The Recovery is full speed a head!

Well there's not really anything they can do about their customers being short. Wait, what?

It's always the shorts, fucking things up for the real Americans.

The scary part - this is before you consider survivors' bias.

The Recovery is full speed a head!

Ok I am recovered Currently Smoking Cannibis

Something is up ( err down ) dollar dropping big time and Gold up $10

Great read from Charles Smith:

charles hugh smith-Weblog and Essays 

Is a "shortage of customers" still relevant and a concern in today's business world?
.
....Naw...........

RealClearMarkets - Searching for a Better Understanding of Depressions

The oldest law of economics tells us that human wants are unlimited, and arguably implies that depressions can't be predicted with any accuracy. In light of this most basic of economic laws, economic mistakes can't cause depressions, but governmental attempts to correct earlier mistakes can. Depressions can't so much be predicted as they can occur if governments increase the wedge between work and reward.

In a recent Wall Street Journal opinion piece, prominent investor Mark Spitznagel observed that "The 1920s were marked by the brave new era of the Federal Reserve system promoting inflationary credit expansion and with it permanent prosperity." Even though falling commody prices in the '20s suggested monetary tightness rather than inflationary ease, Spitznagel asserted that legendary Austrian-School economist Ludwig Von Mises knew the allegedly inflationary rise of credit would lead to a banking collapse. As the visionary who foresaw this, Von Mises according to Spitznagel predicted the Great Depression.

Who knew that siphoning money from the top end of the economy would result in diminished demand on the lower end?

How do you say "lopsided" in econospeak?

I owned a small retail business for years, and every month I had to make the nut of about $6,000 to keep to doors open, let alone make any profit.

Very few retail stores are owned by the proprietor, as most are leased. I suspect that a good many retailers are planning their exit strategy...

Clearly the answer is to take stimulus funds and give them to the banks so they can make loans to small businesses,.

Birth-Death adjustment +120,000 a month!

I owned a small retail business for years, and every month I had to make the nut of about $6,000 to keep to doors open, let alone make any profit.

Very few retail stores are owned by the proprietor, as most are leased. I suspect that a good many retailers are planning their exit strategy...

JD you want to see how quick many are running for the exit just take a look over at

Daily Job Cuts - Layoff News , Job Layoffs 2009 , Bankruptcy, Store closings and other Business Economy News

Go to the right..... " closings "

hmmm. shortage of customers sounds like poor inventory planning. what happened to 'just in time' supply management?

anybody hearing calls for 'back to basics' management?

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

as most are leased. I suspect that a good many retailers are planning their exit strategy...

+1 The nuts and bolts of it all

JimPortlandOR wrote:

what happened to 'just in time' supply management?

The problem is in their "just in time" demand.....
Wink

More Iranian Warnings About 2-11

Something is up.

Last week, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that Iran will deliver a harsh blow to "global arrogance" on February 11.

Iranian Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is now out with pretty much the same message.

"The Iranian nation, with its unity and God's grace, will punch the arrogance (Western powers) on the 22nd of Bahman (February 11) in a way that will leave them stunned," Khamenei, who is also Iran's commander-in-chief, told a gathering of air force personnel, reports Breitbart.

Iran anniversary 'punch' will stun West: Khamenei 

Supporters of anti-regime elements are expected to stage protests on that day. The Iranian government has charged that the protests are instigated by U.S. operatives.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

I owned a small retail business for years, and every month I had to make the nut of about $6,000

My aunt ran a convenience store for 10 years. I've never seen anyone work so hard [for so little].

Gotta go run the treadmill of life now. I hope you all come up with some solutions. I'll check back in tonight, expectantly.

"The biggest problem continues to be a shortage of customers."

Other than that. Mrs. Lincoln....

Mr Slippery wrote:

Birth-Death adjustment +120,000 a month!

Dang, I'm going to invest in Carousel mfg for the Brave New Logans Run World.

shill wrote:

"The Iranian nation, with its unity and God's grace, will punch the arrogance (Western powers) on the 22nd of Bahman (February 11) in a way that will leave them stunned,"

Are they going to burn an effigy of Mickey Mouse?

Why are they mad at us, did the CIA overthrow their government of something? Snark

shill wrote:

Charles Smith:

He has a couple of good articles on how local government burdens will be "shared"

Across the street from my retail store was a luggage store that paid the same rent and had a similar size yellow-pages advert.

I always wondered what kept him in business, was it a front for something else?

CR: *And the number one problem:

"The biggest problem continues to be a shortage of customers." *

Does this mean I can stop hearing about how the unavailability of SBA loans are * the problem *?

Nanoo-Nanoo wrote:

Dang, I'm going to invest in Carousel mfg for the Brave New Logans Run World.

Yes, my PSQ and SH exsanguination confirms these numbers.

Mr Slippery wrote:

My aunt ran a convenience store for 10 years. I've never seen anyone work so hard [for so little].

Feeling like you have a purpose is worth a lot of money. (Being your own boss too.)

Black Star Ranch wrote:

"shortage of customers"

who will buy their roses?

If these small businesses would just adapt and diversify their operations to include proprietary trading, they could 'earn' their way out.

Are they going to burn an effigy of Mickey Mouse?

Maybe just saber rattling, we shall see.

Got Popcorn?

I was thinking that as well JP. The fact is, they killed the consumer. Insurance rates in Cali just went up over 30%. Wages haven't gone up in decades but the cost of everything else has. I guess they'll keep shoveling money at the top hoping it trickles down and the consumer will start spending again...

Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- China Investment Corp., the nation’s sovereign wealth fund, invested for the first time in the U.S. Oil Fund, an exchange-traded crude-futures fund, joining Morgan Stanley & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group among the top holders.

China Investment became the fourth-largest holder in the Oil Fund by buying 2 million shares, equal to 3.48 percent of the outstanding units, with a value of $78.6 million, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission 13-F filing posted on Feb. 5. It also took a 1.45 million share stake, or 0.4 percent of the total, in the SPDR Gold Trust worth $155.6 million.

A small bark from China that they have alternatives to buying US treasuries. Goldman, Morgan, and China, Inc. will own the world....

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

I always wondered what kept him in business, was it a front for something else?

It's the heavily cash businesses that make good fronts for money laundering. I'd expect a lot of CC business in a luggage store. On the other hand, there could be huge margins on Chinese made luggage; who knows?

When it's your own business, that sign that says open from 9 am to 6 pm is only the mandatory hours in which you absolutely positively had to be there, but oftentimes it was more like 7 am to 7 pm for me.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

retailers are planning their exit strategy

in stages:

1 - crank it down to the bones

2 - get out and hustle for some business

3 - walk away

I was thinking that as well JP. The fact is, they killed the consumer. Insurance rates in Cali just went up over 30%. Wages haven't gone up in decades but the cost of everything else has. I guess they'll keep shoveling money at the top hoping it trickles down and the consumer will start spending again...

Well it trickles down just fine to all the illegals in the form of section 8 and welfare ( you know the democratic voters ) , the bigger question is what about the rest of us.

What type of retail did you do?

shill wrote:

the bigger question is what about the rest of us.

You get tea-bagged by Caribou Barbie. Isn't that enough?

JimPortlandOR wrote:

A small bark from China that they have alternatives to buying US treasuries. Goldman, Morgan, and China, Inc. will own the world....

Since our debt is all that we have to sell to the Chinese at the current exchange rate, they will either have to buy it or shut down their manufacturing plants. Not much of a choice for them....

shill wrote:

More Iranian Warnings About 2-11

Getting the impression from some other things I'm reading that it's an advanced air-defense system. Good luck with that.

Pigged

Nanoo-Nanoo wrote:
The point is the futures markets were fine and the purpose was to spread the risk out, stabilize pricing so farmers, producers and suppliers could weather swings due to output problems beyond their control. Not so any longer, its a brokers market now and as yogi points out created the mechanism for globalized trading in SIVs
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Sorry, putting the children to bed . . . yes when the futures price deviates too much from the cash price you face basis risk, which cannot be hedged and is deadly. Just when you think you're hedging, you're actually laying on more risk. Would be hedgers gradually no longer use futures to hedge, or their banks stop asking them to hedge, because the futures are no longer protection. Their money goes away and the futures market turns into a casino, spec vs spec. True breakdown of its social function. Futures markets in China are like that today.

Does it? How then is it that the top 10% continuously control more and more of the wealth pie while the bottom 90% fight over what's left? Facts just don't coincide with your theory.

now we need obama to introduce his 'customer creation' plan.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Across the street from my retail store was a luggage store that paid the same rent and had a similar size yellow-pages advert.
I always wondered what kept him in business, was it a front for something else?

Maybe he was a bag man for the mob....

You don't work a small business, you live it 24/7!

volker the viking wrote:

retailers are planning their exit strategy in stages:............ 3 - walk away

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I think many are now at #3.......

CK,

There is plenty of money to make. 90% won't do what it takes to get it.

Comrade Kristina wrote:

How then is it that the top 10% continuously control more and more of the wealth pie while the bottom 90% fight over what's left?

this is the way of all societies. well, i guess in some societies the spoils go to the top 2% and the bottom 98% fight for what's left...

I think many are now at #3.......

More than many realize. I can drive a half a mile up the road, an entire section of store fronts empty....I would say about a dozen or better. Above said store fronts is apartments, those seem to be fully occupied.

Black Star Ranch wrote:

I think many are now at #3.......

He left out the part about not paying and pocketing the last few months rent, and pocketing the sales tax receipts, hoping to settle fo less with the state at some time int he future. The last one especially popular for restaurants for some reason.

I was in the rarest of retail businesses, one in which buying from the hoi ploy was much more important than selling anything to them...

Black Star Ranch wrote:

I think many are now at #3

because they sorta skipped over #2

most of them couldn't sell beer on a troop ship

Its not easy being green came out swinging this morning...Did I miss some good news?

Lobbyist Ben Dover wrote:

90% won't do what it takes to get it.

i don't look good with a mask, and I'm reluctant to throw down on anyone with a hog leg

so, put me in the 90%

shill wrote:

More than many realize. I can drive a half a mile up the road, an entire section of store fronts empty....

'I saw 1/2 a dozen openings at the local mall last weekend-

Reverse survivorship bias also means that many of the most successful small businesses become large businesses.

Anak wrote:

Would be hedgers gradually no longer use futures to hedge, or their banks stop asking them to hedge, because the futures are no longer protection. Their money goes away and the futures market turns into a casino, spec vs spec.

We're pretty much there. The proportion of actual hedgers has shrunk dramatically over the past decade. Large institutional players account for something like 70% of the pie now, when they used to only account for maybe 20. I'll have to look up the numbers.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

I was in the rarest of retail businesses, one in which buying from the hoi ploy was much more important than selling anything to them...

Pawn broker?

Its not easy being green came out swinging this morning...Did I miss some good news?

Yes Iran defecated and the Markets enjoyed the aroma.

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they really dont seem to be to worried about anything,imo

Comrade Kristina wrote:

came out swinging this morning...Did I miss some good news?

Dollar down on Euro up. Euro up on Greek bailout rumors.

....and, if all this AND the Top-20 Doomers List wasn't enough to worry about, lets also worry about cancer causing "ThirdHand Smoke". ANYTHING smoke has touched (through second-hand exposure) now is causing you cancer......Lots of attorneys salivating over this new revenue stream.......

Thirdhand Smoke Forms Cancer-Causing Residue Indoors That Lasts - Bloomberg.com

'I saw 1/2 a dozen openings at the local mall last weekend-

Cinco ....Pheasant Lane Mall is a shadow of it's former self for sure....tic tic tic

noob goldberg wrote:

institutional players account for something like 70% of the pie now,

With the entry of a sovereign that owns the actual production facilities in particular commodities, then that percentage rises; the casino got a large mark player with tons o cash.

Off to work all. Thanks Maury and dum luk. I thought there had to be something to cause it.

I guess this is news to the business media, which portrays every business problem as essentially one of finance. It's symptomatic of how completely out-of-touch they are with the entire labor/production end of the economy. I own a small business and have a rather generous line of credit I can draw on anytime I want, but what's the point of expanding my business when I barely have enough customers to cover my current costs? Maybe we small businesses would have more customers if corporations used the money they spend on executive employment packages to hire workers at a decent wage, rather than laying off workers or paying them slave wages to feather the nests of investors. When we get to the point where 75% of the country is working for minimum wage to prop up profit margins, who in hell will be able to afford any of the goods and services they produce?

Great were printing more Euro, then more Dollars....hehe got In glod we trust & Hi Ho Silver, Away!

CK, No, not really.

The DJI booked 7.13 Million volume in the first 60 seconds.

shill wrote:

Cinco ....Pheasant Lane Mall is a shadow of it's former self for sure....tic tic tic

I was talkin' about the Mall in Leominster, but Solomon Pond Mall is in the same shape. My wife once work in retail, and she says she can't see how folks are surviving with the present traffic; it's tough all around-

Outsider wrote:

Who knew that siphoning money from the top end of the economy would result in diminished demand on the lower end?

Well that worked FINE until those at the top end ceased being willing to lend that money back to the lower end. Something about those darned unreliable poor people being unable to pay back the money that we lent to them.

Smoking doesn't cause cancer. Everyone knows someone who smoked for decades and is fine, and someone with lung cancer who never smoked. There is no greenhouse effect, either.

At any point in time, the number of dollars in circulation is fixed. Printing more is illusory wealth. You can only increase net wealth by lowering prices through innovation, or substituting more leisure time for work time with the same productivity. Or keeping prices constant but improving quality.

Dollar wealth is a zero sum game.

I was talkin' about the Mall in Leominster, but Solomon Pond Mall is in the same shape. My wife once work in retail, and she says she can't see how folks are surviving with the present traffic; it's tough all around-

Very- I went to the mall last week ( rare for me ) and this was at 12:00 noon, the place was literally empty, other than the food court and of course employees....The cut through SEARS......Echo! Echo!

Amid high unemployment and sliding home prices, a growing number of struggling consumers are doing what was once considered unthinkable: paying their credit card bills instead of their mortgages. A recent study developed by TransUnion found the percentage of Americans who were current on their credit cards but behind on their mortgage increased to 6.6 percent in the third quarter of 2009, up from 4.3 percent in the first quarter of 2008. Meanwhile, the share of consumers making mortgage payments on time but behind on their credit cards moved in the opposite direction, sliding from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent over the same time period.

A credit card, however, can disappear much quicker, Becker says. "If you go a couple months without paying your credit card bill, they are going to close your account," he says. "You won't be able to access your credit."

Forget the Mortgage, I'm Paying My Credit Card Bill - Yahoo! Finance

we shall see what the paint on the tape says at 4PM EST

the big boys are all parked close to the exit

When trickle-down stops working the government steps in to make the process even less efficient. What a system!

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

You can only increase net wealth by lowering prices through innovation, or substituting more leisure time for work time with the same productivity. Or keeping prices constant but improving quality.

what happened to the value added concept?

bearly,
It's only called "trickle down" at the top. On the receiving end, it's "trickled on".

volker the viking wrote:

what happened to the value added concept?

Killed by the internet, IIRC-

jjcomet wrote:

When we get to the point where 75% of the country is working for minimum wage to prop up profit margins, who in hell will be able to afford any of the goods and services they produce?

Welcome to a "service economy". Eventually it implodes and falls in on itself. "Globalism" has its own foibles - like making US non-competitive in manufacturing, engineering, design, medicine, (fill in the blank).......I don't see a way the US can support a healthy middle class on less manufacturing and a bigger service base.

Don't believe in government trickle down debt and taxes?

volker the viking wrote:
what happened to the value added concept?
While you add value, someone else is stealing money.

burnside wrote:

The DJI booked 7.13 Million volume in the first 60 seconds.

I was hoping for a stronger bounce than that; I was going to pony up a few more chips Smile. We only hit +130 and it wasn't huge volume. Yesterdays close, for example, saw almost 40 million shares move in the last 90-120 seconds. I was expecting a 2% move upward, but some big guy keeps driving down the price everytime it gets to 10030 or so.

Not one online retailer has to deal with their customers shoplifting from them, that's quite an advantage.

It's a very good thing that NYC wasn't snowmeggonized like DC or the PPT team wouldn't have made it to work Today is an 'all-hands' day on the pump at the homes of the Vampire Squid from Hell on WS.

Lobbyist Ben Dover wrote:

Don't believe in government trickle down debt and taxes?

In the last thread someone mentioned being billed for services rendered from the govt., such as the fire dept.
Comment by gabyjan from thread 'D.C. Closed Again on Tuesday and Euro Perspective'

Cinco-X wrote:

Killed by the internet, IIRC

once we're interconnected via the series of intertubes, the awareness of the ponzi scheme spreads

so, the day when we can't meet 'here' will be a day remembered in history

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Not one online retailer has to deal with their customers shoplifting from them, that's quite an advantage.

Just their employees. Smile

Seriously, I love online retailers, but it's much harder for en entrepreneur to develop a relationship with their customers through a web interface.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

Smoking doesn't cause cancer

You are right; people cause cancer!

what happened to the value added concept?

Guilt by association (to Marx). Dick Fuld must be valuable, he's "worth" millions. LEH lost tens of billions. Someone else's money...

noob goldberg
who would benefit by doing that?
could it be presidents working group?
if so what would be benefit in doing that?

volker the viking wrote:

Killed by the internet, IIRC
once we're interconnected via the series of intertubes, the awareness of the ponzi scheme spreads
so, the day when we can't meet 'here' will be a day remembered in history

China and Iran are running the Alpha and Beta test on total control of the internet by the state. Gamma test is scheduled for rollout to US and EU once the bugs are worked out.

Current government efforts are akin to someone frantically gluing all the leaves back onto a tree in autumn, because they refuse to allow the season to change.

You might be able to do it with one tree, but it takes an enormous effort. Meanwhile, all the other trees in your yard keep on shedding their leaves.

Older people need to touch and feel things before they feel confident enough to make a purchase, for the younger set, a photo will suffice.

jd
dont forget workers stealing.

Comrade Kristina wrote:

Does it? How then is it that the top 10% continuously control more and more of the wealth pie while the bottom 90% fight over what's left?

I've been consistently reminded these past few weeks of the chapter P.J. O'Rourke wrote about Albania in his economics travelogue Eat the Rich.

P.J. spends a couple dozen pages wandering through Albania c.1997, after the last of the pyramid schemes supporting the nation's "economy" had finally collapsed. The natives' response when they found out their money and their way of life had evaporated was predictable - wholesale theft, vandalism, and looting.

At the very end of the chapter, he's being driven through the Tirana countryside with his local guide, past mile after mile of burned-out buildings, abandoned property, and the like, when he asks the guide why the looting had stopped. Was it NATO restoring law and order? Promises of World Bank funds? A new elected official offering the masses hope? To which his guide responds "No" each time. Finally, P.J. gives up:

"Then what stopped the looting?"

"They were finished."

Plus ça change, plus ça le meme chose.

gabyjan wrote:

if so what would be benefit in doing that?

I don't have any idea what the benefit would be. Perhaps someone sees it as a chance to back out of a large position, who knows?

I'm just watching it keep hitting the wall, and then a bunch of volume slams it back down ten or twenty points, and then it marches right back up to the wall.

JimPortlandOR wrote:

once the bugs are worked out.

they'll need to spray for it

cinco-x
yes i mentioned it,it shocked me, just hope it doesnt catch on.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

Older people need to touch and feel things before they feel confident enough to make a purchase, for the younger set, a photo will suffice.

True, but we all get older Smile

For a very brief time, I worked at Best Buy as a pc monkey in the tech bay a long, long time ago...it wasn't just the customers shoplifting...I could not believe how many employees, including management types stole from the store. The GM did a I'm going to fire everyone speech to my department, after which I pulled him aside and informed him that I had reported this problem over 3 months ago to 3 separate assistant managers....he went ballistic on me and said I should have come to him....my response was, based on my army brat background, there was a chain of command and you put people in places of trust who are responsible. He informed me that this wasn't the army and everything should go through him...so I laid out everything I saw...which was pretty much a complete store wide culture of corruption...he immediately got nervous and I was promoted and given duties that kept me behind the tech counter all day. The sad thing is, this store was #1 in the country while I was there...makes me wonder what else was being manipulated...

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:
Older people need to touch and feel things before they feel confident enough to make a purchase, for the younger set, a photo will suffice.
This bodes well for mail-order brides...

ah ha...

One thing that makes it easy for employees of brick & mortar retailers to steal from their employers, is the idea that the retailer doesn't know who did the deed.

Take away the physical retail presence, and it's a lot harder to get away with it.

"Small business owners entered 2010 the same way they left 2009, depressed," said William Dunkelberg, NFIB chief economist. "The biggest problem continues to be a shortage of customers."

Nothing that I haven't been saying the past year. What's worse is that the customers you do have smell blood and want a discount (and getting it), which narrows margins significantly. The recession has been ongoing for 2+ years and the cash/credit burn rate for small businesses is frightening. The past year I've divided months into two categories - good and bad. In a good month I just cover expenses without dipping into reserves. In a bad month dip away. There have been more bad than good months and this is from someone who knew this was coming for several years and cut overhead to the bone.

noob, one thing I enjoy so much living in a small town is the relationships I have with local businesses. In big metro areas you are anonymous for the most part and that can be nice. But I walk into the little town restaurant here for breakfast and I don't have to ask for coffee, its sitting there for me. I go to the hardware store and I am met with friendly faces. It is a community here which I value a whole lot. People know me, my husband and my dog. heh.

Without the internet though, I'd be lost. Astronomy for example, the equipment and things I needed certainly couldn't be purchased locally. I'm comfortable with both but I know people who can't shop online, technology left them behind and I'm always ordering things for them. I worry about that with myself, thats a big fear.

Another win for the DOW 10K hat!

Just some more borrowing for the Great......

State trust funds have been decimated by the Great Recession, forcing a record 26 states to borrow a total of more than $30 billion from the federal government. The numbers are expected to grow to 40 states borrowing $90 billion by 2012, said George Wentworth, policy analyst at the National Employment Law Project.

Texas is one of the hard-hit states. Though its unemployment rate is a relatively low 8.3%, jobless claims have soared. In December, Texas paid 330,000 residents a total of $325.7 million, up from 228,000 people claiming $216.8 million a year earlier.

The state began borrowing from the feds in July to pay unemployment benefits and now owes Washington $1.6 billion, said Ann Hatchitt, spokeswoman for the Texas Workforce Commission.

Companies paying more in unemployment taxes - Feb. 9, 2010

May be short on customers
But long on Hopium

Cinco-X,

Local governments will go to new lengths to rob the public before they ever stand their ground and cut cost. To many are bound by law to give pay raises to union employees. Double dipping will be the game till the public can't pay any more, then that is when the real fun begins.

At some level, one problem that we have is that we have a retail sector that is sized to support HELOCing and CC balance carrying levels of consumer demand. For years now, we've been consuming more than we've produced, and we have the retail space to prove it. Now that consumer are unable to support ever growing debt levels, and the lenders have come to the belated realization of that fact, we simply don't need as many feet of retail space, or shopclerks as we used to.

We simply CAN'T have an economy that is based on the wealthy lending the rest of us the money to buy stuff made in China. We need more workers who turn raw materials into products of greater aggregate value and fewer financiers and retail clerks. Now I believe that the ONLY way that we can get there is for the dollar to fall significantly in value compared to other currencies. Fall until our many advantages (rule of law, lower levels of corruption, good infrastructure, easy access to raw materials etc.) allow our industrial workers to be competetive in some industries.

Five Stages Of Grief
1. Denial and Isolation.
2. Anger.
3. Bargaining.
4. Depression.
5. Acceptance.

Nanoo-Nanoo wrote:

Without the internet though, I'd be lost. Astronomy for example, the equipment and things I needed certainly couldn't be purchased locally. I'm comfortable with both but I know people who can't shop online, technology left them behind and I'm always ordering things for them. I worry about that with myself, thats a big fear.

Absolutely. I grew up in a small town, and did a lot of material purchasing for the company I worked for. A relationship where they will put down anything to give you a hand the moment you walk in the door is invaluable, and I can certainly contrast this against the tepid service I get from giant chain stores that I frequent now. However, purchasing computer equipment or replacement parts for pretty much anything was a nightmare in a small town; FedEx and the Internet are magical in that regard.

I don't believe that services are inherently less profitable economic activities than manufacturing; if anything, I'd guess profit margins are considerably higher for services firms as a whole. However, service jobs are generally lower-paying, which means that much less of the profit generated by the company returns to the economy in the form of consumer spending. That's a problem in a country whose economy depends on a steadily growing rate of consumer spending.

km4 wrote: May be short on customers But long on Hopium

Doug Kass: The US Consumer Is Sick And You Should Go Short Retail With Impunity

Caveat: this notion doesn't seem to be working out too well - at least this AM

RTH +$0.58 +0.6%

XRT +$0.30 +.87%

km4
so where are we now?
im on acceptance,dont like it but i accept it try to live with it. thats the way it goes.

I used to administer honesty tests to my employees, i'd allow them ample opportunity to steal from me in a carefully choreographed scenario that practically screamed "steal from me".

2 weeks after I hired them was when I found out if they were honest or not.

noob, I meant to tell you that you made me laugh really hard several days ago talking about the cold and the frozen milk in your trunk. Been there and DONE that. ha.

You'll also relate to this. We've got really HARD frozen ground, not as much snowpack as usual but we had a rain event a week or so ago on top of the snow. I live in the mtns and on a slope. The rain was hard, the water had no where to go but...in my basement. UGH, what a mess. Over 4" and we ran out to get a sump pump for the first time as that basement is usually bone dry. Living in the arctic (and you are colder and snowier than I am) can be adventurous. I'll take it over tornadoes though..I'd much rather push snow around.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

I used to administer honesty tests to my employees, i'd allow them ample opportunity to steal from me in a carefully choreographed scenario that practically screamed "steal from me".

I never stole from my employer for at least the first month. Tongue

TM up, WMT down. Looks rational to me.

I like CR's verbiage. I think we should change the spelling of recovery to "recovery".

@gabyjan (profile) wrote (in reply to...) on Tue, 2/9/2010 - 8:01 am
km4 so where are we now?
im on acceptance,dont like it but i accept it try to live with it. thats the way it goes.

You are rare...I think still mostly in stages 2 -4 because of 30+ yrs of conditioning from MSM and politicians about false change and hope as the middle class has been getting pounded along the way....

"I wonder if there has ever been a society so badly deluded as ours"....James Howard Kunstler

shill wrote:

Something is up ( err down ) dollar dropping big time and Gold up $10

That would be Greece bailout rumors, mon amis. I've been reading them all day here in the Middle East while you were sleeping.

Why Sovereign Debt Pain Has Only Just Started - Yahoo! Finance

On Tuesday February 9, 2010, 8:57 am EST

Let's play a game. I'll remove a few words from the following piece of debt market research and you guess which country the strategist author is talking about.

"The country urgently needs a credible and enforceable austerity plan - the worry for **** investors is that, despite all the **** posturing, politicians still fail to grasp the magnitude of the problem. Repercussions could be severe - the bond vigilantes are hovering and the backdrop is ever threatening ..."

Greece? Spain? Portugal?

Actually, it is the UK that Schroders' Head of European & UK Interest Rate Strategies David Scammell is talking about. But, quite frankly, he could have been talking about any number of countries both in the European Union and beyond. And that is the problem.

We have become used to this kind of concern at the so-called 'peripheral' euro zone members. But maybe we need to get real, even if the politicians won't, and realize that the pain has only just started in a host of Western countries. -More-

Nanoo-Nanoo wrote:

I'm comfortable with both but I know people who can't shop online, technology left them behind and I'm always ordering things for them. I worry about that with myself, thats a big fear.

You're not alone. The minds of humans as a species are not equipped to deal with the pace of change that technology has brought about these past two decades. I'm only in my mid-30s, been around computers my whole life, and even I feel like I'm swimming upstream when I sit down with Millennials.

I don't welcome a depression, but I often feel that, if nothing else, it would give our society a decade or so to digest all the innovations and changes of the past 25 years so that we could move forward from there in a more cohesive manner. Because if you project the pace of change out from here without a break, it seems inevitable that in another 20 years you won't be able to survive without intense specialization - not just in your career, but in every walk of life.

And as a self-styled Renaissance man, that notion offends me. Smile

We're going to need to go into medical metaphors: 'recovery' means the patient gets to leave the hospital. This patient isn't even stable and still in ICU awaiting MAJOR surgery as a last resort.

Mook wrote:

I don't welcome a depression, but I often feel that, if nothing else, it would give our society a decade or so to digest all the innovations and changes

Much like the Dark Ages were to the Roman Empire....

Wholesalers' Report

Inventories: DEC -0.8% NOV +1.6%r ! Consensus: +0.5% !
Sales: DEC +0.8% NOV +3.6%r ! Actual: -0.8%

You'd never administer the honesty test right away, and a lot of things can go missing in a month's time, so a fortnight is just right.

Nanoo-Nanoo wrote:

Over 4" and we ran out to get a sump pump for the first time as that basement is usually bone dry. Living in the arctic (and you are colder and snowier than I am) can be adventurous.

Our sump pump has been running daily since we had a rainfall a few weeks ago. If it ever quit working we'd be completely screwed, as we use our basement as additional living space, and that's where the kids spend most of the day playing. Most of the electronics is up off the floor, and it's not enough flow to add more than an inch before we'd notice it, but it would make a terrible mess with the carpets and furniture.

WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--U.S. wholesale inventories fell by 0.8% in December, while sales increased by 0.8%, the Commerce Department said Tuesday. Wall Street economists had expected a 0.5% increase in December wholesale inventories.

Cinco-X wrote:

Much like the Dark Ages were to the Roman Empire

naw, with all the tech in place and the flow of info, we could chop it down to forty or fifty years

Mook,

Do you see this requirement for intense specialization leading to a breakdown in the English language...or more of a splintering....I am already seeing it...I talk about The Tower of Babel meme a lot, but I think we're living in it...everything was brought together by technology and now the pace of change will put up barriers between groups not based on geography but job specialization of all things..

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

You'd never administer the honesty test right away, and a lot of things can go missing in a month's time, so a fortnight is just right.

I wouldn't be able to work for you, JD, you're too clever. I need bosses who are easily baffled by BS.

Rome didn't burn in a day - oh wait

volker the viking wrote:

naw, with all the tech in place and the flow of info, we could chop it down to forty or fifty years

......and with all that "tech & info flow", give me a detailed & studied plan on climate change and the rebuilding of the Temple, will ya? :grin:

That's like a 14 point swing in a football game...

You can't sell from an empty cart.

"There is no free lunch for the creature comforts delivered by the corporation. The ravaging of nature, the erosion of economic security, the destabilization of the family, the commercialization of all human relationships, the corruption of democracy, and the dissipation of spiritual meaning in the face of rampant materialism - these are all part of the cost of the corporate system as we know it. And they add up to a very high price to pay for the bounty of the great American shopping mall."--

Charles Derber, Corporation Nation

Fixing Seasons of California Discontent - WSJ.com

The prospect of more California-statehouse dysfunction this year is adding momentum to two efforts to overhaul California's budget process—including one that could rewrite much of the state's constitution.

Thanks Mook, you know that makes me feel better that its not just us 50+ somethings worried about it. I'm used to be an 'early adopter' but that has changed as there just some stuff that I just plain don't even want (or need). I don't know what I'm going to do when it requires a 'subscription' for your fridge and dishwasher to work. I've learned to wait, rush to market for a plethora of things now means paying more for something that still has too many bugs, this is even true with pharma and more important products. I'm a lot more patient now than I used to be, I suppose that makes me a recovering dork. Wink

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

That's like a 14 point swing in a football game...

The market got all greenshootie there for a minute on the news. Almost hit +150 before someone pulled in the reins. We're never going to hit +200 points at this rate Sad

As it turns out, the most promising employees I had were also the most likely to steal from me...

Should make those radio operators happy. Going to be an interesting year for sun watchers.

THANKS! Gabyjan...I've been watching that. I was telling one of my astronomy buddies that I missed aurora..hopefully this one will produce one for me, its been a long time! Then of course, I'll need some clear skies too.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

As it turns out, the most promising employees I had were also the most likely to steal from me...

If I wanted something from my boss, I'd just ask. They'd usually give it to me.

But I'd never ask the accountant/bookkeeper, or there'd be 15 forms filled in triplicate before you could 'steal' a pen. And then it'd show up as a taxable benefit on my paystub.

Vonbek777 wrote:

Do you see this requirement for intense specialization leading to a breakdown in the English language...or more of a splintering....I am already seeing it...I talk about The Tower of Babel meme a lot, but I think we're living in it...

I spent many hours railing against this very prospect earlier in my adulthood, but the more I think about it the less I fear it.

Because I think, instead of a "breakdown", it's very likely that there will be "two English languages" in a generation's time ... a more staid "formal English" used in the news and literature and an ever-transmogrifying "common English" used in conversation. Specialties, generations, etc. (not just geographies) may come up with their own dialects and slang in the common language as it branches ever outward, but it will be understood and accepted that communications to society as a whole are done using "formal English".

I can think of a lot of situations in today's world where I'd actually welcome that development.

It's important for the powers that be to have the DJIA dance around the 10k mark, up and down and sideways. The public views the financial proceedings almost like you'd follow your favorite sporting team, sadly.

Juvenal Delinquent wrote:

It's important for the powers that be to have the DJIA dance around the 10k mark, up and down and sideways. The public views the financial proceedings almost like you'd follow your favorite sporting team, sadly.

I think our team needs to make a couple of trades. We're a little weak on defence.

noob goldberg
ask,yep thats what i did, if they yes Big smile if they said no,shug and go about my business after saying thank you.

I am divided on this point. In general I think you are right. The few times I got to work on the floor...I didn't try to sell anything....I guess it is because of my high empathy...but I just talked to customer and tried to figure out what they really wanted...I always made a sell. Problem was I didn't move the inventory the store wanted, even though I usually sold higher grade gear because I was honest about the lower end stuff being junk. I also didn't push the store protection plan, but I did explain what the warranty covered, how long it was, and the reputation of the customer service department...and that usually resulted in a sell of the protection plan...which really wasn't my intention truth be told...I left because of the protection plan...had really bad moral crisis over what was going on.

I just asked my boss for a race car. She (wife) said no. Never make promises, you will regret.

Mook wrote:
Because I think, instead of a "breakdown", it's very likely that there will be "two English languages" in a generation's time ... a more staid "formal English" used in the news and literature and an ever-transmogrifying "common English"
High German and Low German... Hieroglyphics and Coptic Smile The more things change...

To minimize irritating people with market data, I'll throw this after the pig, but volume today is even lower than yesterday, and yesterday was incredibly weak.

"Terrorists are not 100-feet tall. Nor do they deserve the abject fear they seek to instill." (from ABC linkee)

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...a depression...would give our society a decade or so to digest all the innovations and changes of the past 25 years so that we could move forward from there in a more cohesive manner.

I doubt we'll have that luxury.

OT...a bit Maybe you greybeards & whiz-kids can deconstruct the following for me.....

A zero basis risk swap, or ZEBRA, is a specialized type of swap for municipalities. The zero basis risk swap is an agreement between a municipality and a financial intermediary. Also known as "perfect swap" or "actual rate swap," a zero basis risk swap has the municipality pay out fixed interest and take in floating interest. The floating rate the municipality receives on zero basis risk swap equals the rate on public outstanding floating-rate debt already issued by the municipality that engages in the zero basis risk swap. Basis risk is the risk factor of uncorrelated hedging, and in a zero basis risk swap this risk is zero because the zero basis risk swaps risk is perfectly correlated by definition. A zero basis risk swap can help cities plan annual budgets without worrying about changes in interest rates.

Anak wrote:

Sorry, putting the children to bed . . . yes when the futures price deviates too much from the cash price you face basis risk, which cannot be hedged and is deadly. Just when you think you're hedging, you're actually laying on more risk. Would be hedgers gradually no longer use futures to hedge, or their banks stop asking them to hedge, because the futures are no longer protection. Their money goes away and the futures market turns into a casino, spec vs spec. True breakdown of its social function. Futures markets in China are like that today.

" Investors begin to look at the derivatives markets to make a decision to buy or sell securities and so what was originally meant to be a market to transfer risk now becomes a leading indicator." Wiki

Which, in and of itself, would not be bad, except that herd behavior chases the indicator....

noob goldberg wrote:

Anak wrote:
Would be hedgers gradually no longer use futures to hedge, or their banks stop asking them to hedge, because the futures are no longer protection. Their money goes away and the futures market turns into a casino, spec vs spec.
We're pretty much there. The proportion of actual hedgers has shrunk dramatically over the past decade. Large institutional players account for something like 70% of the pie now, when they used to only account for maybe 20. I'll have to look up the numbers.

" Investors begin to look at the derivatives markets to make a decision to buy or sell securities and so what was originally meant to be a market to transfer risk now becomes a leading indicator." Wiki

Which, in and of itself, would not be bad, except that herd behavior chases the indicator....

shill wrote:

Cinco ....Pheasant Lane Mall is a shadow of it's former self for sure....tic tic tic

Peasant lane.....IFIFY, couldn't resist

JimPortlandOR wrote:

A small bark from China that they have alternatives to buying US treasuries.

Not without breaking the peg...

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