Ok the double dip recession is now locked in, with unemployment remaining as an on-going 5+ year threat, housing inventory problems that will not go away for years and of course, trillions that vanished -- and now, to top that off --
The Treasury will offer $2.43 trillion of government securities this year, the most ever and a 16 percent increase from 2009, according to the average forecasts of 10 bond-trading companies. U.S. officials said last week that they’ve increased the auction sizes enough to fund the budget deficit.
Corporate borrowing costs are rising at the fastest pace in more than two months on concern that worsening government finances will slow the global economy and make it harder for companies to meet debt payments.
Look up to the second floor of those strip malls, and there are also more "For Lease" signs taped to the windows of empty offices than ever before, local Realtors and lease brokers said.
The two-year-old economic downturn has altered the commercial real estate landscape here for years to come, they said. Since commercial real estate typically trails residential sales and rentals (People always need a roof over their head, one expert explained.), it may be two more years before commercial space is again at a premium on Maui.
And it could be years more before expansions and new shopping centers planned long ago finally get built.
With the stores and restaurants that closed, we were aware of their struggles ahead of time," she said. "Most of them just held on as long as they could after the holidays. We may also see some more corporate bankruptcies soon, too (of franchises)."
C-SPAN2 was mildly interesting this weekend with an interview with Stiglitz who said the FED helped cause this mess...also a repeat from Dec. of Timothy Carney who wrote 'Obamanomics'...and also Paul Johnson, a historian, who said that Keynes would not have approved of hugh govt. deficits or 'vulgar Keynesianism'...
1.) Closer ties with China are inevitable. Taiwan's economy is completely dependent on China. Ma won the election not because people wanted better political ties with China, but because people were tired of the economy suffering from too much anti-China posturing.
2.) Taiwan's president is as much a pro-unificationist as Obama is a socialist. Maybe deep down he is, but most of that label is just opposition political mud slinging to pre-emptively keep him from moving in that direction.
Taiwan is going to buy arms from the US and China will bitch. China will keep Taiwan out of some international organization and Taiwan will bitch. And the status quo will go on.
The big flash point in the relationship will be if China blows up economically. There's a real danger that either Taiwan sees an opportunity to go for full on independence while China is occupied, or China invades Taiwan to distract the angry populace with nationalism. Until then, I see nothing changing regardless of the cross straits outrage of the week.
Carney who wrote 'Obamanomics' warns people to beware of BIG business as well as Big Govt...because the two work together in 'revolving doors' of govt./big biz lobbyists. People (voters) on the Right tend to focus on the Big Govt. aspect but don't focus on Big Biz as much which they should since it's the lobbying connection that gets the favors and the special treatment from the politicians...Stiglitz on CSPAN2 was mentioning how the economic and financial 'reforms' coming have been watered down and eviscerated...which ties into what Carney was talking about...
"Commercial rents were down 36% in October from a year earlier and were 44% below the peak in October 2007, according to Moody's Investors Service Inc. In addition, the national office market's vacancy rate is expected to rise as high as 19% by the end of 2010, the highest on record since Grubb & Ellis Co. began tracking the national market in 1986."
Paul Johnson, the historian, asked that when Obama (or Gordon Brown) for example promotes more govt. deficits...that he should consider if he'd run his family finances that way...that overspending will result in the family budget going bust...same with govt. over-spending...
Oxtail
thanks for that. With respect to unification though, I think it comes down to on what terms with what assurances. The sense I get is that Taiwan just wants to be able to keep doing what it already is, if they had a guarantee of that they wouldn't mind changing the flag. Like one step further than Hong Kong. Which would mean indefinite stasis if taking over Taiwan wasn't the holy grail of mainland populism. When the issue does come up I wouldn't expect the US 7th fleet to be intervening, Taiwan is much more likely to be sold out from within.
French and Swiss banks have some exposure (private sector loans & govt. bonds) to Greece...UK banks to Ireland...and German banks to Spain...but MrM was saying on another thread this debt will likely just be restructured with no outright default...so no problem...kick the can...
Taiwanese politics is extremely loud and uh...colorful. People there are much more tuned in to politics than here in the West. Good in some respects, but the populace also tends to get a little over-polarized about the whole China thing. The prospect of a Chinese takeover always hangs in the air, and the politicians have to carefully navigate around local suspicions and prejudices. Even Ma had to give some campaign speeches in the Taiwanese dialect(instead of the official Mandarin) to prove his Taiwanese-ness to large parts of the population.
The polarized electorate helps keep politicians on a tight leash. Without effective one-party control or a willing population, I don't think a bloodless sell-out would be feasible.
Also keep in mind that every year that passes fewer and fewer Taiwanese have attachments to China. In the 70's and 80's, many of the people in power were born in China and still considered it their homeland. Kids of KMT supporters with unificationist leanings are growing up Taiwanese these days and think of Taiwan as home.
I think the Taiwan/China issue is less pressing today than it was 10 years ago. I'd be more worried about a collapsing North Korea launching nukes at Seoul.
Of course if the Chinese economy blows up, all bets are off.
Paulson during House Hearing on TARP:
"I think the best way we can protect the taxpayer is, first of all, that the American people will benefit by having the credit they need..."
Yeah...yeah...the Chinese economy...connected to the global economy...sooooo...financial crisis/currency problems...
Not much talk any more about the gold market...if there's enough physical gold to cover the paper gold contracts...what's causing the slide in gold when it should be going up...the topic of gold has seemed to vanish...'cept for shill mentions it's going up...
Bernanke: "The secrete to having a strong dollar is to have an economy that is growing and is an attratctive place to invest. People are not going to want to invest where the financial system is unstable and the economy is not growing. So I think this is the best strategy in the medium term for getting a stronger dollar and the best strategy for helping our economy grow and recover. I do not think this economy can recover when the financial markets are in such dire straits."
BB is scheduled to testify on Wed. about pulling the plug on the stimulus or the next phased in leg down...leading to the Great Deflation...which he has expertise in...
The secrete to having a strong dollar is to have an economy that is growing and is an attratctive place to invest.
This is the old spend and borrow more forever routine. I am sure it's all sustainable. No need for a change in course.
For a smart guy, Bernanke sure seems not to 'get it'. From his point of view, the problem wasn't a credit explosion that blew a bubble, but rather an unnecessary and reversible hiccup in the growth of asset values and debt at rates well in excess of the economy. After all, there is no bubble, there was no bubble, and money was not too cheap or too easy.
The world's top central bankers began arriving in Australia yesterday as renewed fears about the strength of the global economic recovery gripped world share markets.
Representatives from 24 central banks and monetary authorities including the US Federal Reserve and European Central Bank landed in Sydney to meet tomorrow at a secret location, the Herald Sun reports.
Organised by the Bank for International Settlements last year, the two-day talks are shrouded in secrecy with high-level security believed to have been invoked by law enforcement agencies.
The billionaire international investors who want (possibly?) undeliverable gold delivery maybe think it's their thing...especially if they can't get their physical gold...so maybe some jitters in the gold markets...that of course aren't manipulated...
'secrecy'...oh no you must be mistaken...that would be the dreaded tinfoil thinking...the report can't be trusted...central bankers aren't organized or networked nor do they operate in synchronicity...no...no...don't you know...it can't be!
post-G7 finance meeting in Iqaluit, post-BIS meeting in Sydney.... how much longer until there is some half-hearted effort to quell investor fears with the EU, a Greek budget ring fence? guaranteed EU bonds in exchange for fiscal consolidation? some tap-dancing?
This is all from September 24 hearing where Bernanke and Paulson pitched TARP togteher: Mr. BERNANKE. Well, first, I am not comparing the current situation with the Great Depression, but a lot of what you said, there is some relevance. In particular, the Great Depression was triggered by a series of financial crises. Stock market crash, collapse of the banks, and the effects on credit and on money were a very big part of what happened then.
Now we have a very, very different financial system. It is much more sophisticated and complicated, it is much more global. We also have a much bigger and more diversified economy. But what that episode illustrates, as do many other episodes in history, is that when the financial system becomes dysfunctional, the effects on the real economy are very palpable.
Agreed. And it is notable that pressure had come off even by the G20 London Summit last April. The 9 March mega coordinated multi-sector bounce was parlayed into "steady on, lads, we're on this". Peak panic was over, resolve collapsed.
Mr. MEEKS. Okay. But again, why wouldn’t they want to then
not replace the loss of shareholder value first before lending out
money? Since they lost it, why wouldn’t they want to replace their
shareholder value first as opposed to lending out money once
they—
Mr. BERNANKE. They maximize their shareholder value by mak-
ing good loans, and that is their business. That makes them valu-
able.
In Ben's case this is disturbingly on point. From a linguistics perspective, it doesn't fulfil the necessary conditions - the illocutionary force - of a lie, in sum a knowing untruth designed to mislead, usu with malicious intent. The statement, and many like it, have parts of the equation but they don't sum. Parts may be untrue, but no knowingly so. Or knowingly arguable, subjectively verifiable according to speaking position, but not designed to mislead. Or if designed to persuade and influence, then not in a knowingly malicious fashion, even though the effect may well be malign.
I'm not comforted at all by this guy being in, and retaining, his position.
The USD has risen as much in 2 months as it took 5-6 months to fall
too much is happening too fast without any real underlying change in views
investors are begging to take a breather, they just need a nudge to encourage concerted action and safety in numbers
things have fallen, but everything including oil is still within what would be a comfortable decline and a perfect buying opportunity for the improvements of fund inflows
step aside from the political headlines, and the economic data are still setting post-global financial crisis records for improvement
yes depending on the specific part of the world the writing is on the wall for credit expansions being limited by inflation worries, or fiscal expansions being limited by balance sheet worries... but look at interest rate expectations, the steepness on yield curves
the only way this makes sense to the majority of investment controllers is if it's just a expected mild pullback, it's not like the EU would ever be punished financially if it just let Greece declare bankruptcy, on the whole there's no where else to turn to instead, only liquidity disruptions have much power for now
in a few years it comes down to debt repayment and stagnation/decline or debt abandonment and growth (or neither if debt levels are stable and income is not vulnerable to trading partners who are unstable)
regardless of whatever may be signalled today, investors will lap up any and all growth exposure on the market despite a likely checkered credit history
the key factor that matters is how the different generations within a country will handle everything
WTF? Does he get to decorate his office with outlandish trash cans and commodes? He's like a bad cursed penny. I guess the BOD does not get out much. I wonder how much his golden parachute is good for this time, for when he fails?
I like ISSA for the Ranking member on the House committee... he doesn't seem afraid to go after Bush/Paulson/Geithner... even though he is a Republican...
Lewis will take down both Paulson and Geithner if given the chance. House Oversight committee has had 6 hearings on the Merrill-Bank of America merger.
Need I remind everyone that CIT is the biggest recipient of TARP money to go under...
The USD has risen as much in 2 months as it took 5-6 months to fall
too much is happening too fast without any real underlying change in views...
There must be a lot of big moves going on in the shadow CDS markets, that normal investors, and probably the gov. can't really see. I'll wager someone TBTF is going to end up BK without any warning. I suspect it will be like AIG, nationalized overnight with the gov on the hook for the $$$. Funneled to the counterparties at 100 cents on the dollar, of course.
wait until America wakes up and takes over
The New Orleans Saints won the superbowl and the federal government is frozen, both are bullish indicators
again, more like the start of 2008 than fall, summer, or even spring 2008
and it's a Monday
and central bankers just spent the weekend meeting with each other in person -- the only possible consensus they can ever form as a group are in ways to be supportive of financial markets
if the markets aren't ebullient, I'm going to have to look for my reflection in a mirror or try to achieve spontaneous flight
EHP during the Asian crisis Malaysia defied conventional wisdom by instituting capital controls and all the terrible things that the financial pundits said would happen didn't - in fact Malaysia did better rather than worse. Argentina defaulted and it too didn't suffer after doing so. If Greece a member of the EU defaults that could really set the precedent for others. That has to be a truly scary proposition.
Double dip was bound to happen, you can only delay the inevitable not prevent it. There was no way to re-inflate the bubble and we are seeing the second act of this opera play out. I know my "investments" these days are in paying down debt. At the rate I'm going our family of 4 with a nice, modest, home will be debt free in a year or two. The banks have brought this on themselves by offering no decent returns anywhere.
The USD has risen as much in 2 months as it took 5-6 months to fall
too much is happening too fast without any real underlying change in views...
There must be a lot of big moves going on in the shadow CDS markets, that normal investors, and probably the gov. can't really see. I'll wager someone TBTF is going to end up BK without any warning. I suspect it will be like AIG, nationalized overnight with the gov on the hook for the $$$. Funneled to the counterparties at 100 cents on the dollar, of course.
This of course assumes it's not a sovereign default. One of the PIIGS, perhaps?
Good morning everyone. Your Saints won HomeGnome! I had a very weird dream last night. My wife and I were living in a broom closet in a Chinese Hospital. It was unused, and we would sneak out at night and raid the cafeteria. We were scared to death because we didn't have our passports and the risk of discovery was growing everyday. A dream filled with great dread. Hate waking up with a sense of dread. This one was interesting because I was aware I was dreaming, observation mode, but I couldn't do anything about the dream...
Taiwan is going to buy arms from the US and China will bitch. China will keep Taiwan out of some international organization and Taiwan will bitch. And the status quo will go on.
I was living in Taipei in the mid 90s when they were having some of their first elections and China was consequently doing military maneuvers off their coast and other saber rattling actions.
One day Taiwan was testing a missle, ph%&*ed up, and hit a villiage on the mainland in Fujian killing some fisherfolk. We all thought the SWHTF, but it was a legitimate error and not part of the official saber rattling.
The whole thing was downplayed and forgotten about almost immediately.
Double dip was bound to happen, you can only delay the inevitable not prevent it.
You make it sound as if it already happened. I'm not as sure as you seem to be. Show me an spx break below 1030, and I'll come on board as a bear. Meantime I'll watch.
The BLS has seriously underreported job losses for the past two years due to their flawed methodology. TrimTabs has identified the following four problems:
The BLS employment estimate is based on a survey, and not on an actual count of employees
. While the BLS survey is large and supposedly designed to capture the complex nature of the employment market, it is still a survey and therefore subject to error. TrimTabs believes that rapid changes in an employment cycle cannot be captured by surveys.
Several times a year, the BLS applies enormous seasonal adjustments to their survey results to account for seasonal fluctuations in the job market. For example, this January, the BLS added 1.92 million jobs to their survey results to report a job loss of 20,000 to account for the layoff of retail holiday workers. In our opinion, the sheer magnitude of the seasonal adjustment which dwarfs the monthly result renders this month’s job loss estimate meaningless.
At the time of the first release, only 40% to 60% of the BLS survey is complete and is subject to large revisions over the next two months.
The BLS applies a mysterious “birth/death” adjustment to their survey results to account for business openings and closings. While the payroll data was adjusted substantially, the “birth/death” adjustments were left unchanged. In 2008 and 2009, the BLS’ “birth/death” adjustment added 904,000 and 882,000 jobs, respectively, for a total of 1.79 million. By way of comparison, in 2006 and 2007, the BLS’ “birth/death” adjustment added 964,000 and 1.13 million jobs, respectively. We find it highly unlikely that in 2008 and 2009, during the worst recession since the 1930’s, more businesses opened than closed netting 1.79 million jobs.
I heard other financial brobdingnagins are looking to pick up CEO has-beens, so probably Stan O'Neal's phone has been ringing off the hook, i'd imagine.
How about some Yeats this morning....this one was going through by head last night too...
The Stolen Child
Where dips the rocky highland
Of Sleuth Wood in the lake,
There lies a leafy island
Where flapping herons wake
The drowsy water rats;
There we've hid our faery vats,
Full of berrys
And of reddest stolen cherries.
Come away, O human child!
To the waters and the wild
With a faery, hand in hand,
For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand.
Where the wave of moonlight glosses
The dim gray sands with light,
Far off by furthest Rosses
We foot it all the night,
Weaving olden dances
Mingling hands and mingling glances
Till the moon has taken flight;
To and fro we leap
And chase the frothy bubbles,
While the world is full of troubles
And anxious in its sleep.
Come away, O human child!
To the waters and the wild
With a faery, hand in hand,
For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand.
Where the wandering water gushes
From the hills above Glen-Car,
In pools among the rushes
That scarce could bathe a star,
We seek for slumbering trout
And whispering in their ears
Give them unquiet dreams;
Leaning softly out
From ferns that drop their tears
Over the young streams.
Come away, O human child!
To the waters and the wild
With a faery, hand in hand,
For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand.
Away with us he's going,
The solemn-eyed:
He'll hear no more the lowing
Of the calves on the warm hillside
Or the kettle on the hob
Sing peace into his breast,
Or see the brown mice bob
Round and round the oatmeal chest.
For he comes, the human child,
To the waters and the wild
With a faery, hand in hand,
For the world's more full of weeping than he can understand.
Good Morning......the Saints wanted it more than the Colts and kept getting stronger throughout the game.....while I cooked the steak and shrimp for the customers while eating half of it......Fun Day!
By TIM PARADIS
NEW YORK (AP) - The threats seem to be coming from all directions.
Jittery stock traders react to each day's news as if it could be the start of Financial Crisis 2.0. On Thursday, the Standard & Poor's 500 index suffered its biggest one-day drop in more than nine months because of worries about debt problems in Greece, Portugal and Spain. Concerns about China's plans to limit economic growth and proposed regulatory bank changes from Washington also have pummeled the market.
The fears aren't as intense as in 2008, when the S&P 500 fell 38.5 percent. But January was the worst month for the market since it began its recovery last March. And the S&P 500 has fallen 7.3 percent from the high of 1,150.23 it reached Jan. 19.
Good Morning......the Saints wanted it more than the Colts and kept getting stronger throughout the game.....while I cooked the steak and shrimp for the customers while eating half of it......Fun Day!
Man I missed the most of the first half...was cooking steaks myself. Had a huge wind gust and all my steaks started burning...I managed to save them mostly, but the garlic bread was toast......by the time I got back to them, they were charred beyond recognition. What I get for trying to grill in windy weather.
Surely there's a quick fix.
Oh, were only that the case.
The key to boosting employment quickly is to help small businesses.
New jobs come from both small and big businesses. From 1987 through 2005, nearly a third of the net new jobs were created by businesses that each employed more than 500 workers.
High-tech jobs will solve the problem.
There is a lot of talk these days about green businesses, biotechnology and other emerging industries that will create the jobs of the future. While they are obviously part of the solution, these industries are too small to create the millions of jobs that are needed right away.
Higher productivity -- when an economy produces more goods and services per worker -- kills jobs.
Not so. While productivity growth means that individual companies may need fewer employees in the short term, it spurs long-term gains in the economy as a whole.
Increasing exports will revive manufacturing employment.
Maybe for some companies in some industries, but not for the economy overall. While it's painful to accept, reducing unemployment is not mainly about regaining the jobs that have been lost.
....the winds that seem to start up about the time I always fire up the bbq, prompted us to set up TWO cooking areas - one on the east side of the kitchen and one on the north side as well - now no "blow-outs" - one area is always out of the wind.
A new paper by Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff, professors of economics at the University of Maryland and Harvard University respectively, covers the experience of 44 countries over 200 years and concludes, “Our main finding is that across both advanced countries and emerging markets, high debt/GDP levels (90 percent and above) are associated with notably lower growth outcomes…. Seldom do countries simply ‘grow’ their way out of deep debt burdens.” If you are the worrying sort, add to these your answer to a question put by Larry Summers, now the president’s economic adviser but at the time free to speak his mind, “How long can the world’s biggest borrower remain the world’s biggest power?” Efforts to reach Mr. Summers to obtain his current answer to his question proved unavailing.
I'm so bored being first
I'm going to bed.
Can I haz some
plz?
.
Also sum USD/JPY 88 handle
Looks like
is going to tour Europe this morning.
This chart looks like a dead trout
^GSPC: Basic Chart for S&P 500 INDEX,RTH - Yahoo! Finance
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mp, reply @ Comment by EvilHenryPaulson from thread 'New Housing Bubble in Canada?'
Finally, a valid reason for Kermit.
OK - I'm not really that cynical but always ready for the cheap shot.
Okay. Done my 30 minutes of practicing sitting seiza. Time to lay down and rest up for a new work week.
Ok the double dip recession is now locked in, with unemployment remaining as an on-going 5+ year threat, housing inventory problems that will not go away for years and of course, trillions that vanished -- and now, to top that off --
The Treasury will offer $2.43 trillion of government securities this year, the most ever and a 16 percent increase from 2009, according to the average forecasts of 10 bond-trading companies. U.S. officials said last week that they’ve increased the auction sizes enough to fund the budget deficit.
Treasuries Snap Rally Before Record-Tying $81 Billion of Sales - Bloomberg.com
We are so screwed for a looong time!
Ten-year yields may fall to 3.45 percent by the end of March, he said
Corporate Bond Spreads Rise Most Since November: Credit Markets - BusinessWeek
Corporate borrowing costs are rising at the fastest pace in more than two months on concern that worsening government finances will slow the global economy and make it harder for companies to meet debt payments.
Vacant stores are sign of times - Mauinews.com | News, Sports, Jobs, Visitor's Information - The Maui News
Look up to the second floor of those strip malls, and there are also more "For Lease" signs taped to the windows of empty offices than ever before, local Realtors and lease brokers said.
The two-year-old economic downturn has altered the commercial real estate landscape here for years to come, they said. Since commercial real estate typically trails residential sales and rentals (People always need a roof over their head, one expert explained.), it may be two more years before commercial space is again at a premium on Maui.
And it could be years more before expansions and new shopping centers planned long ago finally get built.
With the stores and restaurants that closed, we were aware of their struggles ahead of time," she said. "Most of them just held on as long as they could after the holidays. We may also see some more corporate bankruptcies soon, too (of franchises)."
Well I am making shit on my money markets and the Dow is above 10k, something has got to give.
C-SPAN2 was mildly interesting this weekend with an interview with Stiglitz who said the FED helped cause this mess...also a repeat from Dec. of Timothy Carney who wrote 'Obamanomics'...and also Paul Johnson, a historian, who said that Keynes would not have approved of hugh govt. deficits or 'vulgar Keynesianism'...
Congrats Saints!
Few points on Taiwan:
1.) Closer ties with China are inevitable. Taiwan's economy is completely dependent on China. Ma won the election not because people wanted better political ties with China, but because people were tired of the economy suffering from too much anti-China posturing.
2.) Taiwan's president is as much a pro-unificationist as Obama is a socialist. Maybe deep down he is, but most of that label is just opposition political mud slinging to pre-emptively keep him from moving in that direction.
Taiwan is going to buy arms from the US and China will bitch. China will keep Taiwan out of some international organization and Taiwan will bitch. And the status quo will go on.
The big flash point in the relationship will be if China blows up economically. There's a real danger that either Taiwan sees an opportunity to go for full on independence while China is occupied, or China invades Taiwan to distract the angry populace with nationalism. Until then, I see nothing changing regardless of the cross straits outrage of the week.
Carney who wrote 'Obamanomics' warns people to beware of BIG business as well as Big Govt...because the two work together in 'revolving doors' of govt./big biz lobbyists. People (voters) on the Right tend to focus on the Big Govt. aspect but don't focus on Big Biz as much which they should since it's the lobbying connection that gets the favors and the special treatment from the politicians...Stiglitz on CSPAN2 was mentioning how the economic and financial 'reforms' coming have been watered down and eviscerated...which ties into what Carney was talking about...
LATE NIGHT BONUS FEATURE:
"Commercial rents were down 36% in October from a year earlier and were 44% below the peak in October 2007, according to Moody's Investors Service Inc. In addition, the national office market's vacancy rate is expected to rise as high as 19% by the end of 2010, the highest on record since Grubb & Ellis Co. began tracking the national market in 1986."
Paul Johnson, the historian, asked that when Obama (or Gordon Brown) for example promotes more govt. deficits...that he should consider if he'd run his family finances that way...that overspending will result in the family budget going bust...same with govt. over-spending...
Oxtail
thanks for that. With respect to unification though, I think it comes down to on what terms with what assurances. The sense I get is that Taiwan just wants to be able to keep doing what it already is, if they had a guarantee of that they wouldn't mind changing the flag. Like one step further than Hong Kong. Which would mean indefinite stasis if taking over Taiwan wasn't the holy grail of mainland populism. When the issue does come up I wouldn't expect the US 7th fleet to be intervening, Taiwan is much more likely to be sold out from within.
Cash is currency!
US futes dipping nicely.
But Yerp looks in for some pain, Stoxx futures down 2.55%, CAC40 catching a 3.45% wave deep into elmo territory.
Ouch.
C
Volitility (fear) index may be rising. With the recovery underway...how is this happening? Doesn't make sense.
French and Swiss banks have some exposure (private sector loans & govt. bonds) to Greece...UK banks to Ireland...and German banks to Spain...but MrM was saying on another thread this debt will likely just be restructured with no outright default...so no problem...kick the can...
Taiwanese politics is extremely loud and uh...colorful. People there are much more tuned in to politics than here in the West. Good in some respects, but the populace also tends to get a little over-polarized about the whole China thing. The prospect of a Chinese takeover always hangs in the air, and the politicians have to carefully navigate around local suspicions and prejudices. Even Ma had to give some campaign speeches in the Taiwanese dialect(instead of the official Mandarin) to prove his Taiwanese-ness to large parts of the population.
The polarized electorate helps keep politicians on a tight leash. Without effective one-party control or a willing population, I don't think a bloodless sell-out would be feasible.
Also keep in mind that every year that passes fewer and fewer Taiwanese have attachments to China. In the 70's and 80's, many of the people in power were born in China and still considered it their homeland. Kids of KMT supporters with unificationist leanings are growing up Taiwanese these days and think of Taiwan as home.
I think the Taiwan/China issue is less pressing today than it was 10 years ago. I'd be more worried about a collapsing North Korea launching nukes at Seoul.
Of course if the Chinese economy blows up, all bets are off.
So angry when I look at TARP.
Paulson during House Hearing on TARP:
"I think the best way we can protect the taxpayer is, first of all, that the American people will benefit by having the credit they need..."
Yeah...yeah...the Chinese economy...connected to the global economy...sooooo...financial crisis/currency problems...
Not much talk any more about the gold market...if there's enough physical gold to cover the paper gold contracts...what's causing the slide in gold when it should be going up...the topic of gold has seemed to vanish...'cept for shill mentions it's going up...
Greenspan was saying on the boob tube today I think something like if the U.S. continues to spend so much that's there going to be problems...maestro!
YLSP wrote:
or, the American people will benefit by having the drugs they need. Same idea.
In fact, Slumdog was on a few threads ago talking about Haiti...and I don't think he even mentioned gold.
Bernanke: "The secrete to having a strong dollar is to have an economy that is growing and is an attratctive place to invest. People are not going to want to invest where the financial system is unstable and the economy is not growing. So I think this is the best strategy in the medium term for getting a stronger dollar and the best strategy for helping our economy grow and recover. I do not think this economy can recover when the financial markets are in such dire straits."
CR should have a thread 'bout gold and the gold markets. The new bubble that's losing air.
New economic term...'dire straits'.
Not sure CR considers gold his thang.
Jitters in Yerp:
Euro, Asian Stocks Decline on Europe Budget Deficit Concern - Bloomberg.com
C
BB is scheduled to testify on Wed. about pulling the plug on the stimulus or the next phased in leg down...leading to the Great Deflation...which he has expertise in...
YLSP wrote:
This is the old spend and borrow more forever routine. I am sure it's all sustainable. No need for a change in course.
For a smart guy, Bernanke sure seems not to 'get it'. From his point of view, the problem wasn't a credit explosion that blew a bubble, but rather an unnecessary and reversible hiccup in the growth of asset values and debt at rates well in excess of the economy. After all, there is no bubble, there was no bubble, and money was not too cheap or too easy.
The world's top central bankers began arriving in Australia yesterday as renewed fears about the strength of the global economic recovery gripped world share markets.
Representatives from 24 central banks and monetary authorities including the US Federal Reserve and European Central Bank landed in Sydney to meet tomorrow at a secret location, the Herald Sun reports.
Organised by the Bank for International Settlements last year, the two-day talks are shrouded in secrecy with high-level security believed to have been invoked by law enforcement agencies.
Secret summit of top bankers | News.com.au
The billionaire international investors who want (possibly?) undeliverable gold delivery maybe think it's their thing...especially if they can't get their physical gold...so maybe some jitters in the gold markets...that of course aren't manipulated...
'secrecy'...oh no you must be mistaken...that would be the dreaded tinfoil thinking...the report can't be trusted...central bankers aren't organized or networked nor do they operate in synchronicity...no...no...don't you know...it can't be!
post-G7 finance meeting in Iqaluit, post-BIS meeting in Sydney.... how much longer until there is some half-hearted effort to quell investor fears with the EU, a Greek budget ring fence? guaranteed EU bonds in exchange for fiscal consolidation? some tap-dancing?
The report is just silly!
The global finance/central banking system is not an 'organized' international network. Say this enough and it will become true.
Fear factor must be at optimum levels for international 'reform' action.
This is all from September 24 hearing where Bernanke and Paulson pitched TARP togteher:
Mr. BERNANKE. Well, first, I am not comparing the current situation with the Great Depression, but a lot of what you said, there is some relevance. In particular, the Great Depression was triggered by a series of financial crises. Stock market crash, collapse of the banks, and the effects on credit and on money were a very big part of what happened then.
Now we have a very, very different financial system. It is much more sophisticated and complicated, it is much more global. We also have a much bigger and more diversified economy. But what that episode illustrates, as do many other episodes in history, is that when the financial system becomes dysfunctional, the effects on the real economy are very palpable.
Agreed. And it is notable that pressure had come off even by the G20 London Summit last April. The 9 March mega coordinated multi-sector bounce was parlayed into "steady on, lads, we're on this". Peak panic was over, resolve collapsed.
And the rest, as they say is ... the present.
C
Mr. MEEKS. Okay. But again, why wouldn’t they want to then
not replace the loss of shareholder value first before lending out
money? Since they lost it, why wouldn’t they want to replace their
shareholder value first as opposed to lending out money once
they—
Mr. BERNANKE. They maximize their shareholder value by mak-
ing good loans, and that is their business. That makes them valu-
able.
Jeebus. What part of the financial system is BB referring to? Not the broker-dealers and prop traders, surely?
C
Counterpointer wrote:
I wish I could figure these guys out.
Sometimes it's like they're in an alternate universe but it doesn't seem like they're lying.
What does Ben know that we don't that makes him incomprehensible?
broward wrote:
He knows that Lloyd and Jamie would like more cheap money to play with. Always. More. Cheap. Money.
This is his testimony to sell TARP.
In Ben's case this is disturbingly on point. From a linguistics perspective, it doesn't fulfil the necessary conditions - the illocutionary force - of a lie, in sum a knowing untruth designed to mislead, usu with malicious intent. The statement, and many like it, have parts of the equation but they don't sum. Parts may be untrue, but no knowingly so. Or knowingly arguable, subjectively verifiable according to speaking position, but not designed to mislead. Or if designed to persuade and influence, then not in a knowingly malicious fashion, even though the effect may well be malign.
I'm not comforted at all by this guy being in, and retaining, his position.
C
The USD has risen as much in 2 months as it took 5-6 months to fall
too much is happening too fast without any real underlying change in views
investors are begging to take a breather, they just need a nudge to encourage concerted action and safety in numbers
things have fallen, but everything including oil is still within what would be a comfortable decline and a perfect buying opportunity for the improvements of fund inflows
step aside from the political headlines, and the economic data are still setting post-global financial crisis records for improvement
yes depending on the specific part of the world the writing is on the wall for credit expansions being limited by inflation worries, or fiscal expansions being limited by balance sheet worries... but look at interest rate expectations, the steepness on yield curves
the only way this makes sense to the majority of investment controllers is if it's just a expected mild pullback, it's not like the EU would ever be punished financially if it just let Greece declare bankruptcy, on the whole there's no where else to turn to instead, only liquidity disruptions have much power for now
in a few years it comes down to debt repayment and stagnation/decline or debt abandonment and growth (or neither if debt levels are stable and income is not vulnerable to trading partners who are unstable)
regardless of whatever may be signalled today, investors will lap up any and all growth exposure on the market despite a likely checkered credit history
the key factor that matters is how the different generations within a country will handle everything
CIT Taps Ex-Merrill Chief John Thain to Run 102-Year-Old Lender - Bloomberg.com
WTF? Does he get to decorate his office with outlandish trash cans and commodes? He's like a bad cursed penny. I guess the BOD does not get out much. I wonder how much his golden parachute is good for this time, for when he fails?
John Thain's Top 16 Outrages - The Daily Beast
C'mon, he's a turnaround ace. Turned around Merrill from the brink that Stan O'Neal had brought it to.
Around, over, and ... down the sh!tter.
It should be fairly simple to plot time in position for his last 4 jobs. Linear projection, CIT gets, what, 4 months?
C
I like ISSA for the Ranking member on the House committee... he doesn't seem afraid to go after Bush/Paulson/Geithner... even though he is a Republican...
Lewis will take down both Paulson and Geithner if given the chance. House Oversight committee has had 6 hearings on the Merrill-Bank of America merger.
Need I remind everyone that CIT is the biggest recipient of TARP money to go under...
EvilHenryPaulson wrote:
There must be a lot of big moves going on in the shadow CDS markets, that normal investors, and probably the gov. can't really see. I'll wager someone TBTF is going to end up BK without any warning. I suspect it will be like AIG, nationalized overnight with the gov on the hook for the $$$. Funneled to the counterparties at 100 cents on the dollar, of course.
But not your gov. Not this time.
C
Counterpointer wrote:
Not our gov't.
European.
Bingissimo...
That said, Stoxx50 just spiked 1.24% on the open and all Yerp futes are muscular
V2X plunged 0.3% in unison.
C
wait until America wakes up and takes over
The New Orleans Saints won the superbowl and the federal government is frozen, both are bullish indicators
again, more like the start of 2008 than fall, summer, or even spring 2008
and it's a Monday
and central bankers just spent the weekend meeting with each other in person -- the only possible consensus they can ever form as a group are in ways to be supportive of financial markets
if the markets aren't ebullient, I'm going to have to look for my reflection in a mirror or try to achieve spontaneous flight
EvilHenryPaulson wrote:
Would that mean six more months of Olympics?
It's Monday so it's going to be green. Let's see if they can hold onto the gains come Friday.
Well, it's op ex manipulation Friday, so they just might. Also 10y note up on the block on Wed, long bond on Thursday.
C
Pimco Prefers German Bunds to US Treasurys - CNBC
ooooooK!
ugh.
Looks like someone is sensitive to critics discussing the fall in the purchasing power of the $. Nice smoke and mirrors play.....
Weak Dollar Illusory as Correlated Trade Shows Gains (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
EvilHenryPaulson wrote:
EHP during the Asian crisis Malaysia defied conventional wisdom by instituting capital controls and all the terrible things that the financial pundits said would happen didn't - in fact Malaysia did better rather than worse. Argentina defaulted and it too didn't suffer after doing so. If Greece a member of the EU defaults that could really set the precedent for others. That has to be a truly scary proposition.
good morning,
did everyone go back to bed?
morning gabyjan: I was yapping on the telephone..lol. I have a pretty snow today finally.
AP analysis: US economic stress hit a peak in Dec. - Yahoo! News
YouTube - Bangles - Manic Monday - 1986
Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: BLS Seasonal Adjustments Gone Haywire; 11% Unemployment Coming by May?
Double dip was bound to happen, you can only delay the inevitable not prevent it. There was no way to re-inflate the bubble and we are seeing the second act of this opera play out. I know my "investments" these days are in paying down debt. At the rate I'm going our family of 4 with a nice, modest, home will be debt free in a year or two. The banks have brought this on themselves by offering no decent returns anywhere.
Blackhalo wrote:
This of course assumes it's not a sovereign default. One of the PIIGS, perhaps?
Good morning everyone. Your Saints won HomeGnome! I had a very weird dream last night. My wife and I were living in a broom closet in a Chinese Hospital. It was unused, and we would sneak out at night and raid the cafeteria. We were scared to death because we didn't have our passports and the risk of discovery was growing everyday. A dream filled with great dread. Hate waking up with a sense of dread. This one was interesting because I was aware I was dreaming, observation mode, but I couldn't do anything about the dream...
Oxtail wrote:
I was living in Taipei in the mid 90s when they were having some of their first elections and China was consequently doing military maneuvers off their coast and other saber rattling actions.
One day Taiwan was testing a missle, ph%&*ed up, and hit a villiage on the mainland in Fujian killing some fisherfolk. We all thought the SWHTF, but it was a legitimate error and not part of the official saber rattling.
The whole thing was downplayed and forgotten about almost immediately.
You make it sound as if it already happened. I'm not as sure as you seem to be. Show me an spx break below 1030, and I'll come on board as a bear. Meantime I'll watch.
Saints Win!
TrimTabs: Here's Why The Real Jobs Loss Number Was 5x Worse Than What The BLS Reported
I heard other financial brobdingnagins are looking to pick up CEO has-beens, so probably Stan O'Neal's phone has been ringing off the hook, i'd imagine.
Testy Conflict With Goldman Helped Push A.I.G. to Edge - NY Times
HomeGnome wrote:
YouTube - Arlo Guthrie /City of New Orleans
Now where's my little buddy
?
How about some Yeats this morning....this one was going through by head last night too...
The Stolen Child
Where dips the rocky highland
Of Sleuth Wood in the lake,
There lies a leafy island
Where flapping herons wake
The drowsy water rats;
There we've hid our faery vats,
Full of berrys
And of reddest stolen cherries.
Come away, O human child!
To the waters and the wild
With a faery, hand in hand,
For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand.
Where the wave of moonlight glosses
The dim gray sands with light,
Far off by furthest Rosses
We foot it all the night,
Weaving olden dances
Mingling hands and mingling glances
Till the moon has taken flight;
To and fro we leap
And chase the frothy bubbles,
While the world is full of troubles
And anxious in its sleep.
Come away, O human child!
To the waters and the wild
With a faery, hand in hand,
For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand.
Where the wandering water gushes
From the hills above Glen-Car,
In pools among the rushes
That scarce could bathe a star,
We seek for slumbering trout
And whispering in their ears
Give them unquiet dreams;
Leaning softly out
From ferns that drop their tears
Over the young streams.
Come away, O human child!
To the waters and the wild
With a faery, hand in hand,
For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand.
Away with us he's going,
The solemn-eyed:
He'll hear no more the lowing
Of the calves on the warm hillside
Or the kettle on the hob
Sing peace into his breast,
Or see the brown mice bob
Round and round the oatmeal chest.
For he comes, the human child,
To the waters and the wild
With a faery, hand in hand,
For the world's more full of weeping than he can understand.
Good Morning......the Saints wanted it more than the Colts and kept getting stronger throughout the game.....while I cooked the steak and shrimp for the customers while eating half of it......Fun Day!
My Way News - Stock investors see threats from all directions
Black Star Ranch wrote:
My Way News - Obama predicts Colts victory in Super Bowl
Man I missed the most of the first half...was cooking steaks myself. Had a huge wind gust and all my steaks started burning...I managed to save them mostly, but the garlic bread was toast......by the time I got back to them, they were charred beyond recognition. What I get for trying to grill in windy weather.
Black Star Ranch wrote:
Yep ... that's what I saw.
Five myths about how to create jobs - washingtonpost.com
Vonbek777 wrote:
....the winds that seem to start up about the time I always fire up the bbq, prompted us to set up TWO cooking areas - one on the east side of the kitchen and one on the north side as well - now no "blow-outs" - one area is always out of the wind.
Bubblisimo Gerkinov wrote:
What I saw was that the team with the better defense won; defenses win championships. Also helped that NO had a better than decent offense.
The onside kick was a turning point. 'Ballsy' so to speak.
I'd normally not bother with the Weekly Standard (I'm presently pissed at neo-cons), but in this case I believe that they're correct:
Government Intervention Will Leave a Lasting Hangover | The Weekly Standard
I didn't see it........someone said it was TOTALLY unsuspected....
Black Star Ranch wrote:
If it's not called out of desperation, it's totally unexpected; I worked so the guy's a genius. Could've had a very different outcome-