More on Housing Tax Credit

What is wrong with Connecticut?

The Republicans chose to run a non-entity against Lieberman in 2006. And Dodd is the Banking Chairman. What else do you expect?

Dang it! I've missed my chance to go to my local ACORN office and have them show me how to use the new tax credit to set up a prostitution ring.

Rob Dawg writes:
The legions of motivated directionless angry workers will become the new fiscal infrastructure monkeywrenchers. Expanding foam insulation in the night deposit slot comes to mind.

Jesus christ, it's like you were there at the table listening in. "Monkeywrenching" as protest was exactly the topic of discussion.

CR asks; "What is wrong with Connecticut?"

Trapped between New York City and Massachusetts and you have to ask?

Housing Tax Credit

Housing subsidy paid for by your taxes

"Dang it! I've missed my chance to go to my local ACORN office and have them show me how to use the new tax credit to set up a prostitution ring. "

CSPAN has Senate/Congressional tv almost every day. Very easy to to see how the major pimps do their work.

just stick the tax credit in the 1000 page health bill at the eleventh hour.

FOX is talking up guns and ammo for the angry mob--I believe they will be the cause of an assassination attempt.

Yeah, but I'm not ready to play at that level yet.

and then have Barry Veto it.

-turdblossom

.....damn.....I just figured out what "STFU" means.......I didn't realize you guys were so crass......LOL

Jobs fight:

Education industry & Pet industry

STFU = Stop The Fiscal Unease

A main message of this blog, and a common refrain in internet discourse around the world. It's kind of like PBUH.

"Your argument lacks merit, STFU." = "Your argument lacks merit, stop the fiscal unease."

"I believe they will be the cause"

No Mel, you'll get it yet with extensive instruction. The person holding the weapon will be the cause. Not a network.

If it's only extended, and not expanded, I'll be satisfied. Aint nothing gonna move houses in the 400K and up bracket, though. There are 658 in my sister's suburban Chicago zip code.

Wait...what? (Or, in the vernacular, wait, whut?) I thought Georgia was chock-ful-o-good-old Free-Market, Capitalist, Socialist-hatin' real 'mericuns who won't stand for a communist government takeover of the eCONomy...Isaakson in particular is a rabid cheerleader of this crowd.

BSR - you seem like a nice, perceptive guy, but...damn...eventual master of the obvious Wink

Edit: I certainly have my moments...

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Wait...what? (Or, in the vernacular, wait, whut?) I thought Georgia was chock-ful-o-good-old Free-Market, Capitalist, Socialist-hatin' real 'mericuns who won't stand for a communist government takeover of the eCONomy...Isaakson in particular is a rabid cheerleader of this crowd.
C"

Didn't you get the memo? It's only socialism if it helps the "other" group. When it helps your group it's just the good lord lending a helping hand.

Tax credits along with tax cuts is the epitomy of "Free-Market Capitalism" for these "Socialist-hatin' real 'mericuns ".

They do wonders in any case

....LOL........I don't get out much.......

I like how the White House economic team is still formulating an opinion about the program.

When it helps your group it's just the good lord lending a helping hand.

Aaah...Divine Intervention...now that will sell down in Gee-oww-gee-ah.

I wouldn't be surprised (or unhappy) with announcing a one month extension of the current tax credit to allow homes to close by the end of December - as long as they wait to announce it in early November. But basically the numbers don't make sense for this credit, and it is clearly bad policy.

best to all

"I like how the White House economic team is still formulating an opinion about the program. "

You know that whole thing where you wet your finger and stick it in the air to see which way the wind is blowing?

"I like how the White House economic team is still formulating an opinion about the program."

That's where they poll the most important lobbyists and contributors, right?

@BG - the polling isn't in yet...finger still in the air.

Lets repeat that...................and it is clearly bad policy.

AMEN.........

BSR--Assassination is being advocated--not too subtly--righteous indignation is being fanned--it doesn't take too much for some people to become heroes. "Uppity" Blacks have a serious problem with violent "crackers."

"@BG - the polling isn't in yet...finger still in the air. "

Pull my finger, pull my finger..

Pull my finger, pull my finger..

...but them I'm not going to like the wind that blows...

that whole thing where you wet your finger and stick it in the air to see which way the wind is blowing?

So stick a finger in Volcker and see which way he blows?

Well, this is maybe on topic, from a link posted in the last thread, an interviewer asks Nassim Taleb what the right track would be. He replies:

"My whole idea is to lower risk in society by developing a system that can resist human error, rather than one where human error rules. The first step is to make sure that no financial institution is too big to fail. Next, make sure governments don't favour big companies. Governments should also decrease the role of economists – they're no more reliable than astrologers, and they do more damage."

Ok, I deleted the Barney Frank reference because I am not that evil

Mel

Massive UE will be cause of unrest.

CR

At least there isn't enough support yet to expand the credit to 15k.

Here is why you should pay up, km4.

We are living in uncharted waters in a huge, complex world. Things are going to happen in the years and decades ahead that nobody can fathom. Good things and bad. But economies and people will survive. You picked the wrong number. A million jobs is a small number in a world that will soon have 10 billion people.

Even if you qualify it to the U.S., we will look back in ten years and be able to identify several industries that created 10 million jobs over some time period. You didn't qualify any time period. Nobody can prove for sure what those industries will be.

But the odds are overwhelming that at least one of the industries mentioned by someone on this board will be in that group.

It was just one of those stupid blowhard bets to make.

Sometimes, when people make stupid bets, they kind of slink away in shame.

Other times, they stand up and take it like a Clinton.

Everyone will be working so hard to get people into houses that they just won't have time for financial reform.

"What is wrong with Connecticut?"

Oh please dont get me started. It is somewhere between plastic trophy wives to the beverages sipped starting at 3pm....

.........you know, I had thought that Sen. McCain should have retired a decade ago. Had he been elected President, he would have listened to his advisers quite extensively, as he doesn't exhibit the ability any more to formulate independent thought. Having said that, President Obama is simply dangerous to this country and its people. Anyone who still believes he was a better choice than the old man is unquestionably an idiot and should seek professional counseling.

Ok, I deleted the Barney Frank reference because I am not that evil

Yes, but are you still beating your wife? Wink

ducking & running...

Oh, and Broward: really, dude, come on out of the closet! And hey, ewwww...you must aspire to sexier than Volcker!

Ok, really, d&r....time for another beer!

just stick the tax credit in the 1000 page health bill at the eleventh hour.

Mere 1000 pages? What is that, the Cliff Notes version.

FOX is funneling that UE unrest--and it's racist.

More on moron policy?

I refer the learned colleagues to my comments last night on the gross stupidity that inheres in this total WAFTAM.

C

What's wrong with drinking at 3 pm?

Before the election, my wife and I had a conversation 'what if' there was an assassination. The entire Lincoln/Kennedy vibe Obama tries to instill with everything from his choice in dress to his choice in words and delivery...made me think this man had a Christ complex and was setting himself up for martyrdom. Since the election, I no longer believe that is the case, but the Kennedy/Lincoln stuff still sends chills down my spine. I remain worried about this aspect of the future.

Mel, give me a link that assassination is being advocated!

you must aspire to sexier than Volcker!

I'm working with the material i was given.

FOX is talking up guns and ammo for the angry mob--I believe they will be the cause of an assassination attempt.

I've been reading and hearing a lot of things lately that take me back forty-odd years. The similarities between then and now are genuinely spooky. The same "us" versus "them," the same hatemongering.

Glenn Beck is particularly scary, wishing for people to be killed.

Does it look like providing incentives for people to take on mortgage (when the unemployment is rising) will provide sustained support for the aggregate demand?

Mel writes;
"FOX is funneling that UE unrest--and it's racist. "

Are you going to make me turn it on to see what you're talking about?

@BG - nothing, in my book. Really, any time after you break your first sweat (from work, not the DTs) is OK IMHO.

Besides, it's like 9PM here...

Bond Girl - nothing assuming you have sent someone to collect the 1.98 children and dont have to drive home from the work pit at 5pm

Bond Girl,
"What's wrong with drinking at 3 pm?"

It's always five o'clock somewhere...

Americans Plan to Limit Household Spending, Survey Shows (Version 2)

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By Mike Dorning

Sept. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Americans say they plan to maintain their spending patterns as they are uncertain about the direction of the economy over the next six months. Some Americans were puzzled when asked about which way they thought the wind was blowing for them. Thelma Matthews, when asked, replied "It is an ill wind that blows no good or some such shit."

Only 8 percent of U.S. adults plan to increase household spending, almost one-third will spend less, and 58 percent expect to “stay the course,” according to a Bloomberg News poll. More than 3 in 4 said they were waiting on anther rebate check.

Respondents were divided over whether the economy will get better, stay the same, or just generally fall apart and leave them living under a tree on the next overpass.

mp - thanks for the reply....we are on the same page...

Watch the Daily Show clips of Beck and Hannity--they are inciting dastardly racism--violent racism--historic racism.

I'm starting to worry about your mental health, CR. What's the definition of insanity? Electing the same idiots to government year after year and expecting different results?

Glen Beck was turned down for the job he really wanted and has never been the same since. What job you ask? Towel boy for the Harlem Globetrotters.

Mel - imho Beck is a turd

Nova

What choice do they have?

Huh?

The housing tax credits will never end until they end badly IMHO.

Beck is an instigator. He knows damned well that there are sickos out there who would like to make his dreams come true for him.

Who cares?
It's not like Obama is some great savior from the sky.

Biden up!

Who cares?
It's not like Obama is some great savior from the sky.

Are you ****ing serious?

You can't be serious about that.

broward - Beck reminds me of the kid in the school yard who would stay behind everyone and say "so, ya, what ya going to do 'bout that"...leaving others to fight and mop up the mess

There was a visual communications dude on HuffPo in the weekend opining that "Bury Obamacare" was none-too-subtle death imagery.

C

I've been reading and hearing a lot of things lately that take me back forty-odd years.

mp - ever see a real cross burning? Not a couple 2X4s in a yard and set on fire w/ some lighter fluid done for the benefit of 10PM local news telecast but the real deal... railroad ties with the long ones from bridge beams used as the 'up post'. I only saw the remains the morning after... almost 40 years ago now... western Tennessee halfway between Nashville & Memphis.

Beck is a last gasper.

Biden does not have the abs for the job.

broward--some jokes are inappropriate, disgusting, and literally, revolting.

Nova

What choice do they have but to limit spending? Income are falling faster than prices so far.

You can't be serious about that.

I care about Obama about as much as I did about Bush.
Neither of them are important.
Just placeholder / figureheads for this faction or that faction.

Yeah, president Biden scares me too. Pelosi maybe?

ever see a real cross burning?

No, but I saw them marching once. That was enough for me.

Mel,

Which one - I missed it! Thats why there is a quote feature!

What choice do they have but to limit spending?

Simple - borrow more!

Number-3 TV show behind Rush? Mel, I didn't see anything striking of racism or assasination in that article.......and with 6-fuzzy channels and no satellite or cable I guess I'll just have to miss it.

Nova

What choice do they have but to limit spending? Income are falling faster than prices so far

Go back and read it again Tim. I made it up...

That's getting harder to do. I've got fairly good credit and half of my cards have been canceled. I'm thinking that for anyone in the 60th percentile or below access to consumer credit is probably a serious problem.

--
broward said this--in jest, I thought--hoped

Who cares?
It's not like Obama is some great savior from the sky.

I'm really quite amazed that anyone at this point still defines themselves as Republican or Democrat.

Mel,

Don't worry. Broward knows he is.

Bond Girl, there is a difference between weak and being abusive.

Obama was manufactured by some faction.
That was clear even before the election.
What planet are you guys on?
Jesus.
You can't see the scam with Volcker, you can't figure out that Obama isn't real.
Fucking morons.

You DESERVE what's happening.

The chaps are chafing your ass tonight, eh Broward?

Fucking morons.

You DESERVE what's happening.

Can we hang this sign outside the unemployment and welfare offices?

edit: maybe I took that post out of context

Obama's a charismatic guy and a great machine politician. He was a really skilled community organizer and knows how to use organizations like ACORN to his advantage. I don't think he was manufactured by anyone, but I do think he's a lousy president - on the same level as Herbert Hoover. The republic would survive his loss. That being said, it's not like there is anyone good in the line of succession.

Obama team keeps distance from Carter's charges of racism -- latimes.com

former President Carter said at a town hall meeting that some of it is "based on racism." Carter continued that theme in an NBC-TV interview. "An overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man," Carter said.
Carter added that "racism still exists. And I think it has bubbled up to the surface because of a belief among many white people, not just in the South but around the country, that African Americans are not qualified to lead this great country."
...
Watching the attacks on Obama, some alumnae from President Clinton's administration see familiar themes.
But Paul Begala, a former Clinton advisor, said there was one worrisome difference.
"The undertone of potential violence is stronger now than it ever was before," Begala said. "I don't remember anyone ever bringing a gun to President Clinton's meetings."

You don't wish that on anybody, and you sure as hell don't wish it on your country.

Housing tax credit is definitely terrible policy. Thus, it will likely have bi-partisan support and the blessing of the President.

And, the day it is signed, I will go further long gold.

I can't even listen to political commentary, or news, or clips of politicians talking anymore. So the idea of someone surviving an episode of Glenn Beck is more than my brain can handle.

Found it strange for an anti-Semite to be making statements on racism.

Glen Beck is like a dumber, more extreme and much less funny version of Rush Limbaugh.

I'm really quite amazed that anyone at this point still defines themselves as Republican or Democrat.

Should have checked in last night - about 1AM central... definitely SOME still care about party affiliation. You're a 'nobody' if you don't.

Edit - forgot the [/snark] tag

I'm a registered democrat because in my district the democratic primary matters more than the general election.

I was Pigged!!
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This National Association of Home Builders makes my blood boil

News : Legislation : Builders Fear Slower Housing Market as Tax Credit Fades : HGTVPro.com

Shameless. And very wrong.

What can people do against organizations like this?

Anyone who still believes he was a better choice than the old man is unquestionably an idiot and should seek professional counseling.

This sentence represents among the worst, yet most popular, strains in Internet argument. It says nothing about the question at hand, and, with slight variations, appears in thousands arguments made each day on online forums. We have all seen "Anyone who believes xxxx is clearly retarded/delusional/deranged" enough times for it to be a mark of disgrace on the person saying it. Yet it persists.

Just found some stunning dystopian Washington DC pix on io9 - imagine nova narrating American Apocalypse in the background. Pick a chapter, any chapter...!

Future Washington

There are other cities too if you track back a bit, but this seemed more in keeping with TEOTW meme.

C

Want to bet that these stocks close higher tomorrow :

"Audit Integrity has identified the following companies that have the highest probability of declaring bankruptcy among publicly traded firms with more than $1 billion market capitalizations:

  • Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
  • Amkor Technology, Inc.
  • AMR Corporation
  • Apartment Investment and Management Co.
  • CBS Corporation
  • Continental Airlines, Inc.
  • Federal-Mogul Corporation
  • Hertz Global Holdings, Inc.
  • Interpublic Group of Companies, Inc.
  • Las Vegas Sands Corp.
  • Liberty Media Corporation (Capital)
  • Macy's, Inc.
  • Mylan Inc.
  • Oshkosh Corporation
  • Redwood Trust, Inc.
  • Rite Aid Corporation
  • Sirius XM Radio Inc.
  • Sprint Nextel Corporation
  • Textron Inc.
  • The Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company"

I'm a socialist and I have been soooo lonely since the 1960's

-is extending UE insurance again, again bad bad policy?

CR,.

Any word from your contacts on the likelyhood that an extension of this credit will be extended?

Any organizations, influential/widely read economists opposing this extension?

Thanks!

  • But Paul Begala, a former Clinton advisor, said there was one worrisome difference.
    "The undertone of potential violence is stronger now than it ever was before," Begala said. "I don't remember anyone ever bringing a gun to President Clinton's meetings."*

Clearly Begala doesn't visit the outback of Utah where we bring guns to church. No big deal about having a shootin' iron strapped on. Keeps everyone real polite.

Bond Girl,

It's not the same. The only red I see is deficits. The music still sucks

You need to set your expectations lower, nova.

You need to set your expectations lower, nova.

Any lower and I will start listening to the BeeGees

"The undertone of potential violence is stronger now than it ever was before," Begala said. "I don't remember anyone ever bringing a gun to President Clinton's meetings."

If you enjoy reading Old West history, as I do, you'll recall what happened when Wyatt Earp became marshal in Dodge City, Kansas.

The good folks of Dodge were fed up with having their town shot up by drunken cowboys every time a cattle drive arrived in town. They put out a new rule that went something like this: "Cowboys! Leave your firearms at the city limits or be arrested. Wyatt Earp, Marshal"

Well, Earp expected a challenge and he got one. A drunken cowboy started shooting at Earp with his revolver. Earp lifted his .50 caliber Sharps rifle and dropped him dead.

Moral: Had I been the marshal, the gun toter at the Obama rally would have been escorted out of town. Constitutional rights are one thing, stupidity is another.

Until now, you mean.

Bond Girl - make no mistake these are NOT socialists. It isn't owned by the 'collective'... its owned by Goldman Sachs, JPM & hedgies... a very different animal. If we get real socialism from this you'll know...

Wyatt Earp also carried a 7 inch barrel Peacemaker. When a cowboy refused to hand over his weapons Wyatt would slap him uside the head with that 7 inches of steel and take them

There is no one CT.

There is suburban CT, small-town CT, depressed CT (Hartford, Bridgeport) and rural CT. It's not as East Coast as you think.

Dodd is vulnerable the next time he runs in 2010. Apparently, he gets reamed as a hypocrite in the new Michael Moore movie, which will probably be more mainstream than any other Michael Moore movie.

Michael Moore Takes on Reaganomics and Congressional Democrats in 'Capitalism' - washingtonpost.com

If we get real socialism from this you'll know...

Probably when the executions of bankers exceed 100 will be a good clue

Moral: Had I been the marshal, the gun toter at the Obama rally would have been escorted out of town. Constitutional rights are one thing, stupidity is another.

I'm sure they got a file on him somewhere inside of 'patriot'... if not before they do now... they know where he is, what he eats, color of his s*** - stupid hardly describes it.

Had I been the marshal, the gun toter at the Obama rally would have been escorted out of town. Constitutional rights are one thing, stupidity is another.

Think of this from the point of view of Secret Service, who allows it. Stupidity? Hardly. It has to be political calculus by the White House. They seem to be paranoid not to appear as anti-gun.

HomeGnome,

What a golden era for those who could dance and had the cash for a line instead of a credit line

It was a joke, but what we have now is no less messed up.

Wow...step out for a phone call, and the party gets all heavy.

Corporate Socialism is Fascism.

Brutal Autocratic Regimes are Totalitarianism.

Oligarchies make use of Totalitarian approaches to achieve Fascist ends.

I never thought Shrub was nearly as stupid as he came off...and I have a newfound appreciation for what he was really saying when he met with Putin and felt he was a compadre - that they could do business together. Nothing in this country approaches political Totalitarian behavior (there but for the grace of our strong institutions), either from the right or the left; the right does do a much more effective job of rousing the rabble. How far they can go without invoking revulsion in the 'silent majority' is an open question.

Bond Girl,

Are you British?

Lots of noise not much signal in these comments

Hoopajoops LTD (homepage, profile) wrote on Wed, 9/16/2009 - 6:31 pm

Rob Dawg writes:
The legions of motivated directionless angry workers will become the new fiscal infrastructure monkeywrenchers. Expanding foam insulation in the night deposit slot comes to mind.

Jesus christ, it's like you were there at the table listening in. "Monkeywrenching" as protest was exactly the topic of discussion.

I've got lots of good ideas. Most are even mostly legal. First we need to print up millions of ultrasticky labels. Enough so it looks organized and traceability gets muddled. The Alice's Restaurant Approach.

Lots of noise not much signal in these comments

That would be me. Sorry.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters today that President Barack Obama’s economic team is looking at the tax credit and “evaluating the impact” on new home sales.

Well they only have to look at Calculated Risk to see the impact and they don't even need a calculator. CR do you think you could make it any easier like creating a Seasame Street like Youtube video, maybe put in a funny cat or two. I hear the administration really likes youtube videos.

Clearly Begala doesn't visit the outback of Utah where we bring guns to church. No big deal about having a shootin' iron strapped on. Keeps everyone real polite.

I don't use weapons as statements and don't know anyone who does.

If anyone ever sees me carrying a weapon, I won't be polite.

I think they mean 'political impact'...

Most are even mostly legal.

A lot of our purely theoretical discussions about economic disruptions ran along those lines. I brought up the rampant counterfeiting in south american economies of the US notes. One of my friends who is a skilled graphic designer wondered about printing bogus $5 and $10 bills by the hundreds and distributing them around a single small town in conspicuous places as "lost" currency to undermine the system, or to even provide a small local "stimulus" boost. I accused him of being a mini federal reserve.

The Alice's Restaurant Approach.

Sadly, I'm probably the only person here under 60 who gets the ref, Dawg. I'm in my 30s.

The subtlety of Mr. Guthrie's 18 minute masterpiece would be lost on the young'uns of today. That's a whole Daily Show episode for chrissakes (sans commercials).

Sadly, I'm probably the only person here under 60 who gets the ref, Dawg. I'm in my 30s.

Cut off is more like 50 but we get your drift.

Yup.

Explains the proper handling of garbage.

This thread reminds me of the Group W bench.

NW

Oh well. The serial doom novel continues. The grid is down. People are hungry. It is a perilous time. Even for our heros.

A sample:

The woods had been relatively free of people. I think it was for a number of reasons. The main one being these were not woods people for the most part. The woods were scary to them. A place to get lost. A place where bears, snakes, and maybe even worse monsters dwelt. They also were not equipped for it. They were urban dwellers looking for a civilized place to retreat too. A place where you could take a crap and flush afterward. A place where you had walls, kitchens and restaurants. If they were going to go camping it better have a level site they could park next to. They were me when I first became homeless, and I knew firsthand what an adjustment it was. Not even living as one of the Car People prepared you for what was coming.

A site:

American Apocalypse

If anyone ever sees me carrying a weapon, I won't be polite.

Frankly, I'd prefer that you shoot me rather than rip my throat out with your(or Conjure's) teeth.

Now I'm just wondering if the $8k will still be around when I go to buy a house in 5 years or so..

"We can't let it expire now! It's been so good for sales!"
"We can't let it expire now! Sales are tanking, and they'll be even worse without this!"
...

HomeGnome (homepage, profile) wrote on Wed, 9/16/2009 - 7:38 pm

YouTube - Arlo Guthrie/Alice's Restaurant
So is this worth my 18 minute investment of time?

More of a cultural imperative.

It's been noted that many commenting here are on strike, refusing to participate in certain aspects of the economy until there's a level field, transparency and honest refs. There really does exist here in the country the founding fathers saw and exploited. Consent of the governed is being tested sorely and like all the other recent stressed aspects of society this one does not have an elegant failure mode.

I remember once when I drunk and young (19) 2 MP's asked me "You have any weapons on you?" My reply "Just these hands." They handcuffed my weapons behind my back. Tossed me in a van. Then they would race down a street, brake hard, and laugh their asses off as I slid hard into the cage.

BEWARE OF THE CHIPMUNK

The Chipmunk ate the damned cat's lunch today.

Can you believe that?

I've still got the trap out, and have baited it with cat food, which I now know he enjoys, but the situation is about to escalate.

HomeGnome (homepage, profile) wrote on Wed, 9/16/2009 - 7:48 pm
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BEWARE OF THE CHIPMUNK

If that chipmunk was still around in my house 48 hours later I'd be calling it the shitmunk.

Chipmunks are like bank failures. There's no such thing as just one.

Do you have a pet chipmunk?

Only after you have eaten all the squirrels

Do you have a pet chipmunk?

Sorry, Bond Girl, I'm not going there. I am not, so to say, going to "take the bait."

Let someone else tell the story.

Hey mp, maybe it is pregnant.

Lots of noise not much signal in these comments

It's true, but there truly isn't much direction right now. There's no shortage of news and analysis being passed through these comments through the course of a day, but since it often appears so contradictory it's difficult to synthesize into a general thesis. I know for myself that I'm having a difficult time arriving at a cohesive thesis given the data presented, and at a certain point that becomes a bit wearing.

I find I generally fall back on old explanations and constructs that have served well in the past, but we really are through the looking glass here. I, personally, don't have a construct that incorporates the current structural instability and moral hazard introduced since the fall of 2008. Without accounting for that, I know that I'm going to have a very hard time arriving at a picture of the next few years.

I think difficulties like this explain some of the noise in these comments.

Who cares?
It's not like Obama is some great savior from the sky.
- BH

Broward is froward.

yestereve, mp's cat drug it in... and lost interest so the little scamp has been jitterbugging around Heimat even after mp secured a Havahart trap (as live trap was the standard set by the better half)... so the hunt contiues...
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close?

Hey mp, maybe it is pregnant.

Are you related to my wife?

Your deeply felt concern for Chipmunk is beginning to sound like my wife's.

Ssshhh. Don't let Mrs. mp hear you talk like that - she might get the wrong idea about what mp has been up to lately.

Just because you had sheep when you were younger doesn't make it normal.

And with that
Nytol

last night as I was helpless with laughter in front of my computer my five year old asked me what was so funny...

Concern? You don't get it, soon you are going to have more chipmunks running around. Soon your place will be overrun, infested even. You will open a drawer to get socks and get little fuzzys. You are doomed. Call in an airstrike or run. It's over . Dien ben phiu and you are the French.

Ah. Having a cat is just asking for trouble.

Do we have the wit and the wisdom to restore an environment of price stability without impairing
economic stability? Should we fail, I fear the distortions and uncertainty generated by inflation
itself will greatly extend and exaggerate the sense of malaise and caution . . . Should we succeed,
I believe the stage will have been set for a new long period of prosperity.1
—Paul Volcker

The Reform of October 1979: How It Happened and Why
http://research.stlouisfed.org/conferences/smallconf/lindsey.pdf

I have visions of mp stalking the chipmunk like Elmer Fudd going after Bugs Bunny.

"Shhh. Be wery, wery quiet. I am chipmunk hunting"

close?

Nope. I spotted him a couple of times. Son of mp saw him having a go at the cat's lunch.

I've got other problems I've got to deal with tomorrow but, if the cagey little creature isn't gone by Friday at 0800, Operation Chipmunk will launch automatically.

There will be nothing Chipmunk can do to stop it.

It will be glorious.

There will be nothing Chipmunk can do to stop it.

It will be glorious.

It will be Algeria, VietNam, East St Louis. They have a bridgehead and once a "munk" gets one you are toast.

I've got other problems I've got to deal with tomorrow but, if the cagey little creature isn't gone by Friday at 0800, Operation Chipmunk will launch automatically.

There will be nothing Chipmunk can do to stop it.

It will be glorious.

mp will be firing up the generator and running some wire

YouTube - Zapped Squirrel

Now I really must go Nytol

Not buying health insurance is a bargain. You only get fined a thousand or so. If you don't buy a house you get fined $8000.

"It will be glorious"

Praise to our fearless leader Comrade Mp and praise to the glorious revolution!

They have a bridgehead and once a "munk" gets one you are toast.

They will be met at the beaches and thrown back into the sea, river, stream, whatever.

I refuse to concede to a damned Chipmunk.

I'm not sure I would have been able to sleep knowing that a chipmunk was running free in my house.

FYI: The Federal Reserve's Beige Book: A better mirror than crystal ball
The Federal Reserve's Beige Book: A better mirror than crystal ball - The Region - Publications & Papers | The Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis

The Red Book became public in 1983 following a request by the long-time delegate to the U.S. House of Representatives for the District of Columbia, Walter E. Fauntroy. Actually, what Fauntroy requested was that the Green Book—which contains the Fed's national models and economic forecasts—be made public. However, the Board deemed this unwise and the Red Book was offered in its place. To mark the change, the color red was dropped and beige—it was for a time also called the Tan Book—adorned the new cover. The text of the new document was little changed, although care was taken to delete any references to specific businesses or names; Board staff also began to review the Beige Book prior to its release to the public and to Fauntroy's House subcommittee.

yogi: yesterday, you said that there has been no female african-american senator. Carol Moseley Braun?

Re: "I'm not sure I would have been able to sleep knowing that a chipmunk was running free in my house."

IMHO, mp needs to run around naked and chill out, thus using this illusion as a means to attract the critter and hence take the party outside...

Do we have the wit and the wisdom to restore an environment of price stability without impairing
economic stability? Should we fail, I fear the distortions and uncertainty generated by inflation
itself will greatly extend and exaggerate the sense of malaise and caution . . . Should we succeed,
I believe the stage will have been set for a new long period of prosperity.1
—Paul Volcker

I had the privilege of sitting next to Mr. Volker at a conference the summer before last, and even at his advanced age he remains a physically impressive man. I'm no shrimp, but even at 82 he's still a couple of inches above me (although I think he's lost a couple of inches from his 6'7" peak).

I'm not predisposed to being infatuated by someone simply because they're famous, but I got starry-eyed with Volker the first time I saw him.

He's such a class act. He came and sat next to me at a session, near the back in an ordinary chair, to listen to a local speaker discuss some economic issue of minor importance--agricultural commodity forecasts or something. The organizers quickly scrambled to bring a big cushy chair in for the old man, but he gave them the most wicked glare I ever witnessed and seemed genuinely embarrassed to be given the attention. He completely ignored the chair and refused any sort of special treatment.

It's too bad he doesn't have the stamina for 18 hour days of running between meetings anymore, as we could surely use a straight talker or two these days.

I'm not sure I would have been able to sleep knowing that a chipmunk was running free in my house

Yes, 3 days ago CNN had an article on how a flock of chipmunks had invaded a town and terrorized people. The hospital was overrun by people missing fingers or the tip of their nose. It was ugly

I'm not sure I would have been able to sleep knowing that a chipmunk was running free in my house.

My wife can't sleep if there's a spider in our room. If there was a chipmunk we'd be spending the night in a hotel.

Bond Girl (profile) wrote on Wed, 9/16/2009 - 8:08 pm
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I'm not sure I would have been able to sleep knowing that a chipmunk was running free in my house.

I had a field mouse crawling around in my bed one very cold night years ago.

Another time our cat jumped on my stomach while I was falling asleep. The only problem is the door was closed and I didn't realize the cat was in the room. The fright aged me instantly.

Yes, 3 days ago CNN had an article on how a flock of chipmunks had invaded a town and terrorized people. The hospital was overrun by people missing fingers or the tip of their nose. It was ugly

Nice try, but won't work.

I think Nova just shortened the poor thing's life.

noob,

That must have been an honor!

I was just thinking about his view on inflation and that his statement would be nice, if the term collusion, or fraud, or something related to the systemic collapse would be on target:
(Should we fail, I fear the distortions and uncertainty generated by fed collusion
itself will greatly extend and exaggerate the sense of malaise and caution)

Nah, maybe a Greenspanian utterance like Irrational exuberance fits in there?

If wife of mp can have a pet kitty, why can't kitty of wife of mp have a pet chipmunk?

Nope. I spotted him a couple of times. Son of mp saw him having a go at the cat's lunch.

Your cat must be a slacker mp - mine would have scooped the thing up and run off into the basement to 'play'... later my wife would find a half eaten rodent in the shower with blood smeared all over. Cat always eats them from the head end first - they seem to like the combination of crunchy skull and and juicy brains the best.

We are at that time of year where the rodents [field mice & chipmunks] start testing cracks & crevasses in the stone foundation - looking for ways to get in to nest for the winter... cat knows where they all are and just waits & feasts. Saw him downstairs staking them out earlier tonight.

Time to tell you cat to get off his ass and produce!

Nice try, but won't work.

I will get the link. What was really gross was the cases of the fuzzy creatures crawling into peoples mouth who were sleeping with them open. Some were quoted in the link about what it did to their breath. Of course thay had to write it as their tongues were gnawed off

I wonder if you can train a chipmunk to use a litter box.

I wonder if you can train a chipmunk to use a litter box.

No, but they will use a straw when drinking if raised properly

Oops, there was Senator Moseley-Brown, correct.

Wooden Ships was an Airplane classic, go ask Alice. And I'm not yet 50.

Dr. Paul does not regard Greenspan as the smartest of the Fed Chairmen he met. "I had the most interaction with [Paul] Volcker. He was more personable and smarter than the others, including the more recent board chairmen Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke" (p.48).
Ron Paul's Battle for Financial Sanity :: The Market Oracle :: Financial Markets Analysis & Forecasting Free Website In glod we trust

Time to tell you cat to get off his ass and produce!

My wife has two cats and both of them are slackers. The older cat brings mice into the house and hugs them to death. The younger one, the guilty party in this case, likes to bat them around and play with them.

A couple of useless eaters.

Glen Beck has footage of a group of chipmunks trying to arrange transport for some human trafficking. I think they called themselves acorn or something...

But what would Hunter Thompson have done?

Answer that and I think we've got the whole thing sorted.

C

No, but they will use a straw when drinking if raised properly

Is that so they don't drown in the toilet? Sounds like good training.

I was just thinking about his view on inflation and that his statement would be nice, if the term collusion, or fraud, or something related to the systemic collapse would be on target:
(Should we fail, I fear the distortions and uncertainty generated by fed collusion
itself will greatly extend and exaggerate the sense of malaise and caution)

I appreciate that quote. I think the thing that impressed me was not his fame or size, but in how he approached the times we were in. This was during the summer of 2008, before the fall fannie mae and freddie mac, but after the collapse of bear sterns. Instead of setting out some prescribed path, the bulk of his speech was on identifying the information that was missing, recognizing that our current models don't really account for any of this, and--in all fairness--identifying his own personal shortcomings in dealing with the times we were in.

Honestly, it was a breath of fresh air to hear someone who had once been in the inner circle discussing the opacity and paucity of information available to the discussion.

up thread several were speculating whether or not fox news personalities were beating the drum against obama hoping to motivate mass popular uprising or possibly even insurrection or violence

then a poster said "obama is dangerous to this country and people', or 'dangerous to the republic" or is a" communist or socialist"

that is the very kind of statement that fox people want repeated and agreed to

kennedy agreed to remove us missiles in turkey pointed at russia and refused to invade cuba
some thought he was dangerous to the country

johnson committed almost 700 thousand troupes to vietnam and spent the treasury dry with guns and butter
some though he was dangerous

nixon instituted price controls and wanted to drop nukes on vietnam a russian client state which could have ignited ww3...some thought nixon was dangerous to the country

ford made a dieing declaration contained in his biography that the government hid evidence of the kennedy assassination and of course ford was a leader in that regard (hiding the evedence)...some think ford was dangerous to the country

carter tried to be more progressive than even his own party, and was seen as weak because he wanted to negotiate instead of fight and wear a sweater while funding alternative energy ...some thought carter was dangerous for the country

reagan ran against carter pushing deregulation and decrying the national debt which was at 750 billion when reagan took office and more than doubled by the time reagan left having built a 500 ship navy etc...some thought reagan was dangerous

george bush was a cia director and probably a spook much of his life and some people thought it was dangerous to have an ex spy as president

clinton was a young inexperienced leader (and an experienced playboy) who recognized gay rights and tried to negotiate deals between arabs and Israelis some thought clinton was dangerous to the country

some believe bush 2 did not respond sufficiently to warnings in his daily briefing and from prominent sources that an attack was imminent and then launched a war of choice against a tyrant that had nothing to do with the 911 attack...some thought bush 2 was dangerous to the country

and on and on

fight the political fight all you want.disagree with this president all you want (my feelings about obama are mixed some good some bad)

but leave the crazy talk about the president to fox news and the wing nuts, because hatred and fear and name calling fester and with enough hatred and fear violence will erupt

im old and seen too much of it so everybody please keep it constructive

Wooden Ships was an Airplane classic, go ask Alice. And I'm not yet 50.

OMG, yogi, I can tell you're not 50. Obviously, you missed my post of it a few days ago in connection with the U.S. submariners who raised a fund for the widows and orphans of Soviet submariners after Russia cut off their benefits. It's a CSN song. The Jefferson Airplane was just a cover. However, the lyrics are worth repeating:

YouTube - Jefferson Airplane - Wooden Ships

I can't thing of anything more important, when one is done with war, than to make peace with one's enemies.

I heard that chipmunks believe in peak oil, ground squirrels dream about mass transit, and gophers like high density dwellings. Not to stir anyone's animosities or anything.

noob,

I see a generational change in the air, and being a person that has difficulty with the anxiety associated with change, the new new change and the change which Obama tapped into (like a pied piper) is not a change for the better, just change. The majority of kids I see today are all attention deficit, but many are very bright and have hope for the future, which is great -- however, the old timers like Volker set the benchmarks! It is sad to see the distortion in place today with our leadership and I guess all one can do is join the kids and have hope that change will come about....

im old and seen too much of it so everybody please keep it constructive

will do, mock.

googled it, Paul Kantner was one of the writers with Crosby and Stills. So JA's got a right to it.

I'm not predisposed to being infatuated by someone simply because they're famous, but I got starry-eyed with Volker the first time I saw him.

I am, in general anti-Central banker, but I have great respect for Paul Volcker.

He seems to be a lonely voice of sanity in the financial Cuckoo's Nest.

Didn't want to start the "which is better" argument CSN&Y version or Jefferson Airplane/Starship version so I linked a cover.

NW

mock,

Great rant. The stuff that the right wingnuts say during a Dem presidency isn't any different than what the left wingnuts say during a Rep presidency. Everyone remember "Death of a President"?

I got starry-eyed with Volker the first time I saw him.

Starry-eyed?

Here's what gets me all starry-eyed:

YouTube - Helene Grimaud Chaconne in D minor -1-

I respect Volcker, but I don't get all starry-eyed.

No, nothing in that link supports your wild accusation.

Luckily, out host has graciously provided us the ability to not have to listen to your baseless drivel.

Into the bit bucket you go.

mock turtle,

There was a lengthy discussion here a couple nights ago, perhaps last night, about how this is an economics blog and politics is not to be mentioned unless absolutely necessary to make a point.

What I took from that discussion, among resolving myself to speak more about policy and less about raw politics, was that it was okay for self-styled conservatives to bash liberals, but it was never okay to bash conservatives as being Republicans who will uniformly vote unanimously against anything a Democratic President or Congress tries to accomplish, even though that is precisely what they do, because they do it out of their conviction and not out of politics.

It was an interesting exercise in hypocrisy, . . . but then, they do that so well.

They even convinced a lot of people (though less than the majority) to vote for George Bush. That's a testament to how well they do what they do.

It's not really about politics, is it?

John Stewart is on Obama's case about Wall St visit--if you're not on eastern time, watch at least the first 10 minutes.

it was actually a crosby tune which he was shopping around before CSN came together.

if I ever get to make a jim jones movie, i hope to have it prominently featured. i can't think of a better song to capture that unique combination of idealism and escapism.

very well spoken, mock. I am curious, though, as to why you did not attribute the statements you quoted to their authors? Like this:

  • President Obama is simply dangerous to this country and its people. - BSR

Doc - you might like this. A little tune to lead into end of the week trading and quad witching... Is a Chinese Burn coming?

YouTube - Curve - Chinese Burn

Video looks like places I know in Mongkok.

C

mp, you may have better luck putting the cat food bait under the "plate" in the trap rather than on top if it. That way the chipmunk will have to squeeze his head under it to get to the bait. It's much more likely to trip the doors.

AB: 9 squirrels relocated so far this year.

Nytol

The majority of kids I see today are all attention deficit, but many are very bright and have hope for the future, which is great -- however, the old timers like Volker set the benchmarks! It is sad to see the distortion in place today with our leadership and I guess all one can do is join the kids and have hope that change will come about....

Most of my day is involved in politics these days, Doc, and the one thing that I've noticed (bearing in mind that I'm a member of the younger generation) is that political discourse has become fabricated to such an extent as to become almost meaningless. This is nothing new, of course, as there have always been PR communications majors spinning every subject for a politician, but it appears that the inmates have taken control of the asylum. A communications person should be a member of a politicians team, but they should be given equal weight to a strong staff policy analyst. What I'm seeing for many politicians is that their analyst often is a communications or public affairs grad as well, and has little education in actually working through the nuts and bolts of a policy. The entire staff is often simply a group of public affairs and communications officers, which is why everything coming out of most political offices these days is nothing but generic tripe with no substantial innovative policy.

My desire is that this current generation, at some point, escapes this trap of banality and latches on a politician who is real and surrounds themselves with practical sage advice. It's probably a fool's hope.

It was a horribly bad joke. (chipmunks + acorn)

apologies to those offended.

Great rant. The stuff that the right wingnuts say during a Dem presidency isn't any different than what the left wingnuts say during a Rep presidency. Everyone remember "The Death of a President"?

Except we have damn few leftie nutters left [pun not intended]... you may say 'Oh yes we do!' but we don't - not like the leftie nutters we had in the 60s & 70s [weatherman, sds, symbianese, panthers - etc.]. We got some rightie nutters that nutty right now in the Beck camp [more puns - how fun] but the lefties were almost all either crushed or co-opted - I vote most were co-opted.

If we get your depression you'll get real lefties again - maybe even real communists - you'll then see what I mean. Today's crop of left aren't even good seed stock for what will come. That is IF we see real hardship.

thanks mp

actually your comments were ok by me...some 2nd amend humor and not aimed at any one person

it was other comments

i am truly fearful about some of the suggestive signs i saw in pictures carried in DC this past weekend

and suggestive things said on national television

i cried when kennedy was shot...i cried when reagan was shot...for me its not about politics

i know 99% of the posters here dont want violence, and we all talk some shit in fun.... but in this climate we have to be careful not to toss a match in a tinder dry heap

again, mp thanks for your re and i wasnt aiming at you

AB: 9 squirrels relocated so far this year.
Or maybe one relocated nine times.

It is immoral to finance US health care and housing with borrowed money from the Chinese and others, most of whose citizens are impoverished and poorer by a factor 10 compared to US. It also does not make financial sense to subsidize housing as CR pointed out. All it accomplishes is that it inflates house prices by 30-40K$.

Great rant. The stuff that the right wingnuts say during a Dem presidency isn't any different than what the left wingnuts say during a Rep presidency.

False Statement, TJ and the Bear, more of the Republican bullshit machine.

Democrats overwhelming supported President Bush's request for authority to use combat troops "as a last resort."

Democrats in general support Republican Executives. Republicans not only never support Democratic Executives, but uniformly side with their gang and give no support, while obstructing and lying about what they are doing.

Tell me again how this is an economics blog and politics has no place because Democrats are as unpatriotic during a Republican Presidency as Republicans are during a Democratic Presidency?

It's false. It's just part of The Big Lie.

......."but leave the crazy talk about the president to fox news and the wing nuts"

....I don't watch Fox news, so I'm curious. What is a "Fox People" (as in "fox people want repeated and agreed to)....is that a conspiracy of some kind?

Also, all the "snippets" of history I partook of. Never have we had a President that has wanted to change the fabric of America as has this one. No crazy talk, no talk of violence - he does not have the same vision of America as do most of us, plain and simple. You can wish all you want, but the ones who DON'T see this are guilty of dishonesty or ignorance? Dishonesty is not admitting that the crimes that have occurred on Wall Street have been allowed to occur by TWO administrations now. Bush seemed to be an outright idiot. President Obama seems to be allowing it intentionally. In my mind, there is no excuse for that and in IMHO, that road is dangerous for the fabric and people of America - especially the children who will pay for this.

I suppose it would be, if FRNs were money.

riddler, why do you hate America so much?

Or do you just hate having a black man as President?

Counterpointer,

I actually changed the original video to a more mellow thing; I'm trying to tone it down a bit, but as I listen to yours, it reminds me of something; maybe a little like that chick from Canada: check it, they ripped her off: YouTube -

False Statement, TJ and the Bear, more of the Republican bullshit machine.

Bullshit, sportsfan, you're just so far to the left you can't see it any other way. Again, I voted for Obama (and Feinstein, and Boxer, among others) and I see the sins of both sides.

Here's what gets me all starry-eyed:

I should have put that into context, mp. My current employment often has me in contact with people who are in the public eye, and one quickly develops a bit of an immunity after a while. In terms of meeting public officers, Volker is one of the few who drew out that kind of response, whereas normally I studiously avoid that sort of personage and seek out their staff members, who are much more valuable to me anyway. It's not like I developed a giant man-crush on him.

It was a slightly-smaller-than-giant man-crush.

Or maybe one relocated nine times.

You have to move them a long way away to be sure they aren't coming back in the same hole - for us the cat takes care of it.

Also - this late in the year [could have frost this weekend] relocating them away from their winter stash is more cruel than just killing them now - instead of a quick death now they will starve then freeze to death without their stash and it is too late in many cases for them to get enough together... well that is unless you place them near somebodies bird feeder [like ours - the squirrels get so fat off the sunflower seeds & cracked corn they can hardly climb back up the trees].

change the fabric ?

No idea what that means or where the evidence is. Liberals are sick of Obama's talk and want action.

Putting bank fraud perpetrators in jail would be change.

why you did not attribute the statements you quoted to their authors? Like this:

* President Obama is simply dangerous to this country and its people. - BSR </i>

I don't know why he didn't, but BSR, while a doctrinaire conservative, also said, during that conversation I referenced, that most people cannot be so easily labeled and put in a box.

His views on policy are different than barfly's or mine, but he thinks for himself. That's the first step.

People who actually listen to Glen Beck long ago stopped thinking for themselves.

Bach is an excellent choice, but I prefer Scarlatti.

Anything Baroque for me.

BSR, if you are indeed out of the Fox loop, spend a little time here

Or maybe one relocated nine times.

Nope, sdtfs. Relocation wasn't a euphemism for discreet termination away from Mrs.B's glare. They were transported several miles away to the woods next to the supermarket. There haven't been any seen here in a couple of months.

busoni also made that one into a bit more of a dirge than bach probably intended

Anything Baroque for me.

Hey, I don't care what she plays.

Doc, another of my favorite women, Martha Argerich, studied with Rostropovich.

"Or maybe one relocated nine times."

pure racism. All chipmunks look the same to you? (:

Bush seemed to be an outright idiot. President Obama seems to be allowing it intentionally.

Obama is not doing it out of idiocy, that much is clear. He thus bears more responsibility for his decisions than did Bush, who was easily duped by "free market" influences.

As with yogi, I attack Obama from the left and I don't like what he has done for the bankers, but I honestly believe he has done that because he believed it was necessary to secure the construct of the U.S. economy.

As I mentioned once to Basel Too, I actually don't criticize Paulson so much for September '08 because what he did was radically different than what I would have expected from him, his background and his lifestyle. It was so radically different that I think he really did perceive a serious, immediate threat to the viability of the economy.

Doc - LOL! They might have had it not been done over 10 years earlier...

There's mellower stuff too if yr interested in hunting around the tubes for it.

C

Counterpointer,

Now I'm really confused! Did Bif steal that?

looks like i'll be buying calls again, tomorrow Smile

Insurance regulators looking at decreasing use of rating agencies in capital guidelines
Regulators of Big Bond Buyers Challenge the Raters - WSJ.com 

**Bullshit, sportsfan, you're just so far to the left you can't see it any other way. *
*
Not true. I love being a self-styled liberal, since others thought that was a term of derision, but in reality I have some rather conservative views.

My point is simple. I have live through a lot of Presidents. Nixon, Reagan and Bush the Lesser all shit on the Constitution. Ford was a caretaker and I actually liked Bush the Elder.

I never believed that the Red Threat was ever any problem to Americans. Communism was never an option. Fascism is always right around the corner and my experience shows clearly that Republicans embrace fascism.

They have no respect at all for the individual or individual rights, with the sole exception of the right to bear arms, which I don't need them for, it's already in the Second Amendment.

And I certainly don't need their religious bullshit, though they drag that out all the time.

Because I also would die for the First Amendment, though I doubt they would.

It is immoral to finance US health care and housing with borrowed money from the Chinese and others, most of whose citizens are impoverished and poorer by a factor 10 compared to US.

Immoral? I do not think this word means what you think it means.

I can't thing of anything more important, when one is done with war, than to make peace with one's enemies.

Hear that, mp? You and little Thelonius are gonna have to make pax.

Either that, or stop putting out cat food. Cats get hungry, cats hunt.

Either that, or stop putting out cat food. Cats get hungry, cats hunt.

The corollary: Cats get hungry, cats shred drapes and eat plants.

".......if you are indeed out of the Fox loop"???

barfly, I wouldn't watch Fox if I could. The website you linked to though causes pause, just because of its single direction headlines.

Last week we had Sen. Harry Reid stop by town for a visit. Instead of going to the only building in town that could handle the citizens (who btw were waiting for him - many with pickets), He went around the block, snuck into an old non-used town building, handed a few people awards (for a photo shoot), and minutes later blew town and didn't say a single word to the hundreds waiting. This in my mind is reprehensible - REGARDLESS what party he's from - he's an elected official! The Washingtonians are an elitist selfish deceitful arrogant bunch of hypocrits that wouldn't know self-sacrifice if it crawled up their ass and died.

....I'm an equal-opportunity rantor - btw, today was a momentous occasion - this was the first time a successful recall has been undertaken in Nye County. One of our County Commissioners has to face a special election in October for also being a hypocritical idiot. We'll vote him out in October.

...stop putting out cat food. Cats get hungry, cats hunt.

I told my wife those exact words.

"Oh, the poor cats," she said.

No, the clock is ticking on Operation Chipmunk.

He won't know what him.

Doc -steal is such a loaded word. Musicians generally refer to influences, and if waterboarded, "appropriated" might be about as close as they get to a full admission. Contrition, never! Curve were around in the early 90s.

And in economic news, Asian equities hit 1-year high. MXAP aggregate over the Sept 8 2008 mark. Almost all exchanges absolutely roaring, in direction, if not volume.

Asian Stocks Rise to One-Year High as Investors Bet on Recovery - Bloomberg.com

USD has come back against the Yen, now 91.01. Regional carry/commodity currencies also on the up. No read on bonds as my system seems scerwy.

All good. Fancy that, so soon after BB said those nice things.

C

BSR, I linked that site to give you a chance to hear these people speak in their own words, a lot of which sound like your words, to my ear.

i chose not to single out any individual

btw there were several even tho i grabbed only a couple of quotes as examples

look, i got a fair amount of respect for my "conservative' friends here...dont always agree but theres no need to insult and road block the communication

obama has done several things that i agree with and two in particular that i believve are terrible policy moves for the country

but the idea that hes way out of the mainstream huh

he won the popular vote, and advertised clearly in his campaign what he was about

5 presidents going back to truman have tied to put together national healthcare...hardly a communist plot

obama hasnt raised taxes on the middle class, in fact most people under 100k are getting more back than ever

we are looking at annual 1 to 2 trillion dollar deficits but overwhelmingly that revenue shortfall is due to the financial crisis not big spending on any obama programs

people rant about the health care bill costing a trillion over 10 years... WTF, since when did we start costing out programs over a decade??? how much are we spending in afghansistan and iraq over 10 years...more than 10 times the health care bill and and thats on top of the regular military spending and vet benefits (and they more than earned em too) of over 1 trillion annually

so wrong as he might be on several issues...obama is not some politacal alien form outerspace... as everyone expected, hes a liberal dem except hes starting to look like a war hawk and of course a suck up to the banking oligarchy...wow thats new

The Washingtonians are an elitist selfish deceitful arrogant bunch of hypocrits that wouldn't know self-sacrifice if it crawled up their ass and died.

See . . . BSR and I agree about some really important things, like, for example, the power elite who work for the financial elite and not for us.

barfly, BTW, you did a yeoman's job defending your principles. I was just too tired to do more than read a little and go to sleep.

A GUT theory on what is happening and why? Many good thinkers post here. I'd enjoy reading what they think in the abstract.

My shot at it.

Corporate Darwinism resulting from the culmination of a money first society failing with a blowback from the religious among us being force fed 10 years of the end is nigh. The end of the world is comforting and when the events seem to support beliefs with minimal tweaking you have ....disharmony then dissolution ?

The issue is we are downsizing our dissatisfaction to smaller and smaller groups while losing sight of the systemic quality of our dysfunction.

Good times were had by all, the hangover was a killer.

Tough reading posters I've respected for the last couple years spewing vitriol with little provocation. I think we are better than that. If we make the effort. Myself included.

Insurance regulators looking at decreasing use of rating agencies in capital guidelines
Regulators of Big Bond Buyers Challenge the Raters - WSJ.com

Interesting note, bondgirl but did you catch what the state regulators were planning on replacing the ratings agencies with? I'll readily admit that I didn't go through it with a fine-toothed comb as it's getting late and I need to stay awake for a few minutes to finish something yet. Rating systems for insurance is something that needs to be chewed on before lunch, not near midnight Smile

I want to start a new poll. There seems to be growing consensus here that the scrod is going to hit the fan within two years. So my poll, which shall be known as the Thelonius C. Munk Poll, is how many months of calm we have before the coming storm. Any takers?

i can't wait for september auto sales numbers.

Yes, Doc Holiday. LIke that.

edit: though the original harpsichord is better than piano.

woah, ken. i'm slow. nice improvements to the site!

They will do what ever needs to be done to get us through the holidays. I say it all goes down in Feb.

5 months

ok, my work got halted by an angry teammate and the deficiencies of vss (what a pos). i'm going to go watch some hgtv.

Nytol

Makes sense.

The American Rapture has been postponed.

We return to regular programming of the American Ream.

C

/nytol

Sportsfan it is heartening to hear that from you. Being an old Marine (Marines are never ex-Marines, btw), I always gave elder Bush the benefit of the doubt in his Presidency. After the "Read My Lips, No New Taxes" renege, I thought he was a turncoat as well. I've heard quotes from Putin, even as big a thug as HE is, engendered admiration on rare instances.

Thanks, Sportsfan. It's easy to do when you know where you stand.

Thelonius C. Munk Poll - How many months until the scrod hits the fan? (This refers to the economy, not the mp household.)

0 - 1 currency now -yogi
5 - josap
2 - Feckless Ness
14 - dryfly

Any more takers?

btw, thnx, barfly for the link -I'll peruse it when I have an fresh head.

  • . . . hes a liberal dem except hes starting to look like a war hawk . . .
  • mock, Obama is NOT a liberal Dem. He never was and never will be. I think John Edwards was the only liberal in the Dem pool for 2008. Turns out he would have been a disaster and that had nothing to do with his policies.

mock, again, Obama is NOT a warhawk. He clearly said throughout the campaign that the war in Afghanistan was underfunded and ignored by the Bush Administration because of their preoccupation with Iraq. That was completely true and what the general officers had also been saying (after they retired or before Gates took over).

I am in total support of the actions going on in Afghanistan and think it took the Bush Administration far too long, to December 2001 to begin the operations.

I am totally against, and have spoken constantly since the speeches in August and September of 2002, the invasion and occupation of Iraq, which did not have anything to do with anything of interest to this country with the sole exception of Isreal, for which we should never have started a war.

In his office, I would have done exactly what Obama has done, increasing troop strength in Afghanistan, but I would have reduced troop levels in Iraq much sooner and much faster (which BTW is what he said in the campaign).

sdtfs (profile) wrote on Wed, 9/16/2009 - 8:31 pm

I heard that chipmunks believe in peak oil, ground squirrels dream about mass transit, and gophers like high density dwellings. Not to stir anyone's animosities or anything.

Hey, they're just dumb animals. Of course they are going to fall for stuff like that. BTW, twas I in yesterday's thread that mentioned my ground squirrels turning a stacked stone wall into a condohell.

Well, for one Thelonius C. Munk it is clearly 0 as mp prepares the medieval option...Wink
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i more than half liked bush 1

G H W bush did some very smart things for the us esp in terms of foreign policy and budget

bush one was right about "voodoo economics" and i can see how he gets along with clinton (bill)..politically they have a lot in common and some differences

obama has got to push thru banking regs, improved oversight, and get some perp walks going on the bankstas or he will probably loose my vote

They seem to just be tossing ideas around at this point. It is going to be difficult for anyone to find a convenient substitute.

Any more takers?

32 hours, 30 minutes.

chipmunks are the perfect size for .22 practice from the front porch couch.

Question... Is there any way to evict a tenant of a property that is to be sold (in CA)? I have repeatedly been told absolutely no but am curious how a bank can do it after a foreclosure.

BSR lol

I used to shoot pairie dogs from the front steps.

Beck, Hannity & Limbaugh only exist because of Rupert Murdoch...

Blame the mouthpieces if you'd like, but the real evil is behind the scenes paying for the puppets~

"How many months until the scrod hits the fan?"

.....define: scrod.....and "hits the fan"?

Speaking of which, Jim the Realtor was going to have a cash-for-keys offer for the barefoot, hairy-belly tenant in that REO video from a week or so ago. Wonder how that's going.

I said a couple nights ago - it either blows up or we are all wrong [if so grab a jug of koolaid & chill]. No later than Nov 2010 - if not by then pour me a tall one, make it a double shot.

JMHO.

MP,

Your going to have to kill the thing. Try rat glue or snap traps.

Good luck with the wife.

Turns out [John Edwards] would have been a disaster and that had nothing to do with his policies.

Edwards should run for political office in Italy. with his off-balance sheet resume, he'd be a fine candidate to replace salvatore berlusconi

Rupert Murdoch doesn't care what any of his employees say, as long as they get ratings. That's his sole concern. If he thought that "Air America" types would make him more money, that's who he'd be backing.

They seem to just be tossing ideas around at this point. It is going to be difficult for anyone to find a convenient substitute.

Indeed. It would seem more intelligent to simply address the flaws revealed by the past crisis, instead of throwing away the entire apparatus for something untested.

Better the devil you know, and all that.

Next leg down. End of extend and pretend. Double dip. Dow crash. Dollar collapse. Any or all - pick your poison.

Anyone have comments about evicting? My brother in law has a signed contract on a house. The seller did not disclose that they rented the place a few weeks ago. He would proceed and wait out the lease but he does not have enough DP$ to qualify for an "investment loan".

Being an old Marine (Marines are never ex-Marines, btw),

BSR, I'm just an old fogey, formerly a member of the U.S. Army (I think we do get to be ex-Army). LOL.

I thought Bush the Elder got a bad deal. IMO in effect he was held to pay for the Reagan years.

Re: no new taxes: I saw your comment on Nye County Commissioner. My area in San Bernardino County is represented by one Anthony Adams (R). In order to get elected he had to sign the "no taxes" pledge or whatever it is that EVERY Republican State Senator or Assemblyman had to sign. He was one of the three who then supported the tax hike earlier this year. The recall effort started immediately and, whatever it's outcome might be, the simple fact is that the Republican Party will not nominate him for reelection in 2010.

I just find that totally unacceptable in a democracy. California has lots of gangs. You swear your allegiance and, if you violate that, you can die (that night). The fact that a major political party runs the same way is, to me, scary.

Good luck with the wife.

Mr. Chipmunk, clever as he is, is unaware of the fact that, at 0730 Friday morning, the political dynamic will change.

Mrs. mp will be out for the morning, thus opening a window of opportunity.

Mr. Chipmunk's ass is grass, and I am the lawn mower.

This will, of course, result in the need for a political cover-up, which I have already formulated.

Beck, Hannity & Limbaugh only exist because of Rupert Murdoch...

Blame the mouthpieces if you'd like, but the real evil is behind the scenes paying for the puppets~

Say what you want about the man, but I really appreciated Ted Turner's comments from a few months ago that CNN's Headline News was unwatchable now. I used to love headline news 3 or 4 years ago, when all they did was rotate top news stories hour after hour. Then I found I had to shut it off for an hour in the evening during Nancy Grace. Then a couple of hours. Now it's completely useless to me and I haven't watched it in ages.

What baffles me is that there is a group of people who respond to that crap, and it's large enough to swamp the people who are actually watching for unbiased news.

Blame the cat. Renewed interest, etc.

This will, of course, result in the need for a political cover-up, which I have already formulated.

Frame the cat - that would be double good.

Of course it will be difficult to explain how the cat learned to shoot.

Obviously BG & I think alike [wrt to felines anyway]...

Frame the cat - that would be double good.

I never did like that damned cat.

I'm a born and bred pessimist and see the glass as perpetually draining onto the table -- however, there are hints and allegations that there are Green Shoots seeds sitting upon the fallow fields. Perhaps if there is a killer frost and harsh winter, spring will come and the children of the Earth shall ... hmmm .... yah know, I try to buy into that shit, but it doesn't feel right! Dooooooooooooooom!!!

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