I wonder what calculations they have made to determine the trade-off between:
- fewer losses realized when the supply of failures is smaller
- loss of trust when the backlog of failures is larger
Is the FDIC just going to dish out money to make banks whole?
That's the whole purpose of the economy. Someday, Lord Blankface will press a little button, and the obedience chip will go off in our heads. And we'll all be very, very happy.
To protect the depositors, the FDIC entered into a purchase and assumption agreement with Premier American Bank, National Association, Miami, Florida, a newly-chartered national institution, to assume all of the deposits of Premier American Bank.
I guess this means they can continue to use the old stationery.
Wow, the prepositioning ahead of Bernanke vote is terrifying!!
Am I the only one who sees that Bernanke is going to be the next Treasury Secretary, after a Republican sponsored market crash after he doesn't get the votes? Cramer was just positioning his minions for a market crash should BB not get the vote!?!?!
Then who gets the pain from that fallout?
I think the populism card is finally being played, and Volcker gets his wish of a stable financial sector, what he signed on for by supporting Obama. I remember telling everyone quite a while ago that this would only come when the financial markets had recovered. We are here.
Stability over, and the new game is the overhaul of the financial/housing sector. Prepare for pain as Wall Street finally understands how they are in the target zone. Mass Senate vote provided Obama with evidence that folks are unhappy without the change promised, so here it comes.
Hey, there is absolutely nothing wrong with bailing out a failed bank and then turning it over to the same management. Just ask Geithner and Bernanke, the two most trusted names in the finance cabal.
scone wrote: That's the whole purpose of the economy. Someday, Lord Blankface will press a little button, and the obedience chip will go off in our heads. And we'll all be very, very happy. Yes, once they override that pesky free-will and conscious volition, we will be much more efficient market servants.
Premier American Bank - Truly Committed to SERVING YOUR NEEDS!
At Premier American Bank, we PRIDE ourselves on giving you the unique and personal banking experience that you DESERVE. We KNOW what it's like to balance your financial needs with a REAL LIFE... because at Premier American Bank, we are PEOPLE just like YOU!
So in a few years if I happen to be looking for a bank in Miami and google their names, the first thing I'll see for "Premier American Bank" is about how it was closed down by the FDIC? Winning strategy to get future depositors, this.
Oh no, now the middle is being ignored, and the Republicans are being set to take the blame for all the failures of the administration- the Party of No is being set up big time. No to BB- causes market crash- No to healthcare causes needless suffering, No to banking reforms feeds the fatcat bankers, No to GSE reform causes more housing crash.
Is that enough? This crisis is going to hang the republicans, because they are going to be tagged with Bushie Blame.
Obama gave the Republicans the rope- dangled bipartisan in front of them and let them trash his agenda.
The tricky pol thing is to then give them the blame, which they are taking with a proud badge, while the tea party bunch disorganizes the party further.
This is basically a Republican disaster, being spun right now as a triumph.
The return to the Roosevelt style economy is now well under way, and the assault on banks provides the tell.
When the new national savings bank of Fannie and Freddie opens for business, I remind you I told you so.
He bet it all on a game of hoops with Barack. Volker is 6'7" and just backed in old skin and bones Obama and hit short chip shots. Nothing Barack could do. luckily for the people, his 3 pointer just wasn't falling.
I think (hope) O is that sneaky. I think he had to appease the sector,
and show what a failure it would be, whilst holding V in reserve. And heck, if it
had worked, that would be ok too.
scone wrote: Bingo. Power struggle within and without. Lord Blankface descends to his cave, where legions of squid prepare to wriggle across the world...
I think that's when the invisible fist of national security would show its nonexistent hand. There are many levels of diplomacy.
On the other hand, a Fannie bank account that pays 4% for a deposit will sound very nice to Ma and Pa sixpack after Wall Street is done in.
The stupidity of Wall Street is now fully established, and the Dems have noticed that they have to follow through and push their agenda, or risk tea party populism overthrowing both parties.
Wall Street crashing just helps them now. Proof of Capitalism run amok, and bankster perfidy.
The trading in regional banks this week was a bit more interesting than most. Kudos to those who succeeded in the regional vs megacap long/short trade.
Prepare for pain as Wall Street finally understands how they are in the target zone.
To each their own, but what I see are banks getting more power, no reform effectively, and a 15bp rate hike masquerading as a fee or tax. Hedge funds/private equity/shadow banking lose out because they become clients of the banks instead of the other way around, but nothing is changed to prevent a repeat let alone share the costs of this last one.
In a war between TBTF and Obama the will take down the market. Thus trashing the stock holdings in those things. will then blame the loses on Obama and any regulations they don't want.
The war may be between Obama and TBTF, but J6P is the battle field.
"The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) today announced it will open a temporary satellite office in suburban Chicago, to manage receiverships and to liquidate assets from failed financial institutions primarily located in Midwestern states"
Eh. No Republican in this country has suffered one iota for opposing the health care bill.
Market crash will be blamed on it being a fake Obama rally based solely on government handouts in the first place.
Republicans will take flak for opposing regulations until the next time Washington hands out billions to a teetering corporation.
Obama has cried wolf too many times. He's blamed everything on Bush and the Republicans already. Of course he's going to blame the upcoming crash on Republicans(and Bush!). People expect that from him now so it loses its effect.
The war may be between Obama and TBTF, but J6P is the battle field.
Why would "TPTB" go to war with the guy they helped put in there:
Obama:
1 Lawyers/Law Firms $43,071,129
2 Retired $42,934,278
3 Education $22,915,462
4 Misc Business $16,558,999
5 Securities & Investment $14,808,875
6 Health Professionals $11,716,570
7 Business Services $11,453,341
8 Democratic/Liberal $11,234,271
9 Real Estate $10,395,123
McCain:
1 Retired $32,690,170
2 Lawyers/Law Firms $9,930,296
3 Real Estate $8,841,748
4 Securities & Investment $8,666,235
5 Republican/Conservative $6,792,691
6 Misc Business $5,943,818
7 Health Professionals $5,254,786
8 Misc Finance $5,221,374
9 Business Services $3,332,234
"Are you a former banking executive looking to return to the industry? Well, now's your chance to hook up with one of the many blind pools being raised to invest in the sector.
Healy, 66, will be CEO of Bond Street. At North Fork from 1992 through 2006, he worked on 16 acquisitions, including that by Capital One Financial Corp., under CEO John Kanas (pictured at left), who also recently resurfaced as an acquirer (along with WL Ross & Co. LLC, Blackstone Group LP, Carlyle Investment Management LLC and Centerbridge Capital Partners LP) of Coral Gables, Fla.-based BankUnited Financial Corp. Healy left North Fork after the Capital One deal and became a senior adviser to U.K. private equity firm Permira Advisors LLP in 2008. He also serves on the board of Keefe, Bruyette & Woods Inc., an investment bank that focuses on financial services.
Joining him at Bond Street Holdings is Lieberman, the former executive managing director of Indosuez Capital, the investment banking arm of Banque Indosuez. In addition to spending time at Drexel, Lieberman is also an alum of Kidder, Peabody & Co. Now an executive managing director at Chicago private equity firm Sterling Partners LLC, he will act as executive chairman of Bond Street. Rounding out the trio is Tese, 66, a member of Bear Stearns Cos.' board from 1994 until the firm's fire sale in 2008. He's also a former commissioner of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and a former CEO of the New York State Urban Development Corp. "
They hasten to their end,
though they think themselves strong and enduring.
I am almost ashamed
to share their doings;
my fancy lures me
to transform myself
back into flickering flames.
To burn them
who once tamed me,
rather than foolishly end
with the blind,
even though they be the most godlike gods,
does not seem stupid to me.
I'll think it over:
who knows what I will do?
EHP, the Obama/Volcker spin seems to imply two banks - the domestic savings one for the plebes and the one for the elite.
GS investments
GS bank
BAC investments
BAC bank
JPM investments
JPM bank
Obviously, companies like C and BAC would deemphasize the investment half, while something like GS would emphasize it. Once the execs figure out that this is a (a) retirement package with nice deffered comp for the senior peopleand (b) a chance to create whole new bonuses and options and a new board, with the M&A guys also getting paid, they might decide to actually go with it and not kill it in the senate (which, of course, the could do with one tip of one tentacle).
Gave away a lot of $$$$$ (directly or indirectly) to shore up the banks
a) Approved Quantitative Easing (already thought out previously);
b) approved buying of MBS;
c) "worked with Treasury" on crafting bailouts (giving $ away);
d) kept silent about mark-to-fantasy; and
e) tacitly approved the banks strategy of "repairing their balance sheets" by gouging their clients
Other than being a handmaiden to Wall Street, where's the special genius that make him irreplaceable?
The other nice thing about it is it somewhat disguises / JPM dominance - they could have collectively 40% of the bank business and still technically not be afoul of the "reform".
greenchutes
Instead of selling equity shares to banks, shadow banking will have to borrow with loans that can be fixed to whatever benchmark. Thus the shadow banking is in a weaker negotiating position, and a captive borrower.
I think that you have tea party blinders on. You advocate Tea Party talking points. Tea partiers think that they are part of a popular movement when in fact, they will themselves be considered fat cats. The tea party movement is a green shoots artifact.
With very high unemployment, I guarantee that elections won't be about taxes but about survival which means health care and safety nets. I don't expect this to play out for the next election but I agree largely with Allan's setup but only by 2012.
If GS can crash it, there are many others who could restore it or even cause a new bubble. GS is not that powerful
It's not in their self-interest to cause a crash, but it is very much in their self-interest to create the perception that they could cause a crash any time they want to. If Lord Blankface gets that idea into the minds of the government peeps, it's all over. There is a possibility of a titanic struggle for power here.
The sun's eye sheds
its evening beams;
in its glorious gleam
the castle shines in splendour.
In the radiance of the morning
it glittered proudly
but stood before me tenantless,
grand and inviting.
From morn to eve,
in care and anxiety,
not lightly it was won!
Night draws on;
from its envy
it now offers shelter.
We are on the march back to a more controlled financial sector, which I will not mourn, because it has become apparent that these changes are necessary.
You have to listen to what Volcker wants, and the only way to get it is to bifurcate the banking system from wall street again. Banks will be utterly terrified by the mere possibility that a national mortgage bank run by the feds is next- like I said, put a 4% rate out on the street and Ma and Pa will FLOOD it will deposits. At that point, add checking and a local branch, and you can effectively gut 50% of the banks in America, with a government guarantee.
The games of Wall Street are small potatoes to the low interest environment. That creates yet another huge thirst for safe yield. That thirst shall be met through direct investing in federal structures- running wall street out of a huge source of funds to be skimmed.
They are screwed, blued, and tattooed, should this play out like I think.
I did put some of my money where my mouth is too- bought some dead Fannie Preferred.
Sorry to be on topic, but, with all the failed RE and CRE in Florida, why aren't banks there dropping like flies?
AB,
Not only have FL banks gone down, but banks from GA and AL that participated in that bubble have gone down as well. Look at the list of GA banks that have been taken over.
You need to understand that what is happening now has happened over and over again in human history, except that now it is on a mind-staggering scale, soon to be global. The wealth of the planet is at stake. Those who have touched the Ring of Power will never stop until they have won what they're seeking. There is no retreat.
pavel.chichikov wrote: Those who have touched the Ring of Power will never stop until they have won what they're seeking. There is no retreat.
"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny"
- Star Wars VI: Return of the Jedi
You have to listen to what Volcker wants, and the only way to get it is to bifurcate the banking system from wall street again. Banks will be utterly terrified by the mere possibility that a national mortgage bank run by the feds is next- like I said, put a 4% rate out on the street and Ma and Pa will FLOOD it will deposits. At that point, add checking and a local branch, and you can effectively gut 50% of the banks in America, with a government guarantee.
Could you cite an example? I think you need to listen to Volcker, read about his background so you understand his perspective, learn more about his time as Fed Chair...
Not only will we see none of what you describe, I am 99% certain Volcker is opposed to it
I'm sorry, but the polls just don't bear out the left's obsession with the health care bill. I personally have no issue with national health care(though the current bill is a piece of crap). I hate that our companies are hobbled by having to pay for health care and I've seen examples of working health care systems in other countries. But poll after poll after poll have shown that pushing the health care bill has been an epic fail for the Democrats and the general public just isn't buying.
I'm a pretty pro-immigration guy, but I know that pushing amnesty right now is idiotic and would run into massive public opposition.
It's important in politics to read what the mood of the country is and not just project that everyone should feel the same way about an issue you do.
I don't understand some of the new graphics: "Yap stone", "The Dude Abides", and "Ruby slippers" (I understand the reference, but why was the graphic added)?
Prediction market has Bernanke confirmation at 70% or so.
This is because of a widespread feeling that Democrats in the Senate will rally round Bernanke.
They will, if it can be done in a bi-partisan looking way. But if it lines up as Dems for, Republicans against, then the Dems will be screwed. And their popular support will slide even more because Bernanke is hated in the heartland.
So, keep your eyes on how Republican Senators feel about Bernanke and whether they are united. They're driving his bus right now.
Shhh, don't state the obvious- after all, they are wondering how long it will take for this plan B to leak.
Barney just seems to shoot his mouth off, and let the cat out of the bag, but even that seems scripted by the alternative plans. This bunch is pretty slick, and they don't intend to fail- in spite of the opposition.
Yet the survey also revealed considerable unease about the impact of heightened government involvement, on both the economy and the quality of the respondents’ own medical care. While 85 percent of respondents said the health care system needed to be fundamentally changed or completely rebuilt, 77 percent said they were very or somewhat satisfied with the quality of their own care.
What we have observed was a well executed strategy to obfuscate and just as in 1993, it worked. However, the real issue is a very popular one.
Doing the same thing and expecting different results is one definition of insanity.
That's funny. I do this quite frequently with dice, cards, and coins while playing a number of different games. And I enjoy it! If that's insanity, then I don't want to be sane.
Shhh, don't state the obvious- after all, they are wondering how long it will take for this plan B to leak.
Barney just seems to shoot his mouth off, and let the cat out of the bag, but even that seems scripted by the alternative plans. This bunch is pretty slick, and they don't intend to fail- in spite of the opposition.
PAUL VOLCKER: Those are two big corrections we have to make. We
wont have the same, I dont think, confidence in financial engineering.
Institutions have learned something. And some of these deficiencies are
now pretty clear. It`s hard to change that, because people want to make
money and rely upon this kind of fancy manipulation.
The market was brought down this week more by concentrated leverage than by politics.
Since Feb 2009, about $20 trillion has been pumped into global equity markets, and most of it was with cheap borrowed money and through a handful of huge traders. That kind of pile will always topple hard.
Somebody asked last week what the catalyst for a correction would be, and I said it could be a black swan or just traders looking at each other and blinking. Both happened this week. But because the upside has been so concentrated and leveraged, the downside may be choppy but ultimately pretty deep.
You can choose to short into 2-3 10% secondary dips with timing.
Or you can short-and-hold down the primary bear trend down about 20-25% over time. Either way, you should win.
Banks will be utterly terrified by the mere possibility that a national mortgage bank run by the feds is next- like I said, put a 4% rate out on the street and Ma and Pa will FLOOD it will deposits.
I can't see it as a credible threat. There are too many moles inside the Administration, plus more at the elbows of the Congresscritters, etc. etc. And it would require money to set up, which J6P just did a thumbs down on at the Massacre. A political non-starter.
'Systemic impact'
How will stability ever be brought back to the economy with TBTF spillover effects?
TBTF money will be able to actually be political speech and influence regs or no regs... Maybe TBTF won't be able to be regulated.
rich your take on the dollar if BB gets kicked out
I don't know. But I think all rates will go up because it will be perceived as sending the Fed a message that they have to lighten up on the heavy rate manipulation. Become a gentler force, and let capital nature take its course. I think long Treasury rates rise faster than short Ts, because long Ts already are essentially worthless, and they'll become even more so in a rising rate environment.
I don't believe the "flight to safety in the greenback" story anymore. It might make a nice headline for a few days but long-term it's crap. All currencies are. So, I believe in gold, silver and TBT.
Citizen AllenM
Where does he talk about a national mortgage bank, or busting up any banks?
He loves banks. He is a banker, albeit of an older generation. He just doesn't want hedge funds inside of them. He would rather they make loans to the hedge funds. He doesn't like the idea of TBTF. He doesn't like the idea of not bailing out the banking sector, which takes a new federally capitalized replacement banking system off the table. He may have seen the light with regards to what most financial innovation is, but he is not addressing the important parts like honest accounting or pay structures.
You are projecting your desires onto Volcker.
I'm ok with Volcker myself, but don't expect him to bring a full measure of reform.
Yeah, broad support for the idea of government-run health plan.
It is not broad support for the idea! It is broad support for what health care delivers. I pay approx. $11,000 a year for 2 people. Kaiser at that so nothing fancy. Would you like to demonstrate how many J6Ps can actually afford such a plan.
If you are unemployed it is even worse. Ever paid COBRA out of your own pocket?
You think Premier American Bank is bad? You should see our standard banks.
So the bank acquired itself?
Premier League.
C
PE acquiring a bank, that's new.
Add: (Newly) Federal chartered bank acquiring all the assets of failed State chartered bank.
You gotta problem wid dat, punk?
Here are two contributed smileys for you, courtesy of next shoe:
and
all of a sudden, they upped the ante
Nemo wrote:
Newly chartered national bank acquired the dead state chartered bank - don't see on the OCC web site who owns the new bank
Someone formed a bank with basically the same name and acquired this failure ...
I hope they put plenty of capital in the new bank!
best to all
What Nemo said. Is the FDIC just going to dish out money to make banks whole?
Alt-Premier American?
I wonder what calculations they have made to determine the trade-off between:
- fewer losses realized when the supply of failures is smaller
- loss of trust when the backlog of failures is larger
Interesting: First Press Release that FDIC also put out in Spanish.
re: PE buying a bank
Isn't that some kind of reverse leveraged buyout?
RATM wrote:
That's the whole purpose of the economy. Someday, Lord Blankface will press a little button, and the obedience chip will go off in our heads. And we'll all be very, very happy.
CalculatedRisk wrote:
Great marketing. Why didn't someone think of that after Edsel folded.
*was the "least costly" resolution for the FDIC's *
okay then, CR are we sure its not the same management?
If it looks like a depression, sounds like a depression, smells like a depression...
Farmer kills 51 cows, then himself
I guess this means they can continue to use the old stationery.
Wow, the prepositioning ahead of Bernanke vote is terrifying!!
Am I the only one who sees that Bernanke is going to be the next Treasury Secretary, after a Republican sponsored market crash after he doesn't get the votes? Cramer was just positioning his minions for a market crash should BB not get the vote!?!?!
Then who gets the pain from that fallout?
I think the populism card is finally being played, and Volcker gets his wish of a stable financial sector, what he signed on for by supporting Obama. I remember telling everyone quite a while ago that this would only come when the financial markets had recovered. We are here.
Stability over, and the new game is the overhaul of the financial/housing sector. Prepare for pain as Wall Street finally understands how they are in the target zone. Mass Senate vote provided Obama with evidence that folks are unhappy without the change promised, so here it comes.
Someday this war's gonna end...
Barley wrote:
Hey, there is absolutely nothing wrong with bailing out a failed bank and then turning it over to the same management. Just ask Geithner and Bernanke, the two most trusted names in the finance cabal.
albrt wrote:
I know you are snarking, but eventually people have to remember:
Doing the same thing and expecting different results is one definition of insanity.
Err, I can't say I ever heard of it.
Pretty cool. Same stationery, same signage, no need to print new checks...
And they can forward the bills to the old management for a while.
"Isn't that some kind of reverse leveraged buyout?"
I like it when you talk kinky
Prediction market has Bernanke confirmation at 70% or so.
Looks just like my catz--a tuxedo cat.
JP wrote:
Yes. And everybody keeps doing the same thing. And we have always been at war with Eastasia.
scone wrote:
Yes, once they override that pesky free-will and conscious volition, we will be much more efficient market servants.
That's the whole purpose of the economy. Someday, Lord Blankface will press a little button, and the obedience chip will go off in our heads. And we'll all be very, very happy.
Citizen AllenM wrote:
Christ! Allen, you sound like you think this is a bad thing
Nemo--does this update over the weekend?
From their web site:
Premier American Bank - Truly Committed to SERVING YOUR NEEDS!
At Premier American Bank, we PRIDE ourselves on giving you the unique and personal banking experience that you DESERVE. We KNOW what it's like to balance your financial needs with a REAL LIFE... because at Premier American Bank, we are PEOPLE just like YOU!
How the
killed AIG, and threw the sucked out hulk to the taxpayer:
A Bomb Squad for Wall Street - Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com
Tonight on Pay Per View
Citizen AllenM wrote:
He may be able to produce a little drama and confusion, but the window for producing change already closed.
what's with
this week? is the
going to crash the market to show big O who's boss?
ALLCAPS WORTHY OF A REAL ESTATE AGENT.
Terry wrote:
Well, sort of....
*we are PEOPLE just like YOU! *
Yup, shuffle away the errors and financial pain. Make it someone elses problem.
Hey, any chance that KD runs a bank on the side?
volker the viking --
The Intrade market is open 24/7 as far as I know. What you see there is a live bid/ask quote.
You can even buy or sell it yourself, if you are in a legal jurisdiction that permits such things...
So in a few years if I happen to be looking for a bank in Miami and google their names, the first thing I'll see for "Premier American Bank" is about how it was closed down by the FDIC? Winning strategy to get future depositors, this.
LL - From their management, looks like they focused on either the Hispanic or Cuban communities.
Citizen AllenM wrote:
I wonder what he had to do to finally get that? Did he have to threaten to walk?
Comrade Elmer Fudd wrote:
Bingo. Power struggle within and without. Lord Blankface descends to his cave, where legions of squid prepare to wriggle across the world...
I'm waiting for Ocean Bank to go down.
ALL banks focus on the Hispanic and Cuban communities. Persons of Irish-German-ScotchIrish
descent like me are thin on the ground.
Oh no, now the middle is being ignored, and the Republicans are being set to take the blame for all the failures of the administration- the Party of No is being set up big time. No to BB- causes market crash- No to healthcare causes needless suffering, No to banking reforms feeds the fatcat bankers, No to GSE reform causes more housing crash.
Is that enough? This crisis is going to hang the republicans, because they are going to be tagged with Bushie Blame.
Obama gave the Republicans the rope- dangled bipartisan in front of them and let them trash his agenda.
The tricky pol thing is to then give them the blame, which they are taking with a proud badge, while the tea party bunch disorganizes the party further.
This is basically a Republican disaster, being spun right now as a triumph.
The return to the Roosevelt style economy is now well under way, and the assault on banks provides the tell.
When the new national savings bank of Fannie and Freddie opens for business, I remind you I told you so.
Someday this war's gonna end...
He bet it all on a game of hoops with Barack. Volker is 6'7" and just backed in old skin and bones Obama and hit short chip shots. Nothing Barack could do. luckily for the people, his 3 pointer just wasn't falling.
Terry wrote:
Hmmmmm.....any chance they're in Miami?
I think (hope) O is that sneaky. I think he had to appease the
sector,
and show what a failure it would be, whilst holding V in reserve. And heck, if it
had worked, that would be ok too.
Maybe I'm blowing
s
CR wrote :
*
There were 140 bank failures in 2009, 25 in 2008 and 3 in 2007, so that makes 171 for this cycle. *
doesnt that make 173?
2010 (5) + 2009 (140) + 2008 (25) + 2007 (3) ?
or have I completely lost my mind? or is this the "3 that were really 1" effect?
volker the viking wrote:
If you have a 401k or a pension fund or mutual funds or ..... it is going to get ugly.
josap wrote:
Why?
Cinco, ever hear of stocks going waaaay down?
You wait until someone is calling for radical reform, before proposing the moderate reform you wanted all along
scone wrote:
Bingo. Power struggle within and without. Lord Blankface descends to his cave, where legions of squid prepare to wriggle across the world...
I think that's when the invisible fist of national security would show its nonexistent hand. There are many levels of diplomacy.
Comrade Elmer Fudd wrote:
Looks like they are giving it a try.
This may be the war Ciz AllenM may be talking about.
Try Dow 4000 in three years.
On the other hand, a Fannie bank account that pays 4% for a deposit will sound very nice to Ma and Pa sixpack after Wall Street is done in.
The stupidity of Wall Street is now fully established, and the Dems have noticed that they have to follow through and push their agenda, or risk tea party populism overthrowing both parties.
Wall Street crashing just helps them now. Proof of Capitalism run amok, and bankster perfidy.
Someday this war's gonna end...
lawyerliz wrote:
Yes; so? Mine stuff's all in short-term bonds. How does that affect me?
The trading in regional banks this week was a bit more interesting than most. Kudos to those who succeeded in the regional vs megacap long/short trade.
Cinco-X wrote:
Ahem.
They're not as short-term as you think.
Citizen AllenM wrote:
To each their own, but what I see are banks getting more power, no reform effectively, and a 15bp rate hike masquerading as a fee or tax. Hedge funds/private equity/shadow banking lose out because they become clients of the banks instead of the other way around, but nothing is changed to prevent a repeat let alone share the costs of this last one.
Cinco-X wrote:
In a war between TBTF and Obama the
will take down the market. Thus trashing the stock holdings in those things.
will then blame the loses on Obama and any regulations they don't want.
The war may be between Obama and TBTF, but J6P is the battle field.
Citizen AllenM wrote:
BTW, that's the level that Krazy Karl suggested would be the eventual bottom. Are you in with him?
Relax; I'm just jokin'
"The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) today announced it will open a temporary satellite office in suburban Chicago, to manage receiverships and to liquidate assets from failed financial institutions primarily located in Midwestern states"
January 19th, 2010
no, j6p is cannon fodder.
Someday, Lord Blankface will press a little button, and the obedience chip will go off in our heads. And we'll all be very, very happy.
Think that's a fancy?
Cinco-X wrote:
What kind of bonds? Muni, corp, tres?
Comrade Elmer Fudd:
That seems like a bit of a risky move on the
's part. If J6P becomes aware that the
is ACTUALLY too big, O' might really be able to pull it off.
Not so fast.
Spin until done.
What kind of bonds? Muni, corp, tres?
CA -yield 13.68%
Eh. No Republican in this country has suffered one iota for opposing the health care bill.
Market crash will be blamed on it being a fake Obama rally based solely on government handouts in the first place.
Republicans will take flak for opposing regulations until the next time Washington hands out billions to a teetering corporation.
Obama has cried wolf too many times. He's blamed everything on Bush and the Republicans already. Of course he's going to blame the upcoming crash on Republicans(and Bush!). People expect that from him now so it loses its effect.
Comrade Elmer Fudd wrote:
If GS can crash it, there are many others who could restore it or even cause a new bubble. GS is not that powerful
josap wrote:
Why would "TPTB" go to war with the guy they helped put in there:
Obama:
1 Lawyers/Law Firms $43,071,129
2 Retired $42,934,278
3 Education $22,915,462
4 Misc Business $16,558,999
5 Securities & Investment $14,808,875
6 Health Professionals $11,716,570
7 Business Services $11,453,341
8 Democratic/Liberal $11,234,271
9 Real Estate $10,395,123
McCain:
1 Retired $32,690,170
2 Lawyers/Law Firms $9,930,296
3 Real Estate $8,841,748
4 Securities & Investment $8,666,235
5 Republican/Conservative $6,792,691
6 Misc Business $5,943,818
7 Health Professionals $5,254,786
8 Misc Finance $5,221,374
9 Business Services $3,332,234
Blackhalo wrote:
More and more of J6Ps have that clue. And they are angry. I think the
has underestimated what can happen when peole have had enough.
josap wrote:
Fed securities of some sort for the bulk of it-
On the buyers of Premier:
"Are you a former banking executive looking to return to the industry? Well, now's your chance to hook up with one of the many blind pools being raised to invest in the sector.
Take, for instance, the $370 million pool Deutsche Bank AG raised for Bond Street Holdings LLC in early November. It aims to invest in troubled banks and become a bank holding company that will then be managed by a trio of executives with long résumés in banking: Dan Healy, the former CFO of Melville, N.Y.-based North Fork Bank; Les Lieberman, an old Drexel Burnham Lambert hand; and former New York state superintendant of banks Vincent Tese.
Healy, 66, will be CEO of Bond Street. At North Fork from 1992 through 2006, he worked on 16 acquisitions, including that by Capital One Financial Corp., under CEO John Kanas (pictured at left), who also recently resurfaced as an acquirer (along with WL Ross & Co. LLC, Blackstone Group LP, Carlyle Investment Management LLC and Centerbridge Capital Partners LP) of Coral Gables, Fla.-based BankUnited Financial Corp. Healy left North Fork after the Capital One deal and became a senior adviser to U.K. private equity firm Permira Advisors LLP in 2008. He also serves on the board of Keefe, Bruyette & Woods Inc., an investment bank that focuses on financial services.
Joining him at Bond Street Holdings is Lieberman, the former executive managing director of Indosuez Capital, the investment banking arm of Banque Indosuez. In addition to spending time at Drexel, Lieberman is also an alum of Kidder, Peabody & Co. Now an executive managing director at Chicago private equity firm Sterling Partners LLC, he will act as executive chairman of Bond Street. Rounding out the trio is Tese, 66, a member of Bear Stearns Cos.' board from 1994 until the firm's fire sale in 2008. He's also a former commissioner of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and a former CEO of the New York State Urban Development Corp. "
timmay is having a bad day
first there was the little note on Barack's letterhead that simply said "STFU"
then there was the guy from the moving company going through his office counting and measuring with the Homeland Security stiffs
then there was the phonecall to Lord Bankfiend that . . . wasn't answered!
Scene Four, Das Rheingold, Loge:
They hasten to their end,
though they think themselves strong and enduring.
I am almost ashamed
to share their doings;
my fancy lures me
to transform myself
back into flickering flames.
To burn them
who once tamed me,
rather than foolishly end
with the blind,
even though they be the most godlike gods,
does not seem stupid to me.
I'll think it over:
who knows what I will do?
first there was the little note on Barack's letterhead that simply said "STFU"
dam, soda everywhere....new keyboard please
EHP, the Obama/Volcker spin seems to imply two banks - the domestic savings one for the plebes and the one for the elite.
GS investments
GS bank
BAC investments
BAC bank
JPM investments
JPM bank
Obviously, companies like C and BAC would deemphasize the investment half, while something like GS would emphasize it. Once the execs figure out that this is a (a) retirement package with nice deffered comp for the senior peopleand (b) a chance to create whole new bonuses and options and a new board, with the M&A guys also getting paid, they might decide to actually go with it and not kill it in the senate (which, of course, the
could do with one tip of one tentacle).
And they are angry. I think the Vampire Squid from Hell has underestimated what can happen when people have had enough.
And yet they're packing heat, and have called out the bomb sniffing dogs?
What did Bernanke do?
a) Approved Quantitative Easing (already thought out previously);
b) approved buying of MBS;
c) "worked with Treasury" on crafting bailouts (giving $ away);
d) kept silent about mark-to-fantasy; and
e) tacitly approved the banks strategy of "repairing their balance sheets" by gouging their clients
Other than being a handmaiden to Wall Street, where's the special genius that make him irreplaceable?
The other nice thing about it is it somewhat disguises
/ JPM dominance - they could have collectively 40% of the bank business and still technically not be afoul of the "reform".
greenchutes
Instead of selling equity shares to banks, shadow banking will have to borrow with loans that can be fixed to whatever benchmark. Thus the shadow banking is in a weaker negotiating position, and a captive borrower.
I think that you have tea party blinders on. You advocate Tea Party talking points. Tea partiers think that they are part of a popular movement when in fact, they will themselves be considered fat cats. The tea party movement is a green shoots artifact.
With very high unemployment, I guarantee that elections won't be about taxes but about survival which means health care and safety nets. I don't expect this to play out for the next election but I agree largely with Allan's setup but only by 2012.
EvilHenryPaulson wrote:
It's not in their self-interest to cause a crash, but it is very much in their self-interest to create the perception that they could cause a crash any time they want to. If Lord Blankface gets that idea into the minds of the government peeps, it's all over. There is a possibility of a titanic struggle for power here.
We need to know who would replace Bernanke. If you don't know we could end up with Summers ... or worse!
Or:
WOTAN:
The sun's eye sheds
its evening beams;
in its glorious gleam
the castle shines in splendour.
In the radiance of the morning
it glittered proudly
but stood before me tenantless,
grand and inviting.
From morn to eve,
in care and anxiety,
not lightly it was won!
Night draws on;
from its envy
it now offers shelter.
Das Rheingold,
-- Richard Wagner
Sorry to be on topic, but, with all the failed RE and CRE in Florida, why aren't banks there dropping like flies?
it's a river in Egypt that is holding things up for now.
Blackhalo wrote:
Don't know. Early days if O means what he says.
nemo
We need to know who would replace Bernanke.
Upcoming Directors at
Sorry to be on topic
some people have all the nerve
my guess: sames as everywhere: extend and pretend
We are on the march back to a more controlled financial sector, which I will not mourn, because it has become apparent that these changes are necessary.
You have to listen to what Volcker wants, and the only way to get it is to bifurcate the banking system from wall street again. Banks will be utterly terrified by the mere possibility that a national mortgage bank run by the feds is next- like I said, put a 4% rate out on the street and Ma and Pa will FLOOD it will deposits. At that point, add checking and a local branch, and you can effectively gut 50% of the banks in America, with a government guarantee.
The games of Wall Street are small potatoes to the low interest environment. That creates yet another huge thirst for safe yield. That thirst shall be met through direct investing in federal structures- running wall street out of a huge source of funds to be skimmed.
They are screwed, blued, and tattooed, should this play out like I think.
I did put some of my money where my mouth is too- bought some dead Fannie Preferred.
Someday this war's gonna end...
Not all the banks, or bankers, in Florida are stupid. Some of them are pretty darn smart. So smart, that they set out the 'mortgage rush' of '04-'08.
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
AB,
Not only have FL banks gone down, but banks from GA and AL that participated in that bubble have gone down as well. Look at the list of GA banks that have been taken over.
See the link in
Comment by pravin404 from thread 'Bank Failure #5 in 2010: Premier American Bank, Miami, Florida'
47 banks from FL and GA alone.
You need to understand that what is happening now has happened over and over again in human history, except that now it is on a mind-staggering scale, soon to be global. The wealth of the planet is at stake. Those who have touched the Ring of Power will never stop until they have won what they're seeking. There is no retreat.
Seems ... theatrical. /
kcoop
thank you fat cat and red herring i think they might get work out jmo
pavel.chichikov wrote:
Those who have touched the Ring of Power will never stop until they have won what they're seeking. There is no retreat.
"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny"
- Star Wars VI: Return of the Jedi
the mere possibility that a national mortgage bank run by the feds
Allen you could have conserved typing by just saying C
Somebody was looking for a recent M3 estimate. It is quite telling and rather scary:
Some key statistics
Citizen AllenM wrote:
Could you cite an example? I think you need to listen to Volcker, read about his background so you understand his perspective, learn more about his time as Fed Chair...
Not only will we see none of what you describe, I am 99% certain Volcker is opposed to it
I'm sorry, but the polls just don't bear out the left's obsession with the health care bill. I personally have no issue with national health care(though the current bill is a piece of crap). I hate that our companies are hobbled by having to pay for health care and I've seen examples of working health care systems in other countries. But poll after poll after poll have shown that pushing the health care bill has been an epic fail for the Democrats and the general public just isn't buying.
I'm a pretty pro-immigration guy, but I know that pushing amnesty right now is idiotic and would run into massive public opposition.
It's important in politics to read what the mood of the country is and not just project that everyone should feel the same way about an issue you do.
YouTube - My precious!
I don't understand some of the new graphics:
"Yap stone",
"The Dude Abides", and
"Ruby slippers" (I understand the reference, but why was the graphic added)?
The games of Wall Street are small potatoes to the low interest environment
Allen
1. Wall Street sets a killer crash to prove a point.
2. The next day the Feds move interest rates from .25% to 15% overnight
This is because of a widespread feeling that Democrats in the Senate will rally round Bernanke.
They will, if it can be done in a bi-partisan looking way. But if it lines up as Dems for, Republicans against, then the Dems will be screwed. And their popular support will slide even more because Bernanke is hated in the heartland.
So, keep your eyes on how Republican Senators feel about Bernanke and whether they are united. They're driving his bus right now.
Shhh, don't state the obvious- after all, they are wondering how long it will take for this plan B to leak.
Barney just seems to shoot his mouth off, and let the cat out of the bag, but even that seems scripted by the alternative plans. This bunch is pretty slick, and they don't intend to fail- in spite of the opposition.
Someday this war's gonna end...
rich wrote:
most are keeping mum
it all depends on the timing
then, when the first begin to turn, a rush for the exits
Jackrabbit wrote:
cause we beg kcoop for them. And a bribe does wonders too.
rich your take on the dollar if BB gets kicked out
But how/why would you use these graphics?
RE wrote:
Fat cats? I'd call teabaggers "useful idiots" in the classic Leninist sense.
Bank of Leeton added to the list. Where the heck is Leeton?
Oxtail wrote:
I think you are wrong. The NYT captured the issue quite well with this paragraph:
Poll Finds Wide Support for Idea Of Government-Run Health Plan - NY Times
Yet the survey also revealed considerable unease about the impact of heightened government involvement, on both the economy and the quality of the respondents’ own medical care. While 85 percent of respondents said the health care system needed to be fundamentally changed or completely rebuilt, 77 percent said they were very or somewhat satisfied with the quality of their own care.
What we have observed was a well executed strategy to obfuscate and just as in 1993, it worked. However, the real issue is a very popular one.
Fat cats? I'd call teabaggers "useful idiots" in the classic Leninist sense.
Watch it! Some of them are family members. Even if they do live in Arizona.
JP wrote:
That's funny. I do this quite frequently with dice, cards, and coins while playing a number of different games. And I enjoy it! If that's insanity, then I don't want to be sane.
Can't recall the last bank to pay a premium for deposits.
PR-15-2010 Sunflower Bank, National Association, Salina, Kansas, Assumes All of the Deposits of Bank of Leeton, Leeton, Missouri
Bank of Leeton, MO #2 today
RayOnTheFarm wrote:
Leeton, Missouri
and now, Leeton Misery...
Citizen AllenM wrote:
Careful! The White Widow makes me paranoid too-
PAUL VOLCKER: Those are two big corrections we have to make. We
wont have the same, I dont think, confidence in financial engineering.
Institutions have learned something. And some of these deficiencies are
now pretty clear. It`s hard to change that, because people want to make
money and rely upon this kind of fancy manipulation.
Straight from Charlie Rose in September.
Go back and listen again.
Self portrait.
Yeah, broad support for the idea of government-run health plan. What's the support for the specific plan they're currently working on in congress?
Just like there's always a huge amount of support for the idea of streamlining the tax code. Just don't take away the deductions I like!
The market was brought down this week more by concentrated leverage than by politics.
Since Feb 2009, about $20 trillion has been pumped into global equity markets, and most of it was with cheap borrowed money and through a handful of huge traders. That kind of pile will always topple hard.
Somebody asked last week what the catalyst for a correction would be, and I said it could be a black swan or just traders looking at each other and blinking. Both happened this week. But because the upside has been so concentrated and leveraged, the downside may be choppy but ultimately pretty deep.
You can choose to short into 2-3 10% secondary dips with timing.
Or you can short-and-hold down the primary bear trend down about 20-25% over time. Either way, you should win.
Jackrabbit wrote:
We have
&
for BFF.
but usually get a 

We all eant a
Liz likes
Cause we like to amuse our selves.
Reid supports BB.
Jackrabbit wrote:
It would be a lot harder for the central banks to print
.
.
1 bank down, Drink!
The market downturn today has the CNBC anchor clicking their
pavel.chichikov wrote:
Political views in Arizona have always been a little on the 'special' side (in the little yellow bus sense of the word).
Citizen AllenM wrote:
I can't see it as a credible threat. There are too many
moles inside the Administration, plus more at the elbows of the Congresscritters, etc. etc. And it would require money to set up, which J6P just did a thumbs down on at the Massacre. A political non-starter.
'Systemic impact'
How will stability ever be brought back to the economy with TBTF spillover effects?
TBTF money will be able to actually be political speech and influence regs or no regs... Maybe TBTF won't be able to be regulated.
I don't know. But I think all rates will go up because it will be perceived as sending the Fed a message that they have to lighten up on the heavy rate manipulation. Become a gentler force, and let capital nature take its course. I think long Treasury rates rise faster than short Ts, because long Ts already are essentially worthless, and they'll become even more so in a rising rate environment.
I don't believe the "flight to safety in the greenback" story anymore. It might make a nice headline for a few days but long-term it's crap. All currencies are. So, I believe in gold, silver and TBT.
Citizen AllenM
Where does he talk about a national mortgage bank, or busting up any banks?
He loves banks. He is a banker, albeit of an older generation. He just doesn't want hedge funds inside of them. He would rather they make loans to the hedge funds. He doesn't like the idea of TBTF. He doesn't like the idea of not bailing out the banking sector, which takes a new federally capitalized replacement banking system off the table. He may have seen the light with regards to what most financial innovation is, but he is not addressing the important parts like honest accounting or pay structures.
You are projecting your desires onto Volcker.
I'm ok with Volcker myself, but don't expect him to bring a full measure of reform.
Jackrabbit wrote:
"Today's menu is Trout a la creme"
YouTube - FISH! (Red Dwarf)
Oxtail wrote:
It is not broad support for the idea! It is broad support for what health care delivers. I pay approx. $11,000 a year for 2 people. Kaiser at that so nothing fancy. Would you like to demonstrate how many J6Ps can actually afford such a plan.
If you are unemployed it is even worse. Ever paid COBRA out of your own pocket?