Bank Failure #124 in 2009: Commerce Bank of Southwest Florida, Fort Myers, Florida
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CalculatedRisk on Fri, 11/20/2009 - 2:06pm (386 comments)
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Bob Dobbs wrote:
No "Add New Comment" link in my browser! No timestamp or "submitted by" either! Fixed width FTL!
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Edit: Test. Also, editing a past comment doesn't change the existing comment but appends at the end of the thread? (Refreshing makes the dup comment disappear.)
BFF Poll is closed with 56 voters.
Thanks for participating.
watch out
minnesota is going to own florida soon!
I thought I had fixed that wrap issue. It hides the Add New Comment link. Good thing we're getting a nice long title right away.
You can still get to it by typing ctrl-N (on the mac) or (I think) alt-N on the PC.
What's with that? I don't have it either.
kcoop wrote:
In FF 3.5.5 (Vista SP3), Ctrl-N nor Alt-N will work to make the comment box appear.
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Edit: Wireless keyboard's batteries running out of juice.
Yup, although Ctrl-N gets you a new browser window.
Oh, and the style sheet now has a maximum width, you can't get rid of the wrap by widening your browser window.
Do these banks have pension funds? If so, are the liabilities transferred to the PBGC?
I report absolutely no problems with the legacy/ mobile settings.
Rats, I was just going on to vote and the FDIC beat me to it!
kcoop wrote:
Alt-N no workie on my [worthless] PC...
As for the topic: Minnesota banks want Florida banks because business trip are tax deductible. What do you bet the VPs make all their site visits from Nov - Mar?
"They are, however, dependent on the govt. for funding, and for this they need "an issue" of concern. "
Most scientists are dependent on govt. funding. I've worked at biotechs that got part of their funding from govt. funding.
To jump for that to "an issue of concern" is a slight against the many many scientists who do very good work that they personally find interesting and believe will be of great help.
liz<
Nanoo-Nanoo was asking for you earlier.
I don't know why tho.
Alt-N
Is that a no down payment comment?
Alright, I'm taking this one offline for a bit until I work out some of the kinks. Sorry, thought I had things pretty clean now (this one has taken a silly amount of time).
Refresh your browser to get back to hoocooblue.
no offense to kcoop, but enough with the techno-speak crap.
Come on baby, I got four for the day...don't fail me now, Georgia!!
An early start tonight. Hope Sheila carb-loaded for a long haul tonight.
I switched back to legacy style to post this one:
Bumping the scroll wheel no longer seems to trigger a refresh in the new style. Right-click->refresh works well now, though.
Do bank examiners and shutdown specialists work on the Friday after Thanksgiving ? Could be a whopper day.
Miami-Dade County's unemployment rate is 11.4%.
Just thought you all would want to know.
Nothing new; everyone always comes here that time of year.
Anyone see this comment on the right side of the FDIC page?
Sheila is touting her new money.
HomeGnome wrote:
As they say, RDWHAHB!
Hmm, only one EST failure... I'm expecting an above par BFF due to the holiday weekend next week.
Hey, Nanoo, Nanoo, I here now but not for long.
Off to Merritt Island in a few.
W00t! My old theme workie!
montas ankle wrote:
Watch out! It's all swamp down there
lawyerliz, I've been meaning to ask you: I'm taking my family to Orlando visiting relatives in February, and I see there's a shuttle launch scheduled for the 4th. Any thoughts on how reliable that time of year is? Also, whether the experience is worth it for kids (i.e. can you get anywhere near enough to make it interesting)?
I didn't see anyone placing their bets in the previous post. Is there some procedure for entering the pool that I'm unaware of?
testing
montas ankle wrote:
Is the warning to Florida or Minnesota?
Commerce Bank has a couple of RE dudes and guy who owns a risk management & risk analysis firm on the board.
Nice.
Cinco-X wrote:
Much of Minnesota is swamp too - so works for us - except in Minnie in January you can skate on our swamps.
This morning, the secy and I were attending a session on the new Hud closing statement.
I always thought we would be saved from this. It is horribly confusing and illogical.
The banks can't possible understand it. I am warning all clients that If I don't get the package
the day before the closing, it won't be done until the next business day no matter what. I
don't care if they lose their 1% rate lock, or their wife has to give birth in the driveway, or
the Buyer has nowhere to put their furniture.
I'm mad as hell and I'm not taking it any more.
Rajesh wrote:
LOL - both.
Bearded Spock wrote:
Under "Tools" on the menu bar, select "Polls." It'll make sense from there.
dryfly wrote:
And feb, mar, apr, etc
You can enter at "Toys" at the top of the page.
Drop down will give you polls.
BFF Poll is closed for this week though.
poic wrote:
To jump for that to "an issue of concern" is a slight against the many many scientists who do very good work that they personally find interesting and believe will be of great help.
I'll add that a scientist with a good case against global warming will have a far easier time getting funding than any producing supporting evidence. Industry, government, scientists, the populace - almost everyone - would prefer that there was no down side to burning fossil fuels. The intrinsic bias is to argue against global warming, not for it.
JP wrote:
And dec and sometimes even nov - but not this year... this year you could go fishing & not have to worry about ice anywhere. Go figure.
you go girl
Com'on
New, all-time record high within reach...
dryfly wrote:
Blackened Walleye and Cuban spiced hotdish. You have been warned.
kCoop-
I'm on legacy and a couple of times today that I Edited my own posts the editied version showed upas it should but in addition there was a second identical post at the time that I made the edit.
You can view it from my yard!!! Waiting is part of the "launch
experience" The Ares went off with only one day delay. The last
shuttle launch went off perfectly and on time. You can view it from any number of bridges.
Of course there is traffic before and after. How antsy are your kids?
Not that many shuttle launches left. Not so sure the next vehicle will ever go, frankly,
nobody can make up their minds about anything--due to WH and Congress indecision--
people are going ahead and planning stuff not knowing if any of the plans are even possible.
Personally, I am jaded, I've seen so many.
Sometimes they know ahead of time it will be cancelled 'cause something needs fixing.
Sometimes an unexpected shower or the wrong kind of cloud will show up.
Sometimes a boat will steam in and have to be escorted out. Etc, etc.
Nuke wrote:
Don't know many banks that have defined benefit pension plans - usually defined contribution plans
Blackhalo wrote:
The inflation adjusted record high is in reach too; $2200 is the figure I've heard mention. Then an investor in 1980 will have broken even after 29 years. I'm sure it's just around the corner; unless inflation comes back and then the number will more higher.
dryfly wrote:
Must be the global warming.
/ducks
Picadilla.
Rabo Encendido (burning tail). I, E oxtail stew.
Yummerific.
lawyerliz wrote:
After the one blew up after launch, they canceled launches if the temp was too cold - when we were in Orlando visiting Mickey years ago, they delayed a night launch by one day due to the temp.
Are we at the mania stage yet?
Cats for Gold
And people said I was crazy for thinking that my gold would one day get me pu...... nevermind
"Absolutely Safe"
I hate when they put words like this in quotes; like "Genuine" simulated rhinestones.
Sheila, could you remove the quotation marks please? We'll all sleep a little better.
dryfly wrote:
Asian Carp have made it past the barrier into Lake Michigan on a side note
heh, Minnie in Minnie- Disney on Ice, get it?
"Asian Carp have made it past the barrier into Lake Michigan on a side note "
Asian Crap has made it past the Pacific barrier into the whole of North American from what I've seen
Yep, the hub wrote some software for the go-no go decision for the cold. It's never
been used. Never got that cold again where launching decisions had to be made.
On the Verge of Self Mutilation wrote:
Thanks for the laugh. Haven't had one all week.
Will check in later.
I was going to vote a high number. Like 9 or 10, oh well.
Thanks. Sounds like it's quite hit and miss.
I don't swallow the whole "gold is posed to skyrocket" hype, but anyone who doesn't have at least a 5% hedge in precious metals is operating without a safety net.
kcoop wrote:
Unlike Liz - i only saw it that one time - pretty impressive going up at night - if it is a night launch, bring blankets and coffee/cocoa.
Rajesh wrote:
It's a long, long way to $2200. And gold only maintained that original, adjusted high for about one day.
Thanks, Terry. How close were you? Could you see it pretty well? And how bad was the traffic?
Comments are slow; everybody go home?
warning, OT from 2 threads back...
RD, I asked because I was looking into Hackintoshing awhile back, and it looked like a fair bit of fiddling....have the distros (Gd I hate jargon! ) become easy?
picosec wrote:
Thanks picosec. If you see this again, can you let me know?
Hope I catch you Liz, previous thread on one of those things that make you giddy: Mineral rights.
kcoop wrote:
Boy, this goes back 15+ years - I think we were right off Highway 50 - the main route between Orlando and the space center, maybe 15 miles away - the launch was a 2:00 a.m. or so in late January or early February, as they were going to the space station (think it was Russian back then) and the flight had to take off within a very short time window. The shuttle was a huge fireball against the night sky - no clouds.
Another OT: Cali state lawmakers get early pay cut:
Protest backfires: State bigwigs will get early pay cut - OC Watchdog : The Orange County Register
Keep washing those hands:
Swine flu may have hit one peak; more to come - Yahoo! News
NY MTA wants to increase fares 15.5% by 2013
kcoop..........we saw both a night and day launch............both from about twenty-miles south on the balcony of a motel room - they were AWESOME! If you have kids, make it a must.
Easier than installing a copy of Windows.
mydellmini.com will point you to self-install files and all the instruction you'll need.
(proud owner of a 2 lb. even Mini 9 hackint0sh netbook - best $350 I ever spent!)
DeutscheBank fraud? never
FT Alphaville » Blog Archive » Deutsche funds hurt by rising life expectancies
apparently they promised Americans would not live as long as they have
Mr Slippery wrote:
let me know when they are forced to use single-ply
but wow
worth the bajillion dollars we paid for them? I resent being forced to fund space toys.
Inflation?
justaskin wrote:
Took about 45 minutes and then an hour of fiddling and if you'll pardon; "stress testing." I then spent an hour "loading up" with apps like Open Office, Skype, my iTunes and such. The fiddling was of the most minor issues like trackpad sensitivity and not necessary for full functionality following the web recipes.
.........if the committee can decrease their per diem rate as well, it would also make as much sense.
Mike in Long Island wrote:
Feather bedding?
Cinco-X wrote:
Catching up on the union pension contributions?
Bearded Spock wrote:
I'd rather fund space toys than bridges to nowhere, or studies on why the opposite sexes attract each other, or...
In honor of next Friday:
YouTube - Black Friday by Steely Dan
TJ and The Bear wrote:
Just a few more billion and they'll have it figured out, they think it's in the water.
bearded spock
NASAsolutions: Benefits of the Space Program
some benefits brought to you by nasa
Bearded Spock wrote:
Pretty funny, considering your handle. Or is that the beard talking?
gabyjan wrote:
To me, the payoffs are well worth the tiny fraction of the budget that goes to NASA. Yes, there are debatable priorities, but the costs are so small that's not worth talking about in terms of the national budget debate.
I threw up a bit in my mouth following this thread. Apparently mortgage brokers are shocked that you now need a shockingly high 640 fico for an FHA loan.
Implode-Explode Forums :: View topic - FHA Minimum Credit Score increased to 640???
Whoa...somebody wants a whole lota bling.
full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091120/bs_nm/us_hedgefunds_paulson
That's the problem with government spending. You can rationalize ANYTHING as long as some spending somewhere else was even MORE stupid/evil.
Taxes are armed robbery, even if the loot is spent wisely, which it almost never is.
Tax revenue is a common resources like a lake nobody owns. The overfishing race to the bottom will leave everybody hungry and starving eventually. Everybody has individual incentives to act against the interest of the whole society. The only solution is to eliminate all non-essential government services and privatize the rest.
it's over, only one
stay up late if you want
?? You think ??
kcoop,
The new blue is very nice. I am not going to use it but it is.
JP wrote:
At the end of Mirror Mirror, Kirk convinced me that loyalty the the Terran Empire was illogical.
volker the viking wrote:
I know the left coast is a shadow of its former importance but come on it is only 3:30.
"The only solution is to eliminate all non-essential government services and privatize the rest. "
Bwahaha, yep that'll work well. American Corporations have shown over the last 20 years how well privatization has worked.
Better buy your hacienda and load up on beans and ammo if we follow this route.
Nanoo-Nanoo wrote:
That's a pretty low bar. I've been doing that for years.
Hey, anyone want to invest in the sm_landlord gold fund? I'll take commitments as low as $1 million.
Note to SEC investigators: Yes, I am kidding. No, really. I'm not starting a hedge fund or soliciting investments.
do FDIC employees get holiday pay for working Thanksgiving or Christmas? is there an official policy that aims to avoid work around such days?
or maybe Bair really cares about optics and is going to close 50 on American Thanksgiving while the news covers black friday stampedes
wonder if some FR employee will be helpful and estimate the added cost of delaying bank closures for months/years
Rob Dawg wrote:
Oh no. In terms of capital destruction the left coast is only just getting warmed up.
bearly wrote:
Oh yeah, they haven't anything yet!
bearly wrote:
Yeah, just wait for the CRE rollover attempts to blow up. We'll show you some losses!
Willing to bet $10 to the tip jar on that?
I'll take the other side.
I think SB's feelin' feisty tonight.
well, I'll be right until I'm not
Have to chip in on the Global Warming debate from the last tread and i am quite shocked!!
Schocked that none of you came up with the real tread of man made co2.. stuff the warming its the Acid lvl in the ocean wich is the real bummer!!
When all these little shell critters at the start of the Foodchain dissolve may you can really start to eat your greenbacks....
here a little to raed for a start:
http://wwwp.dailyclimate.org/tdc-newsroom/acid-test/the-oceans-acid-test
That was good. Don't forget the migration of population and the crash of the ecosystem too!
Mook wrote:
I don't gamble, I'm in advertising.
nova wrote:
we be gwynne see a reverse migration of historic proportion once we hits bottom
Bearded Spock wrote:
I don't like the idea of Bechtel privatizing water, they jack the rates up for already built infrastructure and then basically threaten to destroy you if you have a rain barrel to collect water from the gutter for use in watering the garden
/disclosure: met the ex-CEO of Bechtel, he was an ass
cute doggie calling me again, night folks, enjoyed the company as always.
Rob Dawg writes:
Of course there's climate change. It a freakin' climate. If it stops changing, that's the time to worry.
I see someone who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.
sm_landlord wrote:
Maguire is already mortally wounded.
we be gwynne see a reverse migration of historic proportion once we hits bottom
Yep. Thank glod for C4C or half of them would never get over the Rockies
poic wrote:
Corporatism is not real capitalism. Corporate abuse of power is AMPLIFIED, not diminished, by the Sate. I consider central government to be an inherently evil and inefficient institution that is incapable of meaningful reform. It is like slavery in this respect. Some would even call it a form of slavery. as Lysander Spooner wrote: "A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years. "
LOL, fair enough.
But really, where else would you rather be on a Friday night than right here, anyway?
Hoopajoops LTD wrote:
I see someone who takes comments out of context and passes personal denigration off as substantive commentary.
*To me, the payoffs are well worth the tiny fraction of the budget that goes to NASA. *
Yes they are, but NASA is having to rein in its ambitions, from what I read.
Hoops, how come afterthecrash is password protected?
If I sold you my gold tomorrow at $1,200, I would reach my target, you would get more gold, and we would both be in the Guinness Book of Records, right?
"Corporatism is not real capitalism. Corporate abuse of power is AMPLIFIED, not diminished, by the Sate. I consider central government to be an inherently evil and inefficient institution that is incapable of meaningful reform. It is like slavery in this respect. Some would even call it a form of slavery. as Lysander Spooner wrote: "A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years. ""
Who gives a flying f**k what it is or isn't. Your solution is to privatize all" un-needed" services. All I need to do is look back over the last 20 years and know with certainty that
Privatize services in the US = FAIL (for American citizens).
Bearded Spock wrote:
EvilHenryPaulson wrote:
Monopolies are only possible given the existence of the State. The original monopolies were GRANTED by the Crown and enforced by government guns. In the free market, the more a monopoly charges, the more incentive there is for someone to compete against it.
Bearded Spock wrote:
Interesting example as without taxes to pay for the enforcement of the public good, to maintain sustainable use, and personal freedoms, we would all be on Easter Island or in Slavery.
The only solution is to eliminate all non-essential government services and privatize the rest.
THE KNIFE THAT GRIPS THE HAND
Each one has a secret life
Of which he may not be aware,
Thumb the sharp edge of the knife,
It has a blade that will not wear
It has a handle made of bone,
A hand that draws it from the sheath,
There is a skin but who has known
What organs live the skin beneath?
But if he flicks a thumb against
The steel of it the steel will ring,
Be not stubborn in pretence,
The tempered steel of it can sing
It is the knife that holds the hand
And grips by force the gripping man:
Those who think to strike a blow
Will pierce beneath more than they know
Pavel
November 20, 2009
Mook wrote:
I am here, I'm listening.
What's the frequency, Kenneth?
Rob Dawg writes:
I see someone who takes comments out of context and passes personal denigration off as substantive commentary.
Ok, have it your way, if you want to up the dick ante.
Rob Dawg writes:
Oh no. The warmists won't go quietly. There's a lot of whining and finger pointing and startling new evidence to replace all the falsified data. Read the responses above. The replies all seek to change the subject from AGW to global climate change. This is an old trick that no one even bothers to riposte. Of course there's climate change. It a freakin' climate. If it stops changing, that's the time to worry.
It's obvious from the bolded passage that you don't understand the difference between climate and weather, two fundamentally important terms that someone must understand to grasp the basic facts of and form any real opinion about the climate change debate. Ergo, your opinion is probably formed out of ignorance and whatever you're saying on the subject should be disregarded.
Happy?
In the free market, the more a monopoly charges, the more incentive there is for someone to compete against it.
Seen any free markets lately? Mine ran off with the Chinese cashier at Jacks Deli
Bearded Spock
explain any kind of infrastructure
explain any company that achieves dominance and then squats on its market share
you're dreaming
*Monopolies are only possible given the existence of the State. *
It could sometimes be the other way around.
This party is boooring.
I'm taking my pants off.
"Monopolies are only possible given the existence of the State."
Utter, utter tripe and bs.
Only the state has guns? Monopolies have only existed throughout history when granted by a government?
Corporations are governments unto themselves. They don't need states or the protection of states to maintain their monopolistic power.
EvilHenryPaulson wrote:
He might be dreaming.
Consider Sears and Roebuck, Pabst Blue Ribbon, General Motors. Want more?
Bearded Spock wrote:
No, I am pretty sure that the original monopolies were when the guy with the bigger muscles and the bigger stick, took all the food. Some individuals banded together into families and clans, and you then had the first governments.
What you seem to advocate is anarchy, which of course, is the quickest path to totalitarianism.
Mook wrote:
Playing pool with rock-n-roll chicks.
Still got four hours to go and there's no movie I want to see tonight.
HomeGnome wrote:
Okay, just don't fart on the naugahide, it's all we got left from the good old days.
Blackhalo wrote:
You are making some dangerous and unproven assumptions: Is it even possible to enforce the public good as in through threat of state violence? If it is, are you certain that this is the most efficient was to accomplish this task?
The Invisible hand enforces public good better. Otherwise we wouldn't have won the cold war.
The State is the biggest threat to personal freedoms. You are attempting to cure a headache with a guillotine.
broward wrote:
Really? I bet they get quite a kick out of old Browie. And you're right, the movies suck tonight.
this is going nowhere, catch you on the flip-side
nova wrote:
It must be you.
The State is the fence that allows you to play in the meadow blissfully unaware of the wolves on the other side.
Hoopajoops LTD wrote:
spot on
nova wrote:
Ok, you got me: why?
Of course, you may never use it if I don't get the kinks out. And after all the browser whacking I've done over the last three weeks for this, I'm considering bagging it. I can't believe the state of browsers after so many years.
It's not an easy problem even to explain, guys. What it boils down to is that our species still has not figured out to build and live in lasting mass societies. So they evolve more or less out of control until they achieve stasis or an end state indistinguishable from disintegration. And then, in either case, they evolve some more.
All right Spock, come clean: are you a troll or a simpleton?
" nova wrote:
Hoops, how come afterthecrash is password protected?
It must be you. Smile "
I only get a request for a password when I'm not wearing my tin-foil hat. When I put it on I get in seamlessly, no login required.
Blackhalo wrote:
What you seem to advocate is anarchy, which of course, is the quickest path to totalitarianism.
I totally agree with the first part. States are the ultimate monopolies. All of you who are opposed to monopolies should oppose the State. The second part is a complete non sequitur. Freedom is the quickest path to slavery? Anarchic Iceland lasted 300 years. in case you aren't counting, that's almost 50% longer than our current experiment in "limited" government.
EvilHenryPaulson wrote:
Really? Hadn't heard that - oh well - it was just a matter of time - wonder if lamprey like Asian carp?
Anyway - now what they need to do is find a use for them & turn the lakes back into a commercial fishery. Make cat food from them if nothing else. They concentrate into fairly dense schools during spawn so should be commercially fishable. Got lemons - make lemonade - all we can do.
volker the viking wrote:
check out "Untitled" - good flick.
C'mon tumblin dice don't fail me now... Mo BFF.
C
It probably is me. I have a WWII German helmet I wear in place of tinfoil. Only one problem. The dreams...
kcoop
It is because the legacy is cleaner and easier on my eyes. It could be also that I am getting old and resist change.
One ping and one ping only.
I am struck by the response to the findings of two task forces regarding mammograms and pap smears. . It seems to follow the pattern of so much of our dialogue these days- "facts, evidence, who needs those - I know what I believe and that is it" If you have taken years to study a particular subject matter - your opinion counts for nothing after all you are just an elite expert.
I think the Republican response to these recommendations- "this is a prelude to government rationing" . Pray how do we determine what is effective? By the anecdotes on blogs?
Bearded Spock wrote:
Anarchy != Freedom. And with that you have clearly demonstrated your trollishness and lack of logic. Thank Koop for ignore.
"Anarchic Iceland lasted 300 years. in case you aren't counting, that's almost 50% longer than our current experiment in "limited" government."
Ever read the sagas? Insecurity and vendetta, violence and the power of the strong over the weak is your idea of a good time? Try The Happy Warriors, by Haldor Laxness.
metabear wrote:
we settled on the Morgan Freeman flick from last year on Home Bored Oldster
kcoop wrote:
HAHAHAHA.
They are a kludge of junk, layer of layer of makeshift, half-baked add-ons.
The web was never designed to be an application platform.
I really liked using Adobe Flex in our last project.
A lot of that stupidity goes away.
nova, I took it down... Should I put something up there?
crazyv writes:
spot on
Yes did you see that there, I totally personally attacked Rob Dawg by viciously and unfairly pointing out an area of knowledge he expounds on but lacks basic understanding of. I was totally out of line. He expressed his opinions on global warming and to question that is hurtful and vicious. By pointing out his ignorance of basic terminology, I took it to the next level, I made it personal. There's a line, I crossed it. There's nothing I'm incapable of, I will turn any civil debate into the most vicious of blood feuds. Nothing is out of bounds with me, I'm crrrrrrrrrrrrrrazy
I'm with nova on the design. Legacy is less busy, cleaner, and more coherent visually.
C
One freaking failure so far?
Just one?
WTF, Shelia?!?
Get Busy!
broward wrote:
But, but, but Dr. Oracle said we'd all be net-computing soon - some day - right?
Hoops,
No. Though I am open to ideas. Oh, click here!
nova wrote:
The State itself is a pack of wolves. A monopoly on the initiation of force. Nobody has yet argued otherwise or even argued that the monopoly is justified. It's me vs. everybody here. Surely somebody can make a real counterargument without resorting to ad hominem or other logical fallacies.
No one has countered my argument that government revenues are a common resource subject to the tragedy of the commons. It is an observable fact that we are in a race to the bottom. I am the only one who has proposed a solution. If you can do better, spill it.
Nothing is out of bounds with me, I'm crrrrrrrrrrrrrrazy
---I've known this about you for awhile now, Hoopa.
kcoop wrote:
It is pathetic, isn't it? Have you considered dropping support for IE6 and other dead code? You could just feed them the legacy CSS only and be done with it. I'm OK if Lynx doesn't work either.
Perhaps when you are finished you can present the evidence that my claiming that climate change is occurring is proof that I cannot tell the difference between climate and weather.
I am the only one who has proposed a solution.
Spocky, I don't do messiahs.
Isn't this the sister bank of Milburn Drysdale's Commerce Bank of Beverly Hills?
"As president of the Commerce Bank of Beverly Hills, Milburn Drysdale is determined to keep the fortune of one of its biggest depositors, Jed Clampett, in its place. From the day they move in, the Clampetts are wary of big city ways, and Drysdale makes it his personal mission to keep them from packing up the old pickup and moving back to Bug Tussle. Since his motivation is pure greed, it's fortunate that most of Drysdales attempts at manipulating the Clampetts backfire miserably. An expert suck-up, Drysdale is married to the impossibly snobby socialite, Margaret, and is stuck supporting her gad-about son, Sonny."
Was Jas Jain a Star Trek fan?
Dems fight over funds left from bailout - Yahoo! News
1]Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank, the powerful chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, wants to direct $2 billion of repaid Troubled Asset Relief Program funds to loans for unemployed homeowners so they can avoid foreclosure.
2] Senate Democrats want to put a big chunk — say, $40 billion — toward loans to small businesses
3]Geithner and his team are leaning toward extending the bailout fund beyond its Dec. 31 expiration date
4]House Democratic Caucus Chairman John Larson of Connecticut wants dough to fund job-creation legislation
As long as you're up; could you get me a beer?
broward wrote:
I've been a big fan of good design for most of my career. A book I read a while back (as I contemplated moving over to architecture) shook me up: How Buildings Learn by Stuart Brand. The web is a perfect example of his thesis, which is that good design with its brittle nature is often outperformed by organic, quick, hacked together crap. Drupal is another great example of this.
dryfly wrote:
Well, we are, but in a kludgy, labor-intensive way.
If all banks had a Miss Hathaway, we wouldn't be IN this mess!
That's not Jas. The sentence structure is too complex.
Bearded Spock wrote:
I could but it would require effort and be pointless, much like a coding test in an interview.
nova wrote:
Just wonderin'. BTW, congrads in the publication. That's something new, right?
Blackhalo wrote:
anarchy obviously means freedom from the State. as the state is the biggest threat, that's certainly a step in the right direction.
They'd be pretty boring stories if they were about the places and periods where everybody got along peacefully. A good comparison is the American West of cowboy movies. Not nearly as violent as the stories would imply. in modern times, we export our violence to the middle east or places like Juarez, Mexico but the amount of violence is not less and almost certainly greater than Saga era Iceland.
kcoop wrote:
Thus explaining my disdain for urban planners. Can you imagine the web with ANSI or MIL specs? Remember Ada?
sm_landlord wrote:
Ha! I have dropped support for IE6, and IE7 even. These problems are between IE8, Safari 4, and Firefox 3.5! After several years away from this stuff, I had hoped it would have improved. But, as Broward points out, it is layers upon layers of cruft.
Straw Man. the obvious qualification is "on this thread." You know that. You're not that stupid.
"Surely somebody can make a real counterargument without resorting to ad hominem or other logical fallacies."
You wouldn't be able to post on this blog without monopolies and/or monopolistic behaviour.
DARPANET <-- your ability to post on this blog is a result of a government funded cold-war project
web-browsing <-- came out of government and finally coporate monopolies
domain-name resolution, networks <-- came out of government monopolies
If you are against every facet of a monopoly and/or central government then please put your money where your mouth is and stop posting.
Alright, I'm all oiled up.
Who wants to play Twister?
broward wrote:
Prove it. Provide a link.
Perhaps when you are finished you can present the evidence that my claiming that climate change is occurring is proof that I cannot tell the difference between climate and weather.
Rob Dawg, the sentence you wrote is enough for me to make my point, that you don't know the difference between climate and weather, and that this basic ignorance of simple terminology makes you pretty much incapable of understanding the issues or reading up on and forming an independent opinion about them.
Go look this shit up, man, get the basic terms and vocabulary down, it's not that hard. Then you'll understand why saying it's cause for concern for a climate to stop changing telegraphs to everyone that you don't know anything about climate science.
But first, how was I personally denigrating you by pointing that out? Can you just simply not take it when someone points out you're wrong, or you don't know something, is that some blood-feud shit with you? Or are you ready to admit that you shouldn't have snapped at me like that, and that I wasn't taking your shit out of context OR personally denigrating you?
Every Gouvernement work if the ppl at the top are honest and true servants of the ppl. Want some evidence:
Bhutan- contitutional monarchie place 13 or so of the most happy ppl on earth
Swizerland- Direct democracy - nice, friendly clean, peacefull
Katar- Absolute Monarchie - seems to work to for them
its the integrity of the leadership, NOT the system!!!
Rob Dawg wrote:
Are we sure ADA wasn't just a scheme by the Military Industrialist Complex to ensure that their preferred suppliers would always get the bid?
Yes. It all began here too.
kcoop wrote:
I agree with that, with the caveat that you're operating in a dynamic environment.
After an environment matures, you can create a good design that works much better than kludge.
Google Chrome is a good example.
it's actually designed by people that know how sucky "ad hoc" can be.
I've been waiting for somebody to do real designed OS to knock out MS, I thought Sun was going to do with variations of the JVM on the wire they were doing for telecomm but it looks like it's Google.
Ah, caught in a cold bitter drizzle of climate arguments.
Nothing wrong with the weather here!
Can we sue the FDIC for not providing sufficient entertainment for BFF? The consequences of this failure to fail is horrific.
nova wrote:
Can I have your autograph?
kcoop wrote:
Not to argue (I'm a fan of Brand's book), but his is a perfect example of survival bias
. For less optimism along the same theme, check out Camilo Jose Vergara's "American Ruins" for a great study of how buildings change over time -- and not for the better.
Rajesh wrote:
Can the IRS audit you for the hell of it?
Another straw on the recovery camel's back. In a weird sort of way.
Ignorance is the surest way to certainty...
Glod knows the climate has never changed on this here planet.
Cinco-X wrote:
pretty much. What's your point?
Fort Myers ...
Thomas Edison's winter home and Florida's very own Nile Monitor Lizard enclave.
Hope those Minnesota bankers can run fast
Cinco-X,
Sure. You might want to wait until my patient assistant comes back from Kinkos with my glossies
broward wrote:
Trouble is, there is seldom if ever any funding to do that. So the kludge lives on until a more compelling kludge replaces it.
Rob Dawg, you were wrong to say I was personally denigrating you, and I did not take your sentence out of context unfairly. Admit it. You know I am right, and you were wrong.
Outsider,
Did you check the backyard?
Denninger had an interesting article on global warming on his site today. I've never researched the subject, but I thought his writing had some interesting info.
Right foot blue.
nova: AWESOME on the paperback. Let me know how sales go.
Its not the Weather in "Climate Change", IT IS the Acid level of the Ocean wich is dangerous!! (see link above). And there is no way to avoid responsibility of that from Mr. Industrial Humankind!!! We are causing that for sure..
sm_landlord wrote:
I disagree that it's a funding issue.
It's a monopoly power issue.
Maybe the brakes failed and he rolled into my backyard. I'll have to check tomorrow.
Hoopajoops LTD wrote:
If I do will you also insist I retract the original claim that there is climate change going on?
I have Bank Balls.
Not even 2?
I gotta watch a doom flick tonight and get my release.
poic wrote:
DARPANET <-- your ability to post on this blog is a result of a government funded cold-war project
web-browsing <-- came out of government and finally coporate monopolies
domain-name resolution, networks <-- came out of government monopolies
So nuclear power would never have been developed without government funding? What about Radar? How do you know that the internet wouldn't have arrived SOONER without such a huge chunk of GDP going to fund wasteful products and research? You totally ignore the opportunity costs. Where did DARPA get the money and manpower to develop DARPANET? You think those resources wouldv'e sat idle if Uncle Sam hadn't mobilized them? You can't even imagine those resources put to another, possibly better use?
HomeGnome wrote:
you better damn well be sitting on a towel
RE wrote:
Well, I am certain of my ignorance in many things, and am open to new ideas. But I do not suffer fools lightly, when there are so, many, brilliant people to learn from.
For example, I disagree greatly with Cinco-X on many subjects, but at least he can form a cogent argument.
Don't beat yourself up over it.
nova wrote:
I'll send you an e-mail next week. kcoop's fixed the contact stuff.
You can't even imagine those resources put to another, possibly better use?
Spocky,
I often wish they had spent it on making better earphones.
volker<
I found some baby oil in the bathroom so I oiled myself up.
Now I'm playing Twister.
Right hand red.
Makes me want to gag.
And bind.
Pavel -
Swine Flu mutates in Norway to a more deadly form.
Mutated Swine Flu Strains Block Drugs, Worsen Illness (Update2) - Bloomberg.com
Outsider wrote:
HEre's the link to his source:
http://www.investigatemagazine.com/australia/latestissue.pdf
WARNING: BIG pee-dee-eff
broward wrote:
What environment isn't, really? And building requirements aren't changing nearly as rapidly as software, but they still have massive flops.
Of course there are counterexamples. Witness the iPhone.
Okay. I will go to auto refresh mode until then
Blackhalo wrote:
My comment wasn't at all directed at you... But in fact supportive of your statement.
LOL. The Dawg can be surprisingly sensitive and quite prickly. But he has many redeeming qualities.
But Spock on the other hand … say hello to shill, Lobbyist Ben Dover and Morocco Bama for me!
Rob Dawg writes:
If I do will you also insist I retract the original claim that there is climate change going on?
Absolutely not, but I take it with a huge grain of salt, and I advise everyone else to, for reasons I've already stated. I just don't think you're informed enough to make the pronouncements you've been making, and I think it's very irresponsible and possibly even immoral to accuse huge swaths of people of fraud and deceit given the level of understanding of the actual science you've displayed by your statements here.
weirner?
Swine Flu mutates in Norway to a more deadly form.
Yes, It makes people very pale and slow speaking.
sm_landlord wrote:
Innovation plays out over time. You do what you can with what you know and have at hand. But over time, any space matures and standardizes. What I write now is 10x better than what I wrote ten years ago. Some of that is me but some of it is the design of the tools and environment.
Cars are a good example. They're light-years more reliable than in 1925. You could not run the modern freeway system (in inner cities) with cars from 1925 at the current levels of saturation. Just too much breakages.
Blackhalo wrote:
Likewise, and I also admire your patience; I put him on ignore a half an hour ago, even though I don't necessarily disagree with him. It's obvious he's just trolling, and I haven't got the patience for that.
"How do you know that the internet wouldn't have arrived SOONER without such a huge chunk of GDP going to fund wasteful products and research? You totally ignore the opportunity costs. Where did DARPA get the money and manpower to develop DARPANET?"
Read up on the history of DARPANET
They were competing against a proposal put forward by private companies (AT&T and Honeywell I believe). AT&T wanted to use inferior token-ring technology as it would have allowed them to maintain a monopoly on the network going forward.
The government run, government funded program finished in half the time, under budget and with a revolutionary (at the time) network that still to this day underpins much of today's web.
Black and white views may work for you (where all government is bad, all monopolies are bad, all private entities are good). But not for me.
gabyjan wrote:
Does he have that schadenfreude thing going on?
I'm just glad that Al Gore had the foresight to invent the internet.
Amazing. It isn't about the statement which you lambasted but other comments you didn't both to mention until now.
There's still no evidence that I don't know the difference between climate and weather. That's where the personal insult comes in. You have no idea whether I know the difference but it was a convenient snippet from which to launch a diatribe. Show me where I have confused climate and weather.
cinco-x
they sure can
broward wrote:
Now you're just beating up on Microsoft
What I have observed is that once you get a kludge up and running to the point where the users are getting what they need, it's unlikely that you'll get them to pay for a re-write just to make it work 10% better and be simple to maintain. Instead, users will pay for expensive patches until they throw up their hands and demand something completely new. Lather, rinse, repeat.
And Anthropomorphic Global Warming
HomeGnome wrote:
I believe that was under the supervision of Bill Clinton during his third term-
I invite all doubters to debate their theories at these sites. Just face the fact that climate scientists and statisticians will be debating with you:
Open Mind
realclimate.org
HomeGnome wrote:
"Internets". Gotta get it right.
My mistake, TJ.
homeGnome
? right foot blue?????
Hi Gary, Moe say Hi also!
Just keep both hands on the keyboard and you'll be okay.
It seems like the Global warming alarmists need to prove several things:
1-that CO2 is increasing in the Atomosphere
2-that higher CO2 levels are the result of human action
3-that higher levels of CO2 cause warming.
4-that the warming is a positive feedback loop (that the rate of warming is increasing)
5-that warming has a net negative impact on the environment
6-that even if 1 thru 5 is true, that this is the biggest problem humanity has to confront and that addressing it won't exacerbate other problems to the point where they would be a bigger threat that climate change.
only points one and two have been proven by a preponderance of the evidence. Now let's quit fretting about something that will will be fortunate to live long enough to encounter, assuming there's any merit to it at all.
left hand green
Playing Twister, gabyjan.
HomeGnome wrote:
You guys are playing naked twister!?
So are you all up for some serious doom? Had a pretty ugly experience this week made me think the wheels are falling off for at least some of the population... he's the story:
I was driving down to a customer plant visit in Missouri. I love to drive late at night and was going to get into my hotel about 1AM. I stopped at a 'Quickie Fill' type gas station C Store combo on the Interstate to fill up... it was about midnight. Pretty rural overpass - from there I was going off the interstate on to rural two lane highway to the hotel near the factory.
I fueled up & paid at the pump [CC] and then went in to pee & get some coffee... there were three people in line at the check out in front of me. The person doing the check out was an elderly woman - I mean old like 80s old. The two guys in front of me were drivers for UPS and were buying coffee & junk before a long haul - one was heading north to Minneapolis & the other to Dallas - they talked and it was clear they were friends.
The old woman at check out screwed up the first person's change BADLY. The guy was nice & corrected her. She then made change for the second person... screwed that up too BADLY... he too corrected her politely... they went off muttering. She then made change for me... I gave her a $1 bill and a dime for a $1.03 cup of coffee and she gave me 47 cents back... she couldn't tell the difference between a nickle and a quarter... I then looked at her carefully - she was completely F'ed up... buzzed out of her mind. She then confessed her pain meds were acting up and she had an appointment to see her doctor the next day. I told her right then and there - you need to call your manager and go home - see the doctor, get it straightened out and then come back to work when its right. She all but started crying saying she and her husband need her job to get buy - she had to come into work even though he had protested too - but it wasn't an option.
Wow. What do you say?
She was hunched over pretty bad & I'm guessing she had a ton of arthritis and was buzzing on Oxycontin but trying to make it through a long third shift on a very remote & somewhat vulnerable stretch of rural interstate at 80 y/o or something - crazy if not outright dangerous.
I tried to talk her into calling somebody - her husband, manager - somebody. She'd have none of - she needed those hours and the meager pay they produced. I eventually went on my way - I'll never forget it though.
I can only imagine how bad her count out was the next morning [assuming she made it to 'next morning'].
Wow. is that our future?
Okay now match that with the next day. The factory I was in is running 9-10 hour days 6 days a week - typical is a straight 40 hr week - so we are talking balls to the wall overtime. I was told they might have to step it up more - either go to 12 hour days a day or seven days a week. The company is foreign owned [Japanese transplant though nonautomotive]. They are loading the plant up like crazy due to the week dollar.
What a weird week. That was two nights ago.
Cinco-X wrote:
Now who is trolling?
What do you guys want to listen to:
Steely Dan, Styx or Abba?
HomeGnome wrote:
I thought they were angels, but much to my surprise...
Cinco-X wrote:
naked, oiled up twister
RE wrote:
In other words, people with a vested interest in global warming, or at least the popular belief in it, being real. I wonder if the Nobel committee will ask for Al Gore's award back when it turns out this was at best, a gross misunderstanding like poly-water.
Left foot yellow.
poic wrote:
AT&T was a government-enforced monopoly! Honeywell was a major government contractor. These were NOT free market companies. The were effectively arms of the State. Political entrepreneurship (lobbying to create, protect or grow market share) is NOT free market activity. You are proving my point. These practices are obviously coercive, but it is the existence of the state that makes them possible.
Blackhalo wrote:
You know that this is a quote from Bill Clinton himself, right?
TJ and The Bear wrote:
TJ, I've spent a lot of time in that space and please note that Al Gore got the Webby award for his Lifetime achievements in the space..
In addition, the Webby to Gore was presented by Vint Cerf which is about as big an honor as you can get if you are aware of the history of the "internets".
"If all banks had a Miss Hathaway, we wouldn't be IN this mess! "
Now why do you have to go and bring the missus into this?
dryfly wrote:
Thanks for that story, dryfly. Your stories from the front are one of the main reasons I keep checking the comments here. I sure hope that woman is OK now. I suspect that we have 20-30 years ahead of us with lots of stories like that as the baby boomers retire with almost nothing saved, except for phantom wealth based almost exclusively on asset price inflation.
There's still no evidence that I don't know the difference between climate and weather.
No evidence at all? How uncharitable of you. I guess if you're the judge of whether sufficient evidence has been placed on the table to show that you're wrong, it's a sad day for me.
Fortunately for me, I don't need to present enough evidence to satisfy you. You clearly don't understand the terms you were throwing around, and I pointed it out, that's enough for me. Issue settled. Beyond that, pointing out your ignorance does not place on me any responsibility to cure you of that ignorance so that you understand how or why you were using the terms incorrectly. I'm not interested in convincing you that I'm right, an impossible task in this case regardless of the facts, I suspect. I'm more interested in pointing out that you don't know what you're talking about regarding climate science, so others take your broad accusations of conspiracy and fraud with a grain of salt.
Amazing. It isn't about the statement which you lambasted but other comments you didn't both to mention until now.
I think I was pretty fucking clear in going after you for accusing me of personal denigration and out of context quoting. These are accusations which you still have not retracted or apologized for. Or even explained. Seriously, how the fuck is that a personal attack? How the FUCK was that taken out of context unfairly?
Right hand yellow
Hey, no pushing.
+1.
I've been kicking that exact same example around in my head for weeks.
HomeGnome wrote:
What fun is naked, oiled up twister without a little "pushing"!?
Government is fine when it exists to protect dopes and down-n-outs.
It's fine in a nation of laws, not men.
But when government is a tool of the monied class, and its power is used to exploit and discipline the dopes, it's hell.
We need government. Just not this one.
Cinco-X wrote:
I try not repeat myself but this time I simply have to.
Ignorance is the surest way to certainty...
poic wrote:
My first project was for the Federal gov't. It was a dreamworld compared to the corporations I've seen during the past five years. The amount of skullduggery, slandering, manipulation, ass-covering is unreal. Every other project (which are really simple compared to what I did before) is filled with political problems, sabotage, battling for power, etc.
I'm so fucking tired of it, it's never fun anymore.
Right hand green
No fun at all, Cinco.
Anyone know what the best thing was before sliced bread?
If you support the State but oppose monopolies, then why do you support the State's monopoly on governance?
RE wrote:
What about unquestioning belief?
RE wrote:
Hey, I was just pouncing on the popular humor.
I definitely credit him for cheerleading high-tech -- us IT guys liked that -- although (just like with the so-called budget surpluses) both Bill & Al just happened to be in the right place at the right time.
Better use of his VP time than Cheney's, THAT's for sure.
HomeGnome wrote:
Yes-
Anyone know what the best thing was before sliced bread?
Sex.
Back then, when they first pioneered the technology, it was a really, really good loaf of bread, okay? Since then the illuminati have altered the recipe...
Bearded Spock<
You are farting into the wind...
Hoopajoops LTD wrote:
A few quotes or references to where I confused climate and weather would go a long way towards clearing up any confusion. My admitting to climate change doesn't cover it especially since you now realize I was accepting the fact of climate change. Still, I'd say an evidence free swear word laden reply on your part pretty much demonstrates that it isn't about the record. As I stated early on the warmists were not going to go down quietly. Perhaps a little quiet time under one of the fabled "twelve trees of Yamal" is in order.
dryfly wrote:
That is why hubby and I spend several hundered bucks a month on my mom. No way could she make it on SS + what she gets of my dad's pension after he passed away.
Dad's pension was plenty, but the survivor benifits suck.
Rob Dawg writes
A few quotes or references to where I confused climate and weather would go a long way towards clearing up any confusion.
I quoted the exact sentence where you conflated the two. You know, the exact sentence you said was taken out of context. Now where in that post did I personally denigrate you? Anywhere in that post? Or did I not do that?
Hoopajoops LTD wrote:
Someone is very certain of themselves (and none too excitable, too). Skepticism is healthier all the way around...
Dang it.
I put too much oil on and I slipped so I'm outta the Twister game.
Time for an Extra Spicy Bloody Mary.
Cinco-X wrote:
That is exactly what ideologues have... I agree. Scientists don't suffer much from that illness. It doesn't make them very successful.
Hoopajoops LTD wrote:
Your personal interpretation.
Tj and The Bear writes:
Your personal interpretation.
Shit, he has found the fatal flaw, the perfect counter to... everything I've ever said. And he vanishes into the night.
You Climate change dudes barking up the wrong tree!! i link again:
http://wwwp.dailyclimate.org/tdc-newsroom/acid-test/the-oceans-acid-test
and there IS no denying it is OUR CO2 doing it.. that simple!
Unraveling the maritime foodchain isnt smart.. but may they dig out our bones in a billion years and arguing if we where a intelligent lifeform..
HomeGnome wrote:
In space, no one can hear you fart.
Recuiter just sent me the most awesome job description I've seen this year.
20 hrs per week for 4 years sitting by myself in a cube in Boise writing simple java code.
Now that would be awesome.
Hoopajoops LTD wrote:
I'd take exception to that, but I have to deal with sex from a total cost/effect analysis point of view. Eating bread is much more sustaining and pleasant compared to the "bad" side effects from sex.
broward wrote:
The catch?
.
(Besides the obvious "It's in Boise" punchline)
HomeGnome wrote:
Ground wheat?
Rob Dawg wrote:
If you assert as you appear to that the climate is changing then at least you are in agreement with the those who are worried about climate change. If you assert as you have that climate changes (which is true) but then go on to say big deal since it changes all the time (BTW a correct statement if one is thinking in terms of millions of years but not in anything approaching a human time scale) - that is where either you either confused about terminology (and in fact you meant weather) or you have no knowledge about what you speak.
The weather changing is no big deal and yes it does happen all the time(on a human time scale)- but the climate changing is a huge deal. In fact it is climate change that is responsible for all the major developments in humanity. From the development of homo erectus , homo sapiens, to the extinction of homo neanderthalis , the development of agriculture and more recently the little ice age etc. Again if you thing those are no big deal - well then there really is nothing more to say.
just imagine, if i wasn't busy crapping out gems of poular culture, i'd probably be a middle manager in flyoverlandia firing grannies like that for a living. joy.
Mook wrote:
Bookmarked......gracias
Still waiting for something concrete on Brad Sherman, among other issues, hit-and-run dawg.
broward wrote:
jail would be more fun. JMO
"I'd take exception to that, but I have to deal with sex from a total cost/effect analysis point of view. Eating bread is much more sustaining and pleasant compared to the "bad" side effects from sex."
Eating bread AFTER sex, now that's the ticket. A nice sandwich made out of Italian bread, throw on a few slices of salami a bit of good cheese and butter. Share with your loved one.
Now that's wedded bliss.
Boise is a great place for European cultural appreciation clubs.
@dryfly
Reading your story I am reminded that with 10/17+% UE , there is lot of hurt out there . I would have expected more complaining from the general population, in the form of protests and civil disobedience. Not there yet , I suppose. Wish there was a solid, politics and Geithner proof safety net for people as old as you relate in your story.
poic wrote:
See you've limited to the role of "sex" and "bread" to a particular situation and assumed that that situation is enjoyable or desirable. I have to deal with a much broader--and sometimes less desirable--PoV. Hence, I stated "total cost/effect analysis."
dryfly,
The lady that checks you out at Bob Evans where we eat sometimes is in her 80's/late 70's. She worked retail with me and the wife 30 years ago. She worked at the local Michaels. She dies her hair brown and tries real hard now. We asked where she was the last time we were there and the hosted said "She wanders off sometimes now."
HollywoodHack wrote:
The problem is they've reached marginal gains.
That grannie can't be worth more than a couple of bucks of day in extra profit.