Herein lies the rub: "We are consuming too much and investing too little, said Volcker".
Mr. V's on point. Rhetoric aside, we've yet to see even the slightest hint from our Gov't. that it would prefer us to save, not spend!

"Because of U.S. dependence on foreign capital to fund trade and budget gaps, ``it is critical that we maintain confidence in our currency,'' said Volcker."

What currency are we competing with? All of the European countries are busy printing too. That leaves us with the Asian currencies. The question regarding China is how the trade surplus balances with bad bank loans and their success in dealing with the aftermath of a recession in the U.S. Opinions?

China is bound to get hurt along with the rest of the world economy. And instead of being net buyers of our currency, they will become net sellers.

BR said:

"All of the European countries are busy printing too."

That's correct. And you can see this in the charts at the following website:

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It's almost like he's saying "we need to raise rates and burst the bubble".

Also, I'm starting to wonder now about a rate hike next month given the signals the economy is giving right now.

The ecomomy might be tanking

but inflation may be too hot to handle

not a very good scenario for Ben.

Bets are for another rate hike in August

All better prey there are no hurricanes

in the gulf.

Sales at building material and hardware stores were down 4 percent from April through June, the biggest consecutive three- month drop in six years, the Commerce Department's report on retail sales today showed.

It's "a clear indication that residential investment detracted from economic growth in the quarter past," said Stephen Wieting, director of economic and market analysis at Citigroup Global Markets Inc. in New York.

- Bloomberg.com

Volcker was backing off from tight money in late 1980 and the economy did see 4.4% growth from July 1980 to June 1981. But then Volcker saw that Reagan fiscal fiasco and the works and raised interest rates (maybe by too much). So Chairman Ben inherents the same fiscal fiasco and starts raising interest rates. I see Volcker's point!

"...critical we maintain confidence in the dollar"

V:`We are consuming too much and investing too little,'' said Volcker, who also indicated that higher taxes may be needed to narrow the budget deficit.

Low investment could have something to do with disincentives. Higher taxes? That's some new magical incentive to save and invest?!?

V:``Revenues have gotten too low'' relative to what the government wants to spend, Volcker said.

How about government is spending too much? The recent mid year budget update showed conclusively that this is not a revenue problem.

"...critical we maintain confidence in the dollar"?

This means we protect the dollar?

And, if China, following the advice of some, allow the yuan to unpeg, what happens to the dollar?

Interesting dilemma.

No, the mid-season budget shows we have a spending AND revenue problem. Those projections should be thrown out the window. Completely contrived.

Rates are going lower and lower rates mean firmer house prices.

Is it a good time to buy? There is no good or bad time to buy as housing is not an investment -- its just a place to store all the made in China stuff you bought at Wallmart.

Will prices decline significantly? NO.

Will housing rust over many years? YES.

Does it matter what I think? NO.

You could be right about rates, sharky, but there's alot of us property investors / developers / owners here in NYC who think another bump is coming in August - at the least.

Robert Coté wrote, Higher taxes? That's some new magical incentive to save and invest?!?

What did tax cuts do to investment rates, either in the Reagan or Bush II eras?

Low investment could have something to do with disincentives. Higher taxes? That's some new magical incentive to save and invest?!?

It could be if structured right.

Raise marginal tax rates on higher incomes while simultaneously allowing aggressive depreciation on capital...

Reform cap gains tax rates so that the rates are harmonized to regular income (see the same high marginal rates) BUT allow for 'tax free exchange' of assets (sell asset A for big gain & immediately buy asset B of equal value washing out gain)... so that you only pay cap gains taxes when there is a net conversion into cash' - for consumption.

It would be a gun to the head of wealthy investers - invest aggressively or pay the tax piper.

The result would be a HUGE tax cut for people of means who live small but invest big but a similarly HUGE tax increase for the big spenders.

I would think that could be sold to both liberals (increase taxes to wealthy conspicuous consumers) and to conservatives (big tax cuts for high income thrifty investors).

What's not to like about that?

One last little nugget on the 'tax plan' above. It probably wouldn't have as big an effect on the super rich who already invest most everything but rather on the 'wealthy' - those with high incomes who haven't yet had time to really get rich. I think you'd see a big change in behavior away from consumption to investing.

JMHO.

Kohn says:
" we will need to take account of any influences on the macroeconomy of the unwinding of the imbalances when that occurs.

Continued strong demand for dollar assets will be CRITICAL to keeping that unwinding smooth and not disruptive. The Federal Reserve can contribute by being sure the public remains confident that the purchasing power of their dollar assets will not erode unexpectedly. As long as inflation expectations remain contained, relatively faster growth of the prices of imported goods for a time would be associated with only a temporary bulge in inflation and would result in a needed change in relative prices."

Volker says:
"Because of U.S. dependence on foreign capital to fund trade and budget gaps, ``it is CRITICAL that we maintain confidence in our currency,'' said Volcker."

Seems like there will be no replay of the consumption "Greenspan put". Fed actors are clearly stating that US rates will have to stay elevated during the coming downturn(recession)

Will prices decline significantly? NO

The new homes they're building down the street from me just got a 12.5% overnight haircut from $600k to $525k. Yes, it's anecdotal, but it seems to be happening everywhere now.

RC: Higher taxes? That's some new magical incentive to save and invest?!?

dryfly: It could be if structured right.

Raise marginal tax rates on higher incomes while simultaneously allowing aggressive depreciation on capital...

That's higher taxes and lower taxes. No fair. Let's just keep the mariginal rates AND allow agressive depreciation. (A rental I purchased in the 80's qualified for acellerated depreciation on a 17 1/2 yer schedule)

Taxes are so high now that any lowering in any component will probably have a positive effect. The only reason to raise taxes is because there is a demonstrated need. Not since the Kennedy admin has the question of need versus wants been seriously considered. Certainly these last 6 years have shown the new paradigm to be that spending expands to 120% of revenues. Its easy to criticize expensive foreign adventure but hard to apply the same logic to prescription drug coverage.

I've no problem with a shift to consumption taxation but we know how that turns out after fairness is applied. We don't even need to speculate where these ideas end up; Kalifornia.

That's higher taxes and lower taxes. No fair.

Fairness is subjective. If the greater good is more investment, then reward it. If excess or conspicuous consumption is 'bad' then tax it more aggressively to discourage it.

If you don't believe EITHER - that investment is good or that conspicuous consumption is bad - than ignore them both and leave rates alone. But then those same people ought to quit complaining about savings & investment rates.

Most other consumption tax schemes dreamed up by conservatives fall heaviest on poor & working poor - as a percentage of their income, though not in total dollars paid. This is because poor & working poor have so much less to invest & save - much of what they make goes to bare necessities while much of the consumption of upper income people can either go to luxury consumption OR to savings & investment. Some of the consumption by the wealthy is bare necessities too (they also eat) but far less as a percentage of their total take.

Or they propose convoluted consumption tax rebates to low income segments to offset the regressive nature of consumption taxes - very messy & difficult to explain politically.

The scheme I described is fairly neutral to poor & working poor but a program like that would very much effect upper middle to high income people and greatly incentivize saving & investment.

I'm a little unclear as to incentivizing the wealthy. gobs of cash aren't stuffed in mattresses. Their capital is out there working and avoiding taxes. Raising income rates would either cause more avoidance or direct wealth to idle ventures not agressive investment.

Consumption taxes do indeed "consume" proportionately more of the income of the lower classes, because they generally only have direct income and direct consumption. Shouldn't they receive the same signals from tax policies to consume less and invest more?

Volkner also acted at a time when a larger number of Americans were willing to accept pain for the common good. While the "new Republicans" were ridiculing Carter for this attitude the idea that we "deserve" all we want was not yet so widespread in either party or among the public.

Now it is the official credo of the Republicans. Indeed any thing smacking of sacrifice such as conservation is bad, indeed in some circles it's considerd rebelling againt God by trying to manage his creation. Note how Rumsfeld Pentagon has mangaed to block the building of half the proposed windmills in this country.

Tomoorow in thousands of churches there will be jubilation, the apocalypse is near. Tens of millions believe they will be swept up with Jesus to watch Muslims, Jews and Democrats suffer the eartly hell of apocalypse.

In this environment it makes sense to borrow and buy and just have a jolly good old time because there will be no consequences.

This is why God appointed George Bush president.

Volcker is just stating the obvious. Bernanke will have to raise rates to induce a consumer led recession. Though this will decrease asset prices, which are mispriced and have led to decreased savings due to the "wealth effect", it will ultimately save the dollar and restore some fiscal discipline. Taxes will also have to come up to pay for social security and medicare. There is no getting around the demographics. Our taxes will be higher, but asset prices will be lower, and thus our savings rate will probably end up being higher.

Low investment could have something to do with disincentives. Higher taxes? That's some new magical incentive to save and invest?!?

But super-low taxes on capital gains/dividends don't seem to have stimulated any saving -- if anything, they seem to have had the opposite effect.

Frankly, taxation of savings/investment isn't an issue for most Americans, who aren't going to put away more money than the current caps for tax-free 401k's and IRAs, anyway. Perhaps the fear that taxes will be much higher down the road thanks to the tax deferments is a disincentive, but I'm not sure most people really think that far ahead.

I'm not sure what it will take to get Americans saving again, but taxes don't seem to me to be a major factor. Speaking for myself, I've saved my money consistently over the past 20 years, no matter how the tax code has been tweaked -- that's really the least of my concerns. I'm much better off than I would be if I didn't save/invest -- isn't that the factor that counts?

I just pulled this from PrudentBear's Doug Noland (always a good read): Real Estate Bubble Watch:
"July 12 - Dow Jones (Danielle Reed):
“The Federal Reserve had hoped to make borrowing money a little tougher by raising interest rates by a cumulative 4.25 percentage points. But if the mortgage market is any indication, lending standards remain loose. While the Fed has been steadily lifting rates during the past two years, lenders have been expanding their loan menus to fit almost every conceivable financial circumstance, including the most cash-strapped. A wide array of non-traditional mortgages has allowed borrowers to keep up with the double-digit pace of home price increases as well as the squeeze of rising short-term rates.”"

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