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You sure it's not the same size?
The western world has emerged from recession, hurrah ! This is proof if you cook the books enough anything is possible.
Shouldn't that say "which WILL be renewed indefinitely"
~splat
just keep adding countries...
basel too left question under pig
what you dont believe europe
reply to gabyjan about lysol + antibiotic resistance
gabyjan. most of their assets are in non-insured subsidiaries, but they'll still have to pay the fees on the insured deposits at the tiny little bank that they own.
ROFLOL. Yeah - GDP.
I wonder how they know with a number of countries not reporting?
Estonia is really having problems!
best to all
Wonder how Latvia is doing.
Is it still there?
Hello.......Latvia.....anyone home?
(echo)....
GDP up $1. Debt up $100. Growth baby! It's all about growth. Prosperity is another matter.
For those of you who didn't see it last night, Bridgeport is in trouble.
If you can't figure out what this means, then shame on you.
KneeMills.com - Bridgeport Knee Mill Web Portal
okay thank you and what tiny little bank i'll google
evilhenry
huh dont understand i'll google thankyou
EHP, pigged, but what NC pig farms? The state of NC?
mp. left u a message last nite but you'd already left. Is that BMI out of CT?
ok....feeling much shame
now, what can you make with a knee mill?
Outsider, Bridgeport was purchased by Hardinge some years back and moved to Elmira, NY.
mp-what about this?
harding mills financing
4.9%, 0 down, 0 payments for 90 days. Linked from left side of your link.
On the good ship
Lolliprop
Its a sweet trip
To the Goldman shop
Where bond-bonds play,
On the Hampton beach
Of generous bonus pay
Lemons stand
Everywhere
J.C. Penney brands,
Sales despair,
And there you are,
Happy landings on a chocolate bar.
See the sugar bowl
Do a tootsie roll
In a big bad devils food cake,
If you eat too much,
Oh, oh,
You'll awake,
With a pitchfork tummy ache.
On the good ship
Lolliprop
Its a nice trip,
Into bed with the politicians, you hop,
And dream away,
On the good ship
Lolliprop
The knee mill is one of the basic machine shop tools.
Eh, anecdotal. Never mind.
former Thai fugitive billionaire Thaksin spoke to a crowd of 300 Biz leaders here in Phnom Penh yesterday
even amidst the saber rattling fromThailand (he was protected by Hun Sen security detail) interesting that
he said Cambodia should not become a one or two horse town (textiles, labor) and diversify, actually
pointed at the USA as a country that did just that in finance !
....
just watched Jim TV in La Jolla did you know he once went by a monker? Jim Jama-Lama
NYT,
ok, NYT, got a problem here. Not going to post as a comment on the NYT site that will just be censored because I'm correcting you.
Care to define what official is in this context? Secondly, care to guess the odds of the next quarter having positive or negative growth given one quarter of positive growth after multiple quarters of negative growth? Maybe consider the scheduled impact of no more euro C4C, let alone the boasted budget cuts by politicians wanting to earn a badge of honor? The point is, while the end of a recession isn't tightly defined as 2 quarters of positive growth there is a good reason for that common wisdom.
Honestly, you might as well rehire Ben Stein and fill half the front page with his mugshot to give a warning as to the paper's contents
Uncle Ar, I don't know what you're getting at.
Hardinge financing for a mill doesn't help if you can't order one.
Spain is not doing too bad apparently according to the numbers with their RE Crash and banking insolvency...
In other news, a surprising development with lots of 'political' risk...
9/11 Mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed, 4 Other Guantanamo Detainees to Stand Trial in NY
Looked on the EuroStat report for error range, anyone find it? Who wants to take the over/under on the error range being 10x the reported EU zone growth rate?
I learned not go believe any of the government statistics. If they could black out Ron Paul on CNN,Fox,NBC etc during 2008 Republican race coverage right in our faces, why would not they cook the statistics that nobody but them controls. All I know is that an average person's standard of living has been in continuous decline for decades now. The growth is a mirage, because if inflation has been understated for so many years the GDP must have been overstated, over 0% I might add.
,rad EHP,
I feel as if i've endured enough Ben Steinery to last a few generations, do not wish it upon us again...
Outsider
There was an outbreak on North Carolina mega pig farms around 1999 I think. Ended up becoming Swine Flu. Pig lobbyists ended up getting the CDC to change the name to H1N1. It doesn't get discussed much because everyone wants to keep their share of the profit margins because society at large certainly doesn't pay as well when you don't cause a pandemic
Just so everyone knows, Bridgeport invented the knee mill.
It is the most popular mill in the world.
If Bridgeport folds, that's basically the end of the story.
You go to Asia to buy a mill.
Or Europe.
this just in The Times:
Two computer programmers who worked for Bernard L. Madoff’s investment firm were accused Friday of helping to cover-up the giant Ponzi scheme for more than for more than 15 years.
aid the two programmers — Jerome O’Hara, 46, of Malverne, N.Y., and George Perez, 43, of East Brunswick, N.J. — were arrested Friday at their homes.
...
give it up for Bernie at least he didn't outsource or hire a H1-B
EHP - Had no idea. I always thought these things originated in 3rd world countries.
Is Elbonia on the €?
Hu's kidding Hu? If productivity is up 9.5% over the last 2 quarters here in the US according to govt stats and unemployment is still rising, why is the trade deficit starting to go up again even in you exclude oil? What is it that we're producing more efficiently? Bullshit? And why aren't salaries rising commensurate with the 9.5% productivity growth? Are our masters serving up a bigger helping of debt shit instead of salary increases?
Gold, back at 1116+. Stopped out on the 2nd half at 1114. Sad, only a 6 pt profit on 1/2. Still, there's cheese for Eric on Dec 1. Someone's gotta help out those on foodstamps. I'll use a sliver of my profit to give away a few lbs of Cheese. Eric, like bree or will it be Mexican fresh? Just another winning trade. I'm sorry I left the protective stop so wide. I certainly didn't anticipate the quick run back up to 1115 area. Oh well, taking money whenever it presents itself. Gold is so strong here, it's bizarre. The fear is growing and gold just can't wipe out the newbies the way I know a good flush does to unwanted material. This is really ominous stuff. Here I was, ready to load the freight train at 1045 and I'm left without a short term position. Drat.
Ok, so BMI had trouble in the 90s I believe, and that's when they sold to the new company? I can still picture their facility in Bpt. Seems like this has been a story of struggle for a long time.
Outsider
the 1918 Spanish Flu was earliest traced back to the United States in March of 1918. Not that it has any relevance to today
mp, i am thinking financing ala lucent or ge, perhaps?
Duke, I hope those programmers made enough coin to keep their families happy while they are doing time in federal pmita prison, but somehow I doubt it.
Is Bridgeport still in Bridgeport CT? Even growing up, there wasn't a lot of there there.
I'm most worried about the financial situation in Freedonia, and the nether regions.
Outsider, Hardinge has been around for a long time. Their principal business is lathes.
They purchased Bridgeport.
But now, Hardinge is in trouble as well.
The political trial is a distraction. Think Red Herring. Ignore it.
Practical Machinist - Largest Manufacturing Technology Forum on the Web
Interesting site.
mp wrote:
THAT, is disturbing. For a long time, machine tools were one of the bright spots in our ('Merica's) export business. What to do now!?
Uncle Ar, I don't think you understand.
Bridgeport will not sell you a mill, even if you pay cash.
They can not make one.
gabyjan
At best, household anti-bacterial sprays/wipes/soaps do not do a better job compared to other cleaners.
At worst, household anti-bacterial products create superbugs that are not stopped by anti-biotics among other issues.
the kills 99.9% of whatever is just a marketing feature. You're better off using regular soap
mp wrote:
The Swiss used to make really nice lathes and screw machines. Don't know about mills-
Juvenal Delinquent wrote:
Nobody's worried about Elbonia!?
mp
shame on me ... for a moment I thought you were talking about Robert O Wilson' s Knee Plays
until I checked the sight and then I thought it was the model shop for the Transformer movies...
PBGC Releases Annual Management Report for Fiscal Year 2009
Glod blah blah blah Eric blah blah blah 1114 blah 1/2 blah 1115 blah cheese blah.
You can't even figure out how to use the "reply-to" button, and we're supposed to think you're a god?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.
mp, you might like:
From the American System to Mass Production, 1800-1932: The Development of Manufacturing Technology in the United States
by David A Hounshell
Johns Hopkins University Press, 1984, 440 pages, English
ISBN: 0801829755/ ISBN-13: 9780801829758
This doesn't include GB, which if I'm not mistaken, is still in recession. Perhaps this is due to the large financial sector in London.....or not-
evilhenry
thats what i figure after googleing just helps make the little bug stronger.now another question what about the antibotic we get in our meat supply.does that help it get more resistant?
forgot to say thank you, thank you evilhenry
Yes Outsider, the State, courtesy of Smithfield.
Nova, it's interesting that you mention the Practical Machinist web site.
The host of that site is a machinery dealer in South Carolina.
I've heard he's having problems as well.
Thinking about selling his building.
As to what will happen to the site, that's anyone's guess.
Gotta go, Pavlovegas-adjacent offers positive reinforcement, nice doggie.
YouTube - Hooray for Captain Spaulding - "ANIMAL CRACKERS"
I've just been painted as a
-wearing luddite by my coworkers for being the sole dissenting voice for posting the pictures and biographies of all staff members on our public website.
Sigh.
I have been trying to find the source for a murky memory, can't right now....I thought I read once that the Spanish flu was first discovered on US medical ships bringing wounded vets home from WWI. These ships stopped at many ports around the world and this is one of the ways the flu spread so fast. So the cases were present before reaching US soil, although some of the first fatalities came on US soil. I can't find what my memory remembers though, so I could be confusing something else. Not easy being an absent minded philosopher, when everything is connected, it gets all jumbled up.
The 'political' risk...911 'conspirator' trials...
In a public trial, evidence will have to be presented by the prosecution...to prove the masterminding and carrying out of the 911 attacks by the 5 Gitmo 'detainees'...and waterboarding will not be allowed...this should get interesting...and since bin Laden allededly funded Shiekh Mohammed...this 'evidence' will come out in a trial...
Thanks for the latest serial
age, nova
Uncle Ar
the guys were programmers and the story doesn't say except for Thereafter, according to the complaints, Mr. Madoff ordered Mr. DiPascali to pay the two programmers “whatever they wanted in order to keep them happy.” Thereafter, the two men received “hush money” in the form of 25-percent pay increases and bonuses of about $60,000, the civil complaint said.
.....
they should get life just for being so damn stoooopid - a real life case of Dumb and Dumber! can you can imagine
these nit wits...
"man, we're getting 250,000 a year plus a bonus of 60,000... wow, easy street !"
Contemplation...
In WWII, the US was the arsenal of democracy. We performed miracles of war production (steel, airplanes, tanks, ships, vehicles, armaments, ammunition) and basically exhausted the Germans and Japanese who couldn't replace loses fast enough. That US production depended on a whole set of technologies, expertise, and workers that no longer exists at sufficient capacity for growth to perform at that level again.
Today, we'd have to rely on the FIRE economy instead of firepower/manpower to engage in large scale warfare. We've broken our arrows and bows and surrendered to the money men.
What we blithely call the rust belt is our industrial production capacity. Thanks, Wall Street.
mp, so they don't have the money to make the machines but they have the money to loan people to buy said machines? Something wrong with that picture.
UnrealEstate wrote:
It all depends on your definition of standard of living- However using the convention definition which looks at material possessions and consumption the American Standard of living in the last decades has improved dramatically. More what ever measure you want to use per person/household. The problem is not our past standard of living but rather our future standard of living- since a large part of part consumption was financed with debt it is nothing more than the discounting of future consumption.
noob goldberg
with pride and keep your head down and your back cover. they probably will post all including address and phone numbers
wear the
mp wrote:
they can't keep up with demand?
mp wrote:
Are we sure they're dealing with what is essentially bankruptcy (working with their suppliers) or is it their suppliers that are in trouble. Can't find anything in the news about a recent bankruptcy.
noob, my wife had that issue just the other day. People don't get it. Remember when my dad deployed to Iraq, his local hometown paper ran a story about it, and mentioned where my wife and I lived at the time, and other personal details. Didn't see how this put our safety at risk. The world has changed.
gabyjan,
yup, livestock only get a half-dose to keep the costs down while reducing the number of mildly sick animals. it's very stupid, like a farmer who exhausts the soil within 3 years and turns it into a dust bowl at which time they leave town with their bags of money even though they caused significantly more in damage to everyone
short version: payback is a bitch...
Well, I looked at the Eurozone chart ... and every last one of those dumb motherf*****s are negative, year over year.
Q3 this year was worse than Q3 last year. Same ol' song and dance, my friends.
I know, they showed improvement overall (sorry, Estonia) from Q2 this year, but sheeesh, the supposed "green shoots" are just freakin' pathetic.
This is supposed to pass for "good news?" Thanks, but I just ain't buyin' it.
So, sure, go ahead & break out the champagne and caviar, Europe, unless you are an ignorant fool like me that actually looks at the data.
noob, post a picture of some obscure movie star for yourself. That way people can "recognize" you but not be too sure just exactly who you are. LOL.
At least with the Economy crumbling, there will be other 'political' things to watch that are interesting...some moves by Obama team are a little unpredictable at this point and will cause sleepless nights for some...also...consumer bailout coming?
EHP,
Are you saying that antibiotic use has something to do with H1N1?
Ok think about this one for a moment...
http://i.imgur.com/c52au.jpg
a roundup of euro-PMI Euro Watch: Global Manufacturing, France Outperforms, As Spain Continues To Flounder
Vonbek777 wrote:
I thought I read it first appeared in Kansas?
merchants,
It looks like the mainstream has picked up your currency crisis meme:
"“For the authorities, [excessive risk-taking by the financial sector] poses a dilemma. Ex-ante, they may well say “never again.” But the ex-post costs of crisis mean such a statement lacks credibility. Knowing this, the rational response by market participants is to double their bets. This adds to the cost of future crises. And the larger these costs, the lower the credibility of “never again” announcements. This is a doom loop.”
JimPortlandOR wrote:
I guess we'll have to rely on China to be the arsenal of democracy from here on out-
Maybe a new source of jobs: plastic roads.
India Tries to Solve 2 Problems at Once With Plasticized Pavement - NY Times
It takes a while to decipher the actual reporting especially when as CR says there are still lots of unreported countries. My take:
Plus Germany & France. Minus all the rest. The only reason any of the others are reporting q-o-q improvement is a statistical artifact.
Vonbek777 wrote:
We work in a pretty safe stable industry that once in a while gets rocked by a major issue. If I can imagine a scenario where some militant group could get annoyed with our organization, use that staff list against the local internet directory, and determine all of our home addresses, and still have to paint a picture why that is less than desirable...I should really just find a new job.
Slumdog,
You use a lot of words to say not much.
Gold is in the middle of massive accumulation. Don't bet against gold until accumulation weakens.
How's that for brevity?
energyecon,
Swine Flu arose from strain first identified at North Carolina factory pig farm in 1998 via CDC, Princeton, Columbia, and Edinburgh
Anti-biotic use was very likely a contributor, because even though the flu is a virus, normally the bacterial complications resulting from a flu are what kills off the animal and the flu along with it. Provided an excellent breeding ground
Rob Dawg wrote:
= dead cat bounce?
evilhenry
thanks again uh huh 1/2 dose for cow that we get some of and all the sprips for antibotics for anything and everything. sigh
did you see that picture of Sheik Mohamed? forget about Jenny Craig just get arrested, waterboarded and secretly
detained by the CIA... you come in as a fat f*ck like he was in Pakistan and you end up looking like a svelte wise man of
the Sahara...
....
just watched Jim TV in La Jolla did you know he once went by a monker? Jim Jama-Lama
but evilhenry
isnt ubs going to teach spain how to do the funky thing its been doing?
ft riley kansas
somebody should tell the Obama administration that breaking up the "too big to fail" will be a major job stimulus.
I'd be keen to see the CDC reference you cite...
What does the 1918 flu have to do with today? (This took 5 seconds to look up...)
'Scientists recreate deadly spanish flu'
'pieces of virus taken from preserved samples from 1918 victims.'
Also...'corpse dug up...'
Scientists recreate deadly spanish flu. 06/10/2005. ABC News Online
anybody else put Slumdog on the ignore list? I figure it is possible to make your point without being abusive or derogratory.
gabyjan,
From the report on page 5 (the presser link you provided has a link to the full report)
http://www.pbgc.gov/docs/2009amr.pdf
yep
rosethorn,
Interesting...'This is a doomloop.' Sums it up...
crazyv
havent ignored anyone not even jas, i found it fascinating that he could scream with out enlarge his print.
merchants of fear wrote:
Better than a "doom vortex"....
I think?!
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
Now they've accused me of being a gangster.
I'm in serious need of a
.
I never feel the need to use an ignore list.
~splat
Isn't NotaRealMerican Jas?
Cinco-X wrote:
Britian has exported its last remaining assets with economic value: Christiano Ronaldo, David Beckham, Xabi Alonso.....
crazyv wrote:
Who?
Chinese companies outsourcing manufacturing to Mexico - go figure - guess it is best to make 'em close to where you intend to sell 'em: No.1 Mexico, No.2 India, No.3 China | 13 November 2009 | www.commodityonline.com
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
I think "Slumdog" is Jas. Slumdog is a reference to "Slumdog Millionaires" which was set in India, and he's always obsessed with gold.
crazyv
how many people put slumdog on their IGNORE list?
the IGNORE list pardon my french is for Pussies....
arguments can get heated, people can have bad days, etc...
not like somebody glassed you is it?
Put Down that Ruler and Step Away, Crazyv
crazyv wrote:
How is that? You are presuming they actually create something of economic value.
Nah, he seems far too rational.
~splat
I did no such thing, noob. I gave you a perfectly acceptable out so you could go along with the program at work. Who knows, pretty soon you may be encountered at work, tell whoever you're "noob", and they'll tell you you're not because they know who "noob" is from his picture. win-win.
'In 1918 Spanish Flu was earliest traced back to the United States in March of 1918...not that it has any relevance to today.'
Scientists recreate deadly spanish flu. 06/10/2005. ABC News Online
Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:
By freeing up resources to do something worthwhile. Quants could be designing actual products instead of "financial innovations"-
thanks energyecon
was in a hurry didnt scroll down far enough
From the PBGC report page 10:
http://www.pbgc.gov/docs/2009amr.pdf
I'm not gone just yet, and my route takes me past Tehachipi, so i'll stop in the quickie mart there, and see if he's still slinging ding dongs, ho hos and slim jims.
Jas just liked to say over & over Americans were 'born & bred dopes'...he was just a some kinda disinfo spinner (simplistic info stays the same with no evidence or sources)...distracting the causes...blaming victims...
energyecon,
I can't find a concise link hosted by the CDC that goes 1998 North Carolina = Swine Flu today
might have something to do with how they had to go back through all their papers are change swine flu to H1N1 or swine flu to swine flu (in pigs) after the national pork producers successfully protested
Here is a CDC paper that does mention the H1N1 outbreak in 1998 http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol12no05/pdfs/05-1060.pdf which was notable at the time also because it led to H3N2
Here is an interview with the CDC chief virologist, CDC: swine flu strain has genetic roots in U.S.A. | Grist
he doesn't mention pig farming within the interview, but that is what he is talking about for the 1998 outbreak
I thought it would just be easier to mention Princeton, Columbia, and Edinburgh who did the work and were less restricted in saying one bad word about factory pig farming
Jas did say there were 'crooks'...but no details of course...
dont think so nar uses enlarged print and he dont scream he yells
Cinco-X wrote:
Quants are like project managers for California residential developers. It's not clear what other kind of work they can do with their current job skills. I'm still doing real estate development post-California, just in Asia.
Pray tell, what could a quant design that might qualify as "an actual product?"
Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:
You seem to have forgotten about "British Cuisine"
Duke of Con Dao wrote:
Well, from one pussy: Not all of us have a lot of time for this board. The CR posts are indispensible, but rather than skip the comments, the ignore list is an excellent way of eliminating people who consistently bring little to the discussion.
Edit: Ug, gotta run to the salt mines. :dayo:
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
Fine! They can dig ditches then.....Anything but what they've been doing the last 10 years!
Cinco-X wrote:
Again, economic value. Yeah I can't believe they even sell that shit in Spain and Thailand.
born-and-bred-american-dopes
etc-etc-amoral-scumbags...
Just wondering.
"British Cuisine" C'est un oxymoron.
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
No no no, sorry, someone at work accused me of being a gangster. So I think I'll use Tony Soprano for my picture
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
You're so Jain, you probably think this blog is about you...
Anonymous Bosch wrote:
You folks DO know what this: "
" means, right!?
jd
you gotta stop that coffee hurts coming out the nose
laters got to go play with some kittens
Everybody vote in BFF?
noob goldberg wrote:
Link please.
just kidding.
Yes, yes, of course Cinco. My comment popped out before I read yours. Mea Culpa, friend.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahah
I guess we need Jas to kick around.
Juvenal Delinquent wrote:
Wins "Best Comment of 2009" award.
energyecon,
here is probably the best link for the lineage http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/acip/downloads/mtg-slides-jun09/16-1-cox.pdf
the August 1998 outbreak first reported in North Carolina is labeled as A/Wisconsin/10/1998 H1N1
there was another paper that covered how pigs from the US went to China and then some back to Mexico and then the current outbreak
+11 JD!
QOTY
Mike in Long Island wrote:
Well, it won't be for a few weeks at least. But I haven't lost the war yet.
So falling yields increased the present value of the PBGC liability, creating the largest part of the increase in its deficit (if I am interpreting this correctly)...thus this is a cost of current interest rate policy and other market interventions pursued by the Fed? (from page 12 of the PBGC report, ht gabyjan)
http://www.pbgc.gov/docs/2009amr.pdf
Is this report about "Old Europe" ?
Insignificant.
But anything that makes money, must be good, right?
Pigs,
, whatever.
lawyerliz wrote:
Yup, I voted 9. She's got a few extra bullets in the chamber this time...
+100
~splat
guess Energyecon raised his hand about the IGNORE
and merchants of fear, boy, you have a lot of room to talk SLUMDOG=JAS, ok Sherlock...
home room over yet???
....
I don't want to belabor this point nor do I care if you see me on my various vid mash-ups
Volcker tried to tell me a picture of me wasn't me... later I was called a funny little man...
I'm getting the feeling that some of your lives are hollow and sad when IGNORE is
a call to arms...
let's see I have a hnad that wasn't set right, another hand with a broken finger,
a broken rib that was given the proper care,
a total of I think 16 sttiches in my head from two bottlings and one glassing,,,
now that ladies and gentlemen is something to get angry about,
not this ridiculous pissing contest
Lot of grumpiness today, what's up?
Duke of Con Dao wrote:
Yeah, if your lives are really that empty, somebody should figure out how to pull the fire alarm at the GS building in New York every 15 minutes to keep those guys from creating too much evil.
What's the ignore button?
'...protein called hemagglutinin - the H in flu names - was the key.'
'The 1918 flu was a H1N1 flu and very different from H5N1...(researchers) also said there was no danger to the public from their experiments.'
key word - 'experiments'
article link cited above (ABCNewsOnline)
From The Daily WTF: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Currency-Conversion.aspx#Pic1
Which is worse - bankers or terrorists wrote:
These are things I can say because I don't plan on coming back to the United States to work......well, the way things are going.....ever......
And old Europe is piling in their stimulus money to make the numbers look good. This is the same as the US, just pump in billion of Euro and you too can make it appear as if you're out of recession.
~splat
Jas used to still come around every once in awhile to call us "born and bred American dopes," but I haven't seen him lately.
If you enjoyed Jas's "skewed view," and followed him over time, it is simply impossible to confuse him with any other poster. He is/was a true original.
FWIW, I don't "ignore" but I understand why some people might so choose.
Consumer confidence down
Retailers raising forecasts
Can I get a WTF!!
Cinco-X wrote:
Here's no evidence for a dead cat bounce. Yet. The statistical artifact is the way quarters are demarcated while economic activity is more of a continuum. Q2 -0.5% and then Q3 +0.2% is still Q2+Q3 -0.3%. A small positive off a large negative quarter is a statistical artifact.
Models don't measure reality. We are still making a potentially fatal mistake of flying the instruments and not the airplane.
U.S. Treasury Confident Congress Will Increase Debt Ceiling - Bloomberg.com
$12 Trillion going to > $20 Trillion before 2020....who cares as long as the stock market is
JP
Well, from one pussy: Not all of us have a lot of time for this board. The CR posts are indispensible, but rather than skip the comments, the ignore list is an excellent way of eliminating people who consistently bring little to the discussion.
....
you do know how to use your eyeballs don't you... what about all those ads on various websites, do you read each one?
the problem is one you've discounted one day produce that part of a puzzle you've been searching for for some time and
you missed it... " consistently bring little to the discussion... how Arrogant!
and here's a general Swine Flu summary
http://www.intramed.net/UserFiles/archivos/H1N1/natural_history.pdf
followed by one sourcing the inter-species transmission
http://www.eurosurveillance.org/public/public_pdf/Origins_influenza_A%28H1N1%29virus_04062009_Supplementary_material.pdf
I first heard about the link in a radio program where they went back and interviews the people from the town in NC where it happened, they also interviewed someone of the technical people who did the investigation, hadn't seen anything like it and it spread easily to the workers. if not for the workers getting sick and going to hospital it was all going to be covered up
edit: I'm no swine flu expert, just heard the story and it does check out. it also makes sense that it would happen at a factory farm if you've ever seen and smelled one
From the slide deck you linked - this is the takeaway and relates far more to both the practice of factory farming in the developed world and the close mingling of humans, swine and water fowl in many parts of the developing world (as an earlier slide states, they trace H1N1 back to 1930 or so):
That makes me wonder if a factor in the increase in the trade deficit be unrealistically exeuberant retailers stocking up for a GREAT Christmas season ? Quite who's going to buy those goods is another question ? Unless you count the 'please-buy-this-shit' sales in the new year when they're overwhelmed.
~splat
By 2020 the USA will be the biggest banana republic in the world courtesy of the
"Are you saying that antibiotic use has something to do with H1N1?"
That can't be.
.Two words: Extraordinary rendition
And I'm not talking about your karaoke version of "My Way"
I don't like the ignore feature because it is a symptom of a much bigger issue in America today. We don't discriminate anymore, we just marginalize based on a host of factors derived for the most part from held over high school socialization rituals. I come here for the exchange of ideas, not to reinforce my view through social one-upmanship. That being said, I don't read every post, you don't have to either. You can usually just scan the forum and find the beef of ideas being thrown about. If someone repeatedly offends your sensibilities, tune it out...but as I have said before, even a complete jerk can have a eureka moment, and I don't like the closing ranks mentality some advocate in order to shun repeat offenders. Wisdom is never gained through censorship. The ugly needs to be seen in order to appreciate the beautiful and good. This is why I think we have a culture of mediocrity gaining sway in the world today. Far easier to dismiss someone based on perceived and in some cases actual offense than deal with confrontation. Easier still to dismiss based on personality and political view...excuses for not having to deal with people 'not like us'. My two cents, end of rant to myself.
Duke,
'SLUMDOG = JAS' Not my theory.
That's not what I said..just sayin'...Jas was jas and slumdog is slumdog. This isn't homeroom...this is doomroom...
Off to lunch and werk.
Evictions and foreclosures, foreclosures and evictions.
what about all those ads on various websites, do you read each one?
I keep hearing about these ad thingies on websites.
WTF are you talking about?
EHP wrote: "Swine Flu arose because of the overuse of anti-biotics in NC pig farms, while at the same time using too little to make sure the bacteria is dead (to save money)."
Got a reference for this? I suspect it's malarkey -- to begin with, influenza is a virus, not a bacterium.
Careful Rich....he sleeps with Mish hahahahahah! /snark/
sdtfs wrote:
Sorry I'm not giving up my 7 weeks vacation per year any time soon. Off to Ko Pha Ngan, Thailand in 2 weeks!!!! There are Full Moon Parties to be had.
splat (profile) wrote (in reply to...) on Fri, 11/13/2009 - 10:26 am
( from upthread...anybody else put Slumdog on the ignore list? P
splat answered
I never feel the need to use an ignore list.
im almost there with ya splat
ive been here a long time and only ever put two "people" on my ignore list
michael, and lucifer...i was about to put tarzan on but after i emailed the owners they , i guess, "liquidated" his account
i consider ignoring a user for violence and for racism (sexism religiousism etc) other than that i try to be very tolerant
Last I heard...it was established the 'swine flu' didn't come from a piggie farm...is there any new info on this?
No, Slumdog has an asst. , Jas would never ever admitted he needed one.
splat wrote:
REAL Mericans are optimistic. Management is 90% optimism (dilbert). If you are working, there's no recession or depression. So, if you are a REAL Merican, manager, (still) working in Retail it's safe to assume you'll be optimistic about having a GREAT Christmas season. Otherwise, you aren't a team player.
energyecon
as I remember the factory workers were dirt poor on an hourly wage and no healthcare so they kept coming into work while sick, which is how it became an actual human h1n1 outbreak. they might even have brought up the pig farm turning its shit-lakes into aerosolized manure which coated the town in pig shit as being a complicating health factor
hmmm. nattie gas is touching its multiyear low again...
JuvvieD
that's the best line I've heard in some time, betcha
you had that your best hits drawer waiting for Jas to come
around once more, no???
DCRogers wrote:
Anti-biotic use was very likely a contributor, because even though the flu is a virus, normally the bacterial complications resulting from a flu are what kills off the animal and the flu along with it. Provided an excellent breeding ground
the other major factor in the 1998 outbreak that I've brought up in my last few posts is that the factory workers kept coming into work while sick
edit: back to the anti-biotic / virus bit
all I have is anecdotal data, but the way it works with a farm that uses anti-biotics is that for a bunch of years no animal gets sick, and then the whole herd dies from something exceptionally nasty
Vonbek777 (profile) wrote on Fri, 11/13/2009 - 12:57 pm
We don't discriminate anymore, we just marginalize based on a host of factors derived for the most part from held over high school socialization rituals.
+1 Most folk never really get out of high school, largely because a lot of really smart folk figured out it is quite profitable, so they set up conditions to allow us to stay there psychologically.
Basel Too wrote:
I thought I remember seeing natgas at $2.90 or something a while back. Or am I mistaken?
Pearlstein of the Washington Post hits one in the upper deck.
"The Federal Reserve is still going through its "lessons-learned" exercise from the recent financial crisis, but there's one lesson it clearly has not yet absorbed -- the one about ignoring and enabling credit bubbles. "
...
"Judging from how sharply and quickly these prices have risen, it's a pretty good guess that most of the buying has not been done by long-term investors who are suddenly upbeat about the prospects of global economic growth. The better bet is all this is the handiwork of short-term speculation by banks, hedge funds, private-equity funds and other financial center wise-guys moving as a herd, financing their purchases directly or indirectly with some of that yummy zero-percent money provided courtesy of the Fed."
...
There's no way to know how long all this can continue before one of these bubbles finally bursts, the dollar spikes upward and investors all rush to unwind their trades at the same time. But it is a good guess that it will last as long as the Fed and other central banks indicate there is no end in sight for the current cheap-money regime. The longer they wait, the bigger the bubbles, and the bigger the mess to clean up.
All of which is why the recent statements by policymakers were so disappointing -- and so dangerous.
...
Steven Pearlstein - The Fed's airheaded bubble orthodoxy - washingtonpost.com
Anyone heard of viral distress syndrome, and exactly what it is?
Just got back from a conference where the closing panel session was 10th year anniversary with authors ofhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cluetrain_Manifesto
It was a very lively and provocative session
black dog wrote:
Which is the cause of all the grumpiness.
whoops The Cluetrain Manifesto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
noob... my bad. charts got jumbled; on the phone trying to buy a new air conditioner unit...
Why does it matter where a disease originates,...unless you think it's purposeful? And about the only thing you can say about geographical American disease names is that they're sure to be wrong.
I just got back from my Bi-weekly Gun store visit, yes Ammo purchase for the Lemmings, you know so I can go kill some Paper targets over the weekend...poor paper..Anyhow standing room only....Retail should take note....THE CONSUMER IS IN THE GUN SHOPS~
"Nick Gillespie, editor-in-chief of Reason.com and Reason.tv, media with strong Randian roots, said Rand would probably hate her current moment in the spotlight. “As much as she hated people, she saved her true ire for those who were actually fans of hers,” he said."
Yes, we desperately need a mentor who hates us, don't we?
“What you’re seeing is a president and a Congress that very much favor collective over individual and believe we should all operate as units of a larger homogenous group,”"
Want your garbage collected and hauled to the dump? You're on your own, pal.
"The European Union’s statistics agency, Eurostat, reported Friday that gross domestic product for the 16 countries using the single currency expanded by 0.4 percent from the second quarter,"
And our ebubblenomic statisamatishuns assure us this is NOT a rounding error.
speaking of swine flu we now have 394 cases here in Cambodia
a 25% jump in one week!
hopefully, this is an anomaly
Anyone else think that if noob gets a make-over and a new suit, he'll be happy to get his photo taken? Maybe just a hint of blush and discreet eyeliner?
This is why I gave up Tap water....call me paranoid, but everyone is sick around me, and I am just fine.
Basel Too wrote:
And this after the 3rd coldest US October on record. I've been warning this won't end well.
Funny thing is I expect the real trouble to be when nat gas residential heating bills come in this winter at record numbers despite the spot price. No amount of explaining forward contracts and fixed costs and credit squeezes are going to matter. What will matter is paying "the gas company" twice as much for 2/3rds the consumption at unheard of spreads.
sdtfs...as far back as the Greeks....biological warfare was used and disguised as 'plague'. I watch all outbreaks closely. It is amazing the odds of a nasty bug turning up in a political unstable area with powerful neighbors.
http://www.cdc.gov/eid/content/13/12/pdfs/1871.pdf
that CDC paper (Dec 2007) is one of the responses to that outbreak 10 years ago, and made possible because of Avian Flu giving work like it priority
basically says that factory farm workers can't be left to the free-market system of healthcare because the dangers are too high, that not only are they more likely to get sick but their infections are more likely to be fatal, which if it gets out of the small town would cause very bad pandemics
sdtfs wrote:
It's not the photo, it's the fact that I prefer to control what people know about me the first time I meet them. Its advantageous. Otherwise I have to spend the first 15 minutes untangling all of the preconceived misconceptions people have developed from a one paragraph bio if they happened to want to 'research' our meeting beforehand.
And since a large part of my job is to meet people, I'd prefer to not give myself more work. And I also like the privacy...the fact that the people need to know who I am, do, and those that don't, don't.
shill
you're like that old man or the baby in the Andromeda Strain ... maybe we need to
bring you into the lab and ...
pavel.chichikov wrote:
This is a fascinating comment Pavel. What this means is that Ayn was probably semi-autistic and/or introverted, as are most of the Libertarians I've ever known - mostly "engineer/technology" types. So, her view of reality was complete distorted as compared to "normal" people (non semi-autistic or better, & non-introverted or better). This would also make her and other Libertarians (in general) distrusting/paranoid of outsiders and having an outwardly "mean" behavior toward outsiders. A political type #3.
OT- This song has been playing in my head the last few days, I wonder why?
YouTube - Stevie Wonder - He's Misstra Know-it-all
sdtfs
I only think it is important that if it is to be a free market system, there be warranted responsibility tied to actions.
If you cause a pandemic because you're too cheap to lose the occasional sow to disease (or too cheap to increase separation to avoid losing the sow to a disease), and too cheap to provide sick days or health insurance to your workers -- then you can pay up later because there is no sense in having everyone else pay for your mistakes. It would be the wrong incentive to give as the result is undesirable, see tragedy of the commons
I make my bed and I sleep like a baby because I conduct myself with the expectation that I'm going to lie in that bed at the end of the day.
I don't appreciate a factory pig farm shitting and pissing in my bed, then acting like nothing happened.
bingo Noob...controlling impressions is a major deal with me too. I was not graced with the appearance or extroverted abilities to be taken seriously in public. Most people take me as a dumb country hoss on first take, and second take...etc... It is amazing how people treat each other based solely on preconceived perceptions and how hard it is to break that initial perception relationship. This goes back to socialization from kindergarten... big kids can't be smart...fat kids are lazy....small kids with glasses are nerds...you break that mold, and you fight it all your life.
Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?
And as human beings, you and I need fresh, pure water to replenish our precious bodily fluids.
~splat
This is a fascinating comment Pavel. What this means is that Ayn was probably semi-autistic and/or introverted, as are most of the Libertarians I've ever known - mostly "engineer/technology" types. So, her view of reality was complete distorted as compared to "normal" people (non semi-autistic or better, & non-introverted or better). This would also make her and other Libertarians (in general) distrusting/paranoid of outsiders and having an outwardly "mean" behavior toward outsiders. A political type #3.
Sociopaths in other words?
Yes I am from another planet......thank God I am just here for a visit....your kind is whacked
Rob Dawg wrote:
Easily covered by emergency gov't subsidies.
Oh god.. having been around farmed pigs I'm trying not to think of the smell.
~splat
Spring water......it does the body good......oh and
broward wrote:
Where's Venezula's "Melon Head" with his home heating oil assistance to the impoverished New England States?
But what if the problem is third world conditions with close proximity of swine, birds, and humans, allowing recombinations to find a new host easily?
ac wrote:
In the extreme case, perhaps. But, Libertarians can be very much like guilt-ridden Liberals to those already considered members of "the tribe". To a Libertarian, it's completely based on who's granted (already granted) "tribal status".
OT
Airforce One: Better collateral for the Chinese than the pieces of paper iou's, imo! HU needs a new AirPlane baby?
Rob Dawg wrote:
Taking his 3 minute shower?
sdtfs
ban all travel when the time comes, as does happen now, and let them decide the equilibrium between profits gained today versus profits lost later
I see no reason why you should not label that flu after the originating/incubating country.
it's also disingenuous to call North Carolina, home of BofA, a 3rd world country
EvilHenryPaulson wrote:
Given the use of the internet to spread much medical misinformation, it's important to be present ideas with careful labels like: "theory", "fact", "correlation", "causes", "proven", etc. For example, co-occurrence is not causation ("woman gets flu shot, now can only walk backwards"). Even a proven correlation can be surprisingly resistant to transformation into causation. Here, we simply have good theories, in my opinion -- not a bad start for further data collection, but just a start.
Sounds more like a problem with monoculture genetics -- once something gets in that can hit one animal, it can hit them all, because there's no diversity. (As a side note, cows are fed antibiotics not for disease resistance, but because it allows them to put on more weight faster with less feed -- even a 5% kick adds up to pure profit.)
To get back to the original topic of antibiotic hand-wipes, the best explanation for why they aren't useful is: by removing everything, they're creating a nice empty Petri dish ready for the next random bacterium to arrive to colonize. Rather, your goal should be to create a stable colony of friendly bacteria, who will defend their turf (your skin) from any interlopers -- soap and scrubbing should rinse away any virus particles without depopulating the good ones.
P.O.E......O.P.E....E.O.P.....
NotAReal, I never thought of libertarians as being semi-autistic and/or introverted. That's pretty funny. If that's the case, in today's world the libertarian party should be growing.
What are your views on personality types of the other 2 parties? Just curious.
DCRogers
good post
I shouldn't have used anti-biotics as a lead in to factory farming, but today was just one of those days I went off on a tangent
lysol wipes really aren't connected to factory farms
Rob Dawg wrote:
You too? I didn't know San Diego Gas and Electric had its tentacles as far north as you...
(For the uninitiated, San Diego was ground-zero for the California "energy deregulation" rip-off scheme. Energy companies purchased on the spot market; manipulators drove up the prices to insane multiples, often by shipping the same energy back-and-forth across state lines. Finally given permission to buy long-term contracts, companies like SDG&E signed 10-year 'deals' at a small discount to peak prices from sister companies. Once signed, spot prices collapsed back to normal, leaving us customers with bills 10x what they were before this all began.)
EHP - you're giving me a complex. First I learn we polluted the world with our financial products. Now you're telling me we're polluting them with our poor pig farming policies. Add sticking our noses in other countries' affairs, and I guess that's why people don't smile at us when we tour abroad
but fwiw the FDA in 2005 (?) reported that the household anti-bacterial products do not do a better job at disinfecting than regular soap
DCRogers, I love your dog tile.
Outsider wrote:
See Political Types (PT's) in the glossary.
PT's | Hoocoodanode?
dumbasses | Hoocoodanode?
EvilHenryPaulson wrote:
Would you prefer 3rd world Island.
EHP - while it might be true that the anti-bact products don't do a better job, when you consider someone will take 5 seconds to squirt the Germ-ex on their palms but not bother to spend 2 min. rinsing soap under running water, it probably works out more germs are killed by the germ-ex products.
Life on Severance: Comfort, then crisis
Are these people nuts? Have we forgotten how to handle hard times?
NotAReal- pretty funny. I see you're still having issues with sticky caps.
It's called denial...and most people haven't had to handle real 'hard times'....just faint stories whispering from the past. You meet someone who has lived through hard times, and the behavior gap between the two is quite large.
Outsider wrote:
Shucks, thanks! (Wish I was as good looking...)
Sorry, I think it's impetuous to think that antibiotics have efficacy against viruses and that a new virus springs from a monoculture environment. Far more likely a virus carrying human spread it to a farmed animal. I view it as analogous to the problems with any monoculture scheme
I'll concede a remote possibility, but looking back through history, attribution has always been flawed.
BTW- there are severe protozoan problems and bacterial problems downstream that are without a doubt a product of the farming practices.
Outsider wrote:
Easier than trying ITALICS or BOLD for EMPHASIS.
Outsider
I don't blame you or anyone here for the swine flu. I know as well as anyone how disconnected democracy has become from the citizenry. If possible I would have the flu renamed after a specific company responsible (it wasn't the government transporting diseased pigs across borders)
sdtfs
that's where the strain originates, anti-biotics are another issue
Dead Shtick wrote:
He's an expert at a lot of things, according to his resume!
• Executive Leadership
• General Management
• Capital Management
• Vision, Strategy & Execution
• Development & Leadership
• Banking & Financial Services
• Turnaround & Change
• Consumer, Commercial & Mortgage Lending
• Credit & Risk Management
• Business & Financial Planning
• Legal & Regulatory Compliance
• Finance & Operations Management
• Portfolio & Asset Management
• Financial Modeling
• Internal & External Stakeholder Relations
• Critical Project Management
Is there anything this man can't do?
Oh yeah, get a job.
If it makes any difference NotAReal, I understand your emphases w/o the typeface changes.
But if it makes you happy, by all means, continue.
Outsider wrote:
I find antibacterial wipes on my keyboard solves that problem likety-split.
EvilHenryPaulson wrote:
No, that might be where the strain is first identified. Excepting cases of disease with practically 100 percent mortality (like Ebola) and clear markers (like TB), where something originates is never certain, people's memories of what transpired being so iffy.
And yet with all the known benefits of handwashing, our hospitals have turned to using liquid Germ-ex products. Hmmm.