Completely OT, but I know there are a few programming types in here, and it's well outside of my sphere of experience:
I'm reading a simulation/operations book chapter from the late 90's that refers to 'object-oriented programming' in Prolog as a new way of doing things. Is Prolog old and busted, and how do cool kids program their optimization routines these days?
"We continue to work with our regulators to comply with our agreement with the goal of reaching a satisfactory outcome," Chairman Rogers Brandon wrote in an 8:27 p.m. e-mail. "We are pleased that our customers still enjoy the great service the bank has provided for almost 30 years."
Damn, a bank that's open at 8:27 PM, that's great service. Shame they failed.
noob goldberg -
Java has been pushed big time lately. I find it to be a pig.
I don't do much programming, and I deal mostly with text and numbers so I just do everything in perl.
C/C++ etc is still the standard for most.
picosec -
I don't CPF going under any time soon unless there is something very big being hidden in their loses in California. I think they can last a few more months until the CRE and RRE here in Hawaii start to show the holes in their lending.
Java has been pushed big time lately. I find it to be a pig.
I don't do much programming, and I deal mostly with text and numbers so I just do everything in perl.
C/C++ etc is still the standard for most.
Java is fine if you have unlimited memory and you don't particularly care when the code gets around to executing.
That pretty much sums up my opinion of it, it is also a real pain to program in.
So many of the applications I have to use at work has moved to Java, we had to upgrade the memory in our UNIX servers, and the apps still take up all of it.
Talk about a pig.
The deadline itself has raised enough concern among customers and employees that Hill issued a statement Wednesday saying that the bank is making progress on its near- and long-term goals. He acknowledged that an undisclosed number of customers have closed their accounts recently, and emphasized that checking account holders' deposits are insured "regardless of the amount."
America is a wide open- lonely land.
Anybody seen the Robert Frank collection at the Met? Fifty years since the publication of "The Americans."
Just curious.
usually I show up late night friday to see who failed... for some reason I don't have anything going on tonight, a fortuitous coincidence, bring on #100!
I don't do much programming, and I deal mostly with text and numbers so I just do everything in perl.
C/C++ etc is still the standard for most.
Whoa, thanks for the replies, guys. Got called away to very important 'tidying up the house' responsibilities.
I recognize that object-oriented programming isn't the same as optimization (but thanks for reminding me so I don't look like a total idiot ); I was more wondering if there had been some sort of wild new upgrade to 'object oriented' that I hadn't heard about.
My last exposure to programming was Fortran in the 90's, and although I can probably conjure up a wicked 'hello world', this is all way outside of my sphere of knowledge.
My focus here is to detail in as clear a language as possible the data collection requirements, necessary formulae, and operational characteristics of my 'program'. I'll leave the programming to the professionals (I hope). I'll grab a C++ for dummies book so that I at least have an idea of what the programmer might be looking for.
we had to upgrade the memory in our UNIX servers, and the apps still take up all of it.
Wait. You have nice, clean UNIX servers and decided to move forward with enterprise-wide applications in Java? Where the servers running Solaris? If not, why the )#(!%)#!( would you soil good, clean UNIX servers with Java apps?
Dice.com update. I didn't save an image but I believe Dice.com job listings bottomed a couple of months ago between 47-48K listings. Since then, it's risen to current 53.3K listings, eleven percent increase in ninety days or so.
Functional programming is where it's at nowadays (he said wishfully).
Clojure on the JVM is simply the most effective and efficient language for doing parallel programming now. You have solid debugged JVMs, and a LISP-style language in Clojure that you can use to fully access all the JAVA libraries, including the fabbo native Oracle drivers, SWING etc.
Very very very highly recommended. Rich Hickey, developer of Clojure is the CR of programming languages
Thanks, Jonathan, I'll look into it as well! But probably fewer Clojure programmers than C++, or should it not matter?
We talked about this shiny turd a few weeks ago. Bakersfiled is a complete BK-field. With apologies to Crispy & Cole we are talking about a community that wouldn't even get its own Randy Newman dirge never mind Roy Clark ditty at this point.
I was more wondering if there had been some sort of wild new upgrade to 'object oriented' that I hadn't heard about.
No, from what I remember from my skoolin', the move was to abstract out all of the nasty stuff and make it Excel-like for the programmer in all of us. Also, there have been pushes to try and make parallel code more programmer friendly to avoid those nasty semaphore locks and race conditions. As for the actual text/format/extend part of the technology, OOP is pretty much where it has stopped. I guess the next step will be holographic/3D interfaces so you can just manually manipulate the virtual representations of the objects.
Yeah, Rob this place was rumored to be going down a couple of weeks ago, but the regulators let them stay around a few weeks to try and find a saviour....but no one had any fishes or loaves of bread.
I profiled this bank on my old blog a few years ago and raised some serious questins about their accounting practices...I guess I was right!
Me, too. Lately Perl seems to have become the language people love to hate - especially Python bigots - allegedly for it's unreadability.
perl doesn't HAVE to be unreadable. i've written some very good, highly transferrable code with Perl. it's a powerful language for scripting linux/unix filesystem routines. back in the day, it was useful for cgi.
i haven't done any work in python / php, yet. my impression is that the learning curve will be rather flat... true?
I love perl - it's a little awkward, multitalented, and as verbose or concise, descriptive or cryptic as you care to make it. CPAN makes it very powerful. the structure does suck at native support for object-oriented or nicer sorts of hierarchical organizations though. I use it all the time. It's incredibly good for list processing and building data structures quickly and in few lines of code.
I guess the next step will be holographic/3D interfaces so you can just manually manipulate the virtual representations of the objects.
Got a white paper?
I keed, I keed.
My interest and ability is setting up what data is going to be collected, how it is collected, and what operations need to be performed on it. How it all works together will be the responsibility of whichever programming genius is tasked with pulling it all together, but that all hinges on my ability to pitch it to the guys with the cash.
So does anyone here work for FedEx/UPS/DHL or another high-volume logistics firm? Would they all be writing their routing software in C++?
yagij -
I think that code needed a pie chart to make it understandable to 99.9999 percent of the population.
I can make code that looks like one block of encryption, or I can make it very readable.
Kind of what accountants and tax lawyers have been doing to the balances sheets of late.
my impression is that the learning curve will be rather flat... true?
No PHP isn't flat. PHP4 -> PHP5 isn't legacy friendly. If you are going to play with PHP, start at 5 and ignore anything but simple snippets of code from 4. PHP isn't the worse option out there, but it is more of a Visual Basic of server code IMO. It has its strengths and its limitations. Jack of all trades, master of nothing. YMMV.
All Central Valley financial institutions feeling real estate impact, except one?
Numerous Central Valley financial institutions are hurting. However, there is one that appears to be bucking the trend. Are they really bucking the trend or is something else going on?
You can tell that the code below is decoding a DVD input stream?
First you missed/ignored my joke.
Second, nobody writes perl code like that in real life: it's game perl freaks call 'golf' which has as it's purpose accomplishing the task with the fewest number of characters. Perl does lend itself to that.
Interesting graph.
Relative rate-of-change is very high but absolute numbers very low.
Too soon to make a commitment.
Java is the #1 enterprise language, has been for several years.
Hot spots are Business Intelligence and Adobe Flex / LiveCycle, Drupal is solid, too.
" On the eve of a visit by China's No. 2 ranking military officer, the Obama administration loosens export controls on technology that will benefit Chinese missile development. It's deja vu all over again.
The Pentagon has announced that Chinese Gen. Xu Caihou will visit the United States and meet with Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Oct. 26. Xu is vice chairman of the People's Liberation Army Central Military Commission. While here, Xu will visit American military installations around the U.S., including the U.S. Pacific Command.
Perhaps Xu will bring with him a note of thanks for the administration's decision to shift authority for approving sales of missile and space technology from the White House to the Commerce Department. As Bill Gertz points out in the Washington Times, the little-noticed "presidential determination" made Sept. 29 alters a key provision of the 1999 Defense Authorization Act." Investors.com - Selling China The Rope To Hang Us
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More unintended consequences of being a debtor nation. Might be quicker to just post a price list for American assets and technology in T-bill purchases.
So does anyone here work for FedEx/UPS/DHL or another high-volume logistics firm? Would they all be writing their routing software in C++?
FedEx systems aren't C++ running on your average COTS server. They have (or I should say had) an onion approach similar to financial services companies. Mainframes running IMS, JCL (and other old acronyms) mixed in with Solaris servers running Oracle databases and a lot of technology in the middle to push/pull data between all kinds of different systems. When you mean "routing software", are you talking about the technology pushing/scanning packages through their sorting hubs or...?
Functional data structures (versus mutable data structures) are orders of magnitude easier to program, and therefore more reliable than the object-imitating garbage that people generally try to get by with in C / C++. If data structures don't mutate, you can run as many threads as you need.
However, and it's a big however, the big money is in consulting and the degree mills churn out C++ and Java programmers with no functional language ability, so only the cool kids know functional.
As a cool, I can work 100x more efficiently in Clojure than I could in C++, and I programmed C++ for years, and barely scratched the surface of Clojure.
Partly due to that cognitive dissonance, I ended up quitting the consultancy firm I worked for. Another reason was babysitting non-programmers who were completely baffled by Visual Studio 2005. AND WE STILL BILLED THEM AT $125 / hour.
Gah, enjoying a whisky and counting myself well out of it.
EDIT: I used to be a gas pipeline software guy. Very interesting area.
EDIT2: In one case I saw, 1000 lines of C++ could have been quite easily be replaced by 27 lines of a Lisp type language.
I'm afraid you made two contradictory statements in your posting:
...so I don't look like a total idiot...
and
My last exposure to programming was Fortran in the 90's...
Sadly, you even got "Fortran" wrong... it's FORTRAN. ALL CAPS. (Some compilers didn't understand lowercase.) But as a former FORTRAN programmer myself (indeed, I'll confess, I got my Ph.D. for a program written in... gulp... FORTRAN) I think your heart is in the right place. But we need to accept our idiocy before we can move on... so revel in your lack of modern programming knowledge! Geeks struggling to find $10/hr jobs will fight to clue you in! Thank them, and let them humble you -- only in this way will generational balance be restored.
Very true, that. Virtually anything you need to do has already been done by someone who understands the problem better than you and has written a solution with a nice OO interface. And you can find it all at search.cpan.org
It's incredibly good for list processing and building data structures quickly and in few lines of code.
First you missed/ignored my joke.
Second, nobody writes perl code like that in real life: it's game perl freaks call 'golf' which has as it's purpose accomplishing the task with the fewest number of characters. Perl does lend itself to that.
Third, I couldn't decode that to save my life.
I didn't ignore it, but conveniently moved around it.
Interesting graph.
Relative rate-of-change is very high but absolute numbers very low.
Too soon to make a commitment.
Thanks Broward, I love it when you post Indeed! I have it in my bookmarks somewhere, but I constantly forget that little nugget is there...
I'll do some reading on it then. I'm pitching a proposal they're not expecting to a group of guys who like me but don't know me that well, regarding a problem they don't know they have and suggesting a solution I'm not sure they'll understand.
When you've got nothing to lose, swing for the fence...
If it is mortgaged, the mortgage is secured. Cram downs
exist. I presume they can have a plan to try to catch up.
Those almost never work. If it has no mtg (unlikely) it is an asset, like other assets.
Run the Clojure competitor graphs on Indeed.
That will tell you a lot, too.
That's how I sold Abobe Flex, by running the graphs on alt approaches.
All the standard java UI technology peaked out in 2007.
that looks like code by someone who is working for their own job security.
Which explains why I can still make code that looks even more arcane than that, and perl makes it possible. I use it mostly because it can handle text parsing, and data structures well allowing me to analyse gigabytes of data quickly that tend to choke most databases.
I know the developers of one of the java pieces of trash got a little pissed when I decoded their binaries and wrote them up for a number of "security" items.
I don't see any real game changer languages out there right now, but then I hate programming and would much rather hang out here than bang my head against the keyboard.
When you mean "routing software", are you talking about the technology pushing/scanning packages through their sorting hubs or...?
Traveling salemen, mostly. This program, while not applied to traditional package movement logistics, deals with many of the same types of problems. Moving equipment around, optimization storage space utilization, etc. A large part of the program is a warehousing/transportation/job shop problem, but then there are other elements that are related but use very different parameters.
However, and it's a big however, the big money is in consulting and the degree mills churn out C++ and Java programmers with no functional language ability, so only the cool kids know functional.
I've always wanted to be cool
As long as Clojure isn't going to be orphaned in a couple of years, I'll seriously consider it...
Maybe the FDIC is behind schedule on changing the "Travelling Salesman" software they bought into the "Travelling Bank Regulator" software that they need?
Geeks struggling to find $10/hr jobs will fight to clue you in! Thank them, and let them humble you -- only in this way will generational balance be restored.
Heh, I stick with what I know, and I'll happily farm out the stuff I don't. But if the guys push me and ask me to suggest who might program this, I'd like to have an idea.
I threw away my FORTRAN textbook ages ago, and I would never, ever, ever have considered myself any type of FORTRAN jockey
A large part of the program is a warehousing/transportation/job shop problem, but then there are other elements that are related but use very different parameters.
Sun programmers hissed a fit when I posted it.
Typically the memes lead one to two years out before they're reflected in the real world.
In this case, I was looking for saturation around 2007, probably happened in 2008.
As near as I can tell, the Indians do what I do, they go after the primary trend and they've just trounched java over the past few years. I did not anticipate that level of new competitors. What's mattering more and more ($$$) are niche markets like BI, SEO and domain knowledge like genomics, pharma, etc.
There's just no safety in straight coding.
It's too easy for too many people.
Part of it is. Mostly it is a large data collection, collation, processing, and management decision support system for a very large agricultural operation. It's a proposal to deal with sidestepping the inevitable issues once an operation reaches a certain size and management can't be everywhere at once.
Mostly it's tinkering on stuff I loved to do as a graduate student and don't get to do in my current line of work. Even if they tell me to stuff it, I'm just having fun pretending I'm a grad student again.
You are too young to drink well. That was obvious when you didn't get the Apollo reference.
I still use Provue's Panorama to perform exotic voter database sieves and their compact parsing language looks exactly like that code fragment above. Reminds me of the days of doing math in APL on a DEC PDP-11 series. Shoot me now. Shall I pine for the days when I admin'd over 10MB Computervision drive platters the size of dishwashers?
Yeah, well if you won't offer any financing at all, you get a death
spiral.
I wouldn't pay anything per square foot, unless the condo was nearly fully
occupied and everybody was paying maintenance.
And I tried going for deposits, and I wonder if that guy is winning any cases?
There might be some Federal Regulation to sue on, but generally, a contract
really is a contract. I haven't researched liquidated damages for a while, but
last time I looked, the contracts are drafted well enough to let the developer
keep the money. Also, who sez the Related Group has any money anyway?
Of course if the deposit is unreasonably big, you might have a shot.
Nice one, statistics was the only math classes I actually liked.
I studied Psychology and Political Science and did not like any of my options, so I just learned how to play nicely with computers. At least they do what they are told most of the time.
Shall I pine for the days when I admin'd over 10MB Computervision drive platters the size of dishwashers?
Shall I pine for the day needing to have perfect hand-eye coordination and dexterity as I programmed and then played my own custom version of Donkey Kong on an Atari 800XL?
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Nothing worse than missing the 0.5 second window between pressing [Enter] and the [Play] button on the cassette tape drive. Had to rewind and start all over again.
There might be some Federal Regulation to sue on, but generally, a contract
really is a contract
I know - a contract is a contract. That's what I found to be funny and offensive at the same time. To clarify - I found it funny that an attorney who is supposedly familar with contract law would take all these cases on contingency. It sounds like some developers are settling just to make him go away. Ambulance chaser.
But I need the ice to chill the red wine so I can enjoy it at room temperature*
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* "Room temperature" is usually referred to as 70-74F and Southeners rarely enjoy those kinds of temperatures during the middle of the year.
Who said APL or fortran.......gosh thats before my time
I found out halfway through the semester that the course I was taking was the last time it was ever being offered because fortran was considered a 'dead language', in the words of the prof.
It sure didn't give me a whole lot of incentive to spend hundreds of extra hours tinkering with the language. And to add insult to injury, he told us that after we had passed the add/drop date.
Kauai_Kahuna (homepage, profile) wrote on Fri, 10/16/2009 - 9:21 pm
excelled in Statisitics.
-a bourne liar.
Nice one, statistics was the only math classes I actually liked.
I studied Psychology and Political Science and did not like any of my options, so I just learned how to play nicely with computers. At least they do what they are told most of the time.
Likewise, I aced stats (the theory, calc-based one) but enjoyed calculus [and made the mistake/choice of picking honors sections full of engineers]... I wanted to do philosophy actually, but got really disenchanted with what I was told I could expect from top philosophy grad programs. CS eventually bored me to the extent that I changed it to a very overloaded minor and dropped out of my compilers and computer architecture courses. Yeah, that was a bad decision in retrospect.
Young'uns. I had to program a PDP-8 by loading a program manually, hand-coding each 16-bit opcode by setting 16 switches, then pressing "enter" to program, repeating for each instruction. If you screwed one up, all you could do was to clear memory, and start from the beginning.
(Yeah, and I walked 6 miles to school in the snow, uphill, both ways!)
What's offensive about a contract being a contract?
Some developers required putting 30% down for speculators, partly to
make money, but partly so's they wouldn't have the present situation of
empty buildings. People who intended to live there put down much less.
Obviously, it didn't dampen speculation.
rather ask why they financed all those towers all at the same time?
They've done it several times before in different real estate niches,
and never seem to learn.
Young'uns. I had to program a PDP-8 by loading a program manually, hand-coding each 16-bit opcode by setting 16 switches, then pressing "enter" to program, repeating for each instruction.
So your 'hello world' actually took some serious time and effort!
lawyerliz -
Put the horses in the barn (or not), but at least shut the barn door,
and forget the ice and have a nice glass of red In Vino Veritas.
Just racked an Argentinian Malbec into secondary today. Sample tasted great but it will be a year or so before I want to drink it.
Right now I'll stick to cider, and meads.
If you screwed one up, all you could do was to clear memory, and start from the beginning.
That was nothing. One time, I had to use punch cords and had to use a single hand hole punch. If I misplaced a punch, I had to start over. If I dropped my cards, I had to reorder them. If I had to leave the room, I had to lock them up so Steven Quinn didn't vandalize them and make me lose my spot in the card loading queue.
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Hard times those were. Now, get back out to the field. That corn isn't going to shuck itself!
So your 'hello world' actually took some serious time and effort!
The computer ran an instrument -- and the first programs always crashed and burned (the lights froze -- the lights on a computer had a real meaning, and use, then).
But, at the end, when the damn thing actually worked, one felt like a god -- the physical world moved.
Dealing with hysterical women and narcissistic men on a daily basis is actually less painful for this ex-programmer/DBA than dealing with the technology meetings as a programmer and/or DBA.
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Go figure
Paper tape? You guys had paper tape? We had scratch HEX into our forearms in order to save code. This made it a dicy proposition to walk back to the cave as the Dire Wolves used to prowl the uphill both ways back to the glacier.
I made one batch that was around 14%, tasted fantastic but made the next morning very difficult.
I changed the labels to "Brain Dead"
I stopped making them that strong, now I go for 8 to 9 percent.
Got to rack my red headed stepchild wort into primary.
I was designing, sort of, a jury selection, tracking blah blah system. I had Cat in the Hat on the spash screen. Had to have a splash screen then. It did not go over well.
I had a Timex for my first PC.
That was years after I helped Grace dig a bug out of the tubes and tape it to the log.
An "opcode" is a 16-digit binary string (line 1010111101010110) that instructs the computer to do something, like move the arm to the left, or add "1" to a counter.
A "hello world" program is a simple program that just prints out a message (like "Hello World!") just to make sure you are not an idiot and are failing at even getting as far as building a working program.
Yep. Easier on my mind and nerves.
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Although I'm noticing an uptick in men self-destructing as of late. I'm not sure if it is just our luck, or the stresses of the current times finally making the weaker species crack under the pressure. Money mismanagement, drinking, drug use, and consorting with professional ladies of the night--usually all at the same time--is becoming more common nowadays as opposed to earlier this year or last year.
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Of course, their wives didn't mind it 25 years ago or mind it when the men were still functional members of society...
He had to decode flashing binary light sequences just to make sure that he spelled "hello world" properly!
They really did have it tougher back then...
DCRogers wrote:
But, at the end, when the damn thing actually worked, one felt like a god -- the physical world moved.
I felt that way when I replaced a 1979 Chrysler 360 and 727 transmission with the one from a mid-90's fuel injected 5.9 Magnum and 4-speed autoOD. It's the only thing I can relate it too
Hey, props to C&C for getting San Joaquin Bank right -- even though you weren't invested before you wrote the article, that didn't mean you couldn't short the hell out of them afterwords, right?
I remember talking to some guy who dropped by to talk to Capt. Grace. He was puzzled about how to do email addressing. I said "It's all about where your @"
Although I'm noticing an uptick in men self-destructing- Money mismanagement, drinking, drug use, and consorting with professional ladies of the night--usually all at the same time--is becoming more common nowadays as opposed to earlier this year or last year. Puzzled
And your achievement probably helped you with the fairer species...
If you mean my wife, yes. It meant that our old little motorhome stopped belching blue smoke and could actually climb a steep hill above 20mph. It was also much better on gas and quite a bit quieter afterwards.
But I wouldn't recommend the operation, unless one is blessed with a wide assortment of tools and knowledge for the inevitable necessary fabrication involved. Or blessed with a father who possesses those attributes and tools.
Doesn't drinking, drugs and professional ladies eat up a lot of money?
True story. We are in the discovery phase of a divorce. Husband produces a response stating that he has fixed monthly expenses of 25k/month. His stated earnings for the entire year was 24k. He asks the wife for pendente lite support. She hasn't held a real job during the 30 years of the marriage and sells designer closes on the side mostly for the discounts she gets. We notice that he has multiple ED prescriptions filled, and the wife states under oath that they haven't had physical contact in 3 years.
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During deposition of the wife, these facts are brought up by the husband's attorney, and the wife asks if her meager earnings should also go to the husband's ED treatment that isn't for her. She wanted to be comforted that she isn't the only woman being screwed.
At least he didn't say finding a TV with a rotating knob as an "antique" My mother still pines for a "TV with a knob!" Apparently, remote controls aren't her thang.
Ok, I'm still here. I'm defending a case right now, where the complaint sez that
the Assignment will be filed. But it's not in the court file and not in the recorder's
office, and I've not been shown a copy. And the atty says Plaintiff has standing. How?
Yep the mtg follows the note, but they also claimed that the note was lost.
Except now they say they found it, but no copy.
And Florida has some case law that Assignments aren't needed if you can show
consideration has been paid for the note and mtg. Ok, so how can Deutche Bank,
as Trustee of the XyZ trust prove it paid anything? I doubt that it can.
And my spouse is gonna kill me, if I don't get off this frickin computer, and
lie beside him reading a trashy novel.
i couldnt disagree more -- calling glodman sucks "scum" is being much too charitable -- blood sucking bottom dwelling evil terrorist scum seems somehow more fitting to my way of thinking
Too charitable still -- Taibbi said it best -- "The world's most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money."
It's low-class to put good red wines in the refrigerator.
Set the fridge for 60F and ensure a case doesn't last a month. Sadly, I'm not hoi ploi enough for a wine cellar... in my apartment
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Besides, I have a decanter for a reason...
Oh, one more ancient history comment. In about '65, the hub and his
best friend erroneously divided by zero and the paper spit out by the ream
at 2 cents a page, which was a lot of money back then.
Do any of you remember using punched cards and hoping that they wouldn't get shuffled by the system operators?
Yes and no. Mess with my batch COBOL and risk waking up duct taped to the flag pole on the reflecting pond. We knew where they lived if you think a fourth floor quad on Comm Ave was living.
i used to turn the deck on its side and take a marker pen and draw a diagonal line across the edges so i stood a chance of re-assembling the order of the deck
It's interesting that this article will be read by many who have no idea of the financial crisis. To most people here, much of the information will not be ALL THAT surprising. It is refreshingly written. A couple of choice paragraphs below:
To the rest of the world, the brazenness of the theft — coupled with the conspicuousness of the government's inaction — clearly demonstrates that the American capital markets are a crime in progress. To those of us who actually live here, however, the news is even worse. We're in a place we haven't been since the Depression: Our economy is so completely fucked, the rich are running out of things to steal.
How about bonds? "Naked short-selling of stocks is nothing compared to what goes on in the bond market," says Trimbath, the former DTC staffer. Indeed, the practice of selling bonds without delivering them is so rampant it has even infected the market for U.S. Treasury notes. That's right — Wall Street has actually been brazen enough to counterfeit the debt of the United States government right under the eyes of regulators, in the middle of a historic series of government bailouts! In fact, the amount of failed trades in Treasury bonds — the equivalent of "phantom" stocks — has doubled since 2007. In a single week last July, some $250 billion worth of U.S. Treasury bonds were sold and not delivered.
“Another SUICIDE BOMBERS operation, give us another $ 700 Billion or we are going blow this economy up, you know these bankers in WallStreet are the equivalent of SUICIDE BOMBERS in another countries. They threaten to blow themselves up and blow up the economy in an exchange for huge bailout money”
“how they can have record bonuses if they did not steal the money”
“ You are delusionary, prices (real estate) are not bottomed and real estate market has not bottomed. Delinquencies and foreclosure are skyrocketing that is not sign of real estate market bottoming. More wish full thinking and positive spin and justification for bonuses that should never be paid. Unless you want to pay other the terrorist, why do not you pay Osama Benlanden for great work he did in 9/11. I mean that the same as giving JPMorgan a bonus or GoldmanSches a bonus. They are all terrorists destroying the economy, one is using derivatives one using airplains”
Do any of you remember using punched cards and hoping that they wouldn't get shuffled by the system operators?
I remember, during the final night of a critical assignment, a fellow running with his deck towards the reader, then tripping, the cards flying, scattering, then the horrored silence, then him manically crawling around, impossibly trying to restore order to hundreds of cards, crying.
No, I'd rather pull out my own teeth than research mers enough
to do an ubernerd post.
But I read that article, and there is case law--in one of the districts anyway--
that sez you only have to show payment of consideration, ie money to buy the
loan. This actually makes some sense, sort of.
See my post above.
And if you endorse the note in Blank in Fla, it sorta turns into a bearer
bond.
Can the Trustees show they, or anybody paid. I doubt it.
I wanted to post thread music, but the song isn't available online. So, it's theme lyrics instead.
Two beautiful tons of Detroit steel
I wanna take you to Bakersfield
Hygenically challenged American chrome
Spread all across the lawn of our motel home
I wanna take you to Bakersfield (x4)
Oh let me take you there, I've got a pass for the track
Smell the nitro honey, feel the sun on your back
C'mon c'mon red-headed sinner put your foot to the floor
And I'll show you what Jesus gave you STP for
I wanna take you to Bakersfield (x4)
Yeah yeah yeah!
In a fat back lounge at the end of the day
We'll be soaking all the dust off the desert away
Clyde's in the bathroom with Tiny the gator
Yeah I wanna be your top eliminator
Oh yes I do
I wanna take you to Bakersfield (x8?)
--- The Jazz Butcher Conspiracy
Max Keiser -- The scary part is what seems like hyperbole in his rhetoric is actually fairly accurate. I think we have at most 3 years to get out of the dollar...
My sense is that MERS is a more of a paperwork fiasco rather than any fraudulent activity. I gather the extent of the fiasco is dependent on the jurisdiction.
Is Prolog old and busted, and how do cool kids program their optimization routines these days?
As far as I know, prolog was never used much outside of academics.
Always remember the first rule of hand-optimizing code: Don't do it.
Pay attention to where the actual performance problems appear, not where you naively assume they will appear. Use algorithms that scale well.
Thats one.
Ding
ETA: Damn, beat me to it.
Take that, taxpayer.
One more and I've got bragging rights...
Completely OT, but I know there are a few programming types in here, and it's well outside of my sphere of experience:
I'm reading a simulation/operations book chapter from the late 90's that refers to 'object-oriented programming' in Prolog as a new way of doing things. Is Prolog old and busted, and how do cool kids program their optimization routines these days?
Nuke wrote:
Don't they have FDIC-branded lube yet?
So, Sheila looks for loose change under the cushions on Fridays, then looks for a small enough bank to shut down?
posted on the last thread. shows the extend-and-pretend and forbearance policies that the regulators engaged in with SJB
San Joaquin Bank keeps mum through deadline - Bakersfield.com
99 luftbaloons
@noob
I left you a brief answer in the last thread.
Hey, its only around 3:30 here, too soon for a beer?
I'm sure its 5 oclock somewhere, Heres a bitter bastard IIPA for San Joaquin Bank.
welp. not TOTALLY broke i see.
maybe my 0 bet will win next week,
3 hours behind.
At least one!
As Casey Serin would say, you're on Island Time, so It's All Good!
"We continue to work with our regulators to comply with our agreement with the goal of reaching a satisfactory outcome," Chairman Rogers Brandon wrote in an 8:27 p.m. e-mail. "We are pleased that our customers still enjoy the great service the bank has provided for almost 30 years."
Damn, a bank that's open at 8:27 PM, that's great service. Shame they failed.
they were supposed to raise $27M by yesterday to get the regulators off their backs.
Some progress toward the $27 million was made recently when three bank officials forfeited their retirement packages, together valued at $6.5 million.
San Joaquin Bank keeps mum through deadline - Bakersfield.com
noob goldberg -
Java has been pushed big time lately. I find it to be a pig.
I don't do much programming, and I deal mostly with text and numbers so I just do everything in perl.
C/C++ etc is still the standard for most.
Basel Too wrote:
Wanna bet the forfeiture was conditional on successfully raising the rest of the moolah from other suckahs?
DCRogers wrote:
Yup, they really serviced us good.
If only GS or Ken Lewis would do that.
Actually, my glass of Jameson's precursed the closure. Those of you who voted "one" may bow in appreciation.
(I voted "four" so unless Hawaii, Alaska or Guam come through in spades I still missed it.}
Me too Picosec.
Well, they couldn't raise the money,so what were they supposed to
say?
Goodbye, and Thanks for all the Fish?
Failed Banks Total Goes to 99 in 2009 and 124 since 2008.
San Joaquin Bank is the 99th FDIC-insured institution to fail in the nation this year, and the tenth in California.
Check all the failed banks in 2009 at
Check map of failed banks at :
Portal Seven | Map for Banks Failed in 2009, Bank Failures Map 2009
funny thing is that $27M would have kept it going (at least in the short term), but it cost $103 to shut it down.
Kauai_Kahuna wrote:
Java is fine if you have unlimited memory and you don't particularly care when the code gets around to executing.
picosec -
I don't CPF going under any time soon unless there is something very big being hidden in their loses in California. I think they can last a few more months until the CRE and RRE here in Hawaii start to show the holes in their lending.
ok, so for the
out there who think that 0-1 bff means something sinister is afoot... exactly what would it be?
Kauai_Kahuna wrote:
C# is EZ
sm_landlord -
Java is fine if you have unlimited memory and you don't particularly care when the code gets around to executing.
That pretty much sums up my opinion of it, it is also a real pain to program in.
So many of the applications I have to use at work has moved to Java, we had to upgrade the memory in our UNIX servers, and the apps still take up all of it.
Talk about a pig.
Not according to the FDIC.
Well, now, at least they're trying to keep up appearances.
Nobody wants to be 100.
So how long before GE capital goes under? Three months after CIT?
America is a wide open- lonely land.
Anybody seen the Robert Frank collection at the Met? Fifty years since the publication of "The Americans."
Just curious.
Kauai_Kahuna wrote:
bwhahaha! yeah, right. they are tbtf.
usually I show up late night friday to see who failed... for some reason I don't have anything going on tonight, a fortuitous coincidence, bring on #100!
Kauai_Kahuna wrote:
Whoa, thanks for the replies, guys. Got called away to very important 'tidying up the house' responsibilities.
I recognize that object-oriented programming isn't the same as optimization (but thanks for reminding me so I don't look like a total idiot
); I was more wondering if there had been some sort of wild new upgrade to 'object oriented' that I hadn't heard about.
My last exposure to programming was Fortran in the 90's, and although I can probably conjure up a wicked 'hello world', this is all way outside of my sphere of knowledge.
My focus here is to detail in as clear a language as possible the data collection requirements, necessary formulae, and operational characteristics of my 'program'. I'll leave the programming to the professionals (I hope). I'll grab a C++ for dummies book so that I at least have an idea of what the programmer might be looking for.
Kauai_Kahuna wrote:
Wait. You have nice, clean UNIX servers and decided to move forward with enterprise-wide applications in Java? Where the servers running Solaris? If not, why the )#(!%)#!( would you soil good, clean UNIX servers with Java apps?
no suprise here!!
Dice.com update. I didn't save an image but I believe Dice.com job listings bottomed a couple of months ago between 47-48K listings. Since then, it's risen to current 53.3K listings, eleven percent increase in ninety days or so.
http://www.realmeme.com/roller/page/realmeme?entry=dice_update
I wonder if they'll give the hundredth bank to fail a big prize ala the millionth customer type thing? I then wonder what prize would they get?
?
Me, too. Lately Perl seems to have become the language people love to hate - especially Python bigots - allegedly for it's unreadability.
I think that's nuts and I can prove it: my C code was just as unreadable as my Perl code is
From the
thread:
Jonathan wrote:
Thanks, Jonathan, I'll look into it as well! But probably fewer Clojure programmers than C++, or should it not matter?
We talked about this shiny turd a few weeks ago. Bakersfiled is a complete BK-field. With apologies to Crispy & Cole we are talking about a community that wouldn't even get its own Randy Newman dirge never mind Roy Clark ditty at this point.
noob goldberg wrote:
No, from what I remember from my skoolin', the move was to abstract out all of the nasty stuff and make it Excel-like for the programmer in all of us. Also, there have been pushes to try and make parallel code more programmer friendly to avoid those nasty semaphore locks and race conditions. As for the actual text/format/extend part of the technology, OOP is pretty much where it has stopped. I guess the next step will be holographic/3D interfaces so you can just manually manipulate the virtual representations of the objects.
yagij - If not, why the )#(!%)#!( would you soil good, clean UNIX servers with Java apps? Shock
HPUX, and it was NOT my choice. I'm just the guy who has to make it all work somehow.
What are the jobs? We need to differentiate between jobs that create wealth and jobs that aid the destruction of wealth.
Yeah, Rob this place was rumored to be going down a couple of weeks ago, but the regulators let them stay around a few weeks to try and find a saviour....but no one had any fishes or loaves of bread.
I profiled this bank on my old blog a few years ago and raised some serious questins about their accounting practices...I guess I was right!
Sheila Bair on Morning Joe -
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33350944#33342006
bobn wrote:
You can tell that the code below is decoding a DVD input stream? I need new goggles. They dooz nozhing!
I wonder if people with 250,001 bucks can sue for their lost dollar?
Or, maybe no depositors have more than 250k?
I kinda wanted 1/2
anyway! Thank God! 
bobn wrote:
perl doesn't HAVE to be unreadable. i've written some very good, highly transferrable code with Perl. it's a powerful language for scripting linux/unix filesystem routines. back in the day, it was useful for cgi.
i haven't done any work in python / php, yet. my impression is that the learning curve will be rather flat... true?
Kauai_Kahuna wrote:
Oh the joy of that flavor. I haven't touched a HPUX machine in 9 (?) years...
*iIX chops? I r gotz n Apollo Admin Cert frum before they were subsumed by HP.
Oh, no a programmer thread.
Can we talk about sex or politics or religion?
Pavel? Pavvvellllllllllll???
I love perl - it's a little awkward, multitalented, and as verbose or concise, descriptive or cryptic as you care to make it. CPAN makes it very powerful. the structure does suck at native support for object-oriented or nicer sorts of hierarchical organizations though. I use it all the time. It's incredibly good for list processing and building data structures quickly and in few lines of code.
Best round up the women, shoot the horses, and ice down the
lawyerliz wrote:
How could you tell the difference Liz?
yagij wrote:
Got a white paper?
I keed, I keed.
My interest and ability is setting up what data is going to be collected, how it is collected, and what operations need to be performed on it. How it all works together will be the responsibility of whichever programming genius is tasked with pulling it all together, but that all hinges on my ability to pitch it to the guys with the cash.
So does anyone here work for FedEx/UPS/DHL or another high-volume logistics firm? Would they all be writing their routing software in C++?
yagij -
I think that code needed a pie chart to make it understandable to 99.9999 percent of the population.
I can make code that looks like one block of encryption, or I can make it very readable.
Kind of what accountants and tax lawyers have been doing to the balances sheets of late.
RockyR wrote:
No PHP isn't flat. PHP4 -> PHP5 isn't legacy friendly. If you are going to play with PHP, start at 5 and ignore anything but simple snippets of code from 4. PHP isn't the worse option out there, but it is more of a Visual Basic of server code IMO. It has its strengths and its limitations. Jack of all trades, master of nothing. YMMV.
Words like "data structures" Object oriented???? CPAN.
And hahahahaha
lawyerliz ,
I need an opinion. What happens to land in a bankruptcy for a non-profit corp?
Bakersfield Bubble: All Central Valley financial institutions feeling real estate impact, except one?
All Central Valley financial institutions feeling real estate impact, except one?
Numerous Central Valley financial institutions are hurting. However, there is one that appears to be bucking the trend. Are they really bucking the trend or is something else going on?
Bakersfield Cowboys
Roundin down BFF night
On Tear Citizen.
a haiku for your viewing pleasure.
First you missed/ignored my joke.
Second, nobody writes perl code like that in real life: it's game perl freaks call 'golf' which has as it's purpose accomplishing the task with the fewest number of characters. Perl does lend itself to that.
Third, I couldn't decode that to save my life.
lawyerliz wrote:
Just do what I'm doing: nod and smile, and scribble notes furiously. It got you through University, right?
noob goldberg wrote:
Clojure Job Trends | Indeed.com
Interesting graph.
Relative rate-of-change is very high but absolute numbers very low.
Too soon to make a commitment.
Java is the #1 enterprise language, has been for several years.
Hot spots are Business Intelligence and Adobe Flex / LiveCycle, Drupal is solid, too.
" On the eve of a visit by China's No. 2 ranking military officer, the Obama administration loosens export controls on technology that will benefit Chinese missile development. It's deja vu all over again.
The Pentagon has announced that Chinese Gen. Xu Caihou will visit the United States and meet with Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Oct. 26. Xu is vice chairman of the People's Liberation Army Central Military Commission. While here, Xu will visit American military installations around the U.S., including the U.S. Pacific Command.
Perhaps Xu will bring with him a note of thanks for the administration's decision to shift authority for approving sales of missile and space technology from the White House to the Commerce Department. As Bill Gertz points out in the Washington Times, the little-noticed "presidential determination" made Sept. 29 alters a key provision of the 1999 Defense Authorization Act."
Investors.com - Selling China The Rope To Hang Us
++++
More unintended consequences of being a debtor nation. Might be quicker to just post a price list for American assets and technology in T-bill purchases.
that looks like code by someone who is working for their own job security.
noob goldberg wrote:
FedEx systems aren't C++ running on your average COTS server. They have (or I should say had) an onion approach similar to financial services companies. Mainframes running IMS, JCL (and other old acronyms) mixed in with Solaris servers running Oracle databases and a lot of technology in the middle to push/pull data between all kinds of different systems. When you mean "routing software", are you talking about the technology pushing/scanning packages through their sorting hubs or...?
noob,
Functional data structures (versus mutable data structures) are orders of magnitude easier to program, and therefore more reliable than the object-imitating garbage that people generally try to get by with in C / C++. If data structures don't mutate, you can run as many threads as you need.
However, and it's a big however, the big money is in consulting and the degree mills churn out C++ and Java programmers with no functional language ability, so only the cool kids know functional.
As a cool, I can work 100x more efficiently in Clojure than I could in C++, and I programmed C++ for years, and barely scratched the surface of Clojure.
Partly due to that cognitive dissonance, I ended up quitting the consultancy firm I worked for. Another reason was babysitting non-programmers who were completely baffled by Visual Studio 2005. AND WE STILL BILLED THEM AT $125 / hour.
Gah, enjoying a whisky and counting myself well out of it.
EDIT: I used to be a gas pipeline software guy. Very interesting area.
EDIT2: In one case I saw, 1000 lines of C++ could have been quite easily be replaced by 27 lines of a Lisp type language.
I'm afraid you made two contradictory statements in your posting:
...so I don't look like a total idiot...
and
My last exposure to programming was Fortran in the 90's...
Sadly, you even got "Fortran" wrong... it's FORTRAN. ALL CAPS. (Some compilers didn't understand lowercase.) But as a former FORTRAN programmer myself (indeed, I'll confess, I got my Ph.D. for a program written in... gulp... FORTRAN) I think your heart is in the right place. But we need to accept our idiocy before we can move on... so revel in your lack of modern programming knowledge! Geeks struggling to find $10/hr jobs will fight to clue you in! Thank them, and let them humble you -- only in this way will generational balance be restored.
Since it's a slow night tonight, I feel I need to de-bunk the myth that a frog will not jump out of a pot of ever-increasing temp. water.
snopes.com: Slow Boiled Frog
A frog will jump out of boiling water, no matter how slowly the water temp increases.
Kids, do not try this at home.
Breaking: Iran Says It Will Soon Exclude The Dollar From The Country's Foreign Revenues And Reserves | zero hedge
where's the :barf: icon?
Very true, that. Virtually anything you need to do has already been done by someone who understands the problem better than you and has written a solution with a nice OO interface. And you can find it all at search.cpan.org
Also truth. You can anything in nothing-flat.
kz wrote:
Right.
Which is why it's frowned upon in large orgs.
Re: routing software - they're talking about route optimization calculators.
I assume you have heard of the The International Obfuscated C Code Contest ?
bobn wrote:
yagij wrote:
thank you, yagij. my new (cheap) hosting provider doesn't support ruby or .NET. on the python/php for me
wish me luck!
wifey wants quiet time. enjoy the rest of bff.
/outsky
noob goldberg wrote:
ROTFLMAO
I'm glad I hadn't grabbed my drink yet...
Scary too... we taxpayers and future generations are getting reamed without lube...
Got
Neil
thats why I dont trade the SOX, homerun ballz are long game deep outta the money true believers.
broward wrote:
Thanks Broward, I love it when you post Indeed! I have it in my bookmarks somewhere, but I constantly forget that little nugget is there...
I'll do some reading on it then. I'm pitching a proposal they're not expecting to a group of guys who like me but don't know me that well, regarding a problem they don't know they have and suggesting a solution I'm not sure they'll understand.
When you've got nothing to lose, swing for the fence...
I'm not a bk atty.
Land is an asset.
If it is mortgaged, the mortgage is secured. Cram downs
exist. I presume they can have a plan to try to catch up.
Those almost never work. If it has no mtg (unlikely) it is an asset, like other assets.
bANK fAILURE (profile) wrote on Fri, 10/16/2009 - 8:56 pm
Best round up the women, shoot the horses, and ice down the Beer
or alternate combinations of those...
shoot the women, ice down the horses, round up the beer...
ice down the women, round up the horses, shoot the beer...
...
ice down the women, shoot the horses, round up the beer...
WINNER!
zerohedge's story(not really any substance) links to a tweet, also without any substance...
Max Keiser calls Goldman Sachs scum - he's absolutely right
YouTube - Max Keiser takes offense to Goldman Sachs story (pt1 of 2)
Run the Clojure competitor graphs on Indeed.
That will tell you a lot, too.
That's how I sold Abobe Flex, by running the graphs on alt approaches.
All the standard java UI technology peaked out in 2007.
Basel Too wrote:
Which leads to a MMORPG without any substance... which signifies where every bad ZH story goes to die.
Liz, at the rate your closings are going, maybe you should become a bk atty.
I would think all the stories behind bk would be interesting. But maybe the work is too tedious.
Round up the women, ice down the women, beer up the women, forget about the damn horses.
There. fixed that for ya.
kz -
that looks like code by someone who is working for their own job security.
Which explains why I can still make code that looks even more arcane than that, and perl makes it possible. I use it mostly because it can handle text parsing, and data structures well allowing me to analyse gigabytes of data quickly that tend to choke most databases.
I know the developers of one of the java pieces of trash got a little pissed when I decoded their binaries and wrote them up for a number of "security" items.
I don't see any real game changer languages out there right now, but then I hate programming and would much rather hang out here than bang my head against the keyboard.
I think Bill Fleckstein is shorting the semi's.
I think I have jas jain down to either Satyajit Das at Prudent Bear or somebodey at safe haven.
Basel Too wrote:
yes. i asked for more info.
/out
yagij wrote:
Traveling salemen, mostly. This program, while not applied to traditional package movement logistics, deals with many of the same types of problems. Moving equipment around, optimization storage space utilization, etc. A large part of the program is a warehousing/transportation/job shop problem, but then there are other elements that are related but use very different parameters.
noob goldberg wrote:
Then lay the unforeseen bunt, pray that the suicide squeeze works, and you somehow hoof it out to first base?
edited by author.
"I need an opinion. What happens to land in a bankruptcy for a non-profit corp?"
Off the cuff - sold to satisfy claims of creditors
Jonathan wrote:
I've always wanted to be cool
As long as Clojure isn't going to be orphaned in a couple of years, I'll seriously consider it...
Rob Dawg wrote:
What about my beer tho?
Spouse says to say
So goes my freedom.
lawyerliz,
Maybe you could take some of this guys business
Buyers Sue Trump as Miami’s Condo Prices Plummet (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
Rob Dawg (homepage, profile) wrote on Fri, 10/16/2009 - 9:08 pm
Round up the women, ice down the women, beer up the women, forget about the damn horses.
There. fixed that for ya.
I like how you think... on this issue as well!
Maybe the FDIC is behind schedule on changing the "Travelling Salesman" software they bought into the "Travelling Bank Regulator" software that they need?
How about rounding up some men and not icing them down?
DCRogers wrote:
Heh, I stick with what I know, and I'll happily farm out the stuff I don't. But if the guys push me and ask me to suggest who might program this, I'd like to have an idea.
I threw away my FORTRAN textbook ages ago, and I would never, ever, ever have considered myself any type of FORTRAN jockey
noob goldberg wrote:
Supply chain management?
lawyerliz wrote:
Then you lose all of your beer and the men are worthless. Hence, you ice them down... first.
My prediction for Java/J2ee saturation from late 2005.
Saving J2EE
Sun programmers hissed a fit when I posted it.
Typically the memes lead one to two years out before they're reflected in the real world.
In this case, I was looking for saturation around 2007, probably happened in 2008.
As near as I can tell, the Indians do what I do, they go after the primary trend and they've just trounched java over the past few years. I did not anticipate that level of new competitors. What's mattering more and more ($$$) are niche markets like BI, SEO and domain knowledge like genomics, pharma, etc.
There's just no safety in straight coding.
It's too easy for too many people.
yagij wrote:
Part of it is. Mostly it is a large data collection, collation, processing, and management decision support system for a very large agricultural operation. It's a proposal to deal with sidestepping the inevitable issues once an operation reaches a certain size and management can't be everywhere at once.
Mostly it's tinkering on stuff I loved to do as a graduate student and don't get to do in my current line of work. Even if they tell me to stuff it, I'm just having fun pretending I'm a grad student again.
You are too young to drink well. That was obvious when you didn't get the Apollo reference.
I still use Provue's Panorama to perform exotic voter database sieves and their compact parsing language looks exactly like that code fragment above. Reminds me of the days of doing math in APL on a DEC PDP-11 series. Shoot me now. Shall I pine for the days when I admin'd over 10MB Computervision drive platters the size of dishwashers?
Yeah, well if you won't offer any financing at all, you get a death
spiral.
I wouldn't pay anything per square foot, unless the condo was nearly fully
occupied and everybody was paying maintenance.
And I tried going for deposits, and I wonder if that guy is winning any cases?
There might be some Federal Regulation to sue on, but generally, a contract
really is a contract. I haven't researched liquidated damages for a while, but
last time I looked, the contracts are drafted well enough to let the developer
keep the money. Also, who sez the Related Group has any money anyway?
Of course if the deposit is unreasonably big, you might have a shot.
Rob Dawg wrote:
Good god. That doesn't just make you old, it makes you obscure.
Rob Dawg -
You really are showing your age. Hey I think I saw a DEC PDP-11 in a museum once!
-guy who flunked fortran, excelled in Statisitics.
-a bourne liar.
The women took the beer and rode off on the horses while y'all were busy reading CR.
So much for my "no more until November" theory. Maybe no more bigguns 'til Nov. (yes, Sheila, that's a challenge).
bANK fAILURE wrote:
I was average in pure statistics courses, but I aced Operations Management. Which I found odd, because it's pretty much identical.
excelled in Statisitics.
-a bourne liar.
Nice one, statistics was the only math classes I actually liked.
I studied Psychology and Political Science and did not like any of my options, so I just learned how to play nicely with computers. At least they do what they are told most of the time.
Rob Dawg wrote:
Shall I pine for the day needing to have perfect hand-eye coordination and dexterity as I programmed and then played my own custom version of Donkey Kong on an Atari 800XL?
.
Nothing worse than missing the 0.5 second window between pressing [Enter] and the [Play] button on the cassette tape drive. Had to rewind and start all over again.
lawyerliz wrote:
I know - a contract is a contract. That's what I found to be funny and offensive at the same time. To clarify - I found it funny that an attorney who is supposedly familar with contract law would take all these cases on contingency. It sounds like some developers are settling just to make him go away. Ambulance chaser.
Well one. We got one.
All is well
Who said APL or fortran.......gosh thats before my time
Put the horses in the barn (or not), but at least shut the barn door,
.
and forget the ice and have a nice glass of red
lawyerliz wrote:
But I need the ice to chill the red wine so I can enjoy it at room temperature*
.
* "Room temperature" is usually referred to as 70-74F and Southeners rarely enjoy those kinds of temperatures during the middle of the year.
Kauai_Kahuna wrote:
In my defense it was high school and the 11/40 was a current model at the time. Alas, much like me.
but generally, a contract really is a contract
I say BS!
A contract is words only needing clarity. btw that period means nothing...........pls a contract is only as good as the author and the reader
Barley wrote:
I found out halfway through the semester that the course I was taking was the last time it was ever being offered because fortran was considered a 'dead language', in the words of the prof.
It sure didn't give me a whole lot of incentive to spend hundreds of extra hours tinkering with the language. And to add insult to injury, he told us that after we had passed the add/drop date.
Kauai_Kahuna (homepage, profile) wrote on Fri, 10/16/2009 - 9:21 pm
excelled in Statisitics.
-a bourne liar.
Nice one, statistics was the only math classes I actually liked.
I studied Psychology and Political Science and did not like any of my options, so I just learned how to play nicely with computers. At least they do what they are told most of the time.
Likewise, I aced stats (the theory, calc-based one) but enjoyed calculus [and made the mistake/choice of picking honors sections full of engineers]... I wanted to do philosophy actually, but got really disenchanted with what I was told I could expect from top philosophy grad programs. CS eventually bored me to the extent that I changed it to a very overloaded minor and dropped out of my compilers and computer architecture courses. Yeah, that was a bad decision in retrospect.
Kauai_Kahuna wrote:
Young'uns. I had to program a PDP-8 by loading a program manually, hand-coding each 16-bit opcode by setting 16 switches, then pressing "enter" to program, repeating for each instruction. If you screwed one up, all you could do was to clear memory, and start from the beginning.
(Yeah, and I walked 6 miles to school in the snow, uphill, both ways!)
What's offensive about a contract being a contract?
Some developers required putting 30% down for speculators, partly to
make money, but partly so's they wouldn't have the present situation of
empty buildings. People who intended to live there put down much less.
Obviously, it didn't dampen speculation.
rather ask why they financed all those towers all at the same time?
They've done it several times before in different real estate niches,
and never seem to learn.
PDP8 is what?
DCRogers wrote:
So your 'hello world' actually took some serious time and effort!
lawyerliz -
Put the horses in the barn (or not), but at least shut the barn door,
and forget the ice and have a nice glass of red In Vino Veritas.
Just racked an Argentinian Malbec into secondary today. Sample tasted great but it will be a year or so before I want to drink it.
cider, and meads. 
Right now I'll stick to
opcode?
hello world?
DC - Now we're getting to the "BASICs" (weak pun intended).
Yessir, the PDP-8 and paper tape.
(But I only had to walk 3 miles to school and it only snowed every other day.)
lawyerliz wrote:
Hello world program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I feel your pain.
DCRogers wrote:
That was nothing. One time, I had to use punch cords and had to use a single hand hole punch. If I misplaced a punch, I had to start over. If I dropped my cards, I had to reorder them. If I had to leave the room, I had to lock them up so Steven Quinn didn't vandalize them and make me lose my spot in the card loading queue.
.
Hard times those were. Now, get back out to the field. That corn isn't going to shuck itself!
I really really like hard cider.
Once I drank too much because it didn't taste very alcoholic,
just very yummy. Big mistake.
noob goldberg wrote:
He had to decode flashing binary light sequences just to make sure that he spelled "hello world" properly!
et tu' Fortran.
noob goldberg wrote:
The computer ran an instrument -- and the first programs always crashed and burned (the lights froze -- the lights on a computer had a real meaning, and use, then).
But, at the end, when the damn thing actually worked, one felt like a god -- the physical world moved.
steelhead wrote:
Dealing with hysterical women and narcissistic men on a daily basis is actually less painful for this ex-programmer/DBA than dealing with the technology meetings as a programmer and/or DBA.
.
Go figure
Paper tape? You guys had paper tape? We had scratch HEX into our forearms in order to save code. This made it a dicy proposition to walk back to the cave as the Dire Wolves used to prowl the uphill both ways back to the glacier.
I made one batch that was around 14%, tasted fantastic but made the next morning very difficult.
I changed the labels to "Brain Dead"
I stopped making them that strong, now I go for 8 to 9 percent.
Got to rack my red headed stepchild wort into primary.
I took one programming course in about 1967 and I hated it and got a
D. I don't remember hello world. All I remember is do loops.
Rob Dawg wrote:
At least you didn't have to worry about the grue...
I was designing, sort of, a jury selection, tracking blah blah system. I had Cat in the Hat on the spash screen. Had to have a splash screen then. It did not go over well.
I had a Timex for my first PC.
That was years after I helped Grace dig a bug out of the tubes and tape it to the log.
deep money long game SOX are Ram Bus.
jury is still out.
lawyerliz wrote:
An "opcode" is a 16-digit binary string (line 1010111101010110) that instructs the computer to do something, like move the arm to the left, or add "1" to a counter.
A "hello world" program is a simple program that just prints out a message (like "Hello World!") just to make sure you are not an idiot and are failing at even getting as far as building a working program.
Divorces preferable hunh?
yagij wrote:
Grues evolved much later when Odysseus showed up.
lawyerliz wrote:
Yep. Easier on my mind and nerves.
.
Although I'm noticing an uptick in men self-destructing as of late. I'm not sure if it is just our luck, or the stresses of the current times finally making the weaker species crack under the pressure. Money mismanagement, drinking, drug use, and consorting with professional ladies of the night--usually all at the same time--is becoming more common nowadays as opposed to earlier this year or last year.
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Of course, their wives didn't mind it 25 years ago or mind it when the men were still functional members of society...
I coulda looked up opcode in Wiki, but it never would have occurred
to me to look up hello world.
yagij wrote:
They really did have it tougher back then...
DCRogers wrote:
I felt that way when I replaced a 1979 Chrysler 360 and 727 transmission with the one from a mid-90's fuel injected 5.9 Magnum and 4-speed autoOD. It's the only thing I can relate it too
iN Videa Does Account 4 Accumulating Machine anti-De-constructionists
-hardcore gamers unite
Hey, props to C&C for getting San Joaquin Bank right -- even though you weren't invested before you wrote the article, that didn't mean you couldn't short the hell out of them afterwords, right?
Doesn't drinking, drugs and professional ladies eat up a lot of
money?
noob goldberg wrote:
And your achievement probably helped you with the fairer species...
I remember talking to some guy who dropped by to talk to Capt. Grace. He was puzzled about how to do email addressing. I said "It's all about where your @"
Although I'm noticing an uptick in men self-destructing- Money mismanagement, drinking, drug use, and consorting with professional ladies of the night--usually all at the same time--is becoming more common nowadays as opposed to earlier this year or last year. Puzzled
I was thinking whats self destructive about that?
It's self destructive if you don't have any money and you
do have a wife.
lawyerliz wrote:
Depends upon which side of those transactions you've staked. I prefer to think of them as profit centers.
Red wine room temp is more like the like upper 50s low 60s, 70s is an easy way to shorten the shelf life.
yagij wrote:
If you mean my wife, yes. It meant that our old little motorhome stopped belching blue smoke and could actually climb a steep hill above 20mph. It was also much better on gas and quite a bit quieter afterwards.
But I wouldn't recommend the operation, unless one is blessed with a wide assortment of tools and knowledge for the inevitable necessary fabrication involved. Or blessed with a father who possesses those attributes and tools.
-Unemployed unmarried and without child,
MOVE ALONG I CANT TAKE CARE OF YU !!!
Nitey-nite.
lawyerliz wrote:
True story. We are in the discovery phase of a divorce. Husband produces a response stating that he has fixed monthly expenses of 25k/month. His stated earnings for the entire year was 24k. He asks the wife for pendente lite support. She hasn't held a real job during the 30 years of the marriage and sells designer closes on the side mostly for the discounts she gets. We notice that he has multiple ED prescriptions filled, and the wife states under oath that they haven't had physical contact in 3 years.
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During deposition of the wife, these facts are brought up by the husband's attorney, and the wife asks if her meager earnings should also go to the husband's ED treatment that isn't for her. She wanted to be comforted that she isn't the only woman being screwed.
Of course when I hear people say "Drugs, Alcohol, and Firearms" I say sounds like a great party, I'll bring the chips and dip.
i no u saw that liz...
Comrade Alexei Mikhailovich wrote:
In my house hold, reds that don't sit in the wine fridge have a short shelf life already
Of course when I hear people say "Drugs, Alcohol, and Firearms" I say sounds like a great party, I'll bring the chips and dip.
I come with a chip and an extra clip
LL: did you read the Mass. Land Court decision from a few days ago? Does it make legal sense to you?
Massachusetts Land Court Reaffirms Controversial Ibanez Ruling Invalidating Thousands Of Foreclosures | The Massachusetts Real Estate Law Blog
Kauai_Kahuna wrote:
I got to see a running VAX 11/750 at DefCon this year. It was pretty cool to see an antique like that in person.
Andrew wrote:
"Antique" sounds so judgmental.
so my daughter asked for another check.
I'm reviewing the previous 6 months checks, she's in the red.
JP wrote:
At least he didn't say finding a TV with a rotating knob as an "antique" My mother still pines for a "TV with a knob!" Apparently, remote controls aren't her thang.
km4 wrote 7:07 pm
Max Keiser calls Goldman Sachs scum - he's absolutely right
i couldnt disagree more
calling glodman sucks "scum" is being much too charitable
blood sucking bottom dwelling evil terrorist scum seems somehow more fitting to my way of thinking
It's low-class to put good red wines in the refrigerator. They can't breathe.
If it's not cold enough, put in one big ice cube. If it's still not cold enough, put in two.
Ok, I'm still here. I'm defending a case right now, where the complaint sez that
the Assignment will be filed. But it's not in the court file and not in the recorder's
office, and I've not been shown a copy. And the atty says Plaintiff has standing. How?
Yep the mtg follows the note, but they also claimed that the note was lost.
Except now they say they found it, but no copy.
And Florida has some case law that Assignments aren't needed if you can show
consideration has been paid for the note and mtg. Ok, so how can Deutche Bank,
as Trustee of the XyZ trust prove it paid anything? I doubt that it can.
And my spouse is gonna kill me, if I don't get off this frickin computer, and
lie beside him reading a trashy novel.
mock turtle wrote:
Too charitable still -- Taibbi said it best -- "The world's most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money."
182 FTW
-guy who barely knows 50 people.
Do any of you remember using punched cards and hoping that they wouldn't get shuffled by the system operators?
Oh, so that's where the vampire squid comment came from.
You used to get punch cards in the mail to send back, and
commanded not to fold, spindle or mutilate.
I was a computer operator. We loved shuffling/dropping card decks.
rich wrote:
Set the fridge for 60F and ensure a case doesn't last a month. Sadly, I'm not hoi ploi enough for a wine cellar... in my apartment
.
Besides, I have a decanter for a reason...
Re: "Ok, I'm still here. "
Thanks for your previous reply. I'm still playing games with a golf course that is going under.
Oh, one more ancient history comment. In about '65, the hub and his
best friend erroneously divided by zero and the paper spit out by the ream
at 2 cents a page, which was a lot of money back then.
upon further review of my check register, I find it out of date, by a whole year.
-the shredder.
punch cards YES...i punched my own
and ran my first programs on an ibm 1130 computer that had a cpu the size of a desk with...just guessing... not more than 52k bytes of ram!
The golf course thing sounds interesting, you mentioned
it once before right?
But I'm really tired.
Did you get the Home Owner or Condo Assn docs?
NorkaWest wrote:
Yes and no. Mess with my batch COBOL and risk waking up duct taped to the flag pole on the reflecting pond. We knew where they lived if you think a fourth floor quad on Comm Ave was living.
dropped cards
i used to turn the deck on its side and take a marker pen and draw a diagonal line across the edges so i stood a chance of re-assembling the order of the deck
lawyerliz,
I realize that you are attempting to retire for the evening. Have you responded to this:
A Birdie On Possible Foreclosure Frauds - The Market Ticker
I nominate you for an UberNerd post regarding the MERS fiasco...
It was class warfare back then.
way slow posting
love as consideration.
fixed it.
lawyerliz -
Did you get the Home Owner or Condo Assn docs?
Usually write to the association and get a copy, they always charge for it.
Mine just put it on the Web, but not many have.
HIGHLY RECOMMEND this article in Rolling stone magazine...
Wall Street's Naked Swindle : Rolling Stone
It's interesting that this article will be read by many who have no idea of the financial crisis. To most people here, much of the information will not be ALL THAT surprising. It is refreshingly written. A couple of choice paragraphs below:
To the rest of the world, the brazenness of the theft — coupled with the conspicuousness of the government's inaction — clearly demonstrates that the American capital markets are a crime in progress. To those of us who actually live here, however, the news is even worse. We're in a place we haven't been since the Depression: Our economy is so completely fucked, the rich are running out of things to steal.
How about bonds? "Naked short-selling of stocks is nothing compared to what goes on in the bond market," says Trimbath, the former DTC staffer. Indeed, the practice of selling bonds without delivering them is so rampant it has even infected the market for U.S. Treasury notes. That's right — Wall Street has actually been brazen enough to counterfeit the debt of the United States government right under the eyes of regulators, in the middle of a historic series of government bailouts! In fact, the amount of failed trades in Treasury bonds — the equivalent of "phantom" stocks — has doubled since 2007. In a single week last July, some $250 billion worth of U.S. Treasury bonds were sold and not delivered.
M-F
i second that...excellent article
km4
Thanks for the video links to Dylan R. and this. 60 mins. material.
Hey there,
Yes, it's a massive mess and getting ugly!
Kudos to Max Keiser, my new hero.
Time mark is 4:55:
“Another SUICIDE BOMBERS operation, give us another $ 700 Billion or we are going blow this economy up, you know these bankers in WallStreet are the equivalent of SUICIDE BOMBERS in another countries. They threaten to blow themselves up and blow up the economy in an exchange for huge bailout money”
YouTube - Max Keiser - Face Off - "Is the Crisis Over?" (1/2)
Do not miss part 2:
“WallStreet Jehadist are blowing the economy”
“how they can have record bonuses if they did not steal the money”
“ You are delusionary, prices (real estate) are not bottomed and real estate market has not bottomed. Delinquencies and foreclosure are skyrocketing that is not sign of real estate market bottoming. More wish full thinking and positive spin and justification for bonuses that should never be paid. Unless you want to pay other the terrorist, why do not you pay Osama Benlanden for great work he did in 9/11. I mean that the same as giving JPMorgan a bonus or GoldmanSches a bonus. They are all terrorists destroying the economy, one is using derivatives one using airplains”
YouTube - Max Keiser - Face Off - "Is the Crisis Over?" (2/2)
99 TSTM bank-blowups on the wall
99 TSTM banks
Sheila take one down
Passes assets around...
M-F wrote:
If there was a more socially-acceptable (but probably less accurate) way of wording this, I would nominate this sentence as 'Phrase of the Year'.
NorkaWest wrote:
I remember, during the final night of a critical assignment, a fellow running with his deck towards the reader, then tripping, the cards flying, scattering, then the horrored silence, then him manically crawling around, impossibly trying to restore order to hundreds of cards, crying.
No, I'd rather pull out my own teeth than research mers enough
to do an ubernerd post.
But I read that article, and there is case law--in one of the districts anyway--
that sez you only have to show payment of consideration, ie money to buy the
loan. This actually makes some sense, sort of.
See my post above.
And if you endorse the note in Blank in Fla, it sorta turns into a bearer
bond.
Can the Trustees show they, or anybody paid. I doubt it.
Now my sweet little bed and husband are waiting.
I wanted to post thread music, but the song isn't available online. So, it's theme lyrics instead.
Two beautiful tons of Detroit steel
I wanna take you to Bakersfield
Hygenically challenged American chrome
Spread all across the lawn of our motel home
I wanna take you to Bakersfield (x4)
Oh let me take you there, I've got a pass for the track
Smell the nitro honey, feel the sun on your back
C'mon c'mon red-headed sinner put your foot to the floor
And I'll show you what Jesus gave you STP for
I wanna take you to Bakersfield (x4)
Yeah yeah yeah!
In a fat back lounge at the end of the day
We'll be soaking all the dust off the desert away
Clyde's in the bathroom with Tiny the gator
Yeah I wanna be your top eliminator
Oh yes I do
I wanna take you to Bakersfield (x8?)
--- The Jazz Butcher Conspiracy
Source: The Jazz Butcher Conspiracy
: Lyrics
: Bakersfield
How long does it take to get pizza delivered in San Joaquin.
Looks like I won the poll.
You know, when you split the poll 11 ways, it's like a tiny slice of pizza for each person.
lawyerliz,
have a great night!
Somebody give the FDIC mo money so they can close another bank and I can have another beer.
A little theme music. 99 Red Ballons (Nena, 1984)
YouTube - 99 red ballons - Nena
Max Keiser -- The scary part is what seems like hyperbole in his rhetoric is actually fairly accurate. I think we have at most 3 years to get out of the dollar...
YouTube - Quique Gonzalez - Averia y redencion (con Leiva)
LL: thank you. We'll have to put albrt on the project.
someone's targeting gold hoards in Northern Virginia.
In N.Va. Heists, Only the Finest Jewelry Nabbed; Lesser Karats Are Left Behind - washingtonpost.com
Indian and South Asian communities traditionally pass collections of 22-karat gold from generation to generation. Gold has been selling at more than $1,000 an ounce, and some of the break-ins have netted more than $100,000 worth of jewelry, victims reported.
crowd
science
Thank you lawyerliz...You are a gem...
My sense is that MERS is a more of a paperwork fiasco rather than any fraudulent activity. I gather the extent of the fiasco is dependent on the jurisdiction.
next bff will be 99-B
noob goldberg wrote:
As far as I know, prolog was never used much outside of academics.
Always remember the first rule of hand-optimizing code: Don't do it.
Pay attention to where the actual performance problems appear, not where you naively assume they will appear. Use algorithms that scale well.
I am worried for the continued safety and security of Mr. Taibbi.