Hotel RevPAR off 18.4%

in

If Mortgage Pig is wearing lipstick, does that mean it's a girl pig?

HomeGnome, thanks for running the BFF pool. Next week I'll enter.

best to all

i got pigged again
the only way i know to delete comment is to hit the backspace key all the way.you will have the cursor flashing. go outside the box and left click and that stops comment. if dont want to delete entire just do comment again.

make that: stops cursor.

CR - "aren't as week" should probably be "aren't as weak".

HomeGnome, thanks for running the BFF pool. Next week I'll enter.

Well, now we know CR's take on the poll (not that I doubted it, since he posts haiku and "now it's Friday" stuff).

CNBS headline... "CIT soars".

LMAO.

Yep I told a client who was current on his mtg and could remain so to walk on
a rental. He got a special assessment for 2k, and tho he could pay it once,
he couldn't do so after that.
400 units. One water bill. Underwater on the water.

That blue bar is getting mighty thick.

Deficiencies.

Once again to smack the mole on its determined head.

They are not asking for deficiencies in Fla. They are a matter
of right, but not being asked for.

There are some short sellers who are being asked to sign notes,
but I will eat my hat if any money is ever collected on those notes.

be really careful its the judasgoat computer leading to buy buy buy buy must get it all.

Could be a cross dressing pig.

Basel Too - nice work on the CIT shares! - I'm assuming you closed out your position now

lawyerliz wrote:

That blue bar is getting mighty thick.

That's why I've been calling this the "Girth" Recession.

Party on Girth.

Geez, that is really gambling.

and now out of CIT......thanks I'll take 11% fore about five minutes anyday of the week..

Big sarcasm here:

"ooooooh cup and handle"

Ciao
MS

scone's been staring at the mortgage pig too long.

Slightly OT-- Article on China, they are still growing, partly due to their domestic stimpack spending. The article suggests their stimpack is holding up commodity prices, which means there could be a dip when the stimpack is over. That will not be good for the other Asian economies, and Aussie/NZ.

A Rebound Of Growth In China - NY Times

what are some cheap prices people have found in hotels? I saw a few hotels in Waikiki offering $56/night.....in the July, through weekends.

scone's been staring at the mortgage pig too long. - WWNM

Seriously. I started thinking about transgendered people I have known. That pig looks a lot like someone at my church.

I spend way too much time here.

"last year it was 66.8 percent"

And as a YOY it's up against the record high for gas?

the "C" in CIT should now be pronounced like the "c" in appreciate

Oh, and there are a few flights from LA to Australia for $500 (United). And flights from LA to Asia for $660 (JAL)

what are some cheap prices people have found in hotels? I saw a few hotels in Waikiki offering $56/night.....in the July, through weekends.

I posted this before, but I recently stayed at a great hotel on Union Square in San Francisco for around $65/night I think. it was over Memorial Day weekend. (Sir Francis Drake)

normally it goes for $120-180/night.

Seriously. I started thinking about transgendered people I have known. That pig looks a lot like someone at my church.

"To all the girl-boys scone's loved, before.... who traveled in and out his/her door..."

i got out of CIT at 0.60; didn't want to get too greedy and 50% return is something.

the funny thing is, without looking to see where all the bonds are located, it's pretty hard to tell how the CIT BK would actually unfold. for example, creditors to the commercial lending affiliate (which is where the trouble lay) can't reach into the deposit institution.

"To all the girl-boys scone's loved, before.... who traveled in and out his/her door..." - YTL

That's interesting- where does it come from? However, full disclosure, I am a girl. A DNA girl. At least, I think so! Smile

scrooge, WHERE did you find that?

@lama

Which deal?

@Yearning to Learn

Wow nice find....that's a very historical hotel.

YTL-

Gotta love those costumes on the bell-hops.....on anything over an 80d day it must be really nice to stand next to them. BTW you did walk across the street and have breakfast at Sear's? If not you have missed a great old-school SF eatery.

Ciao
MS

Could I see a baltic Index overlay here to show an apples to oranges relationship between travel and shipping and fuel costs?

whoever sold CIT at .01 the other day (right before the halt) is just loving themselves about now.

Ciao
MS

quick lunch break, I mentioned the rat populations growing before, but if this is true, just sad...
Louisiana Infant Found Dead in Crib With 100 Small Animal Bites

"That will not be good for the other Asian economies, and Aussie/NZ."

I heard a snippet on B'Berg that Oz is just south china at this point.....with regards to the usage of it's resources. A few minutes later they pleaded with it's viewer's to stop sending nasty emails to them.

Ciao
MS

Australia flights.
One thing I don't need are free hotels. My largest portfolio holding is Marriott Reward Points (which are now getting killed in exchange rates vs the USD).

Thanks,

@MS

Got any other recommendations for breakfast in SF? I haven't been able to find good ones yet....I do love Aqua and Gary Danko in SF for dinner though.

I'm positive other thread heads must have been all over the Comex stating it will substitute GLD ETF shares in lieu of delivery of the commodity.

"Comex has asserted their right under their rules to deliver the equivalent paper interest in Exchange Traded Funds such as GLD in lieu of the delivery of physical bullion for those standing for delivery under the rules of the commodity exchange."

This is a default in my book. No one can prove GLD has any gold because it's custodians are all leasing it out.The audits are a sham. The whole ETF is a sham.

Jesse's Café Américain: Paper, Scissors, Gold 

Owning GLD Can Be Hazardous to Your Wealth | Best Way To Invest

Imagine the fallout in all the other gambling ETFs if the GLD ETF blows up.

How important are Hotel metrics to the state of the overall economy? Is this an indirect way of measuring business travel? Could there be other explanations, such as better teleconferencing technology?

...it's viewer's to stop sending nasty emails to them. - ms

Yes, I can see that. The Aussies have been on a roll for a while, and they are very proud of the fact. However, they do sell their stuff in other places, and they have been doing some infrastructure work domestically, eg. roads. The population is very small compared to the size of the country, and lots of places don't have much of anything, roads, sewers, internet, etc. Some of it has not been completely mapped, even. Very much a frontier feel once you get out of the coastal cities.

anyone else yahoo financial lagging time wise? their time is 1.20 my time is 1:35

Oh the irony of it all!!! It does not matter what they do, until they do the right thing and quit protecting these banks the ship will continue to sink. If ONLY we could get people to spend like drunken sailors all would be well in the world? Quite the conundrum their in. Laughing out loud

US: Unemployment tops 10 pct in 15 states in June

The Federal Reserve this week projected that the national unemployment rate, currently at a 26-year high of 9.5 percent, will pass 10 percent by the end of the year. Most Fed policymakers said it could take "five or six years" for the economy and the labor market to get back on a path of long-term health. To get there, consumers must return to a regular spending groove and housing prices need to start rising again.

Yahoo! 404 - Page Not Found

Scrooge McDuck -

nice brunch spot: "Just For You" over in dogpatch.

Or Boogaloos (sp?) on Valencia. If you can stand hipsters.

"Got any other recommendations for breakfast in SF? I haven't been able to find good ones yet....I do love Aqua and Gary Danko in SF for dinner though."

Sounds like you're around Union Square?

You might want to checkout Mocha Cafe right off Maiden Lane for lunch. Their tri-tip beef sandwich is great and they make a very nice seafood salad. Very good coffee as well.

Home Gnome

If you're still around I'll take five banks.

And in other news, Portland's housing inventory (for sale) has dropped to 8.2 months.

Portland Oregon Real Estate Blog: Inventory At Lowest Level Since 2007

"Could there be other explanations, such as better teleconferencing technology?"

That's not what's happening. I have personally never seen video teleconferencing equipment anywhere except in or on the cabinets, unplugged and unused.

I'm positive other thread heads must have been all over the Comex stating it will substitute GLD ETF shares in lieu of delivery of the commodity.

Wow, I have not seen this yet. I need to read up on it, but this seems huge to me.

Imagine going to the grocery store, buying a bag of coffee, but when you get home, you find a certificate inside for 1 SHARE in the COFFEE ETF. Umm, that is going to taste good in the morning.

Just wow.

Why do I have a feeling that many large players wrote a ton of July puts with the objective of propping up the markets until today and recapitalizing our financial system by crushing the bears/shorts/realists??

Anyway, they can't keep this pig floating much longer. Collapse within 3 months.

gabyjan, that is the same problem I was having this morning with their site. Try the link below, it gives lots more market data. Thanks again to we will not monetize.

Markets Data Center Home - Market Data, Indexes, Stock Quotes & More - WSJ.com

"That's interesting- where does it come from?"

One of the most famous country songs ever.
YouTube -

Pork store in the Haight (upper). Squat and Gobble (three locations- Marina, Haight and the mission district)

For lunch: Ali baba's Cave (again Haight) Great Shewarma (sp?) sandwich
Big Nate's BBQ (Nate Thurmond owns it) On Folsom I think, at 13th or 12th
Brother In law's BBQ (Divisadero...few blocks up from Fell) Watch you r back though neighborhood is a bit sketchy at night

Ciao
MS

"That's not what's happening. I have personally never seen video teleconferencing equipment anywhere except in or on the cabinets, unplugged and unused."

My workplace has a fancy full-wall system that we use to telecon w/ the london office. We use it maybe 2-3x a week.

Still didn't prevent me from doing a 4 month stint in London

[In year-over-year measurements, the industry’s occupancy fell 9.7 percent to end the week at 60.3 percent]

Comparisons get easier for wall st but the pain doesn't let up on main st.

Thanks, MS. If you want any recommendations for LA/Honolulu, let me know.

Could happen.......
Goldman Sachs in Talks to Acquire Treasury Department
Goldman Sachs in Talks to Acquire Treasury Department - Borowitz Report 

One of the most famous country songs ever. - NTG

Willie Nelson used to play at the Goble Tavern, in my county, back when he was getting started and the Goble was a very rough road house.

Comex doesn't have the physical delivery capability...they haven't for a very long time. Didn't think they would just write paper to the one's who wanted delivery though. That is HUGE if so....I saw a few weeks ago that people couldn't get the actual serial #'ed bars they (comex) said they owned......

Ciao
MS

Scrooge,

yelp.com is handy for finding decent eats in SF near where ever you are. Some of the reviews are suspect, but mostly it is useful. Good luck!

oh, they have a nice iphone version too.

Hadn't hear that Otis.

I assume it is in the papers that they can do that.

If you are at all interested in gold, why would you buy paper?

so people are starting to want to take delivery, hunh?

@BURN

Thanks! Actually, I use chowhound.com Smile (because yelp reviews are sometimes suspect)

Burn,
Sure, there are many companies that use it, but as a percentage, not many. Both parties have to use it as well, so it's probably used more for inter-office instead of inter-company. Also, the migration over to it has been methodical and slow.
Is yours used between different companies?

A little bit of table porn and chart porn for BFF....from the FDIC.

Insurance Fund Balances and Selected Indicators:

FDIC Quarterly Banking Profile 

DIF Reserve Ratios:

FDIC: Quarterly Banking Profile

This data is as of March 31, 2009....

notafriend
i like that one thank you so very much.

yelp is great is you think that the world is populated by 18-25 year old "hotties" that do nothing but review things all day....

Ciao
MS

NASA does use teleconferencing all the time.

Burn,
Sure, there are many companies that use it, but as a percentage, not many. Both parties have to use it as well, so it's probably used more for inter-office instead of inter-company. Also, the migration over to it has been methodical and slow.
Is yours used between different companies?

Good points. Ours is inter-office. I don't think I've ever seen or heard of inter-company teleconferencing other than webex crap.

The 3star of the Comfort, Hampton, Fairfield Inn type not coming down in price yet. Much overbuilding in that sector. Many of their rooms are sold for group price discounts to laborers/contractors/ Nat.Guard or anyone else who is in the area longer term for work assignments; or sold for school trips, also at group pricing.
Meaning, good junk of their current occupancy is not sold at retail,outside of tourist places. And a good amount of the retail customers are 'faithful to the brand' type business travelers, collecting points on the company expense account, while not being too price sensitive.
Very few motels belonging to these chains are found on priceline. Discounts are better where there is a lot of capacity in the higher end, i.e. cities. In Waikiki this probably drives down prices in the middle (older hotels), but not seen that elsewhere much.

Pasta Paradiso at the corner Spear and Howard right near the waterfront is very good quality/value for the price point down there. $10 gets you a very nice dish. Can't beat it for the prices down there. Try to get there by around 11:30am to beat the rush.

There's also a Taylor's burger joint in the Ferry Building. I've never been to that one but the one up in St. Helena is very good.
Slanted Door has moved into the Ferry Building. Not as good as before it moved but their Shaking Beef is very good. Really put Vietnamese high-end cuisine on the map.

BTW If you are interested in Chinese food you will really get the best dim-sum restaurants in the suburbs. Santa Clara, Milpitas, Fremont etc..

@ MS:

LOL - yeah. Trustifarians and narcissists. Still has some usable data in it if you know what you are looking for.

Re: NASA does use teleconferencing all the time.

Why send people on trips to hotels to eat and drink and party when virtually everything can be done on-line? It's a waste of revenue to burn cash on travel trips!

"yelp is great is you think that the world is populated by 18-25 year old "hotties" that do nothing but review things all day...."

Haha you noticed that as well. Amazingly some of the commentators also look like famous Hong Kong actors who are no longer alive.

I wrote a time line of the events of the past couple of years for a story I am writing.It is amazing actually. A lot of bad stuff has happened in a short period of time. I don't step back very often to view the damage already done. Anyone who thinks there is going to be recovery soon is delusional.

One last thought, why send a jet load of people 300 miles away to watch a powerpoint presentation in a room that needs rented, then lunch, dinner, and what, what the friggn hell gets done at a hotel that can't be done from a home?

Intel and some of the other tech companies have almost eliminated business travel, going to laptop meetings. My husband sometimes takes meetings from home, talking to people in Russia, New Hampshire, CA, etc. You almost have to do it because of the time differences in the various teams posted around the world.

"And in other news, Portland's housing inventory (for sale) has dropped to 8.2 months. "

there are desirable brand new see-thru ten + story condo towers all over downtown and an entire condo ghost town region of new condos on the south waterfront. I see less ads than I see visibly empty glass honeycomb units.

Waterfront tends to mean homeless neighbors.

Still, if you like it a little rough, there is going to be a spectacular crash. There will be deals.

Sometimes you do have to go there.

But sometimes not.

"what the friggn hell gets done at a hotel that can't be done from a home? "

Hookers and blow.

"One last thought, why send a jet load of people 300 miles away to watch a powerpoint presentation in a room that needs rented, then lunch, dinner, and what, what the friggn hell gets done at a hotel that can't be done from a home?"

what fun is that? employees have come to expect trips overseas with meals at frighteningly expensive City of London sushi joints and carousing at overpriced pubs. Even lowly programmers like myself.

You can do that stuff at home.

Well, if you live alone.

We switched to online meetings for a lot of our project discussions. It was ok. I surfed CR during them. Then they became a lot more often and started lasting 3 hours. I ignore the meeting notices now most of the time. No one seems to have noticed. That could be bad or it could be good. I am not sure.

Scrooge

Agree with MS on The Pork Store, also check out Mama's in North Beach. It is a tourist spot, but they do have a excellent breakfast.

Few others, Delessio on Market between Gough and Valencia has a great lunch bar. Tommy's Joynt on Van Ness is great and cheap.

A16 in the Marina is great for dinner, or Izzy's Steak and Chop House in the Marina as well. If your down near the ferry building Epic is popular, have eaten the chefs food but not at the restaurant.

Avoid Squat and Gobble, bleh food imho

I don't know about everyone else but I wouldn't travel at all if it weren't for business trips. I simply can't afford it.

Got to go San Diego this year. It was great.

On NASA teleconferences, people continue to work and keep an ear out
for their topic. The hub's office mate is known to telecom, talk on another line,
text and email are pretty much at once.

I'm getting impatient waiting for this big 2nd crash. Will it happen? I've got cash to deploy if/when it does. But I'm afraid tons of other people do too, and the crash will never materialize. Just a long, slow slog downward while people's capital gets slowly eroded away.

Which is why if the grind goes on long enuf, I will really seriously look into
a very cheap condo. With no foreclosures.

But I'm afraid tons of other people do too, and the crash will never materialize. Just a long, slow slog downward while people's capital gets slowly eroded away. - B

Bingo! "Give that man a cigar or coconut, according to choice." - P.G. Wodehouse

southern-

Have not been to the marina and mission one....the one in the haight (next to molotov's) is good...or was last year.

BTW the COMEX thing (above) is just a statement in the gold ETF....it has not been done..yet. It's alot like the Goldman client statement "we have the right to use your trading information in ways that may not be beneficial to you".....

Ciao
MS

Ok, so somebody ask for their gold & see.

Hookers and blow.

you can do that at home

rapunzel (profile) wrote on Fri, 7/17/2009 - 10:53 am

The 3star of the Comfort, Hampton, Fairfield Inn type not coming down in price yet.

They are for short stays in the higher end rooms. This is where I store my family. [Too many rugrats fer a simple room, too much independence for two rooms.]
Anyway, The last Hampton I stayed in (mid Jun) was every other room just north of Boston. The extended stay in Montreal had similar occupancy. The pricing on the margin is indeed deteriorating.

"I'm getting impatient waiting for this big 2nd crash. Will it happen?"

Bearish event tend to happen later than you think and worse than you expect. I surely was expecting a housing crash long, long ago, but I had no I idea that it would take down the investment banks with it.

Ok, so somebody ask for their gold & see.

I don't do Comex trades for this very reason. If you can't hold it, you don't own it.

Hookers and blow.

you can do that at home

No, the wife gets really mad.

lawyer-

people have been and there is a big deal about how they are not getting the bars with the correct serial number's (that Comex has stated they own in storage for them) At some point when enough people do request delivery then they will have a big problem. Has not happened yet.....

Ciao
MS

@scrooge: there are a few flights ...at $500:

A lot of airlines and secondary booking sites advertise that way, citing low prices, and do not inform the potential customer on which dates these cheap tickets are available. The customer (usually me) does not actually find those deals, and when calling the airline, it's a different and higher price altogether, because it is not booked through internet. I looked at your suggested website and flights lax-melbourne for end of july are 900 and up.

Well then, blackjack.

Really, I suspect that outside of SO concerns, one is more inclined to participate in risky behavior when far from home.

Coinz-

Word......

Ciao
MS

Comments from our Vice President:

Vice President Joe Biden: ‘We Have to Go Spend Money to Keep From Going Bankrupt’

We are back into subprime!

Ah Yelp. MS - so right about the "hottie" comment. It's great if you want a list of options within a certain area in SF, but you have take their reviews with a pound of salt. Plus the company's been known to "blackmail" certain retailers into paying for premium content in exchange for adding or removing high or low rated reviews.

Hookers and blow.

you can do that at home

No, the wife gets really mad. - nova

That's very naughty. You should share your toys.

MS (profile) wrote on Fri, 7/17/2009 - 11:07 am
...there is a big deal about how they are not getting the [gold] bars with the correct serial number's (that Comex has stated they own in storage for them) At some point when enough people do request delivery then they will have a big problem. Has not happened yet.....

If true there's no saving the world economy. The knee jerk reaction is to think gold skyrockets but I'm thinking the opposite. There would be people looking for their gold and 200x people who would see their entire net worth wiped out plus. Calvinomics will prevail.

Hey, Gnome, I came late to the party.

May I have 8, please.

"Ah Yelp. MS - so right about the "hottie" comment. It's great if you want a list of options within a certain area in SF, but you have take their reviews with a pound of salt. Plus the company's been known to "blackmail" certain retailers into paying for premium content in exchange for adding or removing high or low rated reviews."

We've had very good luck with hole-in-the-wall type restaurant recommendations in the Bay Area. Haven't tried them for higher-end restaurants though.

wrote a time line of the events of the past couple of years for a story I am writing.It is amazing actually. A lot of bad stuff has happened in a short period of time. I don't step back very often to view the damage already done. Anyone who thinks there is going to be recovery soon is delusional.

Kind of like the frog-in-water thing. You don't realize how much trauma there has been until you step back and see the bigger picture.

At one point in my life, I took some quiz evaluating stress factors in one's life. It was shocking to see on paper that I had been through 5 or so of the most stressful events a human can, all in a year or so. I felt like I was coping fine, but it was a wake up call.

How do you get a reacharound to the treasury if they say no at first ? EASY! Get GS & JPM on board first!!

[CIT /quotes/comstock/13*!cit/quotes/nls/cit (CIT 0.82, +0.41, +99.20%) said late Thursday it's in discussions with potential lenders to secure financing.

The company is in talks with J.P. Morgan Chase /quotes/comstock/13!jpm/quotes/nls/jpm (JPM 36.75, +0.62, +1.71%) , Goldman Sachs /quotes/comstock/13!gs/quotes/nls/gs (GS 156.21, -0.63, -0.40%) and other big banks about possible short-term financing, a person familiar with the situation said. ]

The only kind of physical gold that makes any kind of sense is small denomination gold coins. When the time comes and you you need your gold what exactly are you going to purchase with a 100oz gold bar?

"When the time comes and you you need your gold what exactly are you going to purchase with a 100oz gold bar? "

California.

OK, so with this Comex/GLD thing.....

will it cause

a) GLD to crater, as people get afraid and bail, or

b) GLD to sky, as it becomes scarce, and therefore (even more) decoupled from the metal?

bearly
i might be wrong but wasnt gs and jpm present at both bs and leh?

why is cit rallying?

My guess: People who do not understand capital structure are buying. They see "debt for equity swap" and think "the company is saved!", then equate saved-company to valuable stock.

"what exactly are you going to purchase with a 100oz gold bar?"

Kalifornia?

......"not getting the [gold] bars with the correct serial number's (that Comex has stated they own in storage for them)"

In today's business climate, why would ANYONE with a functioning brain buy anything BUT PHYSICAL GOLD? Help me to understand this, please.

100 oz of anything is impractical. Either do 1oz or 10 oz bars.....coins are ok I suppose but when you buy them you are paying a premium for whatever is stamped on it....and face it, if you need them for barter no one is going care about that damn maple leaf or panda that's on it..IMO

Ciao
MS

how good is info about gold.? can you trust it?

"How do you get a reacharound to the treasury if they say no at first ? EASY! Get GS & JPM on board first!!"

Seems the best plan would be to go to the boss in the first place.

The BFF Poll is CLOSED.
I will conduct the BFF poll next week from 8am until Noon EST.
Sorry to those who couldn't participate this week and I thank those that could!
Smile

"If you are at all interested in gxxd, why would you buy paper?
so people are starting to want to take delivery, hunh?"

I have no idea what is going to go down. Something will or it won't. Meanwhile we have collapse. I think there was a major catharsis among the first viewers of the collapse, namely economics blog readers, that the whole country is due to experience. My denial lasted for months. Our way of life is not sustainable and we have a culture of denial. Big changes are coming because we have pump failure in our inflated economy.

The implications of important things get lost when diffused by an infinite soup of other things. Then big changes appear "all of a sudden". No, the realization occurs all of a sudden. The changes were already there.

Marshall McCluhan said understand the future by looking around you right now. You are in the future. This is so because perception lags reality.

My brain says substituting paper GLD garbage shares for the actual metal, for which they sold contracts, is a default no matter how many ways you rename, legalize or formalize it.

Imagine if this was done with cars.

But boo! who cares. In the larger scheme of things we are facing currency default in some form or another. The particulars will unfold in strange and unpredictable directions but the story ends in the same place. Th major drop in wealth coming will catch many people totally in denial. They aren't going to care about this conspiracy of that one afterward.

I second MS...........that's why junk silver is so popular - everyone knows what it is and is in small enough increments to work for barter.

The only thing that keeps the ETF close to the underlying value is that shares can be exchanged for the underlying basket (in GLD case, gold). To keep admin costs down, they make you exchange big numbers (like 50000 shares.) You can also create shares the same way.

So if comex delivers GLD, the right thing to do is exchange GLD for gold. Doesn't help the bit players tho.

full disclosure: I haven't read GLD prospectus, so I don't know what restrictions they put on the exchange for metal.

Re GLD, seems even people who are buying as a backup still want to believe that a piece of paper will represent something tangible. Even though they are 'feared of the 'dollar' piece of paper....maybe GLD is magical somehow.

RockyR (profile) wrote on Fri, 7/17/2009 - 11:17 am replyIgnore userwhy is cit rallying?

Just a guess... CNBC?
Or a blind gamble on a weekend bailout because it's just so darn cheap. Like when when BAC was under $3.
Or perhaps the gamble isn't so blind...
Or what JP said.

well, i guess that means no bk announcement today.

BFF = 0, they will grade on a curve.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - CIT Group Inc is in talks with JPMorgan Chase & Co and Goldman Sachs Group Inc about short-term financing as it looks for ways to avoid bankruptcy, a source close to the company said on Friday, sending the lender's shares and bonds up.

CIT -- a 101-year-old lender that services nearly one million small and mid-sized businesses -- is in search of $2 billion to $3 billion of financing, according to the source, who declined to be identified because the talks were private.

"no one is going care about that damn maple leaf or panda that's on it..IMO"

Well that stamp signifies a recognizable quantity and quality. And I agree with Otis, the only reason to go PM is the hedge against TEOWAWKI/Mad Max. Otherewise, a nice mix of commodities is a better inflation hedge and not as subject to manipulation.

Joanna,

You appearing here is scary. I associate you with major collapses...

" scone (profile) wrote on Fri, 7/17/2009 - 1:27 pm

"To all the girl-boys scone's loved, before.... who traveled in and out his/her door..." - YTL

That's interesting- where does it come from? However, full disclosure, I am a girl. A DNA girl. At least, I think so! Smile"

Take the test:
SparkLife

BTW, it's from a Willie Nelson song

Can I be a source?

So I can trade accordingly?

Magic.

Or fraud.

@JP,

You can't convert GLD shares to physical. It is clear in the prospectus. There is also no guarantee that GLD holds enough physical to match the shares sold.

They supposedly buy/sell as needed to resolve changes, but in no case can you convert GLD to the real thing.

BSR-

Can't help you...I didn't...that's why I have Kruggies (and they are the most widely circulated coin ever). Alot of them have trace amounts of cocaine on them....sort of tells you what they were used for......

as I stated yesterday...if/when any stock, PM or market traded instrument goes ballistic.....how are you going to trade it if it is A) Ask only B) Spreads are so HUGE you could end up selling it for less than you paid for it.?

I suspect that is what we will get if/when we get these often-rumored bank holidays on the very next trading day after.

Options market does it on a smaller scale every single day.

Ciao
MS

I took that test before. I am a transgender panda.

"So if comex delivers GLD, the right thing to do is exchange GLD for gold. Doesn't help the bit players tho."

Of course, Comex might be one of the gold holding subcontractors...

  1. Sell glod shares.
  2. Get money.
  3. Buy glod.

There.

@ cinco - it won't let me unless I register

@ joanna --welcome back! Hope the critters are doing fine!

"sort of tells you what they were used for......"

Business meetings?

Joanna,

You appearing here is scary. I associate you with major collapses...

I hope not, but when I get more ansty than usual, I start checking my indicators. CR is a wonderful aggregator for a certain "vibe". And I've been knee deep in farm infrastructure, trying to diversify my holdings, so to speak. Now it's time to start checking the windvane for which direction trouble is likely to come from next.

Not that I want anything to collapse anytime soon, but if it's going to, I want it to happen while I can still hoe arow and hit what I aim for.

Joanna--ken has graciously provided a In Vino Veritas icon.

"Otherewise, a nice mix of commodities is a better inflation hedge and not as subject to manipulation. "

Ha...EVERYTHING is manipulated. So how do you sell said commodities that you don't physically own? This is not an inflation play for me BTW

See post at 11:25am

Ciao
MS

Oh yeah! Wine tonight for sure.

I'm still getting used to the "new" comments regime, and haven't explored the smileys yet.

My co-workers call me Stormcrow....how cute of them Wink

Yeah Cinco-X, my wife and I took the test too....let's say we were made for each other...some of the questions I object to by the way...I don't carry anything in my pockets, doesn't mean I carry a purse...but overall it is nice to know who wears the pants in the family, guess I will start shopping for a dress...lol, back to the vacuum.

Little blip on the COMEX deal by Jesse at Jesse's Cafe Americain

Jesse's Café Américain: Paper, Scissors, Gold

Is GLD really the same as physical bullion?

"...it appears that a lot of investors believe and trust that investing in GLD is the same thing as buying physical gold bullion. A close reading and analysis of the GLD Prospectus, however, reveals that investing in GLD is drastically different from owning gold. This analysis will show why GLD is nothing more than another form of a derivative security which is loaded with counter-party default risk."
Owning GLD Can Be Hazardous to Your Wealth

Here is a recent statement from Dennis Gartman who most often derides those he calls 'goldbugs.'
"To finish, we do agree that recent decisions to allow for the "delivery" of ETF shares in the stead of actual physical gold against a futures position does cause us some concern. Indeed, it causes us some very real concern, for if we stand for delivery of wheat we expect to receive wheat, not paper. The same holds true for delivery processes on the COMEX, and if GATA and the "Bugs" have a complaint it is this new decision by the COMEX. On this, we’ll grant that the "Bugs" have something to complain about." Dennis Gartman in The Gartman Letter

" Blackhalo (homepage, profile) wrote on Fri, 7/17/2009 - 2:05 pm

"I'm getting impatient waiting for this big 2nd crash. Will it happen?"

Bearish event tend to happen later than you think and worse than you expect. I surely was expecting a housing crash long, long ago, but I had no I idea that it would take down the investment banks with it."

I'd add that the longer it takes, the worse it seems to be, i.e., if we'd let the S&L fail during or right after the Carter administration, it would have been much less expensive that paying for it during Bush41, and consequently suffering the results of the DOT.COM crash which were in part brought on by the policies meant to help us recover from the S&L crash, which then somewhat resulted in the housing crash, and so on. Left a little bit out-

Good thing A-Rod is making $25M per year...

New York Yankee Alexander Rodriguez cuts the price of his mansion in Coral Gables, Fla., to $9.9 million from $14.9 million. If a buyer doesn’t surface, Mr. Rodriguez is willing to rent out the home for $25,000 a month. He and his estranged wife, Cynthia, paid $12 million for the home in 2004.

They supposedly buy/sell as needed to resolve changes, but in no case can you convert GLD to the real thing.

I'm stunned. Then what keeps the ETF price in equilibrium with the underlying metal?

Out of curiousity...anyone here use Eurostat data? That site has managed to give me possibly the worst headache Ive ever had.

If any of you are watching the daily on CIT......if that is not a stop raid at the top of the hour then I am Mary Queen of Scotts.

Weekend Happy News on CIT at about 6pm EST.....Sunday

Ciao
MS

" scone (profile) wrote on Fri, 7/17/2009 - 2:11 pm

Hookers and blow.

you can do that at home

No, the wife gets really mad. - nova

That's very naughty. You should share your toys."

Nova doesn't want THAT kind of three-some Wink

Reminds me of the scene in Catch 22 where the plane is going down, and the parachute has been replaced by a share

Hey Scone!
Critters are doing great. We're honing the farm down to the best return for lowest input. I love it!

I made it through a major shakeup at the Uni, so a bit more time to peek at CR, especially on BFF.

"I'm stunned. Then what keeps the ETF price in equilibrium with the underlying metal? "

Massive accounting fraud......we've seen this movie before. The underlying price of the ETF gets wider against spot with each move up. See USO last year.....

Ciao
MS

" nova (homepage, profile) wrote on Fri, 7/17/2009 - 2:25 pm

I took that test before. I am a transgender panda."

Well.....then maybe you DO want that kind of three-some Wink

"if we'd let the S&L fail during or right after the Carter administration"

Carter? Had the S&Ls even been deregulated at that time?

[bearly
i might be wrong but wasnt gs and jpm present at both bs and leh? ]

Of course! That's how the treasury got on board. Works like a charm.

nova is a good and loyal husband. A friend to the outcast. A petter of stray dogs.

" scone (profile) wrote on Fri, 7/17/2009 - 2:28 pm

@ cinco - it won't let me unless I register"

Make up a dummy address at rocketmail.com, register, and take the test. Piece of cake. I'll bet you'd a dude. Strong independent women often score that way.

Coinz, I'm not sure you're correct. Creation and redemption of shares is covered starting on pg 25 here. Indeed, without some exchange with the underlying security, all ETFs are worthless.

BTW: It looks like shares can only be created and redeemed in 100,000 share quantities, and you have to have a "Bullion Account". So like I said, bit players not welcome.

Seven Trees' PM "strategy" - small gold coinses, even though they cost more, because if you really need to swap them for something you want a brand name attached. And vintage sterling flatware. Because I like eating off old silver, and they weigh a lot and are fairly cheap on Ebay.

From FDIC Quarterly Banking Profile

Number of FDIC reporting banks has dropped from 8790 in 2006 to 8256 in 2008. Where did all of those 734 banks go? They didn't all fail. Is there that much M&A activity?

I imagine Geithner's trying to save CIT in the way Hank Paulson "saved" Bear Stearns. Was GS mentioned in that article someone referred to a few posts back?

" Blackhalo (homepage, profile) wrote on Fri, 7/17/2009 - 2:34 pm

"if we'd let the S&L fail during or right after the Carter administration"

Carter? Had the S&Ls even been deregulated at that time?"

Their economic problems started then. Reagan "solved" the problem by deregulating them so that they could "grow their way" out of it. In hindsight, a really bad idea, even from a free market perspective.

BTW, their problems were essentially cause by holding mortgages at 6% funded with money borrowed (from their members) at 18% under Volker.

MS: USO is wacky because the underlying is contracts, not physical. iirc.

Some of the ETF's I've seen are nothing more than a very few sector based shares and the rest is tied to T-notes. There was one technology one (can't recall the symbol) that had 10% in one stock-and it was supposed to be sector based and the rest in medium term T-notes. But you wouldn't know that unless you read the prospectus.

Ciao
MS

nova is a good and loyal husband. A friend to the outcast. A petter of stray dogs. - nova

Petting? With dogs? Kinky.

CR what does BFF stand for. Thank you.

I'm getting impatient waiting for this big 2nd crash. Will it happen?

I know a lot of people that opened hundreds of thousands in Certificate of Deposits last fall after the crash. When the anniversary comes, if people have enough confidence in the real economy and decide not to roll over the CDs, or if the FDIC doesn't extend the temporary deposit limits, we could be looking at another round of destabilization.

Nincompoop, you could mouse over for the glossary.

"Some of the ETF's I've seen are nothing more than a very few sector based shares and the rest is tied to T-notes. There was one technology one (can't recall the symbol) that had 10% in one stock-and it was supposed to be sector based and the rest in medium term T-notes. But you wouldn't know that unless you read the prospectus.
Ciao
MS"

Which is exactly why my safe money is in CDs and short-term Treasuries via treasurydirect.

You would be amazed what sort of dreck is in many "safe" etfs/mutual funds if you look at the prospectus.

No it doesn't. Don't lie to him.

It stands for Big Fat Fajitos which is what we all eat on Friday in celebration of St Paulson and his visitation to us.

"Ha...EVERYTHING is manipulated."

But everything at once, seems harder to achieve. For PM's, the physical in hand, is the way to go IMHO. Otherwise, I doubt it outperforms a basket of commodities. Still, as others have posted in TEOWAWKI/Mad Max, I doubt it outperforms lead and cold blue steel.

Nova, I'm looking forward to buying your book.

Still, as others have posted in TEOWAWKI/Mad Max, I doubt it outperforms lead and cold blue steel.

WHich is why diversification is important, even in metals....

"When the anniversary comes, if people have enough confidence in the real economy and decide not to roll over the CDs, or if the FDIC doesn't extend the temporary deposit limits, we could be looking at another round of destabilization. "

Looking at the FDIC link that some kind soul posted, FDIC insured deposits increased from Q1 to Q2.

Blogger 1 - Goldman 0

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Goldman Sachs Group Inc has quietly reached an agreement to end a legal dispute with a blogger who will be allowed to keep running a website critical of the investment bank.

The agreement required blogger Michael Morgan to post a disclaimer on his goldmansachs666.com website, saying it has no affiliation with the financial firm.
Smile

You know, I bet CIT does not fail. I think GS and the last big Ibanks have successfully transitioned to the new prebailout strategy.

First, Pick a financial institution that is in trouble. Short stock and bonds big time to create an aura of failure.

Second, start selling massive amounts of CDS insurance and puts that are very low.

Third, quietly cover the stock and bond shorts. Sell more CDS to the hedge funds looking for easy money.

Fourth, white knight time providing capital (already skinned out of the buyers of CDS and puts) to the target company.

Fifth, laugh all the way to the payout counter, having skinned the smart money again, and doing the Fed's bidding by propping up companies that are almost TBTF.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

GS's new profit model.

Someday this war's gonna end...

HomeGnome,
Next week it will be "in other news a new web site goldmansachswearelegion launched today..."

blackhalo
limits extended to dec 2013 then drop back to 100k

homegnome
bet he didnt have any trouble with disclaimer tho why with that 666 on the end told everyone that wasnt gs

From BLoomberg (not sure if this was posted), related to the impending CIT Bankruptcy:

"Urban Outfitters Says It Would Consider Lending to Its Vendors"

So essentially, URBN would be paying its vendors up front, instead of waiting 90 days to pay them???

Urban Outfitters Says It May Mull Lending to Vendors (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

July 17 (Bloomberg) -- Urban Outfitters Inc., the clothing and housewares retailer, may consider providing short-term financing to some of its vendors should CIT Group Inc. collapse.
...
About 7 percent of Urban Outfitters’ vendor base gets short-term financing from CIT, according to the chain’s chief financial officer, John Kyees. The Philadelphia-based retailer has been in talks with Wells Fargo & Co. about taking over its short-term financing and also has the cash to pay vendors directly if needed, Kyees said yesterday in a telephone interview.

“We look at it as an opportunity because the money that we have invested today is in very secure paper that’s really getting not much of a return,” Kyees said. “If we took some of that and used it to factor some invoices, we could probably pick up some income.”

The irony is killing me!!
Right now I am checking in archive copies of congressional hearings re: market risk, regulation, monetary policy, etc. from '08 Awful! All the hot air and nonsense, and here we are.....

"But everything at once, seems harder to achieve"

All I need to do is point to the market performance since early march. Comms., equities, PM's, Bonds, T-Notes, have all been manipulated-on a massive scale- in one form or another since then. It's not that hard if you direct enough capital to the right area's. Pimco decided to play along with the bond market which is one of the only reasons we have not had the big crash yet.

It's all manipulated...just depends on which side you see it from.

Ciao
MS

Indeed, it causes us some very real concern, for if we stand for delivery of wheat we expect to receive wheat, not paper.

I know exactly what he means.

One of our local pizza places brings broken pieces of baked pizza dough to the table as a free appetizer. (Sounds silly, but with a bit of garlic and some oil it's not bad.) One day I bit into my piece of dough and found myself chewing on a brown paper napkin that had somehow been baked into the pizza crust. It was exactly the same color as the toasted dough--I could see why they didn't notice it once it had fallen in.

But as the man says, I expected to receive wheat, not paper.

not exactly new, the hedgies were shorting and selling CDS last fall and february, but goldman's taking it to a higher level. the trick is to force a ratings downgrade, which forces many institutional investors to unload.

incidentally last fall the theory was that retail banking would be a MNC's source of strength, especially with deposits paying nearly 0%. JPM, C, and BAC have shown that's definitely not the case. the money's still with the i-bank, with the exception of MER.

"If true there's no saving the world economy. The knee jerk reaction is to think gold skyrockets but I'm thinking the opposite. There would be people looking for their gold and 200x people who would see their entire net worth wiped out plus. Calvinomics will prevail."

That was my thought initially. That a collapse in GLD would be mistaken, or programmed into the media feed, as signaling investor sentiment in the metal when really it was fraud or excessive supply of "shares".

The destruction of GLD investors could turn sentiment against the metal. The wild card is what happens if currency default triggers the comex run that triggers substitution of GLD raffle tickets.

I am so fucking sick of GS, & JPM harvesting vast sums of capital & destroying the country while the real economy craters I can't stand it.

Guess they are going to let me be Mary Queen of Scotts....... CIT
It did bounce after that little dip at 2pm.....enough for somebody big to get out.

Ciao
MS

"will it cause

a) GLD to crater, as people get afraid and bail, or

b) GLD to sky, as it becomes scarce, and therefore (even more) decoupled from the metal?"

GLD and SLV sell at a discount to their NAV.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_H2DePAZe2gA/SldgC1gAXRI/AAAAAAAAJX8/H2R8MDYfJcY/s1600-h/nav.PNG

Number of FDIC reporting banks has dropped from 8790 in 2006 to 8256 in 2008. Where did all of those 734 banks go?

  • check yer maths.

Otishertz,

which one?

American Armageddon

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