I wonder what happens when you bring back a quarter of a million g.i.'s from a couple of wars, in which they nabbed 2nd place, into an home-front economy with precious few jobs available?
The unpopular housing tax credit was widely panned, and yet it passes anyway. Congress is out to ruin us all. Luckily there is a great deal of ruin in a nation (quoting Adam Smith)
mp, I don't know if you're still in this thread or not, but could you shine some light on how you went about your personal risk assessment?
Specific risks (personal, environmental), timeframes (days, weeks, months), and especially goals (avoidance or leveraging the situation), etc.
I think all of us feel we have some personal risks mitigated in one way or another, but it sounds like you could head off the grid for an extensive or indefinite period. I know I have some ideas on what my response might be in the event of one or another shocks, but they are little more than nascent concepts. It sounds like yours have had more action.
I think many people would appreciate some sort of treatise on the efforts you've undertaken to get where you are. I know I would.
What difference does it make which state you live in,
Well, for one thing, there's a considerable difference in payout.
WA is double what ID is.
Since I'm equally split between them, I've been tempted to change my residence.
I wonder what happens when you bring back a quarter of a million g.i.'s from a couple of wars, in which they nabbed 2nd place, into an home-front economy with precious few jobs available?
Haven't we watched this movie before? Like in the 70's?
Haven't we watched this movie before? Like in the 70's?
Seventies were inflationary, largely because of the entry of boomers into the workforce.
It's easier to bake more pie than to recognize that the existing pie needs to be re-distributed.
(eating a blackberry & rasberry pie at the Skylark, an odd hold-in-the-wall RocknRoll bar in West Seattle that has surprisingly good food)
Seventies were inflationary, largely because of the entry of boomers into the workforce.
It's easier to bake more pie than to recognize that the existing pie needs to be re-distributed.
Fair enough; I was more thinking of the 2nd-place soldiers returning to less-than-stellar economic conditions.
Like I said, it's easier to bake a new pie for the returning soldiers than figure out that everybody needs to take a hit on their existing pie slice that they "earned".
I bet our returning soldiers would make ripe recruiting targets for various foreign cartels.
They always need new 'talent' that is skilled in the art of urban warfare.
But Noob the soldiers werent 2nd place. The military WON! In the victory though the politicians let it slip away like it didnt matter, and the press and their crowd reveled in the humiliating 'defeat' of the miltary. The perception is of loss, and defeat, and dishonor....and perception rules and trumps all most times.
The unpopular housing tax credit was widely panned, and yet it passes anyway. Congress is out to ruin us all. Luckily there is a great deal of ruin in a nation (quoting Adam Smith) (last part added by CR - doesn't make sense without the last sentence)
The economic policies being put in place are horrible. But don't let it get you down. Fortunately, there is a lot, lot more to life than what Congress does.
noob youngin question: why is pork allowed in bills? shouldnt there be something along the lines of 'all bills passed must only contain directly relavant laws and statutes'? I'm sure this has been hashed out for decades.. and shot down for just as long.
Find even one macroeconomics study and/or model that hypothesizes that massive unsustainable govt. (and consumer) debt & borrowing, massive unemployment, rapid 'expected' devaluation of the national currency, crises contagion, etc. has good (productive) outcomes for national economies (and the global economy)?
spending and gdp lag credit creation, at least for the past several decades
at lower debt:income, inventory cycles dominate
inventory, consumer, and stock market sentiments mean squat if credit isn't used as a speculative outlet for those expectations
Well, the credit will be applied to one more (planned) home purchase that was going to happen anyways 1Q2010...thanks all y'all and pass that along to your offspring as well [sighs]...now if the Fed keeps the mortgage markets propped for another few months...
the guiding principle of law is to decide whatever creates the most amount of legal work
the guiding principle of politics is to decide whatever creates the most amount of goodwill from powerful people
the outcomes are rational if you set up the problem correctly
and so it goes
Dow 10,000 and more
but at the core
it's all 4 day old fish
He looked at me, nodded his head "Okay. I will swap news for news. We trade what we know. I'll guide you across the bridge. That won't be free. We got some stuff for barter. I'll have Bettina put it out. You say you got more people?" I nodded. "Might as well have them come on down shortly and move into them woods there soon. Best bet is I take you, and whoever else up on the bridge myself and we work out how we are going to do it. Then we do it as soon as the sun comes up tomorrow. What do you think?"
bleh
not 90% employment. the way you said it implies a general ratio like employed:population. 9.8% is for a specific subset for the labor force. employment:population is down to 58.8%, which is a bad thing because of all the people who have insufficient retirement savings (whether they know it or not) and the relative ongoing boom in size of the labor force
HOUSTON (Reuters) - At least seven people were killed and 12 wounded in a shooting at Fort Hood, Texas, on Thursday, MSNBC reported.
It said one gunman was in custody and another was on the loose. It added the two suspects were in military uniform.
Given it is multiple shooters, likely a terrorist link.
I wonder what happens when you bring back a quarter of a million g.i.'s from a couple of wars, in which they nabbed 2nd place, into an home-front economy with precious few jobs available?
the guiding principle of politics is to decide whatever creates the most amount of goodwill from powerful people
the outcomes are rational if you set up the problem correctly
EHP is correct.
An extension of this is that voters generally do not like government spending that does not benefit themselves. Even if the value of the 'pork' is completely overshadowed by the amount 'given away' to other regions, it sugarcoats the medicine. Or poison.
The "change" will come after the wreck tho (assuming we're in a wreck, and Ben isn't really the heroic train engineer bringing the passenger train to a halt, inches away from the land-slide. Winning the Nobel Price for Economics in 2011).
just looked at CR for today. Holy moly, it's just raining ponies out there. Deeds for leases, cash 4 new deeds, and UE extension which is cash for no deeds.
rosethorn (homepage, profile) wrote on Thu, 11/5/2009 - 5:05 pm replyIgnore userMy representative will be receiving a strongly worded email regarding this abomination. Narf!
Doesn't this mean that next week's initial unemployment numbers will shoot up by hundreds of
thousands? I think I read 7k have been losing benefits for the past month(s)...
The public needs to ... know, this is the last extension for this year," said Johnny Isakson, R-Ga.
HA! too funny. Can you imagine how this guy's brain works. In his reality, this was probably a profound "great truth". A less-than-sharpest-tool-in-the-shed amoral scumbag. I worship the ground he walks on.
Good point, I was wondering the same thing... Will this cause the unemployed who've disappeared from the statistics to reappear and rain down a little reality on the green-shoots sunshine?
noob goldberg (profile) wrote (in reply to...) on Thu, 11/5/2009 - 4:16 pm
I spent the weekend away from the computer, playing with kids, doing yardwork, and watching movies with my wife. It was wonderful.
The fantasy world is awfully enticing.
It's possible for everyone to live in that fantasy world. That's the good news. It has been possible for a long time, and instead, inequity of wealth is getting worse and accelerating and we have no uncorrupted balancing force to tip things back to stability or a decent average standard of living. That's the bad news.
Of course nova your hair will grow back. NOT on your head of course, but it will grow back...ears will be sproutin' , nose will look like a porcupine crawled up a nostril, eyebrows will look like squirrel tails and dear glod dont even ask about your back....but your hair will grow back after the change
you guys are such debbie downers.. i have my balloons and dow 10k hat on... i feel so good so optimistic about america... and you dash my little dreams to bits....
Extended benefits are a federal program and are reported separately from the headline state-benefit numbers; people who are returning for another round of extended benefits won't appear in either the initial claims or continuing claims totals.
40 years since americans got off their fat asses and did anything think about it
But, there's was nothing to complain about two years ago. And, really, for the average working Merican, what's really all that wrong now? The government's working on the problem. The smartest people in the country are working to make things better. Soon, we'll all be borrowing again, and life will be grand.
Gold: Out of gold yesterday. This trading action is a big lure. I like sure things. I know of nobody who can say what's next in the short term in gold at this point. So, I'll wait for a higher probability re-entry point. Tomorrow always arrives. I would like it to arrive with my economic fisc in the same shape.
Nullpointer I wonder about that. SWEEPING GENERALIZATION ALERT!!
I see footage of the last great protests/uprisings and it was the Boomers in the Vietnam/college era. They come across as spoiled tantrum throwing children who are so entitled they take it to the next level and smear sh%^ all over anything that might have been good in their upbringing. Why would anyone want to emulate them?
As a child of Boomers I would like to say that individually most are lovely people, gracious to strangers, kind to small children and animals and good gardeners, but as a generational cohort they suck. I wonder how much of peoples attention and emotional care towards problems like we are facing now has been sucked out of them by a combination of demographics, being dumbed down, and cluelessness in media and govt?
The revolution willnot be televised, because it aint gonna be happening. Apathy, fear, wishful thinking and misallocation of attention will not let it be possible to happen, until it is too late and then it wont be a revolution but a reactionary mob rioting.
Voting for Obama is probably all the revolution we are getting.
The only people who will be passionate to consider revolution are the ones that BELIEVE! Think about that. A bunch of teabagger dangling, white, fat assed, gun toting, fear ridden, self justifying, bible banging bunch of morons who think they have have the answer.
The revolution willnot be televised, because it aint gonna be happening. Apathy, fear, wishful thinking and misallocation of attention will not let it be possible to happen, until it is too late and then it wont be a revolution but a reactionary mob rioting.
That's what we have interment camps, militarized police, homegrown terrorism and the Patriot Acts for. And why the elites will have Blackwater/Xe security forces and private island safe havens.
Voting for Obama is probably all the revolution we are getting.
That wasn't seen as a revolution tho. It was just peasants thinking that voting for another Party still matters. Change happens when myths are destroyed.
The Boomer smearing "poop".
They needed to do that. If they didn't I'd be dead now. They could see that the world's greatest generation (their parent) were so stupid that they'd kill their kids in a useless war (not to mention how they treated THOSE PEOPLE) instead of questioning TPTB (authority). If any generation saw its myths destroyed, it was the Boomers. Of course, being humans they're as full of BS, duplicity and self-delusion as their parents.
The people who are in their 20's now, hopefully will spread some poop on the boomers.
[insert random prediction after the fact] will happen
[insert random prediction after the fact] will happen
[insert random prediction after the fact] will happen
my trading account will lose value
Dude, prior service. Didnt need a draft, I volunteered. Considering re-enlisting. If their histrionic drug addled tantrum was about a draft, too bad they didnt go.
And I did say at the beginning sweeping generalization alert. And your point is true, not all were as depicted in the media but what boomers that have talked to me about what they love and remember about those golden years is all that crap about tune in drop out free love fight the man bullshit. Self centered narcisstic tantrum throwing fools.
from my formal training in risk management (about as useful as the toilet paper with which i paid for it), we were taught to include the PROBABILITY of event occurrence in our risk assessment. how are you deriving your probability of systemic collapse and what is that number, now?
Is there any provision in the bill requiring an accounting to Congress of the number of people taking extended benefits, and the total expended?
Or did they just approve a dollar amount, with no accounting of how many people need or accept the extensions?
teabagger dangling, white, fat assed, gun toting, fear ridden, self justifying, bible banging bunch of morons
Ah, so the blame will fall on 'THOSE PEOPLE'.
Sadly enough our church is probably somewhat representative of the former (white middle class Texans), though most of them believe they are good in their hearts, and some probably are. The church email list was a hotbed of 'Obama removes US flag from charter jet' type emails. These folks watch Fox and believe it to be 'fair and balanced'.
I'm really trying not be snarky about solid middle-class, Southern values. But wherever you go, there you are.
Funny because being the kid of a Boomer the things they remember are mostly Kent State, teen pregnancy, Russian Grandstanding in Cuba, and the terribly bleak 1970s. Self centered? Sure, I can see that in how they live, but I have rarely heard navel gazing in 1969 to be the fondest memory. (Usually it's having their kids in the late 70s and early 80s.)
And a lot of 20 year olds are furious with Baby Boomers, myself included for the whole "disownership" of responsibility in shaping our world today.
That's what we have interment camps, militarized police, homegrown terrorism and the Patriot Acts for. And why the elites will have Blackwater/Xe security forces and private island safe havens.
this has been my vision since i was a child. no lie. my approach was to join the elite. then i ran into my own sense of morality, what i was and was not willing to do... and love of family. and decided to hope that this end game wouldn't play out for a few more centuries. /sigh
I think it would be appropriate to take a moment to pray for those that died and their families. One shooter is confirmed to be an officer. This is awful.
What a day....Fort Hood was home to me for awhile, still know quite a few people down there, mostly military. This is going to be as hard on the community...probably not as rough at the Luby's massacre in 91...but still hard. Man I hope the shooters aren't soldiers....
edit...well there goes that hope...sad, sad day for the military.
12 Dead
31 Wounded
I think it would be appropriate to take a moment to pray for those that died and their families. One shooter is confirmed to be an officer. This is awful.
What is the chief end of man?
A. To get rich.
In what way?
A. Dishonestly if we can; honestly if we must.
Who is God, the one only and true?
A. Money is God. God and greenbacks and stock - father, son, and the ghost of same - three persons in one; these are the true and only God, mighty and supreme; and William Tweed is his prophet.
- Mark Twain, The Revised Catechism
You also have to ask yourself, "What are the odds that AT LEAST ONE of multiple low-probability scenarios happens?"
This step gets left out alot, and people assume that a low probablity of any number of individual events is equal to essentially no probablility of any bad event. Which is clearly not correct. See, eg, LTCM.
Boomer generation is not a monolith. I acknowledged that in my original post about the subject. Many of the boomers I have heard talk go on and on about the fight, and passion, and getting rid of hang-ups and the drugs and the sex and oh how music just never has been as great as those years i screwed around blah blah blah while divorcing their spouse at the drop of a hat, abandoning their children, finding theirselves and inner peace while their ex wife pulls extra shifts to feed the kids and then ignores them till it is time to drop them off at the sitter....nevermind. I dont buy that antiwar protest fight the man bullshit excuses they gave and give. children smashing things that tried to limit what they wanted, when they wanted and they get to puff themselves up and call their selfish shit brave and noble.
rsj
continental knitting? hmm thank you ill certainly check into that,i like to knit but dont like comments like why are you knitting things for a snake. things like that. thanks again.
Fort Hood is an open base Home Gnome...base is huge...people come in from all over to use the commissary and px....they check ids sometimes during heightened situations...but most time it is open...at least when we were there...
And a lot of 20 year olds are furious with Baby Boomers, myself included for the whole "disownership" of responsibility in shaping our world today.
Well, I can guarantee you THIS. We're not going to change anything. Change comes from young people. It's not that you generation will be better, but you'll get to create your own myths (myths = stories = BS = self-delusion + duplicity)
Please explain why they need to "lock down" a military base.
Same reason that have lock downs at prisons. Freeze everyone where they are so that they can get an accurate appraisal of the situation, and hopefully avoid shooting any innocent bystanders.
at least bushwacker would have already made it clear that the perps would be brought to swift justice. still waiting on o to say he'll go after the bastards.
rsj - 57,000 US soldiers killed, and who knows how many maimed for life. It was serious business then. Very many people were affected personally. It had to be stopped.
Already left home by that time....and my dad liked to keep low profile in order to get a feel for how things were for the common soldier. MP commanders hated my father. Dad was very much a spirit of the law type and he had no sympathy for righteous zealots who applied the law with no thought to the consequences of their actions.
I want our mythos to be that we sent the profligate Boomers out on the ice floes.
That would help social security too. Your generation might then actually get something out it. Well, good luck, (imo) all humans are scum and the boomer were just the largest generation of humans. Wasn't their fault. Just a lot of them.
Nov. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Fannie Mae, operating under a federal conservatorship, said it will seek $15 billion in aid from the U.S. Treasury as its ninth straight quarterly loss once again drove the mortgage-finance company’s net worth below zero.
This very clearly demonstrates one of the reasons why government management of the economy makes it worse rather than better -- their incentives aren't aligned with good economic decisions.
WASHINGTON – Senate Democrats have blocked a GOP attempt to require next year's census forms to ask people whether they are a U.S. citizen.
The proposal by Louisiana Republican Sen. David Vitter was aimed at excluding immigrants from the population totals that are used to figure the number of congressional representatives for each state. Critics said Vitter's plan would discourage immigrants from responding to the census and would be hugely expensive. They also said that it's long been settled law that the apportionment of congressional seats is determined by the number of people living in each state, regardless of whether they are citizens. A separate survey already collects the data.
rsj, I am Gen X so I don't really care, but the Boomers inherited a rigid world with ossified pre-WWII ideology and obeisance to elite authority figures. There was no script for the revolution, man, and people had to make it up as they went along. Civil rights and a shattering of an out-moded and restrictive "moral code" that kept people enslaved to the Man and stuck in their inherited roles HAD TO HAPPEN.
If you want to be upset about something, drop your focus on the sixties, which went pretty well for the Boomers. Ask'em what the hell happened in the 80s and 90s, man, if you want to get down to real analysis and learning. And see, then it gets interesting, because we were all there for the 80s and 90s, weren't we? So we all participated, didn't we?
Except for the teenagers lurking here obviously, that thought they were logging into Calculated Risque'.
well. war is a terrible waste. it's the lowest and most debase of human exploits. it's ruinous to the soul. we are all worse off for its existence and its practice. there are, however, winners and losers.
What about the unemployed who aren't covered by UI? Who's looking out for them? There are myriads of them in this self-employment, service economy. They are being left to wither on the vine, while everyone else is getting 2 yrs. UE benefits. It's inequitable, especially since public tax dollars are supporting this.
Discriminatory.
On the other hand, those getting UI probably aren't going to find it worth it to take certain lower paying jobs which will not amount to much more than their UI, therefore those jobs will be taken by the unemployed who are not eligible for UI.
But still.
This is becoming a pet peeve of mine - the welfare for part of the population, the other part of the population is Out. Of. Luck.
Patches and stop gaps are not equally distributed or evenly spread.
There aren't any winners in a war; regardless of what you're told.
I just watched G.I. Joe, and I scoff at your assertion.
In all seriousness, I force myself to watch some fairly graphic and historically accurate war representations and attempt to put myself mentally in that situation. I don't do it because I think I can ever replicate those emotions, for I know that is impossible, but because I want to ensure that my primary response when the idea of war is approached is initially one of revulsion and sadness.
A war and the resulting loss of human life may be necessary, but it's never justifiable, as far as I'm concerned.
This idea was not solidified in my head until I forced myself to spend time on highway overpasses, paying my respects to caskets as they passed underneath. I realize it was a meaningless gesture, but it held great meaning personally.
70k "unarmed" soldiers. They don't sleep with their weapons; weapons are kept in an armory until they're needed. As such, under normal circumstances, the soldiers at a typical US Military base are actually less well armed than the population in general.
Slumdog (or anyone else): I am thinking of buying a significant additional amount of gold. When's the best strategy/time to buy? (for example all immediately or spread it out into a dozen monthly purchases....)
This idea was not solidified in my head until I forced myself to spend time on highway overpasses, paying my respects to caskets as they passed underneath. I realize it was a meaningless gesture, but it held great meaning personally.
mmm... not meaningless. good for you striving to be empathetic. +1
"their incentives aren't aligned with good economic decisions."
Like GM and the banks?
If they were allowed to go out of business they would not be around to make poor decisions.
Alas, the government won't allow this to happen. In fact they deliberately create a system of bailouts and guarantees that encourages the making of bad decisions.
The hedge fund industry would have gone away long ago if it weren't for the loving support of the Federal Reserve and our taxpayer dollars.
HomeGnome....military operates on orders...weapons are locked up. For better are worse, sop is followed in a situation like this. Remember most soldiers are kids right out of high school...
When a friend was ambushed and murdered with a gun in late 1980, he didn't really know me, but oh how he could make the music dance, and with his passing ended the possibility of the Beatles ever getting back together...
all humans are scum and the boomer were just the largest generation of humans.
Very true, as most boomers were and are as clueless as the proceeding and following generations.
It's just we happened to come of age during the time the US and the world had the greatest wealth and freedom of expression, available free time, and tolerance. The wages in the us peaked in 1973, and anyone born after that has grown up inside a casino.
The screaming will start when they finally go outside into the real world (sorry Plato, but you Cave Analogy was the best thing you ever wrote).
I have compassion for you younger generations, as the world is going to change in a way that you have never thought.
At this point, survival is not necessary in my world.
The only wars I would have been willing to sacrifice my son's life in (nobody would want
mine, but I include me here too) are WW II and the Revolutionary War.
When I ask myself what I would be willing to accept in my own life, that's it.
Since I couldn't accept that for me or my son, I don't see that I could accept it
for anybody else's child either. And he was in the army and honorably discharged,
and he's a vet, and was sent overseas briefly. And the treatment he's got from the
VA is 'way 'way better than nothing. And it's free.
Under lock down...all the gates are shut down, no one gets in or out. Soldiers are confined to barracks, families to quarters. Then the mps and any other units brought in, go searching.
edit....but again Fort Hood is huge....google it....reservation is very large.
The shooting took place 1:30 p.m Thursday at the post's Soldier Readiness Center where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening.
"We have a terrible, tragic situation here," said Cone. "Soldiers, family members and the civilians that work here are absolutely devastated."
Perhaps that third deployment was not such a good idea. I get the impression that O' and W, may be pushing some limits.
The only wars I would have been willing to sacrifice my son's life in (nobody would want
mine, but I include me here too) are WW II and the Revolutionary War.
The value placed on that life is probably a little different when you have one son vs 3 and already lost one or two to whooping cough or scarlet fever. Still I find it interesting that you do not include the Civil War in your list.
I'm in the South, below the Mason-Dixon line and gos-o-mighty couldn't go tea-bagging cause it was raining and my flip-flops were slipping and sliding and I was terrifffffed I'd fall and hit on my big fat lazy ass.
Yep, I have carefully considered the Civil War, and nope, I wouldn't be willing
to sacrifice my or my son's life in it. I rather think that the US would have eventually
reconstituted, but Harry Turtledove's alternate history books are much more
informative that me on that.
By the way, my great great grandad was a drummer boy in the Civil War, I have
a certificate on the wall. Also a picture holding my mom, as a baby, and his
hourse Bob's horseshoe. Wonder if that much of my life will be left in a hundred
years. . . .
Also got to remember that we are at war. Large parts of bases are currently deployed. Including mp units. Honestly don't know who is currently deployed from Fort Hood, lost track after dad retired, but I am sure you got units gone....but none of that matters. This is just ugly, all the way around. Bad enough to have to go to war...going to be a long couple of press cycles.
As many have stated before, the guns are kept in the armory and only issued for training. Even then, ammo is controlled. You get your shells when you actually step onto the firing line. Also, there are very few MPs, maybe 1 or 2 companies per base. At any given time, on a base the size of Fort Hood, there are probably only 100-200 armed men.
Most people here have the courtesy not to shoot their mouths off on topics of which they know nothing. But now you know.
No, it make perfect sense. We are dealing with lots of 19 year old kids with very potent weapons living in close quarters. These include lots of automatic weapons. Accidental discharges are a big threat. so, we control the weapons and ammo until they are truly needed. Cuts down on accidents. They only time soldiers are allowed to walk around with condition 1 weapons (magazine inserted, round chambered) is when they are 1) on the firing line or 2) in a combat zone.
No it isn't. Soldiers are under a tremendous amount of stress. You train someone to unleash them on the battle field, and not to be insulting, but you have to leash them when they are at home. That is why so much effort is being made on the reintegration of soldiers after deployment. I mean just a few months ago you had a guy shoot his wife and hang himself because he couldn't handle the stress of figuring out how to pay bills and rent coming back from Iraq. My dad is just now getting back to normal from his deployment. War messes you up. Life becomes simpler during wartime even if it is more dangerous....this is what a lot of people don't get. Sure soldiers want to come home, but 'home' isn't having to deal with all the day to day crap we take for granted...got to put the guns and ammo away until you recover from 'war'....
yes barfly I understand and respect it was serious and needed to be stopped/addressed. I am sounding bitchy on this topic and for the snotty sound? I am sorry. However most boomers that I have met use the whole protest movement/war issues as a self-righteous woobie and I get very tired of the boomer kneejerk wrap it in smug attiude. Most suck. Hedonistic, spoiled, childish, limit sneering crappy people who truly think they are the utmost in commitment passion and enlightenment. pshaw they can suck my boils. That generation is the paulsons, and bernankes and dimons and .....nevermind. I need to go nap for work tonite----ill be back if others want to gnaw on any other protrusion of mine. Later taters
They only time soldiers are allowed to walk around with condition 1 weapons (magazine inserted, round chambered) is when they are 1) on the firing line or 2) in a combat zone.
IIRC, the Soviets trained much more realistically during the cold war, but also had a far greater "training accident" rate. When I was in the service in the late '70s/ early '80s, the number I heard quoted was 50k per year. That a lot of casualties for training. This didn't include the Afghanistan effort.
cinco-x
well my sil isnt a us citizen, he pays taxes, has a green card, he doesnt vote,dont sit on juries, whats the problem.
the gop has lost its mind.
Wrong. They've been bribed with gazillions in student loans. It's the beautiful scam. They think money grows on trees (well - actually it does and that's all it will be worth but whatever). At any rate you're not going to see change from people who:
Expect little from life and get it from the government (welfare recipients).
Live in a fantasy land (college) with endless credit that they don't even give so much as 30 seconds' thought to.
Believe one party is correct and the other is evil. Divide and conquer.
By the way, my great great grandad was a drummer boy in the Civil War, I have
a certificate on the wall. Also a picture holding my mom, as a baby, and his
hourse Bob's horseshoe. Wonder if that much of my life will be left in a hundred
years. . . .
Your name will live on in all of those real estate documents that you drafted.
Yay..... off to buy a house!
just saw that Whole Foods got stomped on today...
HOUSTON (Reuters) - At least seven people were killed and 12 wounded in a shooting at Fort Hood, Texas, on Thursday, MSNBC reported.
It said one gunman was in custody and another was on the loose. It added the two suspects were in military uniform.
Too bad about Adriana's, eh Basel?
The Housing Bust - The Final Chapter
dood, all that over a $4K stove?
were unemployment benefits extended during any prior recessions?
From the linked story...
"The public needs to ... know, this is the last extension," said Johnny Isakson, R-Ga.
Guess which extension he's talking about: unemployment benefits, or the housing tax credit?
Isakson's CV is available at his website, if you need a hint.
"Obama to Sign Extension of Unemployment Benefits"
I bet there is no pork in this bill.
It would seem there is more to that story that's for sure...
Gourmet Shoppe it is then.
he must be talking about UE, damn realtor...
What difference does it make which state you live in, if you've been unemployed this long?
Signing on Friday morning... probably because he's seen the unemployment numbers and they're not looking so good?
I wonder what happens when you bring back a quarter of a million g.i.'s from a couple of wars, in which they nabbed 2nd place, into an home-front economy with precious few jobs available?
The unpopular housing tax credit was widely panned, and yet it passes anyway. Congress is out to ruin us all. Luckily there is a great deal of ruin in a nation (quoting Adam Smith)
best to all
Next: Unmanned aerial drones attack over Texas....
otishertz talking about massive bartering coming as the dollar is dumped may be something to really look into...
gourmet shoppe is too high-brow to let my kind in...
See, more socialism.
Billions to the banks.
Bucks for everybody else.
CR - Good snark, oh sorry, quote ya good quote
Why work?
mp, I don't know if you're still in this thread or not, but could you shine some light on how you went about your personal risk assessment?
Specific risks (personal, environmental), timeframes (days, weeks, months), and especially goals (avoidance or leveraging the situation), etc.
I think all of us feel we have some personal risks mitigated in one way or another, but it sounds like you could head off the grid for an extensive or indefinite period. I know I have some ideas on what my response might be in the event of one or another shocks, but they are little more than nascent concepts. It sounds like yours have had more action.
I think many people would appreciate some sort of treatise on the efforts you've undertaken to get where you are. I know I would.
rosethorn wrote:
Well, for one thing, there's a considerable difference in payout.
WA is double what ID is.
Since I'm equally split between them, I've been tempted to change my residence.
CalculatedRisk wrote:
If we get the government that we deserve... we must have done something pretty bad to earn it.
Congress might as well just burn the constitution, they pay no attention to it anyways.
Ever been to Cafe' Strudel just across the bridge in W. Columbia?
I'm sure you'd be welcome there.
Juvenal Delinquent wrote:
Haven't we watched this movie before? Like in the 70's?
omg! i love the strudel for lunch. i love how it's across the river from the artificiality of the Vista.
charty goodness: Nominal Spending History.
A better measure than GDP?
noob goldberg wrote:
Seventies were inflationary, largely because of the entry of boomers into the workforce.
It's easier to bake more pie than to recognize that the existing pie needs to be re-distributed.
(eating a blackberry & rasberry pie at the Skylark, an odd hold-in-the-wall RocknRoll bar in West Seattle that has surprisingly good food)
I guess this means the economy will be all better 20 weeks after December 31st. 14 weeks after, for some. Woo hoo!
One of the good things about the Vista is that the Flying Saucer is there.
broward wrote:
Fair enough; I was more thinking of the 2nd-place soldiers returning to less-than-stellar economic conditions.
JimPortlandOR wrote:
Oooooo. Nice link! Interesting as: energyecon: Yep, its that bad
Like I said, it's easier to bake a new pie for the returning soldiers than figure out that everybody needs to take a hit on their existing pie slice that they "earned".
I bet our returning soldiers would make ripe recruiting targets for various foreign cartels.
They always need new 'talent' that is skilled in the art of urban warfare.
My arm is tired from moving the cap around....
But Noob the soldiers werent 2nd place. The military WON! In the victory though the politicians let it slip away like it didnt matter, and the press and their crowd reveled in the humiliating 'defeat' of the miltary. The perception is of loss, and defeat, and dishonor....and perception rules and trumps all most times.
The unpopular housing tax credit was widely panned, and yet it passes anyway. Congress is out to ruin us all. Luckily there is a great deal of ruin in a nation (quoting Adam Smith) (last part added by CR - doesn't make sense without the last sentence)
The economic policies being put in place are horrible. But don't let it get you down. Fortunately, there is a lot, lot more to life than what Congress does.
noob youngin question: why is pork allowed in bills? shouldnt there be something along the lines of 'all bills passed must only contain directly relavant laws and statutes'? I'm sure this has been hashed out for decades.. and shot down for just as long.
Find even one macroeconomics study and/or model that hypothesizes that massive unsustainable govt. (and consumer) debt & borrowing, massive unemployment, rapid 'expected' devaluation of the national currency, crises contagion, etc. has good (productive) outcomes for national economies (and the global economy)?
iceman wrote:
It could be worse. It could be raining.
spending and gdp lag credit creation, at least for the past several decades
at lower debt:income, inventory cycles dominate
inventory, consumer, and stock market sentiments mean squat if credit isn't used as a speculative outlet for those expectations
Why don't we go ahead and make UE benefits permanent?
The Fed can print up whatever money is needed since the UI fund in many states is negative billions.
Makes you want to weep, doesn't it?
Well, the credit will be applied to one more (planned) home purchase that was going to happen anyways 1Q2010...thanks all y'all and pass that along to your offspring as well [sighs]...now if the Fed keeps the mortgage markets propped for another few months...
No flag lapel pin for you, Mr.
How's this? NWS Portland Forecast
the guiding principle of law is to decide whatever creates the most amount of legal work
the guiding principle of politics is to decide whatever creates the most amount of goodwill from powerful people
the outcomes are rational if you set up the problem correctly
Stop Complaining! 90% employment! Dow 10k! Life is good!
Time to throw out the 10K 3.0 hats?
strong opinion from cr
wow, pretty rare that
Jim
at least you don't need to store teralitres of water for your doomstead. just walk outside with a container for 1 or 2 minutes as you need it
I've had all I can stand. I can't stands no more.
I'm pissed beyond words. Corruption, lies, malfeasance, blatant market manipulation, currency debasement, treason.
In times like these we need patriots. People willing to take matters into their own hands.
THE LOOTING MUST STOP! Why work? Why pay taxes? Why vote? Our government is pathetic. I quit. Find someone else to enslave, jackasses.
I already have my rally hat for a revisit of 14k dow!
Gavshire Hathaway wrote:
The squid owns your jackasses too.
and so it goes
Dow 10,000 and more
but at the core
it's all 4 day old fish
He looked at me, nodded his head "Okay. I will swap news for news. We trade what we know. I'll guide you across the bridge. That won't be free. We got some stuff for barter. I'll have Bettina put it out. You say you got more people?" I nodded. "Might as well have them come on down shortly and move into them woods there soon. Best bet is I take you, and whoever else up on the bridge myself and we work out how we are going to do it. Then we do it as soon as the sun comes up tomorrow. What do you think?"
more? American Apocalypse
Not my ASS!
dafox wrote:
Because the first question any question any congressperson asks about a bill is, "What's in it for me?"
EvilHenryPaulson wrote:
That, plus THIS: Bull Run Watershed
Rain, not snowmelt, provides 90-95% of the water in the watershed, averaging 130 inches a year.
Edit: An we don't intend to share with CA (and have guns to enforce it)
dum luk wrote:
You need to stop looking at things like a citizen of a country. Think of it as YOUR opportunity to become free of nationalistic limitations.
bleh
not 90% employment. the way you said it implies a general ratio like employed:population. 9.8% is for a specific subset for the labor force. employment:population is down to 58.8%, which is a bad thing because of all the people who have insufficient retirement savings (whether they know it or not) and the relative ongoing boom in size of the labor force
My representative will be receiving a strongly worded email regarding this abomination. Narf!
HomeGnome wrote:
Given it is multiple shooters, likely a terrorist link.
Wait for critical mass.
The Change will come blindingly fast.
The looting isn't going to stop. The US isn't a turnip. It's still a nice sized, fresh grapefruit.
"Given it is multiple shooters, likely a terrorist link. "
Well, let's give Homeland Security some more money to make us safe then. Stat!
UE pushed back to keep the Oct report below 10% & to give the recipients a little extra Xmas spending bucks for the malls! WIN-WIN!!
Wait for critical mass.
The Change will come blindingly fast.
you are DREAMING
Juvenal Delinquent wrote:
I wonder what happens when you bring back a quarter of a million g.i.'s from a couple of wars, in which they nabbed 2nd place, into an home-front economy with precious few jobs available?
We're about to find out...
Great and sound point.
Terry wrote:
Or, more than one over testosteroned males wiped into a frenzy of group stupidity. (Meaning, the usual).
Gavshire Hathaway wrote:
Regarding mp's risk assessment, I'm somewhat mystified as to why you'd want to survive into that sort of environment.
why is pork allowed in bills?
trade-offs and arm-twisting to get enough votes to get the main bill passed.
You are right, nullpointer.
More likely things will always remain the same and nothing will ever change.
You receive a FAIL.
That's right a big "F".
Good day.
EvilHenryPaulson wrote:
EHP is correct.
An extension of this is that voters generally do not like government spending that does not benefit themselves. Even if the value of the 'pork' is completely overshadowed by the amount 'given away' to other regions, it sugarcoats the medicine. Or poison.
Wait for critical mass.
The Change will come blindingly fast.
There is no change going to come
there will just be a slo mo train wreck
going to make you hum
cause we be to damn dumb
nova wrote:
Personally, I enjoy life and living.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A controversial climate change bill cleared its first hurdle in the U.S. Senate on Thursday, allowing President Barack Obama to tout progress in the run-up to next month's global warming talks in Copenhagen. Democrats on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee ignored a Republican boycott and used their majority to approve the legislation that would require U.S. industry to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases 20 percent by 2020, from 2005 levels.
!!!!
nullpointer wrote:
Lucky bastard.
I was working at a University, happy enough.
A friend told me, "Yes, you're happy because you're working in a fantasy world".
And I thought about it a moment... "sure, but what's your point?"
nova wrote:
The "change" will come after the wreck tho (assuming we're in a wreck, and Ben isn't really the heroic train engineer bringing the passenger train to a halt, inches away from the land-slide. Winning the Nobel Price for Economics in 2011).
just looked at CR for today. Holy moly, it's just raining ponies out there. Deeds for leases, cash 4 new deeds, and UE extension which is cash for no deeds.
No way to catch up, you guys are too busy today.
The Change will alter everything
HomeGnome (homepage, profile) wrote on Thu, 11/5/2009 - 4:14 pm
The Change will alter everything
Indeed! Even the Change itself will change!
JP wrote:
When Ben asked us for ideas, we responded!
Winning the Nobel Price for Economics in 2011
---I just knew you had a sense of humor.
Not bad for a -2.4/ -5.0
broward wrote:
I spent the weekend away from the computer, playing with kids, doing yardwork, and watching movies with my wife. It was wonderful.
The fantasy world is awfully enticing.
mp wrote:
A man's gotta to know his limitations.
Some environments favor certain beliefs & traits and some get weeded out.
Now we're getting somewhere. Change is coming.
rosethorn (homepage, profile) wrote on Thu, 11/5/2009 - 5:05 pm replyIgnore userMy representative will be receiving a strongly worded email regarding this abomination. Narf!
some get weeded out.
---Welcome to California!
rosethorn wrote:
Poit.
You guys seen the Modern Warfare 2 game trailer "Infamy"? Gotta wonder whether it's really a game... or a training video.
Next to the TARP bailout (31 times) this was the most I've ever called my rep and senators in opposition (8 times).
Well, at least my batting avg is still perfect.
Oh, and I'm sure this is what Isakson meant to say. Since, of course, next year will bring about a whole new set of hoocoodanodes.
The public needs to ... know, this is the last extension for this year," said Johnny Isakson, R-Ga.
Hell, I wonder if "They Live" was just a movie...
CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN! YES WE CAN!
America, roll up your sleeves, we are back in the saddle again!
TJ and The Bear wrote:
Like the Last Starfighter?
It's an indoctrination tool; You won't have dedicated servers and you'll like that!
Thank god. I have been waiting and looking forward to it, even hoping for early-onset menopause.....oh, wait, sorry nevermind my misunderstanding
Cinco,
Did you ever get those ducks a proper living area?
When he signs the bill, will gold and long-Treasury-yields rise further?
Or is this whack at the dollar already built in to their market prices?
Doesn't this mean that next week's initial unemployment numbers will shoot up by hundreds of
thousands? I think I read 7k have been losing benefits for the past month(s)...
7k daily that is...
black dog wrote:
HA! too funny. Can you imagine how this guy's brain works. In his reality, this was probably a profound "great truth". A less-than-sharpest-tool-in-the-shed amoral scumbag. I worship the ground he walks on.
Black Swans do not have sphincter muscles.
You've been warned.
If the Change comes will my hair grow back? Because thats all I really care about.
I have millions of gallons of water @ the ready in my doomstead.
Got riparian rights?
HomeGnome wrote:
Yup.
Good point, I was wondering the same thing... Will this cause the unemployed who've disappeared from the statistics to reappear and rain down a little reality on the green-shoots sunshine?
There really is a lot of entertainment (comedic) value on yahoo finance...
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noob goldberg (profile) wrote (in reply to...) on Thu, 11/5/2009 - 4:16 pm
I spent the weekend away from the computer, playing with kids, doing yardwork, and watching movies with my wife. It was wonderful.
The fantasy world is awfully enticing.
It's possible for everyone to live in that fantasy world. That's the good news. It has been possible for a long time, and instead, inequity of wealth is getting worse and accelerating and we have no uncorrupted balancing force to tip things back to stability or a decent average standard of living. That's the bad news.
Of course nova your hair will grow back. NOT on your head of course, but it will grow back...ears will be sproutin' , nose will look like a porcupine crawled up a nostril, eyebrows will look like squirrel tails and dear glod dont even ask about your back....but your hair will grow back after the change
"They Live" was social commentary on a par with George Romero.
you guys are such debbie downers.. i have my balloons and dow 10k hat on... i feel so good so optimistic about america... and you dash my little dreams to bits....
Extended benefits are a federal program and are reported separately from the headline state-benefit numbers; people who are returning for another round of extended benefits won't appear in either the initial claims or continuing claims totals.
homegnome
its been ~40 years since americans got off their fat asses and did anything
think about it...an entire generation +
i try, i do my part, i talk to everyone i know till i am blue in the face
they couldnt care less
they just want to be left alone,. like the dog that gets kicked every night
thats the state of america, and you know it
Was Black Betty a Debbie Downer?
rsj,
Damn! I will be so hot then!
HomeGnome wrote:
Damn you. Now I have ram jam in my head.
A man's gotta to know his limitations. Some environments favor certain beliefs & traits and some get weeded out.
Well, if anyone wants to weed me out, they'd best have an air force.
Having said that, I must go. One of my neighbors--with whom I have what one might call a reciprocal agreement--has a problem.
nullpointer wrote:
But, there's was nothing to complain about two years ago. And, really, for the average working Merican, what's really all that wrong now? The government's working on the problem. The smartest people in the country are working to make things better. Soon, we'll all be borrowing again, and life will be grand.
Having said that, I must go. One of my neighbors--with whom I have what one might call a reciprocal agreement--has a problem.
You need backup? I can be there in a jif!
Whoa, Black Betty!
Fort Hood unit deploys despite losing soldiers - Yahoo! News
More
for extend and pretend
CNN reporting 9 dead and 20 wounded. Senator Hutchinson said she was told 30 wounded. She knows a lot about the base.
DJIA is back at The Big Round Number in the Sky. I'm not in it, but I still think it will go to 12000.
Is that the one where the camera view pans out from close quarter urban combat to reveal that the battle is taking place in The Ellipse?
My prediction was DOW 10K UE 10%
It may be the only one I have gotten right.
Gold: Out of gold yesterday. This trading action is a big lure. I like sure things. I know of nobody who can say what's next in the short term in gold at this point. So, I'll wait for a higher probability re-entry point. Tomorrow always arrives. I would like it to arrive with my economic fisc in the same shape.
Nullpointer I wonder about that. SWEEPING GENERALIZATION ALERT!!
I see footage of the last great protests/uprisings and it was the Boomers in the Vietnam/college era. They come across as spoiled tantrum throwing children who are so entitled they take it to the next level and smear sh%^ all over anything that might have been good in their upbringing. Why would anyone want to emulate them?
As a child of Boomers I would like to say that individually most are lovely people, gracious to strangers, kind to small children and animals and good gardeners, but as a generational cohort they suck. I wonder how much of peoples attention and emotional care towards problems like we are facing now has been sucked out of them by a combination of demographics, being dumbed down, and cluelessness in media and govt?
The revolution willnot be televised, because it aint gonna be happening. Apathy, fear, wishful thinking and misallocation of attention will not let it be possible to happen, until it is too late and then it wont be a revolution but a reactionary mob rioting.
Voting for Obama is probably all the revolution we are getting.
ShortCourage wrote:
I'm pretty sure they only continue to count those on the initial benefits.
Voting for Obama is probably all the revolution we are getting.
The only people who will be passionate to consider revolution are the ones that BELIEVE! Think about that. A bunch of teabagger dangling, white, fat assed, gun toting, fear ridden, self justifying, bible banging bunch of morons who think they have have the answer.
CalculatedRisk wrote:
wow. strong words from the host.
Your trivialization of a generation is more a reflection on you than on Boomers. Someday soon you, too, could be staring down the barrel of the Draft.
And for the most part they'd much rather Go Galt except the status quo has all the nice places.
rsj (profile) wrote on Thu, 11/5/2009 - 4:37 pm
The revolution willnot be televised, because it aint gonna be happening. Apathy, fear, wishful thinking and misallocation of attention will not let it be possible to happen, until it is too late and then it wont be a revolution but a reactionary mob rioting.
That's what we have interment camps, militarized police, homegrown terrorism and the Patriot Acts for. And why the elites will have Blackwater/Xe security forces and private island safe havens.
Gavshire Hathaway wrote:
here, here!!!
Still half of the best 'noia double header of all time = "They Live" + "The Hidden"
Jonathan wrote:
That wasn't seen as a revolution tho. It was just peasants thinking that voting for another Party still matters. Change happens when myths are destroyed.
They needed to do that. If they didn't I'd be dead now. They could see that the world's greatest generation (their parent) were so stupid that they'd kill their kids in a useless war (not to mention how they treated THOSE PEOPLE) instead of questioning TPTB (authority). If any generation saw its myths destroyed, it was the Boomers. Of course, being humans they're as full of BS, duplicity and self-delusion as their parents.
The people who are in their 20's now, hopefully will spread some poop on the boomers.
My predictions have been
[insert random prediction after the fact] will happen
[insert random prediction after the fact] will happen
[insert random prediction after the fact] will happen
my trading account will lose value
I'm batting 100% so far
ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:
precious few jobs and a small group super-rich f**ks on wall street who make money 74/75 days a quarter...
RockyR - They're just THAT SMART in comparison to you and me.
Ya'll better hope Obama can pull it together because the Pallin Peoples Backlash if they get in will be Bush on hater-roids.
Dude, prior service. Didnt need a draft, I volunteered. Considering re-enlisting. If their histrionic drug addled tantrum was about a draft, too bad they didnt go.
And I did say at the beginning sweeping generalization alert. And your point is true, not all were as depicted in the media but what boomers that have talked to me about what they love and remember about those golden years is all that crap about tune in drop out free love fight the man bullshit. Self centered narcisstic tantrum throwing fools.
mp wrote:
can you distill your own single malt?
from my formal training in risk management (about as useful as the toilet paper with which i paid for it), we were taught to include the PROBABILITY of event occurrence in our risk assessment. how are you deriving your probability of systemic collapse and what is that number, now?
The Change is coming.
Are you ready?
mp wrote:
And that my friends, is damn near the single most valuable prepartion one can make...
Is there any provision in the bill requiring an accounting to Congress of the number of people taking extended benefits, and the total expended?
Or did they just approve a dollar amount, with no accounting of how many people need or accept the extensions?
nova wrote:
Ah, so the blame will fall on 'THOSE PEOPLE'.
Sadly enough our church is probably somewhat representative of the former (white middle class Texans), though most of them believe they are good in their hearts, and some probably are. The church email list was a hotbed of 'Obama removes US flag from charter jet' type emails. These folks watch Fox and believe it to be 'fair and balanced'.
I'm really trying not be snarky about solid middle-class, Southern values. But wherever you go, there you are.
RR - simple expected value theorem... (probability of occurrence) * (expected loss from occurrence)
Notoriously hard to use well even though the equation itself makes it seem like child's play
HomeGnome wrote:
rofl!
YouTube - G20 riots in US. No comment.
noob goldberg wrote:
You say that like it's a bad thing
Funny because being the kid of a Boomer the things they remember are mostly Kent State, teen pregnancy, Russian Grandstanding in Cuba, and the terribly bleak 1970s. Self centered? Sure, I can see that in how they live, but I have rarely heard navel gazing in 1969 to be the fondest memory. (Usually it's having their kids in the late 70s and early 80s.)
And a lot of 20 year olds are furious with Baby Boomers, myself included for the whole "disownership" of responsibility in shaping our world today.
NOTaREALmerican wrote:
Inter-generational scat kink?
Gad, man, keep it in your pants.
haha yalt
got to be that he was talking about unemployment.
ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:
this has been my vision since i was a child. no lie. my approach was to join the elite. then i ran into my own sense of morality, what i was and was not willing to do... and love of family. and decided to hope that this end game wouldn't play out for a few more centuries. /sigh
rsj wrote:
I'd rather they throw tantrums than poop, man.
12 Dead
31 Wounded
I think it would be appropriate to take a moment to pray for those that died and their families. One shooter is confirmed to be an officer. This is awful.
ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:
yup
What a day....Fort Hood was home to me for awhile, still know quite a few people down there, mostly military. This is going to be as hard on the community...probably not as rough at the Luby's massacre in 91...but still hard. Man I hope the shooters aren't soldiers....
edit...well there goes that hope...sad, sad day for the military.
Comrade Kristina wrote:
CNN.com Live
Please explain why they need to "lock down" a military base.
Vonbeck, all shooters were soldiers. At least one is an officer.
broward wrote:
No, has to be poop. You've got to totally discredit a generation to be able to break away from the myths it has built up.
ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:
What is the chief end of man?
A. To get rich.
In what way?
A. Dishonestly if we can; honestly if we must.
Who is God, the one only and true?
A. Money is God. God and greenbacks and stock - father, son, and the ghost of same - three persons in one; these are the true and only God, mighty and supreme; and William Tweed is his prophet.
- Mark Twain, The Revised Catechism
You also have to ask yourself, "What are the odds that AT LEAST ONE of multiple low-probability scenarios happens?"
This step gets left out alot, and people assume that a low probablity of any number of individual events is equal to essentially no probablility of any bad event. Which is clearly not correct. See, eg, LTCM.
Boomer generation is not a monolith. I acknowledged that in my original post about the subject. Many of the boomers I have heard talk go on and on about the fight, and passion, and getting rid of hang-ups and the drugs and the sex and oh how music just never has been as great as those years i screwed around blah blah blah while divorcing their spouse at the drop of a hat, abandoning their children, finding theirselves and inner peace while their ex wife pulls extra shifts to feed the kids and then ignores them till it is time to drop them off at the sitter....nevermind. I dont buy that antiwar protest fight the man bullshit excuses they gave and give. children smashing things that tried to limit what they wanted, when they wanted and they get to puff themselves up and call their selfish shit brave and noble.
Well, that's crappy...
rsj
continental knitting? hmm thank you ill certainly check into that,i like to knit but dont like comments like why are you knitting things for a snake. things like that. thanks again.
oh, gawd. o is on tv.
Fort Hood is an open base Home Gnome...base is huge...people come in from all over to use the commissary and px....they check ids sometimes during heightened situations...but most time it is open...at least when we were there...
Seems like you didn't get any free love, my man.
E Thomas St. wrote:
Well, I can guarantee you THIS. We're not going to change anything. Change comes from young people. It's not that you generation will be better, but you'll get to create your own myths (myths = stories = BS = self-delusion + duplicity)
Deus ex machina:
Large Hadron Collider stalled again... thanks to chunk of baguette - Times Online
he's going to address this shooting, but he has to give a "shout-out" to a nobel laureate first and talk about some conference he's attending...
von Beck,
Did you drive Dad's car with all the stars through the gate a few extra times? Just to watch them snap to attention?
HomeGnome wrote:
Same reason that have lock downs at prisons. Freeze everyone where they are so that they can get an accurate appraisal of the situation, and hopefully avoid shooting any innocent bystanders.
I want our mythos to be that we sent the profligate Boomers out on the ice floes.
at least bushwacker would have already made it clear that the perps would be brought to swift justice. still waiting on o to say he'll go after the bastards.
rsj - 57,000 US soldiers killed, and who knows how many maimed for life. It was serious business then. Very many people were affected personally. It had to be stopped.
I only ask because when I came back to the world as an e-nothing. My Dads car had a blue sticker and I went in and out laughing manically
They are all either dead or in custody. I believe one dead, two in custody.
There aren't any winners in a war; regardless of what you're told.
Already left home by that time....and my dad liked to keep low profile in order to get a feel for how things were for the common soldier. MP commanders hated my father. Dad was very much a spirit of the law type and he had no sympathy for righteous zealots who applied the law with no thought to the consequences of their actions.
Darn, I added that last sentence for a reason - and then it gets deleted.
It was kind of like saying NOT! I was quoting an old Adam Smith exchange ... oh well.
best wishes
HomeGnome wrote:
are you a boomer?
Just seems to me that a military base would be the last place needed to be "locked down".
oh, like you have standing to call for decorum...
Not even close, Rocky.
E Thomas St. wrote:
That would help social security too. Your generation might then actually get something out it. Well, good luck, (imo) all humans are scum and the boomer were just the largest generation of humans. Wasn't their fault. Just a lot of them.
8K not enough for these guys, they must be disappointed it wasn't 15K
Freddie, of course, will somehow miraculously report a profit, no doubt.
Fannie Seeks $15 Billion in U.S. Aid After Ninth Straight Loss - Bloomberg.com
Nov. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Fannie Mae, operating under a federal conservatorship, said it will seek $15 billion in aid from the U.S. Treasury as its ninth straight quarterly loss once again drove the mortgage-finance company’s net worth below zero.
CalculatedRisk wrote:
so, you DON'T think Congress is trying to ruin us all? /confused
HomeGnome wrote:
older than 65?
HomeGnome wrote:
THAT might be their only redeeming quality.
I don't think this act will ruin us. Congress is trying to do what they think is best. Unfortunately that isn't always what is actually best.
best wishes
Under 40, Rocky.
You would be surprised HomeGnome...housing areas, shopping areas, schools... kids everywhere...MPs have to lock down just like Cinco said.
CalculatedRisk wrote:
i think you set off a serious wave of doom with that statement
EDIT: the original statement about ruin.
This very clearly demonstrates one of the reasons why government management of the economy makes it worse rather than better -- their incentives aren't aligned with good economic decisions.
SO 70K? troops can't take care of 3 shooters?
Hmmm.
rsj, I am Gen X so I don't really care, but the Boomers inherited a rigid world with ossified pre-WWII ideology and obeisance to elite authority figures. There was no script for the revolution, man, and people had to make it up as they went along. Civil rights and a shattering of an out-moded and restrictive "moral code" that kept people enslaved to the Man and stuck in their inherited roles HAD TO HAPPEN.
If you want to be upset about something, drop your focus on the sixties, which went pretty well for the Boomers. Ask'em what the hell happened in the 80s and 90s, man, if you want to get down to real analysis and learning. And see, then it gets interesting, because we were all there for the 80s and 90s, weren't we? So we all participated, didn't we?
Except for the teenagers lurking here obviously, that thought they were logging into Calculated Risque'.
ac wrote:
Like GM and the banks?
HomeGnome wrote:
well. war is a terrible waste. it's the lowest and most debase of human exploits. it's ruinous to the soul. we are all worse off for its existence and its practice. there are, however, winners and losers.
I don't think this act will ruin us. Congress is trying to do what they think is best. Unfortunately that isn't always what is actually best.
Congress is doing what's best for the next election.
Hi, everybody, what's up?
What about the unemployed who aren't covered by UI? Who's looking out for them? There are myriads of them in this self-employment, service economy. They are being left to wither on the vine, while everyone else is getting 2 yrs. UE benefits. It's inequitable, especially since public tax dollars are supporting this.
Discriminatory.
On the other hand, those getting UI probably aren't going to find it worth it to take certain lower paying jobs which will not amount to much more than their UI, therefore those jobs will be taken by the unemployed who are not eligible for UI.
But still.
This is becoming a pet peeve of mine - the welfare for part of the population, the other part of the population is Out. Of. Luck.
Patches and stop gaps are not equally distributed or evenly spread.
noob
we sure did and were not very nice to them.
lawyerliz wrote:
unemployment. you?
You do understand that troops on bases are not armed except for MPs, right? I take it you haven't lived on base.
HomeGnome wrote:
I just watched G.I. Joe, and I scoff at your assertion.
In all seriousness, I force myself to watch some fairly graphic and historically accurate war representations and attempt to put myself mentally in that situation. I don't do it because I think I can ever replicate those emotions, for I know that is impossible, but because I want to ensure that my primary response when the idea of war is approached is initially one of revulsion and sadness.
A war and the resulting loss of human life may be necessary, but it's never justifiable, as far as I'm concerned.
This idea was not solidified in my head until I forced myself to spend time on highway overpasses, paying my respects to caskets as they passed underneath. I realize it was a meaningless gesture, but it held great meaning personally.
EDIT: gotta go everyone,
Calculated Risque. . . . I like it.
HomeGnome wrote:
70k "unarmed" soldiers. They don't sleep with their weapons; weapons are kept in an armory until they're needed. As such, under normal circumstances, the soldiers at a typical US Military base are actually less well armed than the population in general.
Slumdog (or anyone else): I am thinking of buying a significant additional amount of gold. When's the best strategy/time to buy? (for example all immediately or spread it out into a dozen monthly purchases....)
noob goldberg wrote:
mmm... not meaningless. good for you striving to be empathetic. +1
So how many MP's would a base this size have then?
"their incentives aren't aligned with good economic decisions."
Like GM and the banks?
If they were allowed to go out of business they would not be around to make poor decisions.
Alas, the government won't allow this to happen. In fact they deliberately create a system of bailouts and guarantees that encourages the making of bad decisions.
The hedge fund industry would have gone away long ago if it weren't for the loving support of the Federal Reserve and our taxpayer dollars.
Un-f*cking-believable.
HomeGnome....military operates on orders...weapons are locked up. For better are worse, sop is followed in a situation like this. Remember most soldiers are kids right out of high school...
HomeGnome wrote:
I doubt that the military would want that info let out; it's like doing a terrorist's homework for them.
Define "significant".
Rampage kills 12, wounds 31 - washingtonpost.com
So how are they going to enforce this "lock down" if only the MP's have weapons?
Boomer bashing and gold... slow day around here. The difference around here is that one day, the argument on gold will be settled...
When a friend was ambushed and murdered with a gun in late 1980, he didn't really know me, but oh how he could make the music dance, and with his passing ended the possibility of the Beatles ever getting back together...
NOTaREALmerican wrote:
Very true, as most boomers were and are as clueless as the proceeding and following generations.
It's just we happened to come of age during the time the US and the world had the greatest wealth and freedom of expression, available free time, and tolerance. The wages in the us peaked in 1973, and anyone born after that has grown up inside a casino.
The screaming will start when they finally go outside into the real world (sorry Plato, but you Cave Analogy was the best thing you ever wrote).
I have compassion for you younger generations, as the world is going to change in a way that you have never thought.
At this point, survival is not necessary in my world.
dafox
if pork wasnt allowed no bills would ever pass. simple as that its a you do for me, ill do for you.
The only wars I would have been willing to sacrifice my son's life in (nobody would want
mine, but I include me here too) are WW II and the Revolutionary War.
When I ask myself what I would be willing to accept in my own life, that's it.
Since I couldn't accept that for me or my son, I don't see that I could accept it
for anybody else's child either. And he was in the army and honorably discharged,
and he's a vet, and was sent overseas briefly. And the treatment he's got from the
VA is 'way 'way better than nothing. And it's free.
Under lock down...all the gates are shut down, no one gets in or out. Soldiers are confined to barracks, families to quarters. Then the mps and any other units brought in, go searching.
edit....but again Fort Hood is huge....google it....reservation is very large.
Rare Earths: High-Tech Companies Face Shortages as China Hoards Metals - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
past weeping
Perhaps that third deployment was not such a good idea. I get the impression that O' and W, may be pushing some limits.
ac wrote:
Neither are capitalists, as has been proven.
nar
that is terrible but so true and so funny
Very interesting name on that shooter.
Cinco-X wrote:
So true.
lawyerliz wrote:
The value placed on that life is probably a little different when you have one son vs 3 and already lost one or two to whooping cough or scarlet fever. Still I find it interesting that you do not include the Civil War in your list.
Ugh. Muslim convert. This is about to get even uglier.
Dafox, if you are still out there. Florida requires bills have only one topic. Sometimes this
gets stretched, but mostly it works.
Line item veto anyone?
Cinco-X wrote:
Not anywhere near as many as you might think.
If I had to guess, I'd say the number of armed, on-duty mps might be 1% of total headcount.
Something in that range.
Boomer bashing and gold... slow day around here. The difference around here is that one day, the argument on gold will be settled...
not true. the boomer argument should be settled sometime around 2020
broward wrote:
Nothing of the sort. Even before Obama the economy has been subject to massive government influence that twisted those incentives.
rsj
yep me too but was confused about the .......well you know didnt know they did it,=))
TJ and The Bear wrote:
As has been proven during the Great Depression and the post-Civil War crashes.
It would be SO nice if you guys would read UNITED STATES history for awhile instead of obsessing over Russia.
I'm in the South, below the Mason-Dixon line and gos-o-mighty couldn't go tea-bagging cause it was raining and my flip-flops were slipping and sliding and I was terrifffffed I'd fall and hit on my big fat lazy ass.
OT
Home Design - Architecture!
- NY Times
Now if they can only build that with bamboo and 100 years lifespan!
Yep, I have carefully considered the Civil War, and nope, I wouldn't be willing
to sacrifice my or my son's life in it. I rather think that the US would have eventually
reconstituted, but Harry Turtledove's alternate history books are much more
informative that me on that.
By the way, my great great grandad was a drummer boy in the Civil War, I have
a certificate on the wall. Also a picture holding my mom, as a baby, and his
hourse Bob's horseshoe. Wonder if that much of my life will be left in a hundred
years. . . .
ac wrote:
"their incentives aren't aligned with good economic decisions"
Neither are capitalists, as has been proven.
But capitalists are smaller and easier to squish without destroying the whole country when they do stupid things.
Now it's going to be the entire system that goes down instead of one company.
Also got to remember that we are at war. Large parts of bases are currently deployed. Including mp units. Honestly don't know who is currently deployed from Fort Hood, lost track after dad retired, but I am sure you got units gone....but none of that matters. This is just ugly, all the way around. Bad enough to have to go to war...going to be a long couple of press cycles.
Homegnome:
As many have stated before, the guns are kept in the armory and only issued for training. Even then, ammo is controlled. You get your shells when you actually step onto the firing line. Also, there are very few MPs, maybe 1 or 2 companies per base. At any given time, on a base the size of Fort Hood, there are probably only 100-200 armed men.
Most people here have the courtesy not to shoot their mouths off on topics of which they know nothing. But now you know.
Thanks, nuke.
nar
more than their parents.
It is still unbelievable that 'we' don't trust our soldiers enough to allow them to carry their weapons or ammo.
Shiloh National Military Park is in my neighborhood, but no child of mine or grandchild will go to war. Seen to many green checks for dead in Vietnam.
jonathan
need to add midwestern values along with southern
HomeGnome:
No, it make perfect sense. We are dealing with lots of 19 year old kids with very potent weapons living in close quarters. These include lots of automatic weapons. Accidental discharges are a big threat. so, we control the weapons and ammo until they are truly needed. Cuts down on accidents. They only time soldiers are allowed to walk around with condition 1 weapons (magazine inserted, round chambered) is when they are 1) on the firing line or 2) in a combat zone.
broward wrote:
Glad you were there personally to document them for us. Could I borrow your notes?
No it isn't. Soldiers are under a tremendous amount of stress. You train someone to unleash them on the battle field, and not to be insulting, but you have to leash them when they are at home. That is why so much effort is being made on the reintegration of soldiers after deployment. I mean just a few months ago you had a guy shoot his wife and hang himself because he couldn't handle the stress of figuring out how to pay bills and rent coming back from Iraq. My dad is just now getting back to normal from his deployment. War messes you up. Life becomes simpler during wartime even if it is more dangerous....this is what a lot of people don't get. Sure soldiers want to come home, but 'home' isn't having to deal with all the day to day crap we take for granted...got to put the guns and ammo away until you recover from 'war'....
bet all contintental bases are on high alert.
yes barfly I understand and respect it was serious and needed to be stopped/addressed. I am sounding bitchy on this topic and for the snotty sound? I am sorry. However most boomers that I have met use the whole protest movement/war issues as a self-righteous woobie and I get very tired of the boomer kneejerk wrap it in smug attiude. Most suck. Hedonistic, spoiled, childish, limit sneering crappy people who truly think they are the utmost in commitment passion and enlightenment. pshaw they can suck my boils. That generation is the paulsons, and bernankes and dimons and .....nevermind. I need to go nap for work tonite----ill be back if others want to gnaw on any other protrusion of mine. Later taters
Nuke wrote:
IIRC, the Soviets trained much more realistically during the cold war, but also had a far greater "training accident" rate. When I was in the service in the late '70s/ early '80s, the number I heard quoted was 50k per year. That a lot of casualties for training. This didn't include the Afghanistan effort.
cinco-x
well my sil isnt a us citizen, he pays taxes, has a green card, he doesnt vote,dont sit on juries, whats the problem.
the gop has lost its mind.
gabyjan wrote:
Do you think he should be counted in the US Census?
homegnome
probably less than a small town(not city)
ft hood web page SERVICE UNAVILABLE they not kidding about lockdown.
usually posts are fence with gates closed i guess you could ram but not sure if you would get close enough .
"Change comes from young people."
Wrong. They've been bribed with gazillions in student loans. It's the beautiful scam. They think money grows on trees (well - actually it does and that's all it will be worth but whatever). At any rate you're not going to see change from people who:
lawyerliz wrote:
Your name will live on in all of those real estate documents that you drafted.