CRE Report: U.S. Postal Service Might Consolidate up to 14 million Square Feet
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Check's in the mail.
1990's going postal: offing people
2000's going postal: offing buildings
More good news, CR.
Paperless is the good deflation.
I can't see a govt organization being allowed to slim down when everyone in Congress is calling for more stimulus.
From the last thread:
Otishertz:
The ammo comment was a metaphor completely unrelated to my profession. I could have used "shot our load", but I considered it bad taste. My comments are meant to indicate that we as a society are barking up the wrong tree. Climate change evidence is not nearly as strong as many think, while the bigger problem is drawing more and more food supply from areas inhospitable to farming in the long term (the southwest and parts of Cali). Anyways, off the the races (Saratoga, that is). Have a good day all.
15% reduction in total CRE space.
Not enough, I think.
Probably a second similar closing later on
The overfarming marginal lands thing happened just before the black
plague.
There are spots that were never ever farmed again afterwards.
I was barely a teenager when tricky dick went down for lying over much ado about nothing, maybe the lies on Wall*Street currently aren't small enough?
The extra Post Office space should be used for the Treasury Direct expansion into the New National bank. Any maturity, to go with any denomination (already in use).
Put those old banks out of our misery.
60% of what USPS puts in my box, goes straight to re-cycle bins.
The USPS consolidation efforts are a canard. The local distribution facility in Oxnard handles 93xxx from near the center of the service area along the major freeway. The Postal service wants to "relocate" to Santa Clarita in zip 913xx with some of the most gawdawful traffic congestion in the nation and no direct routes to the 93xxx delivery zone.
The plan is political outsourcing nothing more.
The bad news was that the notice of consolidation was sent to union workers by e-mail.
The plan is political outsourcing nothing more.
How it starts is not necessarily how it ends.
broward (homepage, profile) wrote on Sat, 8/1/2009 - 10:54 am
The plan is political outsourcing nothing more.
How it starts is not necessarily how it ends.
We all know how it ends. Plotting the path and following their paving the road with intentions is still worth monitoring.
Want to get rid of 200 employees without going to the trouble of downsizing? Move their job from Oxnard to Santa Clarita adding 3+ hours to their daily commute.
Omaha has 6 post offices up for closure. Lincoln 3 and the local INS is moving into the federal building here also. Makes sense to me. Then again, Maybe this is how the gov takes more control of another profit stream to hide taxes. Dollar stamps anyone?
Move their job from Oxnard to Santa Clarita adding 3+ hours to their daily commute.
Been there, done that.
Originally, I covered an area of San Frenando, Simi, Thousand Oaks. After the leveraged buyout and 50% employee reduction, my area included Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, San Luis Obispo, Paso Robles, San Simeon, etc I worked for another year until they cut my mileage rate, too.
maybe they are going to bring back the pony express, and that is where all of the ponies went.
Pony Express station in Gothenburg NE is still there ready to go!!
As of just a week or two ago, some of the major USPS offices in Durham, NC started switching to a 8am-2pm counter schedule as opposed to 8am-5pm. Speaking to workers there, they are still being paid full-time, but they believe this shift in schedule (which has them doing nothing for a few hours) is a precursor to layoffs.
Email : USPS :: Internal combustion : blacksmiths. We are still gonna need them, but for an ever more specialized service, which will not require nearly the capital build out that is currently in place. I think that it is one of the duties of state to have an official means to facilitate the dissemination of information and goods, and so there will need to be a postal service. But it will be utilized less and less for anything other than state business and it will have to vastly reform its operations. I think mail delivery will go away in time. It will start with a 5 day a week delivery and go down from there.
How long before we see the e-mail tax to support the USPS?
The postmistress at my post office pleaded with me not to buy stamps @ Costco, because she needed all the revenue she could get...
Thread music...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo
but they believe this shift in schedule is a precursor to layoffs
You can smell the concern.
Sent a registered letter two weeks ago, three clerks waiting and only me in line.
They almost fought over getting my business.
USPS employees know it's coming.
There are still safe zones, but they're dwindling:
Yahoo! 404 - Page Not Found
last thread.
i know that there have been instances of limnic eruption in lakes, so possiblity of larger body of water having same?like gulf,sea etc.
you can please tell me no totally no way etc etc
Digital cash transactions: branches and tellers.
Easy access to rate and price info : bankers and brokers.
Profits go to zero, unless we bail with billions.
I can't figure out how Goldman will make money out of the closings--but I'm sure they will because they make money on everything. So smart, so bad, so deserving, so undeserving. On second thought--so deserving of jail time.
The USPS will continue to be a vital lynchpin of the economy as long as the Real Estate industry and credit industry need to be constantly advertising and moving documents around to keep up their furious rate of transact... never mind.
[conflict disclaimer; about to go long forever stamps]
USPS was planning to build a giant sorting facility about 2 miles from my house in SoCal.
The City government has been fighting them for over a year to stop it, citing traffic problems and noise.
USPS said "bite it". Now, I wonder if the construction will be delayed or canceled.
Mel (profile) wrote on Sat, 8/1/2009 - 11:11 am
I can't figure out how Goldman will make money out of the closings--but I'm sure they will because they make money on everything. So smart, so bad, so deserving, so undeserving. On second thought--so deserving of jail time.
They'll pick up the properties for pennies and lease them back to the government as Social Security reallocation facilities.
"i know that there have been instances of limnic eruption in lakes, so possiblity of larger body of water having same?like gulf,sea etc.
you can please tell me no totally no way etc etc"
Putin has just been inspecting methane clathrates in Lake Baikal. There's lots of that in the oceans - at least I've heard of one concentration in the North Atlantic near Greenland. Hypothesis that the extraordinary warming of the Paleocene (over 50 mya) was caused by an eruption of methane clathrates.
Our local UPS guy tells me how dead things are, why doesn't the maim stream media go to the horse's mouth, instead of brown-nosing with the bankers?
This White House is an extension of GS cult. Jail time, deserving, won't happen.
Oh,oh. Could be bad for New England. Every village here has a post office, I mean unincorporated village.
Chesterfield, a town near here has 1,200 people. People there were all upset because they were going to close a post office branch. But not the MAIN Chesterfield PO, the West Chesterfield PO. West Chesterfield is just a name on the map, all part of the same town.
Most of these little POs are small, part-time things. But it's still amazing.
GS could load up on the private delivery services then lobby Washington to sell off the USPS.
Small town post offices can be leased out. The local community or business will have to pay for it.
Thousands of unemployed postal workers could lead to a new definition of "tramp stamp".
Nice article in the FT, about the need for banking to shrink, inspired by a retiring banker who saw a vast over-expansion of credit during the bubble. It's nice to see some sanity amongst the financial / economic community. I just wish Bernanke and a few others would acquire a little.
FT.com / Management - Healthy appetite for shrinking a defunct system
Rob Dawg,
Reminds me of the Ridgecrest repopulation plan; ie. 2005 BRAC decision regarding Pt. Mugu to Ridgecrest. There was a recent LA Times article regarding how Ridgecrest is a booming community. What a horrible place to live... takes a special person to want to live in the high desert, however let's build some critical assets there and move what could be critical work (I'd imagine all that work can be done elsewhere as most travel 40+% of the time),
I think tattoos will be a deciding factor in the future, in terms of hiring decisions by employers...
Imagine all the cretins that spent thousands of dollars making themselves into illustrated men and women, trying to valiantly cover it up?
LBD don't forget lunar power: the New Wave is righteous.
JD That reminds me of an interview I saw on PBS years ago when the Goths were just coming into vogue. There was a young guy with a spider-like tat going all the way up from his neck covering half his face.
He wondered why the only jobs he could get were night cashier at the local adult book store. His perplexity was genuine.
My mailbox is the second largest contributor to my recycle bin for all the junk mail and I do not even use it. I use Earth Class Mail - The Ultimate PO Box, Check Deposit and Mail Outsourcing Service .
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Doc Holiday (profile) wrote on Sat, 8/1/2009 - 10:50 am
Credit Bubble Bulletin
PrudentBear
"There are a number of reasons why the government finance Bubble is even more dangerous than the Wall Street/mortgage finance Bubble. First of all, the $2 TN or so of “government” issuance over the past year is greater than the $1.4 TN peak total mortgage Credit growth during 2005 and 2006. I would expect another $2 TN next year and the year after. Government debt enjoys the attribute of “moneyness” in the marketplace to a much greater capacity than mortgage securities did during the boom. The risks associated with debasing this “moneyness” are momentous."
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The math does not work without hyper-monetizing inflation. Arguments for deflation are strong and hard to reconcile with the notion of hyperinflation. However, hyperinflation is a monetary phenomenon. Deflation is largely a supply and demand issue. Look back at Doc's post after the pig on the last thread. He put up many examples of monetization.
Ultimately there will be a revaluation due to MASSIVE ongoing monetization. This in turn will lead to scarcity as extra paper lands on anything hard to preserve value. Deflation would flip to inflation about five minutes after a re/devaluation - bank holiday.
The real estate industry uses and used messengers and ups/fedex etc.
Not the post office.
Yogi
I am not against advancements but looks like the band wagon of people have little info on the whole picture. Consumers are really easily manipulated as to what's in your wallet thinking. Lots more to then what is being presented. Lots of horses pulled dead cars to the garages before the car was more then a toy. That is where most Green tech is a toy. One of my back burner projects is a small wind generator. I am in the 6th best state for wind power. The project is a total loser if I have to spend a $100 on it. The the time to maintain it.
@Dawg : "conflict disclaimer; about to go long forever stamps"
Hope that's not going to be a buy-and-hold-forever proposition...
Meanwhile, I'll take "Negative Absorption" for $400, Alex...
Stamps? How about go long nickels?
@Liz: "The real estate industry uses and used messengers and ups/fedex etc.
Not the post office."
Business opportunity for the post office, there!
Bottom line is there will be consolidation in the whole sector.
Heck, we've just whacked the whole economy by 10-30%, so there'll be consolidation everywhere. With or without the (hyper)inflation, people just aren't going to be consuming more than they produce until they get a healthy balance sheet again.
Strangely, the local post office just opened two small branches sited in stores. I assume they won't last long with this, which is a pity for me as one is 5 blocks from my house and right next to the freeway on-ramp, which is incredibly convenient for me.
Here's a black shoot for you:
PROLONGED AID TO UNEMPLOYED IS RUNNING OUT - NY Times
"Over the coming months, as many as 1.5 million jobless Americans will exhaust their unemployment insurance benefits, ending what for some has been a last bulwark against foreclosures and destitution.
Because of emergency extensions already enacted by Congress, laid-off workers in nearly half the states can collect benefits for up to 79 weeks, the longest period since the unemployment insurance program was created in the 1930s. But unemployment in this recession has proved to be especially tenacious, and a wave of job-seekers is using up even this prolonged aid.
Tens of thousands of workers have already used up their benefits, and the numbers are expected to soar in the months to come, reaching half a million by the end of September and 1.5 million by the end of the year, according to new projections by the National Employment Law Project, a private research group.
Unemployment insurance is now a lifeline for nine million Americans, with payments averaging just over $300 per week, varying by state and work history. While many recipients find new jobs before exhausting their benefits, large numbers in the current recession have been unable to find work for a year or more."
There'll probably be another extension. And another. And another... the more money you give to banks, the less power you have to shut the door on anybody else.
I might be more likely to hire someone who had attractive, artistic, well planned tattoos and I have no tatts.
I would never hire a taz tatt, a head tatt, face tatt, or neck tatt but full sleeves are fine by me.
The body mod that I think will have the largest impact on employability in the future are the ear distorting hoops that are appearing on twitterers. I wince every time I see them.
What's next Ubangi lips?
Ubangi lip - Google Search
How much has the total drop in GDP been?
Green Car Congress: Oyster Wave Power Machine Generates Electricity Onshore; Sea Trials Begin This Autumn
I remember laughing at my buddy, a hopeless dreamer who never finished college, when he told me about the great possibilities of wave power, about 25 years ago.
I often wonder how much the post office loses on the larger priority mail flat rate boxes?
You can stuff an awful lot in them, and supposedly the main reason for them is to allow people to send care packages to the war-fronts overseas, via APO.
Earth Class Mail. Never heard of it.
Checked it out; holy mac that's expensive!
"Strangely, the local post office just opened two small branches sited in stores."
These are probably contract operations, run by the store owner under contract to the feds. It used to be moderately common for stationery stores or drug stores to run these, I think in part for the synergy. It may be that these cost the feds little or nothing.
Juvenal Delinquent, No senator, judge or president has ever been impeached by the U.S. House of Representatives for "much ado about nothing". Trivializing a crime committed by Nixon doesn't made it tolerable.
"You can smell the concern.
Sent a registered letter two weeks ago, three clerks waiting and only me in line.
They almost fought over getting my business.
USPS employees know it's coming. "
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Perhaps the post office will become the first national bank. I was joking with a postal clerk the other day that before long she would be a bank teller if the government keeps taking over failed banks.
lawyerliz (profile) wrote on Sat, 8/1/2009 - 11:33 am
The real estate industry uses and used messengers and ups/fedex etc.
Not the post office.
My point exactly LL. And in case it wasn't obvious through the snark I expect advertising to follow soon enough.
Otis,
There was a car accident down the road from me, with 3 almost adults in a truck that got banged around somewhat (minor to a bit more than minor injuries) and 2 of them had those stretchy earrings, all 4 of which popped out, and I could have passed quarters through their lobes, the holes were so large...
Yogi
The idea has merit but all it is doing is playing the old fashion river and water wheel. The are just adding the reciprocating energy to rotational which the river water wheel has to start with. Looks expensive and high maintenance as well.
Real GDP decline from Q2-2008 to Q2-2009 was 3.9%.
Notice that the long-term (1929-2008) average growth rate of US GDP had been 3.4%.
Therefore the output gap is 7.3%.
Ghost or EHP, would you guys care to comment on london banker's assessment of the central bank cabal that is buying each others auctions with yields falling?
London Banker used to have one of my favorite econ finance blogs.
Cheers
PS - I believe the was on Roubini's site RGE.
"It just occurred to me today how the central banks could have orchestrated events to achieve the impossible: issuing up to $5 trillion in government debt worldwide without crashing equity markets or spiking interest rates. It's really quite beautiful - and oh so familiar to those schooled in the glorious history of bank fraud.
Daisy chain.
The last great daisy chain of bank frauds was the Texas, Florida and California thrift frauds of the 1980s. 25 years of deregulation, securitisation and derivatives, and another Bush in the White House, meant the same could be done on a much bigger, global scale second time around, and now it may be taken to the logical extreme of the central banks themselves.
In the 1980s the corrupt networks of thrift executives created fraudulent "deposits" for each other on their books to enable fraudulent loans to their associates in real estate development. Cooking the books with each other's help meant that they could fool investors into thinking the thrifts were safe places to put their cash. Corrupt regulators and politicians ensured there were never any inconvenient investigations or prosecutions. Rising real estate prices - from fraudulent valuations - kept the scam going long after it should have collapsed, as more investors could be suckered in. The money streamed from the phoney developers to drugs, arms for Saddam, the Contras and the usual offshore tax havens - all with plausible deniability and untraceable.
I've been wondering lately how the US Treasury and UK Treasury could have sold record amounts of debt without interest rates rising or equities falling. Yesterday I read that SAMA had confirmed that it bought a lot less Treasuries in the first half of 2009, but that doesn't square with the auction results of fully subscribed auctions.
An orchestrated daisy chain would explain it - central banks in the chain fraudulently create "assets" and "liabilities" for each other without any money moving between them - only money from the suckers outside the network who really buy the auctions. Any real money invested is streamed to the bankster collaborators in the asset markets where it will conveniently disappear into untraceable "losses" when the time is right.
This fits with the changes to the "indirect" category reporting for Treasury auctions. Now it is impossible to distinguish legitimate foreign central bank buying from fraudulent "wash" purchases from connected daisy chain central banks or Fed-funded "indirect" purchases by crony banksters.
No auction among daisy chain banks will be allowed to fail, no interest rates will be allowed to rise, as phony assets and liabilities can be recorded just as in the thrift daisy chains to keep the scam going. The banksters get the cash, just like Texas developers, and wash it in ever rising asset markets, just like Texas real estate, skimming off a heavy slice with each iteration. The markets have to keep rising, otherwise the suckers wouldn't keep putting real money into the rigged game.
Organised crime at its best - premeditated, organised, continuous, and facilitated by relationships between its perpetrators and public officials.
Daisy chain.
"The [wind] project is a total loser if I have to spend a $100 on it. "
Don't forget to add the damage from carbon emissions to your benefits.
Any mass technology change has fixed costs that entail sacrifice. The moon and the sun are still free and should burn and pull tomorrow, waiting for us hook up.
Richard Nixon was as dirty of a politician as this country had ever seen, but he seems like a choirboy in comparison to anybody up to their necks in our financial hierarchy, presently...
Agreed Juvie. And unlike Bush, he was smart.
Don't forget to add the damage from carbon emissions to your benefits.
Nuke was the smartest of all but the hippies where to dumb in their love fest to get it.
Whats the carbon cost to build and maintain a full size wind generator? How many to power a small city of 110K. What will the cost in jobs be. The word toy is still there.
The steam engine was a toy for thousands of years, and the wheel
was a toy in South America. And gunpowder was a Chinese fun toy
for making pretty lights in the sky.
"Earth Class Mail. Never heard of it.
Checked it out; holy mac that's expensive!"
Yep, hard to compete with free. As a deliberate renter It is great. Also, I can get my mail anywhere when traveling, even overseas. Incidentally, they just added electronic check deposit to any bank in the U.S.
Haven't seen Comrad Kristina recently.
People thought they knew how to ride a bike for speed, until Graeme Obree reinvented 2 wheels in 1993.
The racing establishment was so embarrassed by the amateur who had built his own bike using washing machine parts that they changed the rules (also with the backstroke recently).
Sprinting was most efficient leaning forward with a long stride, until Michael Johnson said no.
I'd say we have a ways to go with wind, water, and sun power.
I believe there's some myth, Liz
"The military applications of gunpowder began in the Tang Dynasty. Explosive bombs filled with gunpowder and fired from catapults were used in wars. During the Song and Yuan dynasties (960-1368), the military applications of gunpowder became common and some other weapons like "fire cannon", "rocket", "missile" and "fireball" were introduced. "
Four Great Inventions of Ancient China -- Gunpowder
Picked a sports section up and glanced at it briefly.
The sports followers were horrified to think that Cali
"college" sports teams would be cut. Not a word that
cutting sports is better than cutting academia.
Reminds me, anything about Pa?
I should have looked that up. Liz stands corrected.
Around these parts, anything can can be tattoed, will be tattoed. I met a life girl scout with merit badges tattooed down her arm.
But piercings -- at least obvious ones -- are not as common as they were in this college town. Saw a girl with two lip rings the other day, and that was the most extreme piercing I'd seen in recent memory.
This is more appropriate to the prior thread, but I was playing Grandpa.
There was a discussion on bank fees. I help three seniors handle their money because for varying reasons they aren't able to do it alone. One has a chacking account at WaMu/Chase and pays $6/mo that includes bill pay which we use a great deal. Only income is SS and a small pension. Seems fair.
Other two are at Wells Farge. One is stuck in their "Direct Deposit Advance" program, borrowing $500 every month at 10% (not p.a., flat 10%) or $50/mo and averages one overdraft/mo @$35. [I only help, don't control.]
The other W-F person has two checking accounts (for good reasons) and two linked savings accounts. These accounts have been costing her $19/mo in fees. We visited a Wells branch this week and just by asking got the fees reduced to zero. How many know to ask?
Whether you want to believe it or not, there a a lot of Americans in this very situation, probably 20-25%. I forget the number but a large percentage of the population has a net worth < zero. (Probably even higher now counting underwater home "owners."
You don't hear about them much (unless someone is on a welfare rant) because they don't have the economic weight of those who have it to spend, But they're you neighbors and you will get to know them when times get tougher.
How do you 'rightsize' the USPS when each proposed facility closing will be battled in congress resulting in a frankenstein version of a 'rightsized' USPS? You know Barney Frank wont be loosing any!
"But they're your neighbors and you will get to know them when times get tougher"
How many of you have discussed economic matters with your neighbors, or even know your neighbors?
I can understand Chinese reticence to claim the invention of the military use of gunpowder.
I'm not about to get into a nuclear energy debate, but it comes with big risks.
How many of you have discussed economic matters with your neighbors, or even know your neighbors?
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Yup.
Discussed lots of important things with our neighbors. They are hip to being prepared and being neighborly. Good for all of us.
"They are hip to being prepared and being neighborly. Good for all of us"
Somebody mentioned a few threads back about how everything we value tends to be pieces of paper, but real value has nothing to do with papyrus, people.
Stuff rots. A medium of exchange which does not rot(or can be easily replaced)
is convenient if you want to store some value for the future. Hence the usefullness
of the symbolic value of money.
However, macro-parasites can cause the symbolic value of money to rot,
which is happening here. I'm not sure that they have the slightest idea what
they are doing, but I am sure that if they did, they would lie to themselves
about it.
"How many of you have discussed economic matters with your neighbors, or even know your neighbors? "
Of the neighbors I have discussed matters with my 82 year old neighbor is the only one who notices what is happening. He pointed out the other day how the nazi's formed a committee to decide whether or not to commit genocide on a nearby villiage and how people make immoral choices when mob mentality takes over. We talked about the repeating worldwide history in great detail. I told him if he ever needs anything just knock. There is a young guy downstairs with PTSD from Iraq who has the first sprouts of a clue but is largely indoctrinated - indifferent.
The other neighbors: a clerk, a receptionist, a social worker, some gas face freaked out consumer addicts across the hall who can't even wave, numerous shopkeepers, all unaware - indifferent. No point in mixing it up more than it takes to keep it cordial. They will learn soon enough.
In general, it's probably good to identify the one's who understand what is coming beforehand as they are more likely to be able to adapt or to have made preparations. Beyond that, you will always be a chicken little for pointing out the obvious.
If you utilize reason audibly in present day USA people will look at you like you are a crazed witchdoctor.
Best to play dumb. Good thing that is easy.
Liz, sounds like you would support the one-world open-source index of liquid tangibles as a store of value. Can't be rotted by a central bank, yet your mother could carry it in her purse without fear.
The Ancient Greeks and Romans minted beautiful coins over a period of about 1,000 years, truly works of art (the Greeks in particular) and when the dark ages came, the coins disappeared from circulation largely, until the renaissance...
A world without money is a world adrift~
1 currency now,
Do you have a web page some where that describes your "one-world open-source index of liquid tangibles"?
Liquid tangibles?
Oil? Booze? Clean water?
Easily sold?
Around here your mom would get robbed for an empty purse.
Where is here, Otis?
Downtown Portland, Or
Discussed lots of important things with our neighbors.
My neighbors tasted just like chicken.
@lawyer liz
I like reading your stuff, but have a suggestion...
When responding to a post, it helps the rest of us if you click on "reply" then write your response. Then anyone who wants more background can find it by clicking on "in reply to."
TIA
Mine taste like frog's legs
Corn, metals, silicon chips, anything that trades every day that you can slap a bar code on, or has a global exchange with transparent prices and volume.
Sounds great to me yogster.
Jeebus. We're not back to longpig, are we? This is where I came in.
[edit] Bando, the other white meat!
Our neighbors have lost about half of their 401k's, just like everybody else...
But money isn't so important as having a neighbor with a backhoe that knows how to use it, or a neighbor that has an established orchard, or other intangibles that have nothing to do with filthy lucre.
There is a just terrible early Heinlein book that wasn't published until
recently, which is terrible as a novel, but wonderful as a prediction of
how we live now.
Anyway the money of the novel, which I think was 150 years after 1939,
predicted money backed by sacks of wheat and various commodities.
If you really wanted to, you could go down to your local treasury, and exchange
it for said commodities. I assume he didn't invent this, so this idea has
presumably been around for a long time.
filthy lucre
Was it a millionaire who said "imagine no possessions"?
I thought Portland was a nice place.
Read "Brave New World" if you'd like to see the future in real time, although Huxley was thinking 600 or so years ahead instead...
Sorry, Coinz, not yet, but I want to endow a prize soon so there will be something.
Not only do I think it's beneficial to producers and savers of value, I actually think it is an inevitable evolution in world trade. No matter how many central banks meet in secret summits, people will not have faith unless it is open-sourced.
And the technology only now has become easy. I take it everyone is on Mozilla?
OK,
Now that I have made a few sensible comments it is time to discredit myself to the true believers.
Something IS going on with the parallel lines called chemtrails. For a while they would appear from the South at 10 AM sharp. Then they disappeared for a week only to reappear on memorial day. It was obvious people noticed and were watching them during the celebrations by the river. I couldn't speculate on what is being sprayed but clearly something is being purposefully sprayed on a schedule in organized parallel patterns.
Anyone who wonders about the ability of the PTB to maintain false reality need look no farther than up. People are too scared of ridicule to even mention the obvious.
Later taters.
Good job, Liz!
Annaly Capital suggests shooting heroin instead of trying to make sense of the current economic noise
Annaly Capital: Sherlock Holmes And The Mystery Of The Green Shoots | zero hedge
Many of you are convinced that technology as we know it will be around and only get better as time goes by, but doesn't all the technology cost a lot of money to produce?
Yep, Firefox.
otis You should drop in at LaVidaLocavore, and introduce yourself to JayinPortland. Great guy. You're probably neighbors.
Mozilla, yes.
I am trying to understand how your proposed system would work. Are you thinking along the lines of a shares of a multi-commodity ETF or a the grams of gold system at goldmoney.com where you can buy and sell in said units?
That might work if you had trustworthy trustees, and several levels of audits.
It would not work based on a Comex model where commodity failures to deliver can be settled in paper.
It does sound interesting, though.
People are too scared of ridicule to even mention the obvious.
People are so paranoid that they're afraid to admit they're paranoid for fear it will be used against them.
"I thought Portland was a nice place."
It is nice but there is a huge amount of desperation, hunger, and homelessness and it is accelerating. More and more it is finding expression in violent property crime. Violent property crime kills any real estate market. It will kill the Portland market.
Great for me but I am a 200 pound crazy looking mean mutherfucker who knows how to fight and is sometimes armed. The boomers who thought it would be luvvy dovey ride the trolley and shop till we drop are visibly uncomfortable.
The following is a list of Bay Area post office stations or branches identified as candidates for closure as part of a consolidation initiative:
American Canyon BR Site, Vallejo
Bradford, Hayward
Casa Correo, Concord
Colonnade, San Jose
Dimond, Oakland
Kaiser Center, Oakland
Landscape, Berkeley
Mills College, Oakland
Mira Vista Station, Richmond
Mission San Jose, Fremont
Mount Eden, Hayward
Niles, Fremont
Oakland Station B, Oakland
Oakland Station E, Oakland
Oakridge Mall, San Jose
Park Sation, Berkeley
Point Richmond Station, Richmond
Richmond Station A, Richmond
San Pablo Branch, Richmond
South Berkeley, Berkeley
Todos Santos, Concord
Bernal, SF
Civic Center Box, SF
Federal, SF
McLaren, SF
San Mateo 25th Ave, San Mateo
Multi-commodity etf, but no trustees. Millions of computers have access to all the data, the algorithm and the source code. Paper or downloaded back-up copies only as needed.
Oh geeze, the mail carriers here are already angry enough. We have 2 different ones that each work various days. We have the lady who slams the mailboxes closed so hard, that you can hear her delivering the mail while in the house with al the doors & windows closed and the AC running.Then there is guy with the Vietnam vet post traumatic stress disorder 1000 yard stare, that faces straight ahead and does not react to anything that is outside of his truck..
Note to self: Stay inside from now on when mail is being delivered.
Sorry to see Dimond Oakland on that list. I know people who walk there.
Our mail guys at the office are very nice and always have been.
The ones in Merritt Island are merely stupid, not angry.
The Ups guys are all very handsome. They remind me of firemen.
There are no ups girls that I recall.
What do you propose they are spraying? Besides water?
Aren't contrails natural phenomena that involves humidity, and
an airplane wing moving thru the humidity that causes ice crystals
or water droplets to form?
LawyerLIz,
We got pigged, but I agree about the UPS guys
lawyerliz (profile) wrote on Sat, 8/1/2009 - 4:14 pm
Aren't contrails natural phenomena that involves humidity, and
an airplane wing moving thru the humidity that causes ice crystals
or water droplets to form?
A lot of people want to believe they are spraying something to 'keep the population docile'.
Also, I used to get my package deliveries from a very nice, attractive UPS girl. They do exist.
Hi liz!
con-trails are caused by wing-tip vortices so tight they literally wring the moisture from the air.
I work for a large federal agency. Any important or time sensitive documents are sent other than USPS. They are too unreliable, have lost too many things.
If congress would end the Postal Monopoly all else would take care of itself. Children on bicycles, akin to paper routes of old, could handle most needs.