Oh yeah, those risks were so special to IndyMac.

Does an Inspector General ave rubber gloves AND epaulets?

Pigged

Yo DAWG. Sheila beez tight with SF gonna dooda wicky witch for Halloween..scare me

Huh?

"subprime lending and HLTV lending may pose the biggest threat to consumer loan portfolio credit quality"

Glad I got my HLTV plasma before credit dried up. It's awesome for watching football.

Doc Holiday:

I know.. that's very odd... mimicking street argot doesn't sound like the FFDIC we have come to know and love ...

Wazzaaappp?

Couldn't resist.

rockyR: nikkei observed "respect for the aged day" yesterday and the autumn equinox today.

OT: Just posted the San Fernando Valley home sales for August 2009 if anyone is interested:

Effective Demand: San Fernando Valley home sales report - August 2009

.. and the FDIC wants to borrow money now, because they failed to regulate the shit happening which is causing the systemic collapse they are trapped in ..... what a strange place this is, and hoocoodanode Dooooooooooooooom!!!

"we need a clear explanation why no significant action was taken"

The chainsaw photo isn't clear enough? I am not sure what would make it clearer.

Or do you mean we need a clear explanation of what this administration intends to do differently? Well, we aren't going to get that either. This administration has made it abundantly clear they aren't going to do anything differently, and wouldn't tell you if they were.

yossarian,

Yes, how rough, uncut and vulgar, even insular, although many might think it akin to being treacly.

I too would love to see all the key people's conversations and votes laid out to the public. But inflating the bubble was a series of big decisions that had to have been made at the top, and we already know who the top people were. They are Greenspan, the political operatives in the Bush WH who pulled Snows' strings, and the two top people (one from each party) on each of the more powerful financial committees in Congress. For some reason, these people are not all being held to account.

thank you, BT. is that code for "bank holiday?"

Tinfoil Hat

obama did say he was going to protect bankers from the pitchforks.

I think many people can talk competently about risk without taking it seriously.

not in the tinfoil sense. those are annual bank holidays in Japan.

The debt ceiling will become the debt sealing, of fate that is.

Interesting .... 52 users and 317 guests on a Monday night... either nobody wants to watch "Dancing with the Stars" with convicted felon Tom Delay ... or perhaps strains in the financial world are about to take a turn ....

hmmm... pondering... what is the Asian strategy? break us with debt? ...like some sort of perverse arms race waged by trading paper?

Asia to Expand Faster Than Expected This Year, Next, ADB Says

This is not true. The FDIC understood, however it could not act on orders from the Bush administration. I was working there until Sept. 2005 (RIF). This will eventually come out when more FDIC employees especially examiners retiree and feel free to discuss their careers. When will the NY Times and Wall Street interview a former examiner or retired examiner? They are certainly out there and not all of them are in deep love with the FDIC and OCC.

Thanks, Effective Demand.

"Few short sales because the banks are slow in responding (This might change soon, I'll post on why later). Few REOs because the administration has made them verboten. This is not a functioning market but one on life support. Reality has been suspended until Uncle Sam decides otherwise."

"Slow in responding" might change soon - Why? I can't wait Smile

Basel Too (profile) wrote on Mon, 9/21/2009 - 9:08 pm
reply ignore user
obama did say he was going to protect bankers from the pitchforks.

Tricky, tricky. So we can cook them but not poke them to check whether or not they're ready to eat.

Respect for the aged day? Like they celebrate how old their recession is?

Weird.

C

So you are saying that administration officials directly told the FDIC not to interfere with banks?

not in the tinfoil sense. those are annual bank holidays in Japan.

yeah, but cummon... I don't mean any disrespect to the culture, but "respect the aged day" and the "vernal equinox"... that sounds pretty far-fetched on the surface. Glod love em.

FFDIC,

Agreed, a lot of non-regulation seemed to be driven by the Ownership Society and the patriotic sense of duty to be greedy and unrestrained.

William Black stated that they were taking down banks before they even posted a loss!

Hoocooda bleeping node...

I'm sure they feel the same way about our annual "too big to fail" holiday.

Not to mention the "Shopping Solstice".

Complicit inaction. This is what we get for having the same administration for the last 9 years continuously.

Of course the regulators' hands were tied--it's hard to blow a bubble with those hands around your throat.

For anyone doing the split-screen thing, I highly recommend :

Dead Like Me - Full Episodes and Clips streaming online for free - Hulu

guarranteed doomer entertainment

"Respect for the aged day"

I believe that this is a sign of a deep cultural difference between us and Japan, that just happens to explain why they refused to write off debt or inflate, and therefore why the yen has appreciated versus the dollar in the last quarter century (and they have arguably had only moderate GDP growth over that period). Japanese people save for their retirement. Old people's savings are in yen deposits more than in the stock market or other volatile investments. Guaranteeing a steady real value (i.e. real purchasing power) of those yen deposits for old age is important to older and younger Japanese.

Bond Girl - Bush installed Chairman Powell who instituted drive by examinations, blitz examinations and no examinations to let the banks do as they please. He also told examiners to go easy on the banks. Hell, Powell was a Texas banker his entire life! Fox guarding the hen house and it worked for Bush and the banks but it did not work for the American public who will pay the rest of our lives. Powell told FDIC employees as late as 2004 that... "we were in a Golden Age of banking..." and continued to RIF FDIC employees as late as Sept 2005. My boss said, "anybody can do this job and we will just hire you back if we need you..."

Wait, so the strangleholders won this one?

C

barfly (profile) wrote on Mon, 9/21/2009 - 9:18 pm

For anyone doing the split-screen thing, I highly recommend :
Hulu - Dead Like Me
guarranteed doomer entertainment

I have the entire series. Love the stickie notes.

I wonder how significant this will be? SCOTUS bound?

"The District Court denied this motion, and various appeals resulted. The Kansas Supreme Court rejected the appeal by MERS and Sovereign, finding that since MERS did not own the note its status in law as relates to the mortgage is tenuous. Therefore none of the criteria for setting aside the foreclosure could be met. In ruling this way the Court rejected the amicus brief filed by various financial organizations which endorsed the MERS system, saying that it must follow the law as written, notwithstanding the amicus brief’s complaint that the recording scheme stems from “seventeenth-century property law that is entirely unsuited to twentieth-century financial transactions”."
Decision: Landmark National Bank v. Kesler « Kansas Supreme Court Blog

"The significance of the holding is that if MERS has no standing to foreclose, then nobody has standing to foreclose – on 60 million mortgages. That is the number of American mortgages currently reported to be held by MERS. Over half of all new U.S. residential mortgage loans are registered with MERS and recorded in its name. Holdings of the Kansas Supreme Court are not binding on the rest of the country, but they are dicta of which other courts take note; and the reasoning behind the decision is sound."
OpEdNews - Article: LANDMARK DECISION PROMISES MASSIVE RELIEF FOR HOMEOWNERS AND TROUBLE FOR BANKS

"Respect for the aged day"
I believe that this is a sign of a deep cultural difference between us and Japan

at my soon-to-be-"last company", the CEO gave a long presentation about how experience doesn't matter and how we should shed any notion that the elders in the clan know any better than the youngest. he cited an HBS article when he did it. that was right before the firm nose-dived.

Nytol

Re: "This is what we get for having the same administration for the last 9 years continuously."

Toss out the pigs every two years or sooner and get rid of the old bastards. No offense intended at Ted Kennedy, but politicians need to be replaced versus given lifetime positions.

Dawg, don't tell me we can relate. I don't think I could handle it. Wink

HBS... yes, we could have some fun with that.

C

I've never quite been able to form an opinion on term limits. It seems to me that replacing politicians frequently just reinforces the attitude that something will be someone else's problem by the time it blows up. That, and the fact that there does not seem to be much difference among politicians anymore.

Basically the same thing happened at the SEC.

Re: "Golden Age of banking" backed and linked to a tsunami of derivative shit that was so big and diversified that every model proved that failure was not possible! So why regulate something so safe ........ why not just open the floodgates and let people go wild and not hold anyone accountable for being part of the Ownership Society> What a bunch of retard crooks ... and now we all pay for their fantasy!

What makes me sick the most is all the young men and women fighting for American values.. what values? Banking values? They seem to matter the most when all is said and done and the bill arrives. Hey man you died to keep a bank safe and free. Thank you man.

"I wonder how significant this will be? SCOTUS bound?"

It goes too far to be upheld. But the very fact that such a ruling could be issued bu such a high court supports my notion that debt repayment is taken much less seriously than it used to be in the US. That may be a lot of fun for a while, but the long term consequences are not good. It's that no free lunch thing again.

It sounds like FDIC switching to relying on examinations by OTS was another method of reducing oversight; since we know that OTS was in the pockets of the institutions it was supposed to regulate.

"Cut red tape" is politician code for "Give us license to steal"

Thanks, as always, for the background, FFDIC.

Good night everyone.

Doc - I doubt FDIC had a half dozen people in 2004 that really understood derivatives.

Even Warren Buffett said he did not understand them as I recall. I'm sure FDIC is now paying an army of expensive contractors to handle derivatives. And knowing FDIC it will in time establish its own Derivatives Resolutions & Receiverships department with four layers of semi-qualified management in Dallas and two layers of totally unqualified management in DC.

more like, dude, you fought to defend the rights of the insurance companies to charge whatever they want? Awesome!

Bond Girl,

Term limits help offset political cycles. I always felt the housing bubble was being pushed by a Republican agenda at almost every level of government. I'm an independent (and probably will never vote again) and saw this in many places, where cities were steamrolling citizens and forcing huge developments and pushing for BIGBOX developments that were linked to massive housing projects and there seemed to be no limit to expansion ...... the people in power, had too much power and that abuse of power was a focused agenda across America, which was all about growth and building and selling loans.... the bubble should have been popped much earlier. Maybe term limits would not have stopped that euphoria?

barfly (profile) wrote on Mon, 9/21/2009 - 9:23 pm

Dawg, don't tell me we can relate. I don't think I could handle it.

Once you've laughed at a tree full of toilet seats you can handle anything.

Hell, Powell was a Texas banker his entire life!

Speaking of which, I missed this at the time but...

Reports: Silverado figure Wise leaps to his death

Strange career. After Silverado and after being "banned from the banking industry for life" you'd think people would think twice about investing with him, but he was able to start a private capital fund ten years later only to walk with the capital. And even after serving a prison sentence for wire fraud he was still able to find employment at yet another lender.

I'm all for Christian forgiveness and I certainly don't think crimes should carry sentences of mandatory lifetime unemployment...but still.

(The statement in the article that his link to Silverado had only recently come to light is an odd one--I honestly can't figure out what they were trying to say here, because all of the history reported here was generally known.)

rosethorn - FDIC was looking at various novel ways to reduce staff because it had instituted a BONUS play for managers who reduced expenses regardless of the risk involved. The FDIC mangers went wild in a hurry cutting right and left to get their greedy bonus money.

"notwithstanding the amicus brief’s complaint that the recording scheme stems from “seventeenth-century property law that is entirely unsuited to twentieth-century financial transactions”" Laughing out loud

Maybe MERS can sue their attorney that wrote this sentence for malpractice. I'm not a lawyer and I can guess the justices were ROFL after reading that.

Oh yeah, make fun of precedent. That's the way to win the SCOTUS to you views. Not.

Doc - I doubt FDIC had a half dozen people in 2004 that really understood derivatives.

They have a half dozen now who really understand them? Does anyone? Really?

That would explain why your application was rejected...you're experience level would bust their "budget". Sorry to hear about it; we need people who genuinely care about the work they do more than ever.

FFDIC,

Yah, I know. I recall reading a blurb from Moody's or S&P about how they didn't know how to rate some of the stuff in the pipeline, but they didn't want to lose business, so they adjusted models and just went for the ride (essentially); I don't think anyone ever really understood derivatives and obviously "they" still don't. I always liked the joke that derivatives got us in this mess, and by God they'll get us out....

Bond Girl, I think we all idolize the country's founding fathers a little, and wonder if their status as part-time legislators might not be a key to the greatness of their political and legislative achievements. There may be some truth to the idea that making legislating only a part of our lawmakers' lives would improve the quality of our politics. If so, what is needed is to eliminate the lifetime political career. Term limits as written today seem to merely move lifetime career pols from one position to the next (like Putin). We'd almost need an "up or out" set of rules that forces pols to leave politics if they didn't move to a higher office. And pay them enough so that they are not desperate to stay in politics forever. Never gonna happen.

Making fun of precedent means you are a racist.

Derivatives = Ticking time bomb + Falling Knife + Dooooooooooooooom!!!
Risk Models = Hopium x Wheres MY pony?

Any questions?

Congress should meet one week a year- tops.

This makes some sense...as part-time legislators they could double up as as lobbyists while still in office instead of waiting until their terms are up. It would be more efficient, and more transparent, than the current system.

We already KNOW the explanation. What, do you think they are actually going to ADMIT the truth, that they DONT WANT TO REGULATE and they IGNORE THE RULES? Excuse me for being pissed, but I find that we are being waaaaay wayyyy way too lenient here. When something is this frakkin obvious...you call it.

Seriously, does any single person here think that Bernanke will EVER admit the reality and the responsiblity? If you do, you need your head examined.

From last week:

The amount of debt covered globally by protection in the credit default swaps market shrank by nearly a fifth in the first half of the year, to $31.2 trillion, according to the latest industry survey.

At its annual conference Tuesday, the International Swaps and Derivatives Association said there was a 19% decline for the first six months of the year from $38.6 trillion. That brings the total drop over the past 12 months to a whopping 43%..

Global Credit Derivatives Market Continues To Shrink - WSJ.com

This makes some sense...as part-time legislators they could double up as as lobbyists while still in office instead of waiting until their terms are up. It would be more efficient, and more transparent, than the current system.

Or just all work for Goldman Sachs... oh wait they already do.

DIR and FDIC's OIG love facts. Former FDIC Chairman & Bush cronie Powell hated them except as a necessary peg to hang generalizations on.

Rob Dawg,

Einstein would be proud!

Uh, I am quite certain that you are missing BeerCurrently Smoking CannibisBeer in that second part.

the present case has merit, but the precedent is one of the best cases of all time. of all time.

"They have a half dozen now who really understand them? Does anyone? Really?"

I deal in derivatives on a daily basis. I am sure that the top people at the key organizations, and probably quite a few further down, understood enough to know what the real risks were. But there was money to be made, and political gain, by not acknowledging the problems or doing anything about them.

I strongly suspect that any material drop in derivatives is mostly because we have bought them via bank failures and other devil devices.

The consolidation of counterparties.

The consolidation of counterparties.

Well hell - looks like an opportunity for another stimulus program... can't have unemployed bankers can we? C4B - Cash For Bonuses!!!

Dude, we already DID C4B. Sigh....

Just in case you think everyone agrees that the dollar needs to depreciate versus other currencies:

FT: "Insight: G7 should deal with the dollar"

FT.com / Markets / Insight - Insight: G7 should deal with the dollar

Here's to FFDIC. Beer

Just wanted to jump in long enough to say

Welcome Back!

Nytol

Hmmmm...

Flagship chairman points finger at regulation | HeraldTribune.com | Sarasota Florida | Southwest Florida's Information Leader

“The system is destroying small banks,” Rivolta said. “The regulators tell you what to do. They create a spiral. Everything goes down in value and you have to keep putting more money aside so the bank doesn’t have to close.”

sm_landlord writes:
Track 3, "Supermassive Black Hole" just started. Must go crank it up more.

Give "Map of the Problematique" a listen.

This is for the night crew to work on:

Deferring Cancellation of Indebtedness Income Could Leave Taxpayers in a Worse Position, Warn Experts

"While this provision offers taxpayers an opportunity to restructure capital and clean up their debt, it could raise tax liabilities for distressed companies operating in states that choose to decouple from it..

Hmmm

I deal in derivatives on a daily basis. I am sure that the top people at the key organizations, and probably quite a few further down, understood enough to know what the real risks were. But there was money to be made

Isn't the speculative market founded on the principle that you can gain an advantage over others by having some insight, some predictive ability, "knowing" something that other market participants do not?

If that's the case, then inventing instruments that only you can understand seems like the perfect way to make money. Convincing someone else that it's worth something is the only trick, and that can be accomplished by trading it amongst a few institutions who have a pedigree name attached.

In case you missed the memo :

C4A - appliances
C4B - banker bonuses
C4C - clunkers

next up ...

C4D - derivatives and dumba$$es
C4E - erotica (otherwise known as P4P or profit for porno)
C4F - fornicators (otherwise know as F4F or funds for fockers)
C4G - gulags
C4H - has-beens
C4I - ingrates, wait..covered that with C4B
C4J - jury riggers
C4K - kalashnikovs
C4L - lackeys
C4M - money changers
C4N - nepotists
C4O - oligarchs
C4P - pawnbrokers
C4Q - quizshows
C4R - ratings agencies
C4S - stockbrokers
C4T - technocrats
C4U - underachievers
C4V - virgins
C4W - walkaways
C4X - xenon
C4Y - yesterday
C4Z - zookeepers

Just in case you think everyone agrees that the dollar needs to depreciate versus other currencies:

Of course they don't... lol... it means unemployment in their country!

Hey I don't care if the dollar stays strong - just so long as they don't bitch when we don't pay them back. If they are okay giving it away forever - I guess we take it.

I don't think they want that either.

I mean how are unemployed average Americans going to PRODUCE enough value to justify their jobs to pay back the mortgages in strong dollars if the goods they produce are denominated in same strong currency competing on a world market and getting crushed price wise [when up against cheaper product - cheaper only due to currency manipulation].

We can't keep running current account & trade deficits and pay them back in strong dollars - if they want to get paid back in strong dollars then WE have to run the surpluses - not them.

Or they get paid back in increasingly weaker money.

They can't have it both ways - they need to pick one.

C4∬
C4♃
C4♅
C4♐
C4☞
C4♹
C4✂
C4ɰ
C4ʤ
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Hoops, my man. Once again putting the point on the subject. You continue to justify my confidence in your intelligence.

i second mp s motion

three cheers and welcome back to FFDIC

What no C4 Nemo's Monkey ? Gonna be one unhappy monkey...

GD9000, climbing the charts with #1 , with a bullet.

Got it.
I was tempted to post the lyrics to Assassin, But it would probably get Homeland Security down on me. Wink

FFDIC
the other night I was talking to a guy here who's making money trading currencies for hos own account...
don't we essentially have a structural anomaly here in the way our markets are regulated? perhaps that's not the right phrase but how much can a top guy at the SEC or FDIC make? now, the gov. are sending these people up against so called rocket scientists to describe the risk envelope surrounding say an exotic derivative, as one example. we know that when the gov. comes after you for say anti-monopoly practices (see IBM 1970s) they have virtually unlimited resources (and go go outside and hire experts as they did when the went after Scientology, I know a senior partner at Rogers and Wells who worked on that case for the IRS... by the way, the Gov. had 'em lock stock and barrel as nothing more than a tax dodge and before trial inexplicably settled...)
....
OT/ the trial phase of the genocide trial of Comrade Duch (Keng Kek Iew) ended last Friday. the verdict will be handed down in Nov. the Big Case is when they try Nuon Chea aka Brother #2... second in command to Pol Pot
....

I learned something about India this evening.
Now I need to investigate hedging the currency.

I missed this last week.

The former Lehman Brothers Bank has remained and is not part of the bankruptcy. In the first few months of the parent company's bankruptcy, the bank website even continued to advertise an application for a Lehman Brothers credit card.

The bank was optimistically renamed Aurora Bank FSB in April -- Aurora being the goddess of the dawn in Roman mythology.

It employs more than 1,700 -- the bulk of Lehman Brothers remaining staff -- with most in loan servicing operations in Colorado and Nebraska.

Nytol Dooooooooooooooom!!!

Reports: Silverado figure Wise leaps to his death

Don't tell me he didn't have an invisible "helping hand" here -- there were a number of really pissed-off people who would have told him his family would be better off if he "did the right thing" -- or they would drop by later to help push.

Or, maybe he felt remorse -- you choose the explanation you think fits best.

Sorry patientrenter was configuring uverse, I'll give you a hint: Bill No: SB 306, I'll have a post up later this week about it.

FFDIC, thanks for all your illuminations. I've been lurking here long enough to have seen when CR got you to acronym that first word of your handle, and you've been giving quality commentary the entire time. Don't give up; we're getting closer to closure on the truth.

United States of Sheila

Silverado ( Savings and Loan?) Neil Bush? Where have I heard that name before?

Duke, and your point is? I was the FDIC's investigator on Silverado after it bounced around to investigators in FDIC's Denver office. Later, FDIC closed its Denver office and many other offices and shipped Silverado's boxes to me in Dallas. By that time most of it had been settled or hidden. I do recall that FDIC changed one of its procedures when it seeks authority to sue directors. Before Silverado FDIC would seek authority to sue directors and the Board would approve or disapprove without any advance notification to the directors who were about to be sued for millions. After Silverado the procedure was changed because Neil Bush was a director. Once authority to sue was certain the FDIC "invited" the targeted bank directors to a meeting to discuss the authority to sue so that there were no longer surprised when the suit was filed. This was a courtesy call so to speak and it has been standard procedure since Silverado. There were other changes as well but that is the most vivid one that I recall at this late hour. Silverado trivia for the Bush buffs.

OMG - the more I know of history, the more I want to upchuck. So Kissinger in the mid 70s supported the post Peronist right wing thug government and advocated torture. No wonder we got where we got recently....same people, same methods, same lunacy.

Thanks FFDIC. Hope there are some NYT reporters lurking. But I wouldn't count on it because the NYT sucks about as bad as the rest of the newspapers do nowadays. Pressure for conventionality must be extremely strong at newspapers because that's the only area where they can outcompete the internets.

NYTimes reporters...that's hilarious.

I think I hear the black helicopters...

barfly (profile) wrote on Mon, 9/21/2009 - 11:11 pm

I think I hear the black helicopters...

No. You won't.

Dawg, lol! You're gonna kill me laughing!

GDD9000
are you talking about HAK's tacit support of Argentina? I have read a substantial amount of docs from that time...
Henry was no choir boy and I will say that in high school I wanted to grown up to be Nat Sec Dir like him...
never happened, nor did I get close... now that I can look at internal docs and tapes I think I have a clear picture of him (remember I am in a country where if HAK committed an obvious war crime it's here... not Chile, not Argentina)
....
FFDIC, I wasn't trying to bruise your feelings... my comparison of the de-reg of '93-07 and all of the financial engineered products if produced and the strategies applied or not applied seems to mesh in an analogous way with WW1... that was a war where new and little understood technology was used in battles where the tactics or strategies were those used in the napoleonic wars, one has to go back to Agincourt to see a similar disjuncture...

Yes, that same HAK. Clearly he knew the policy there and was fine with it. I think I recall where you said you are. So I wont disagree with you.

a slight improvement on Rob Dawgs' "No, you won't."<\

"THE scrabble of rodents on the roof is only mimicry, the work of wind and weeping willows.
James Brecht thinks the sound is made by slithering ropes dangling from a hovering helicopter. He fears a SWAT team might soon descend.
When I note that we can hear no engine noise or rotor blades, Brecht says, “You guys have stealth choppers. Hush-mode flight. Quiet as dirigibles. I know all about it, Harry.”
I have told him my first name, in hope of establishing a bond.
Now I risk stoking his paranoia. “But we have stealth ropes, too. Made of frictionless nanofiber. You’d never hear them.”
“Frictionless? How do you hold onto them?”
“Very tightly, Jim. And with nanofiber gloves.”
People believe anything if you use words like nano and quantum."
.....
EDIT
by Dean Koontz

Duke - you're scary... but fun... in a horror show kind of way...

Duke of Con Dao (profile) wrote on Mon, 9/21/2009 - 11:28 pm

People believe anything if you use words like nano and quantum."

Or quantitative.

a brief 5 or 6 question interview of

william black,

the author of "best way to rob a bank is to on one" etc

he states amongst other things that we are 4 or 5 years or less away from another financial crisis if substantial corrections to the financial system are not instituted soon

Interview with William K. Black

found by way of big picture (ritholtz) hat tip

Dawg, I'm shocked at how much I've underestimated your sense of humor, your politics notwithstanding. Smile

GDS9000
I was staying out in the deep jungle a few weeks back in a country that we flew 114,000 sorties on from '65-'73
(see map: Page Not Found - Khmercity.net : Online Khmer Community
this area was in the Parrot's Beak region... but oddly, I have yet to meet a single Cambodian who holds the US responsible! most blame the North Vietnamese or Pol Pot but the US doesn't come up...
spend some time in Vietnam and you'll hear various opinions as you get closer to Hanoi...
....
saving grace - at least we didn't bomb Angkor Wat to the ground!
Cambodia was a neutral governed by a king until the coup in '70 by Lon Nol ... Sihanouk's mistakes were many... the last was giving his blessing for Grunk and Funk - front orgs for the KR in '71

touche Dawg!
Or quantitative.!!!!

saving grace for Cambodia, captain. Otherwise, there'd be no tourist industry most likely.

East Asia needs a common currency before there can be a discussion about supplanting the West. I don't see the Japanese giving up the yen, or China the yuan, or Korea adopting either. Because of that the region will remain tied to exports and dollars.

Glod is never OT, is it?

China Wants IMF Gold, But Only at a Discount

China is considering buying gold being offered for sale by the International Monetary Fund, Market News International said on Monday...

Gold...rebounded to $1,003.45 after the report.

That would put the market value of the 403.3 tonnes on offer from the IMF at close to $13 billion. "China only has about 1,000 tonnes of gold reserves and the investments in other assets are performing not very well," said one official, who declined to be named.

"I think we should build up more gold with foreign reserves, but when to buy is the key. It's a good idea if China can buy the gold from IMF at prices well below market level."

"I personally think China should buy the IMF gold. It will help China to diversify its reserve assets," the second official said.

"For the purpose of reserve safety, it is also good to increase the proportion of gold by a suitable amount," officials say.

China is already the biggest producer and buyer of glod today. According to the article, the world demand for glod is 4000 tons a year - 10X the amount the IMF plans to sell off to central banks.

Hell, the Chinese could easily corner the world gold market out of petty cash flow, without touching their reserves.

GDD9000
not exactly....
Phnom Penh is a beautiful city with the palace, the national museum, the river front, some really fine architecture which was derived from one of the greatest civilizations on Earth... everything so wonderful in Thailand was borrowed in the 15th, 16th, 17th centuries
by Siam inc. the best looking women - I'm sure you've seen the King and I? pure Khmer dancing, again borrowed... like Japan to China so was Siam to a collapsing Kampuchea. this is why the Thais have such a chip...
....
the beach areas while not as great as the Thai beaches are now humming with backpackers cause Thailand got greedy...
but essentially I agree w/o Angkor they would lose 80% of tourism...
in comparison Saigon is a sh**hole......

barfly....
the worhsip of glod in Nam and China is almost religious.... here the only gold dealers are ethnic Chinese... funny in Nam
women like to show off their gold as a sign of wealth, here not so much....

thx for the stories Duke...always entertaining and informative. Nytol

Hell, the Chinese could easily corner the world gold market out of petty cash flow, without touching their reserves.

While I'm heading to bed now, if the Chinese managed to corner gold and run the price up, it would send shockwaves through the glod market, no? If they ever wanted to remove their corner, they'd take a huge bath on it (not that they'd care). But if they ran that sequence a few times and kept running it up and extracting everyone's money, people would stop playing with them. Gold is, after all, just a metal, and if it was consistently abused in that way I can only imagine the appeal to being a store of wealth would diminish significantly.

Nevermind, this probably makes zero sense because I'm exhausted. I'm going to bed now. Nytol

Duke, I have no doubt about what you say concering the desirability of gold in your part of the world. Does it relate in any way to my IMF post?

Oh, before I go someone was talking about being interested in picking up POT around $88 today.

Here's an article on the fertilizer industry from the Financial Post in Toronto.

Farmers' potash gamble has producers paying price

I don't mind POT getting their comeuppance, they were jackasses when they began restricting supply to hold up prices.

Right. Nytol

barfly, I note that the IMF plans to put the cash proceeds from the sale into an endowment fund. Heh. What do they plan to invest it in, CD's that pay .1%, Treasuries that pay 3.5%, equities that pay almost nothing?

Meanwhile, gold has returned an average of what, 30% a year since late 1999.

As long as they're thinking so clearly, maybe they could also get Gordon Brown to pick the timing of the sale for them.

If they ever wanted to remove their corner, they'd take a huge bath on it...

And what do you think would happen if they sold their Treasuries?

Seems to me that your thinking is right on the money. We have term limits in California and a 2/3 super majority required to pass the budget and our politicians and political process is a joke. I think for government to operate properly you need at least some old bastards who've been around forever, know the ropes, the players and aren't afraid of anyone.

Considering these supposed regulators are supposed to be watching all the time, then it begs the question: why didn't any regulatory agency put a stop to any of this madness sooner? Because all regulators are usually one of two things: (1) incompetent, or (2) bought off somewhere along the food chain. The FBI warned in September 2004 that the mortgage lending industry had epidemic fraud in it; and Congress responded by not allowing them to replenish their already depleted man power in white collar investigations.

Yet, after all this regulation failed, as regulation has always continued to fail, because it is easier for Wall Street to commit fraud under regulation. It's the same mentality behind the War of Drugs--making drugs illegal has only made them more profitable.

We think deregulation doesn't work because what we call deregulation is not actually deregulation, but a pseudo-deregulation. When the S & Ls were deregulated they should have also lost all government safety nets as well.

Today, if the banks were allowed to fail, and investors and depositors had to eat that loss, then next time investors and depositors will perform due diligence on a bank before giving them money. All regulation and government safty nets do is create complacency, and this in turn allows for fraud to go on because everyone who has an invested interest stop looking. Regulators do NOT have an invested interest in catching or stopping anyone, so it's very easy to make it more in their interest to try even less.

What makes me sick the most is all the young men and women fighting for American values.. what values? Banking values? They seem to matter the most when all is said and done and the bill arrives. Hey man you died to keep a bank safe and free. Thank you man.

FFDIC, why do you hate Bank of America so much? Big smile

Seeing the problem is the easy half of the equation. Selling the problem where it will do some good is much harder.

Since were talking about commodities, er, gold, NPR is covering natural gas this week. Here's the link which contains an interactive map. Inclusion of gas from shale deposits in national reserve figures caused these figures to dramatically increase two years ago:

Rediscovering Natural Gas By Hitting Rock Bottom : NPR

One estimate which was cited in the report suggested that natural gas production could increase and replace about 1.5 million barrels/day of oil .

Dot connection time: Look at the post prior to this one -- on the plan to have banks loan to the FDIC. Oversight was bad enough in 2002 with the FDIC-- what do you think is gonig to happen to oversight of "heathy" banks when they are lending boatloads to the FDIC? Could they ever do wrong in the FDIC's eyes?Huge, unacceptable, borderline criminal conflict of interest between the lines of this plan.

Anyone telling you the problems with our markets is "too much government" is shoving a large red herring down your throat. They have it ass backwards -- The problem, temptation, corrosion and downfall of these systems has always been too much lopsided influence of private industry in goverment. Step by step, a very few "healthy" banks (the new oligarchy) are making the government beholden to them-- not merely so they can never fail, but so they can gain control of our governing and lawmaking process. So, kiss your free market and your democracy goodbye at the same time.

Look at the loans being made by these banks to crippled state and local goverhments -- look at these banks' highly successful efforts so far to quash regulatory reform. Can anyone seriously believe a major power grab is not happening here?

OT: Goldman Sachs raises North Korea to 'Buy'.
We project that a united Korea could overtake France, Germany and possibly Japan in 30-40 years in terms of GDP in USD terms, should the growth potential of North Korea be realised.

FT Alphaville » Blog Archive » North Korea: ‘Buy’

Alo writes: "...what do you think is going to happen to oversight of "healthy" banks when they are lending boatloads to the FDIC?"


I read the post, twice. But I'm old and given to imperfections. That said, I did not notice any remarks about the FDIC borrowing money from Indy Mac. Could you point it to my attention please?

Volker sorry if it wasn't clear - it was the prior post to ths one "Banks to make loans to the FDIC?" that I'm most concerned with - the FDIC mucked it up with Indymac --but at least they investigated it in 2002-- Now, imagine if the FDIC were ont he hook to IndyMac for billions in loans and was tasked with investigating that bank.

Just can't see anything good coming from a government agency becoming dependent on banks it is supposed to investigate. Or governments being on the hook to these banks for hundreds of millions, if not billions, in loans. A bitter pill that the banks that we embattled taxpayers may find ourselves increasingly on the hook to banks who caused the crisis to begin with. Banks that the government promised would be reformed.

Volker - sorry - confusing again -- - -- A bitter pill that we embattled taxpayers may found ourselves increasingly on the hook to banks who caused the crisis to begin with.

Need. More. Coffee.

was it Aristotle who said, "Give me a point and I will control the world."?

I know who said, "Give me control of the money and I care naught for politics." Or words to that effect.

In just a few weeks or months, Wall*Street will be pretty much discredited completely...

Uttering the word "investment", in the future, will be similar to blurting out blasphemous words in a church full of the faithful, you just don't go there.

And America gets a chance to find out there are more things in life, than worshipping the altar of greed and avarice in NYC.

It's all good eventually~

thanks THIRD BRICK
where do they find these guys at GS? check out that graph! they have France outperforming Germany, and look where most of the EU is... GB? good luck with universal healthcare...
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united Korea (I lived in a united Vietnam... ha ha ha, to this very day any good paying job in the South goes to someone from hanoi,
carpet bagging at it's finest... background check? 4th cousin fought in war on losing side... sorry buddy...
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fact: in 2000 there were nearly 1,600 flight att. for Vietnam Airlines (fleet 41 planes)... only 3 were from the south... take that you GS jackasses!!!
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my pick for 2050, all of you 12 year olds who want to invest for the future... Myanmar! or those who like a close shave Burma

A guy
Who drives
The money supply wide open
Is not thinkin'
He's just hopin'
Burma-Shave

Remember that list from Audit Integrity of firms most likely to go bankrupt in the next year?

Macy's Raised To Buy From Hold By Citigroup >M
Last update: 9/22/2009 6:23:20 AM

Which makes sense. Nobody knows insolvency like Citigroup.

Nobody believes the IMF, apparently.

@ this point in the game, the IMF seems more like a boiler-room trying to sell people metric tons of gold. Nice to see them blow so much credibility in one-fell swoop...

the Duke calls the Moon a BUY in 2050:
a) the UN won't be around
b) the international agreement about bodies outside of Earth not flag planting territory becomes null and void (or as De Gaulle once said international agreements are like roses and young girls, they last while they last)
c) renamed Satellite of Love
d) cows, goat and sheep are wiped out by virus leaving moon as only source of cheese

Archimedes.

Give me a big/long enough lever and I will move the world.

My Budget 360

What a coincidence that during this time of a 50 percent consumer absent market rally that the U.S. dollar has fallen 15 percent. Much of this rally is because of a weaker dollar but also, massive injections of liquidity into the banking system. Unable to lend to consumers, many Wall Street casinos have decided it would be a better risk to gamble in stocks than to give out loans to American consumers. In the end, the bailouts were essentially a credit line extension to the biggest gambler in the casino who hit a major losing streak and is expecting to double down through the night to recover the losses. Chasing bad money with good is like seeing empty ships carrying no cargo and expecting that to be a sign of healthy consumer demand.

You tell the world that you are offing 403 tons of gold, and the world laughs at you...

Spidey senses again, JD? or something else?

In just a few weeks or months, Wall*Street will be pretty much discredited completely...

I love Burma Shave. Good one, JD.

Morning........"Got Celestons?"......I had forgotten about those nut-jobs.

There can be no partial redemption, even the good guys on Wall*Street will be caught up in the scandal when it breaks. The scandal?

The biggest con-job in the history of mankind.

Speaking of Gold, China has already gone Public stating that it will Buy all of the IMF gold sale, which is about $33 billion...mere bag of shells for a $2 trillion dollar holder.

Oh and they want a discount...go figure.

Yeah, so what else is new?

But when it does break, I will give you all the credit for foretelling.

What makes me sick the most is all the young men and women fighting for American values.. what values? Banking values?

Soldiers in the battlefield ought to wear corporate logos. Bank of America, Haliburton, etc.

It's a game-changer.

Imagine how afraid people were of Wall*Street in the 1930's?

This is like a factor of 10x that.

Everybody's financial well-being is connected to these clowns-currently, compared to the 20's and 30's, when just a few people dabbled.

Well, you must know something, so I take your word for that. And I have nothing to lose, so I'm popping my corn. I hope it doesn't get stale by then.

It's a game-changer.

JD, do you know something you are not telling, or you think some insider is going to sing?

Time for me to get back on the treadmill of life. See you all, same place, same time, next go-round.

I know the ebb and flow of history, and how an angry mob reacts when it's jilted financially.

It ain't that pretty at all...

good morning
need more Lets take a coffee break
happy first day of fall.

"....Redbook, like ICSC-Goldman, reports mostly disappointment in the Sept. 19 week......"

.....no kidding.........

Dollar flirting with 52-week lows
Last trade 76.124 Change -0.619 (-0.80%)

mr slippery
maybe we arent waiting for the fat lady to sing but for an insider. that might change everything.

Everybody's financial well-being is connected to these clowns-currently, compared to the 20's and 30's, when just a few people dabbled

Not everybody, but far too many to be sure.

Ever wonder why the Fed & banks were pushing CONsumption debt so hard?

What happens is the government worker at the bottom like FFDIC (RIPh) - also known as a "loser who can't succeed in the real world"- sees a problem, but the political appointee at the top (also known as one of those who creates reality rather than merely reacting to it) sees a profit stream. In fact, he foresaw the profit stream well before the loser, and so he got into position to safeguard those profits from the loser "crabs" at the bottom. Those losers are "crabs" not just because they harsh the buzz you got from that last real estate seminar on how to make $80K/yr in your spare time, but because they try to grab hold of any other crab who is trying to escape the pot and drag him back it. But once the loser crabs are neutralized and the alpha crabs are safely out of the pot of shared economic doom, the alpha crabs fire up the gas bbq and laissez faire les bontemps rouler.

Thanks jussumbody for making my day!

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