recommendations?

Ever since the NC RE tycoon at Mish's said to go long in SRS, thereby seriously financially injuring so many there, I've watched it from a distance, though no interest on my part. It's a losing trade but for short term posturing when sentiment can be determined in advance.

It's not a buy and hold; that's for sure.

poic, I monitor only 3 markets, gold, silver, and the S&P via the DJIA. I've wished to do other things, but I don't because I know I don't know. In things I believe I know, I can hold my position. In things I don't know, I refuse to accept the insight or advice of anyone as that's merely a tout at a race track. I don't gamble. Oops. I did buy something for $3500 that's a loss of $2000, and I made one mistake on one lot of fabric and ate $50,000 for 7 years, finally capturing back net $30,000 of it after reworking it. I just don't accept risk very well.

Others are retired. I can't seem to be able to release the tar baby. I like what I do. And it's let's just say supporting what I consider idyllic living arrangements, though I'd like a parallel vacation life, to live in the beauty in which I reside, as well. Just won't til I'm triple set for life.

poic, every trade is a losing trade if one doesn't have a very high probability of the outcome known in advance. IMO, there is zero reason to gamble that way. Spend your money on a vacation, rather than place it at risk.

Slumdog wrote:

It's not a buy and hold; that's for sure.

What is now? Smile

February 22, 2010

"Iceland has rejected a proposal for the terms of repaying $5.4 billion to Dutch and British investors after the collapse of Icelandic bank Landsbanki’s Icesave, DPA reported Feb. 22, citing RUV broadcasting. The rejected proposal reportedly included two years interest-free and a floating interest rate based on the euro interbank rate plus a 2.75 percent premium, RUV reported."

broward wrote:

It's not a buy and hold; that's for sure.

What is now? Smile

It seems to be a trader's market. Go long brokers?

broward wrote:

What is now?

Given that this is the lowest level of market activity on the NYSE since the Christmas holidays, it appears that there's reason to 'buy and trade' either.

I tried to follow slumdogs advice a few weeks ago. I received a piece of paper in the mail with the instructions:

buy,hold,sell,sell,hold,hold,buy,hold,sell,sell

I think I screwed up and did a hold,buy,hold in the middle instead and that's why my trade went bad.

poic wrote:

I think I screwed up and did a hold,buy,hold in the middle instead and that's why my trade went bad.

So much for the customer's yachts...

nice graphs of projected shortfalls for states,another linky:

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=711 

I don't believe there's a chance fedgov given the current legislative coma will backstop.

--bh

poic wrote:

I think I screwed up and did a hold,buy,hold in the middle instead and that's why my trade went bad.

You must be Italian Smile.

I think it is now buy and bailout (if you have contacts). For others it is simple: sell, pray and run away.

poic wrote:

buy,hold,sell,sell,hold,hold,buy,hold,sell,sell

I'm really cheap, so I'll stubbornly hold on to a losing trade instead of giving my broker the extra $10 to close it.

I blame it on my parents.

"I'm really cheap, so I'll stubbornly hold on to a losing trade instead of giving my broker the extra $10 to close it."

If it was SRS then looks like you're cheap and poor now.

[poic goes over and gives noob a hug and wipes away his tears]

noob goldberg wrote:

I blame it on my parents.

I'd like to but I'm afraid they'd cut my allowance.

noob goldberg wrote:

See you at, the, like, pep rally, dude

I think Obama's PPT will run into the same wall as the Bush PPT, but then again, Obama does seem more willing to print more money, but this is a matter of plasticity and seeing how far shit can be pushed. We have a Wheres MY pony? with a Ferrari V12 Engine:

See and click> Wheres MY pony? 

Maybe we need a Trial balloon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

buy,hold,sell,sell,hold,hold,buy,hold,sell,sell

Sounds like you have your own personal strange attractor. Chaos Investments. Maybe you should fire it and try flipping coins.

poic wrote:

I tried to follow slumdogs advice a few weeks ago. I received a piece of paper in the mail with the instructions: buy,hold,sell,sell,hold,hold,buy,hold,sell,sell

It's pretty enlightening to do an advanced search on google of the hoocoodanode.org domain.

There are many places to get good education and training about both trading and technical analysis on the internet, and many good books (and many bad ones) have been written about the topic as well.

poic wrote:

If it was SRS then looks like you're cheap and poor now.

I'm only down $21 on SRS so far. I'm down $65 on EEV and $50 on SKF. But PSQ and SH are still green by a few bucks, for what it's worth. I'm not concerned, but I think that's mostly because I'm an idiot.

I'll take that hug now.

That's funny broward, my dad and I had a similar conversation just the other day. He said he thought this whole economic crisis was because the new generations were getting too independent. Had to crash everything in order for the elders to get their self esteem back as all the kids came home to get in line for boot licking their way into the family money. My response was....what family money?

noob<

USA 5 Canada 3

---Feeling better?

1:03pm

Treasury sells 30-yr TIPS at 2.229%
Bidders offer $2.45 for each $1 of TIPS sold
Indirect bidders buy 42.4% of 30-year TIPS auction

broward wrote:

I'd like to but I'm afraid they'd cut my allowance.

I'm afraid they'll stop offering to watch my kids. You can't put a price on abandoning your children.

HomeGnome wrote:

USA 5 Canada 3

---Feeling better?

Yes, because now they have an extra game in which to pull together as a team and really gel.

The human brain is an incredible rationalization device.

What's the preferred method of hari kari in Quebec, noob

How was customs leaving the Gulag Hockeypelago?

HomeGnome wrote:

Treasury sells 30-yr TIPS at 2.229%
Bidders offer $2.45 for each $1 of TIPS sold
Indirect bidders buy 42.4% of 30-year TIPS auction

And the charts go wild for a moment. Let's see where they settle out. So far, it looks like the bond market no likey.

" noob<

USA 5 Canada 3

---Feeling better? "

I bet the US pulled a Patriot Act on us and threatened economic warfare or waterboarding all our IT folks if we didn't lose. Obama is a commie so I'm sure he would pull something like that. Plus it helps counter-balance all the negative economic news. I'm pretty sure it was all a plot hatched months ago.

Leaving the snowmobile on in a closed garage while laying drunk sprawled out on the floor. Accident status, so you get life insurance. So I've been told.

What's the preferred method of hari kari in Quebec?
face down in a bucket of poutine

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

How was customs leaving the Gulag Hockeypelago?

Perfect. Amazing actually.

I misread my departure time and thought I had an extra 20 minutes. So I left my house at 5:33, and had a good cabbie who got me to the airport in 15 minutes, even through rushhour traffic. I threw him some cash, got my boarding pass, went through security, and then through customs, and was sitting on the plane by 6:06. We pushed back 5 minutes later and I was airborne by 6:25.

On the way back I was the only person in line at Terminal A at Reagan, and was through in 2 minutes. It was actually the smoothest I've had in ages.

"We have a Wheres MY pony? with a Ferrari V12 Engine:"

Ironic that it is a 3 day job to change the oil in most of those?
There is a metaphor in that somewhere.

Ciao
MS

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

What's the preferred method of hari kari in Quebec, noob

Wandering through a rural French town, like Val-D'or, wearing Canadian flags whilst carrying a banner stating that Quebec sovereignty is for yellow-bellied surrender monkeys. All written in English.

Ot?

ANALYSIS-Build America Bonds bring “a game-changing moment” | Business News

I wonder if the increased inventory in the bond world is reflected in the increase of the S&P 5oo P/E, which should impact currencies and gold ... what a loop, huh? Something tells me this not going to end well (again).

noob goldberg wrote:

Wandering through a rural French town, like Val-D'or, wearing Canadian flags whilst carrying a banner stating that Quebec sovereignty is for yellow-bellied surrender monkeys. All written in English.

You would be perfectly safe- they flunked their English tests, ya know;-} Now a sign sayign DeGaulle was a poofta- that they would get;-}

Someday this war's gonna end...

MS wrote:

There is a metaphor in that somewhere.

I think it's @ the dealership.... LOL!

"Wandering through a rural French town, like Val-D'or, wearing Canadian flags whilst carrying a banner stating that Quebec sovereignty is for yellow-bellied surrender monkeys. All written in English."

Warning, warning! Do NOT attempt this test if you in any way look like an immigrant.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

What's the preferred method of hari kari in Quebec,

Budwieser taken internally.

I expect unemployment to remain painfully high for years.

Welcome to the new jobless economy. Gee who's got the money to buy the offshored, outsourced corporate products & services ?

The rate should edge down from its current level to about 9¼ percent by the end of this year

Where are the new jobs coming from again or is this just move govt. make-work ? Which include free knock-on effects of healthcare costs and generous pension entitlements.

Can I get paid to 'state the bleeding obvious' and make Kool-Aid pronouncements.

~splat

Citizen AllenM wrote:

You would be perfectly safe- they flunked their English tests, ya know;-} Now a sign sayign DeGaulle was a poofta- that they would get;-}

Only one of them needs to know the translation.

noob goldberg wrote:

What's the preferred method of hari kari in Quebec, noob

Wandering through a rural French town, like Val-D'or, wearing Canadian flags whilst carrying a banner stating that Quebec sovereignty is for yellow-bellied surrender monkeys. All written in English.

Post_of_the_day. LoL. Quelle bon chance that my surname has one of the accent thingies at the end. Best of both worlds.

Citizen AllenM wrote:

Now a sign sayign DeGaulle was a poofta- that they would get;-}

The most ironic thing about DeGaulle was that in the end.. even the French were sick of him.
~splat

Intersecting international news:

February 22, 2010

"Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned Israel that a pre-emptive strike on Iran would lead to “a disaster in the entire region,” YNet news reported Feb. 22, citing an interview in El Pais. He said the dispute between Iran and the West must be resolved by diplomacy and that economic sanctions will impact the entire region."

poic wrote:

I tried to follow slumdogs advice a few weeks ago. I received a piece of paper in the mail with the instructions:

buy,hold,sell,sell,hold,hold,buy,hold,sell,sell

Hey man, I shorted the S&P one day and covered the next day, and posted so. The chart formation that was published online one day did not match the one published the next day. I left the trade and posted so immediately as I do not gamble unless I believe strongly in the outcome. So, the loss was commission and a few bucks.

Recently, I posted that it was smart to buy LT gold calls out of the money, when gold was in the 1070 range.

I arrived here long gold and long silver, unleveraged, and for about 80% of this crowd, retireable amounts. I''ve done nothing with that backstop. I'll return those metals when the time is ripe, around $2000/5000 in gold, and $50/100 in silver. Right now, they're foundational backstops.

I seek tradable positions in gold/silver/S&P via the DJIA. If brokers made a living on my trades, it would be great as they'd all have starved to death by now.

Gold will double. That's kewl. The calls will do well. But otherwise, there's nothing to do but wait and for many here, burn the pile of capital against lifestyle.

blackhat: Thanks for that link, sobering indeed. As usual it will be the most vulnerable, frail and weak who suffer most profoundly, first and many will find nothing and no one that will fill the gaps. Its very, very sad.

Slumdog wrote:

Gold will double. That's kewl. The calls will do well. But otherwise, there's nothing to do but wait and for many here, burn the pile of capital against lifestyle.

Gold has doubled. And doubled again. Start date, start price. End date, end price.

Personally I can get all on board for a doubling. Unfortunately it is an early 2011 $780 to a 2012 $1560. I don't think that's what you mean.

Rob Dawg wrote:

I don't think that's what you mean.

He has claimed it's going to $6,000.

Cinco-X wrote:

In many HS', Senior year is wasted anyway. Students should be more productive if they're paying for it out of their own pockets...


this was an idea put forward in a book "Jefferson' s Children" about 15 years ago. The authors argument was that community college is full of people from varied backgrounds and ages- but all who want to be there. This was a better setting for kids who are interested rather than placing them in class full of people who are just marking time along with teachers who often lack the necessary subject matter knowledge for a student really interested in the subject matter. Additionally by the time they are in the last two years kids have decided what they are interested in - and it makes more sense to let them focus on their interests rather than forcing them to go through classes that they have no interest in.

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