Economists themselves, like most specialists, normally suffer from a kind of metaphysical blindness, assuming that theirs is a science of absolute and invariable truths, without any presuppositions. Some go as far as to claim that economic laws are as free from "metaphysics" or "values" as the law of gravitation. We need not, however, get involved in arguments of methodology. Instead, let us take some fundamentals and see what they look like when viewed by a modern economist and a Buddhist economist
I worked for a person who was so concerned with growing his sales thirty percent to get his bonus that he was actively destroying his existing accounts. In one quarter we lost an account worth 10X that bonus. Too much greed, too much ignorance, too much alpha.
As Ghost says, all these CMBS and CDO ratings are irrelevant as long as Ben will take them with US taxpayer support (indirect us taxpayer support of course) - nothing really matters as price discovery will occur long after most of us have died - lucifer being the exception
From previous:
" ghostfaceinvestah (profile) wrote on Tue, 7/14/2009 - 2:48 pm
"Would inflation be a flat tax?"
Inflation is effectively a consumption tax, which is regressive on income. "
Actually, it's a tax on assets, particularly money. If you have $100 in the bank and 100% inflation, $50 of your spending power has disappeared after a year. The tax portion comes in that your wages need to increase to compensate, and you eventually begin to experience bracket creep.
Not One Cent says it better than me:
"Inflation taxes consumption less than savings.
Inflation taxes, from most to least:
Savings
Consumption
Debt
The purpose of inflation from FDR to Bernanke is to make consumption a better bargain than savings to a rational actor."
Actually, there are a number of purposes, but too much to deal with here and now.............
Off-topic - looks like the Arizona legislature did do something last month besides allow concealed weapons in bars:
Governor Brewer has signed a change to Arizona’s anti-deficiency law in the trustee’s sale statute – A.R.S. Section 33-814(G).
The change will affect borrowers that did not live in the property for at least 6 consecutive months. The anti-deficiency rule that formerly prevented a lender from seeking a deficiency or suing directly on the note will no longer apply to many residential investment properties.
Economists themselves, like most specialists, normally suffer from a kind of metaphysical blindness...
I was reading some of Thomas De Quincey's stuff this weekend (ironically to get away from economics) and picked out the following quotes.
Apparently economics has not changed at all in 200 years:
"I had been led in 1811 to look into loads of books and pamphlets on many branches of economy; and, at my desire, M. sometimes read to me chapters from more recent works, or parts of parliamentary debates. I saw that these were generally the very dregs and rinsings of the human intellect; and that any man of sound head, and practised in wielding logic with a scholastic adroitness, might take up the whole academy of modern economists, and throttle them between heaven and earth with his finger and thumb, or bray their fungus-heads to powder with a lady's fan."
I think this quote captures, in a single sentence, the essence of the crisis we face today:
"How easily a man who has never been in any great distress may pass through life without knowing, in his own person at least, anything of the possible goodness of the human heart -- or, as I must add with a sigh, of its possible vileness."
This quote has a lot of personal significance to me:
"I can tell them to go, and they go ---, but sometimes they come when I don't tell them to come."
unfortunately we confuse the more common 'clever' with the less common 'intelligent'."
And of course, both with wisdom. More telling though, we confuse charismatic with desirable.
I hear Vegas is taking odds for which city of the world will be razed first this August or September...so someone fill me in, what is happening at the end of August that changes the current equation? Is it just the summer is ending, or are some numbers coming out that are too big to deny? I am joking about the razing of course, just keep hearing, especially from gold bugs that end of August, things come unglued. Don't understand why...
"
Vonbek777 (profile) wrote on Tue, 7/14/2009 - 3:14 pm
I hear Vegas is taking odds for which city of the world will be razed first this August or September...so someone fill me in, what is happening at the end of August that changes the current equation? Is it just the summer is ending, or are some numbers coming out that are too big to deny? I am joking about the razing of course, just keep hearing, especially from gold bugs that end of August, things come unglued. Don't understand why..."
If you'd been wearing your tin foil cap, you'd know. That said, some bloggers have been predicting market dislocations about that time.
just keep hearing, especially from gold bugs that end of August, things come unglued. Don't understand why...
Physical delivery, and the coming of the white buffalo have become intertwinned in many gold bugs mind. Just because we are in the end tymes when the great Sioux chief "Meyer" is going to return is no reason for the hoarding of gold.
Bloomberg interviewed one his direct descendants who shared this bit of knowledge for free with the many pale skinned viewers:
In a speech to the Chamber of Commerce in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said July 14 that U.S. government policies are consistent with a “strong dollar,” and he pledged that the United States would take steps to rein in its borrowing, Bloomberg reported. “The United States was on an unsustainable fiscal path before this crisis, and we will not succeed in establishing sustainable recovery without a credible commitment to address our long-term deficits,” Geithner said. After leaving Jeddah, he is scheduled to visit the city of Yanbu to attend an economic development event with King Abdullah."
//Governor Brewer has signed a change to Arizona’s anti-deficiency law in the trustee’s sale statute – A.R.S. Section 33-814(G).
The change will affect borrowers that did not live in the property for at least 6 consecutive months. The anti-deficiency rule that formerly prevented a lender from seeking a deficiency or suing directly on the note will no longer apply to many residential investment properties. //
Can they do that after the fact? What if the loan docs say nonrecourse?
It looks like the market is open now. Someone is buying obscure or recently hammered mining companies.
Nevsun got some financing, stock up 27%
Ivanhoe up almost 4% for no apparent reason - maybe they got their Mongolian project approved.
Quick update. I'm getting closer to launching my new business - a rantings agency.
Nobody trusts the ratings agencies or the banks anymore so I figure the market for rants is going to boom.
SInce the new ranting biz will have zero income for as far as the eye can see, I expect it will be a huge user of debt. New debt will always be needed to pay interest on older debt - just what our credit eCONomy needs.
The nuts and bolts don't matter. Credit expansion is wealth.
I don't read most of the gold news. That must be why I missed it. I sleep in my tinfoil hat though, so I was surprised that I was caught unaware on this one. Will have to snoot around sometime.
I've been wearing my 'tribute' baseball cap, with the American flag on the front.
Seriously, if there's to be a dislocation that isn't so much of a crap shoot, it's the coming of H1N1 this fall, and even that is not a certainty. If it happens, it will even shut Wall Street down.
CMBS analysis from Citi this afternon indicates non-S&P rated bonds are trading at s+300bps while S&P bonds are more like s+600. Yikes!
"...non-S&P watchlisted bonds have been trading inside of swaps plus 300bp in the past couple of days. Pretty amazing that S&P thinks similar dupers they rate should be rated A+ to BBB+ under their new methodology.
Unfortunately, this methodology with the implementation of TALF really will create a tiering of bonds by rating-agency. Again, as we discuss in the attached article, if they have changed their methodology in such a significant manner since they originally rated the pools, maybe they should investigate if they could offer to withdraw their ratings of the various affected pools."
Inflation taxes, from most to least:
Savings
Consumption
Debt
The purpose of inflation from FDR to Bernanke is to make consumption a better bargain than savings to a rational actor.
Savings is a form of decision deferment - you defer your consumption decisions to some future time. The reason you do this is because the information you have about what your needs will be in that future time is limited. If you had a perfect, clairvoyant understanding of your life from the moment of your birth, there would be no need to save. You could purchase all of your meals in advance, perhaps through option contracts or some similar instrument. You could know in advance that you would get cancer at 43, you would need certain medical treatments at a certain price at that time and so on.
This is not how we live because we have less than perfect information about our future consumption and needs. As a thought experiment, consider a life where information about future needs is at absolute zero - one day you may be a starving beggar, the next a king, the next in need of a root canal, the next in need of nothing, etc. In this scenario, where absolutely nothing can be ascertained except one's current needs and the fact that one's future needs are unknowable, one is incentivized to cover only the bare minimal needs of the day and save the rest for whatever might happen in a tomorrow where you may experience plenty or abject poverty and starvation. Needless to say, this would lead to a pretty slow economy, and a miserable existence.
Plug this dynamic of unknown-future:saving::known-future :spending into the idea that inflation acts as a disincentive to saving by giving a discount to present expenditures and a penalty to deferred expenditures. Realize that inflation and monetary policy will be utterly ineffective as an incentive to spend if the state of society and the economy is so unpredictable and chaotic that it makes more sense to save against a totally unknown future, even at a steep penalty, than to spend today and die tomorrow of starvation. Maximize the chaos and monetary policy is utterly ineffective as an incentive to spend now rather than later.
The other dynamic that this displays is the contrary condition -- where there is a great deal of certainty about one's future needs, and your information about your future needs are very certain, your need to save is reduced. You can spend more now - if you know food will be provided by the government, you can buy a house to live in in the future knowing you won't starve to death in it. If you know your medical needs are taken care of, you will leave less aside in a rainy day fund to cover an emergency cancer or accident. This leads to my own conclusion that:
Social safety nets and other stabilizers which provide a more perfect informational picture of the future to a rational consumer are a superior way of discouraging saving than the imperfect, unjust, and confiscatory tools of inflation.
"Social safety nets and other stabilizers which provide a more perfect informational picture of the future to a rational consumer are a superior way of discouraging saving than the imperfect, unjust, and confiscatory tools of inflation."
Given sufficient social solidarity deflation is survivable. Inflation is the solvent of societies.
In a scathing expose of Goldman (has Goldman suddenly become the media's punching bag), Gasparino gets yanked off the air for telling it how it is. Chaz concludes by telling CNBC to stop protecting Goldman (fast forward to the 3 minute mark). Crickets ensue as MC Cabrera pulls off her b(r)est Blue Steel impersonation.
Hoop: Social safety nets and other stabilizers which provide a more perfect informational picture of the future to a rational consumer are a superior way of discouraging saving than the imperfect, unjust, and confiscatory tools of inflation.
The Global War on Savers uses both inflation and the welfare state to be extra sure.
They can only be used if the two parties (long and short) agree to it. If the holder of the long position wishes, he can still take actual physical delivery. I don't really understand the big deal with this- most contracts are settled in cash anyway.
Social safety nets and other stabilizers which provide a more perfect informational picture of the future to a rational consumer are a superior way of discouraging saving than the imperfect, unjust, and confiscatory tools of inflation.
With what is going on in places like CA now, I think we're increasingly getting to the point where nobody is going to believe that the government can effectively provide "social safety nets".
A side of to much social safety nets creates a false sense of risk and laziness. How much can we cover before it becomes enabling? I think we have well passed the line.
The Global War on Savers uses both inflation and the welfare state to be extra sure.
I can't imagine why anybody would start a business in the US now. I'm dead serious about this.
Now that I'm finally getting to the point where I have the financial means to employ other people and create a wealth-producing business, I've completely lost interest in doing so. This is something I've wanted to do all my life. No more.
Why would anybody work hard and take extreme risks to give away all the rewards?
Best to stay at home and do nothing, or relocate to a different country.
A side of to much social safety nets creates a false sense of risk and laziness. How much can we cover before it becomes enabling? I think we have well passed the line.
Exactly. Let's cut the banks and corporations loose. No more government subsidies, including mineral rights. These welfare queens have gotten too lazy.
I have a very basic question - is a mortgage-based security (in principle as opposed to reality) based on the anticipated appreciation in value of the property, on the supposed revenue stream it will generate, or both, or one or the other, or neither?
If neither is the answer, what the hell does generate the return for an MBS?
Az is (was) a nonrecourse state. I think and have seen loan docs that specificly state non-recourse. I have not seen a ton of any loan docs but do remember seeing the nonrecourse clause in a few.
Per ZH, the FRB has yanked down the swap lines from $600B to $100B. I think the AIG payouts allowed this to happen. Otherwise Deutsche Bank, UBS, and others would have collapsed.
Sorry to keep responding to you, but I'm with you on the investing thing. Have more money than I really need, could be an investor in a number of things, but just content to sit in mostly cash for a good period to come. I just can't figure out the scam.
Money is the raw material of banks. The price of said raw material is manipulated by the fed.
If the fed lowered the price of raw materials (say steel for the auto industry) to zero, I'm sure every manufacturer in the country could suddenly post record profits.
Goldman is a sham. The biggest gov't grifter of them all.
Hoopajoops LTD (homepage, profile) wrote on Tue, 7/14/2009 - 3:35 pm
Savings is a form of decision deferment - you defer your consumption decisions to some future time. The reason you do this is because the information you have about what your needs will be in that future time is limited. If you had a perfect, clairvoyant understanding of your life from the moment of your birth, .......
Social safety nets and other stabilizers which provide a more perfect informational picture of the future to a rational consumer are a superior way of discouraging saving than the imperfect, unjust, and confiscatory tools of inflation."
To late Hoops all levels of corruption will have their effect including the welfare queens. They are there to take just like the evil corps and the rest. Who was suppose to be watching the store?
The states can not afford it. I suppose the gov could make grants to states to help keep the safety net functioning somewhat. Something like this:
Fairfax County, VA July 13, 2009
Today the county board approved funding for the "Cone" program. People who previously would have been housed at county homeless shelters will now be issued a red plastic traffic cone. County Supervisor Mark Delantis, spoke about this program at a news conference today.
"These cones will be important to homeless of any kind. People who sleep in their cars will now be able to reserve popular parking spots near the mall. Those with out a vehicle will find them extremely handy for reserving the right tree."
Also announced was the closing of all shelters due to lack of funding.
Sorry to keep responding to you, but I'm with you on the investing thing. Have more money than I really need, could be an investor in a number of things, but just content to sit in mostly cash for a good period to come. I just can't figure out the scam.
It's coming from all sides.
This is why I characterize the situation as "moral collapse":
Everybody seems to be in a race to take everybody elses stuff. This includes private business, government, individuals... etc.
IMO the best strategy in this environment is not to have any stuff and not to make the effort to get any.
To be honest, S&P should get some credit for finally trying to be current (not ahead) with reality. They are still largely behind on RMBS and Subprime, but this move is actually ahead of losses (behind on expectations), as the losses are unlikely to hit these super senior classes for 5-7 years.
Not only that, but S&P's assumptions are pretty severe, even by my standards, and I'm a super CRE bear.
WWNM - thanks for the response. So, I think you are saying that the bond is so far removed from the base (the revenue stream of $1,000/month) that it becomes a simple betting game, like betting the person opposite that a card will come up red or black, and, so long as there is someone willing to play the game without stopping to collect winnings, it can go on?
If your response gets pigged, that's fine, I'm just realizing how little I understand any of this.
"Social safety nets and other stabilizers which provide a more perfect informational picture of the future to a rational consumer are a superior way of discouraging saving than the imperfect, unjust, and confiscatory tools of inflation."
Well said. There's a puritan backlash to such thought in the U.S. -- encourages laziness, etc. -- but don't recent articles hold that the Euros are as productive as we are? And even Taiwan and Japan were able to handle nation health care.
If we had educational costs, health care costs, and a certain view of what retirement benefits in this country will handle in the future, all bets would be off. It wouldn't just be about spending freely or sitting on your duff. It'd also be about the freedom to take risks. To start a new business and know that failure wouldn't hurt your kids' health care or educational prospects. It'd be huge.
I worked for a person who was so concerned with growing his sales thirty percent to get his bonus that he was actively destroying his existing accounts. In one quarter we lost an account worth 10X that bonus. Too much greed, too much ignorance, too much alpha.
Yep. On one job we had bonuses paid on new business written, so one guy had a few large accounts that he managed to write and lose in alternate years, over and over...he'd write an account in '98, lose it in '99, win it back in '00 etc. It wouldn't surprise me to find out he had a buddy at another brokerage that was winning the account in the odd years and contriving to lose it back, thus maximizing the bonuses for both of them.
It may make a certain amount of sense to treat corporations as collections of profit-maximizing rational individuals, but thinking of them as if they were themselves such individuals is absurd.
@ Pellice - the bond collects monthly fixed income payments from borrowers of the commercial real estate. If the borrower stops paying the fixed amount, the bond holders take and sell the property.
It is only slightly more complicated taking into account the way investors structure and trade the investments, but the basic concept is very simple. I would not classify it as a betting game exactly, though there is certainly risk.
In an attempt to retain some sort of credibility, rather than do what all the ratings agencies did with RMBS which was to whittle down ratings as losses grew progressively worse, S&P took the hatchet to bonds they had once rated AAA based on CRE prices having come down at least 30%. If prices are down 30%, your bond's credit enhancement is eventually down 30% (feel free to argue the point with me) so you don't deserve a AAA rating. I applaud their taking action to make these bonds non-TALF eligible before they ended up in taxpayer hands
How do these folks manage to stay ahead of the curve so consistently?
Does S&P still have any credibility left?
Would you eat at a restaurant that S&P certified as safe?
Sure this will work:
Paris launches smile campaign to woo tourists
China Bans Electroshock Therapy for Internet Addiction
Lots of off the wall stories out there in the news today, must be to match the insanity of Wall St.
It's all about timing.
I'll post it for the umpteenth time.
The E. F. Schumacher Society • Buddhist Economics
Economists themselves, like most specialists, normally suffer from a kind of metaphysical blindness, assuming that theirs is a science of absolute and invariable truths, without any presuppositions. Some go as far as to claim that economic laws are as free from "metaphysics" or "values" as the law of gravitation. We need not, however, get involved in arguments of methodology. Instead, let us take some fundamentals and see what they look like when viewed by a modern economist and a Buddhist economist
I worked for a person who was so concerned with growing his sales thirty percent to get his bonus that he was actively destroying his existing accounts. In one quarter we lost an account worth 10X that bonus. Too much greed, too much ignorance, too much alpha.
oh noes! Not the Super Dupers!
As Ghost says, all these CMBS and CDO ratings are irrelevant as long as Ben will take them with US taxpayer support (indirect us taxpayer support of course) - nothing really matters as price discovery will occur long after most of us have died - lucifer being the exception
broward,
hubris is my favorite sin and people with 'degrees' from famous universities are very often full of it.
From previous:
" ghostfaceinvestah (profile) wrote on Tue, 7/14/2009 - 2:48 pm
"Would inflation be a flat tax?"
Inflation is effectively a consumption tax, which is regressive on income. "
Actually, it's a tax on assets, particularly money. If you have $100 in the bank and 100% inflation, $50 of your spending power has disappeared after a year. The tax portion comes in that your wages need to increase to compensate, and you eventually begin to experience bracket creep.
Not One Cent says it better than me:
"Inflation taxes consumption less than savings.
Inflation taxes, from most to least:
Savings
Consumption
Debt
The purpose of inflation from FDR to Bernanke is to make consumption a better bargain than savings to a rational actor."
Actually, there are a number of purposes, but too much to deal with here and now.............
Nemo (homepage, profile) wrote on Tue, 7/14/2009 - 2:52 pm reply Ignore user How do these folks manage to stay ahead of the curve so consistently?
allowed to carry off sheet, these will be traded soon i am betting...
Clever person = I know
Intelligent person = There is much that I do not know
unfortunately we confuse the more common 'clever' with the less common 'intelligent'.
Here is an example: GSMS 2007-GG10 A4's (super senior with 30% credit support) were taken from AAA to BBB-.
I thought the plan was to take them from AAA to TALF to BBB-.
Man, I am so glad we got rating agencies that can tell us things we already know.
Dryfly is the bomb!
Off-topic - looks like the Arizona legislature did do something last month besides allow concealed weapons in bars:
Governor Brewer has signed a change to Arizona’s anti-deficiency law in the trustee’s sale statute – A.R.S. Section 33-814(G).
The change will affect borrowers that did not live in the property for at least 6 consecutive months. The anti-deficiency rule that formerly prevented a lender from seeking a deficiency or suing directly on the note will no longer apply to many residential investment properties.
" Lucifer (profile) wrote on Tue, 7/14/2009 - 3:04 pm
Clever person = I know
Intelligent person = There is much that I do not know
unfortunately we confuse the more common 'clever' with the less common 'intelligent'."
In the words of Nigel Tufnel, "there's a fine line between clever and stupid"
Vonbek777 (profile) wrote on Tue, 7/14/2009 - 6:57 pm
Sure this will work:
Paris launches smile campaign to woo tourists
Smiling with ennui doesn't do the trick.
kcoop is the king.
Not One Cent,
Somehow I think smiling is the least of Paris' problem with tourism...could be wrong...
Great! Now they qualify for a BBB-ailout.
Economists themselves, like most specialists, normally suffer from a kind of metaphysical blindness...
I was reading some of Thomas De Quincey's stuff this weekend (ironically to get away from economics) and picked out the following quotes.
Apparently economics has not changed at all in 200 years:
"I had been led in 1811 to look into loads of books and pamphlets on many branches of economy; and, at my desire, M. sometimes read to me chapters from more recent works, or parts of parliamentary debates. I saw that these were generally the very dregs and rinsings of the human intellect; and that any man of sound head, and practised in wielding logic with a scholastic adroitness, might take up the whole academy of modern economists, and throttle them between heaven and earth with his finger and thumb, or bray their fungus-heads to powder with a lady's fan."
I think this quote captures, in a single sentence, the essence of the crisis we face today:
"How easily a man who has never been in any great distress may pass through life without knowing, in his own person at least, anything of the possible goodness of the human heart -- or, as I must add with a sigh, of its possible vileness."
This quote has a lot of personal significance to me:
"I can tell them to go, and they go ---, but sometimes they come when I don't tell them to come."
In a surprise move, S & P cut two of the letters from BS
Looks like the rating agencies are as timely with CMBS as they were with RMBS.
Check out the returns on these "AAA" gems:
SCHWAB YIELDPLUS FUND SELECT SH Fund Chart - Yahoo! Finance
SWYSX: Holdings for SCHWAB YIELDPLUS FUND SELECT SH - Yahoo! Finance
Schwab marketed SWYSX as a near cash equivalent. The cash markets were raided by wall street. No bailouts for the widows and orphans though.
unfortunately we confuse the more common 'clever' with the less common 'intelligent'."
And of course, both with wisdom. More telling though, we confuse charismatic with desirable.
I hear Vegas is taking odds for which city of the world will be razed first this August or September...so someone fill me in, what is happening at the end of August that changes the current equation? Is it just the summer is ending, or are some numbers coming out that are too big to deny? I am joking about the razing of course, just keep hearing, especially from gold bugs that end of August, things come unglued. Don't understand why...
New cards in upcoming versions of Monopoly
Your bank is eligible for TARP, pay $500.
Your Citibank bonds have been downgraded to BBB, pay $500.
Citibank has declared a management bonus, pay $500.
Healthcare has been reformed by Congress, pay $500.
Cap and Trade has been passed by Congress, pay $500.
"
Vonbek777 (profile) wrote on Tue, 7/14/2009 - 3:14 pm
I hear Vegas is taking odds for which city of the world will be razed first this August or September...so someone fill me in, what is happening at the end of August that changes the current equation? Is it just the summer is ending, or are some numbers coming out that are too big to deny? I am joking about the razing of course, just keep hearing, especially from gold bugs that end of August, things come unglued. Don't understand why..."
If you'd been wearing your tin foil cap, you'd know. That said, some bloggers have been predicting market dislocations about that time.
just keep hearing, especially from gold bugs that end of August, things come unglued. Don't understand why...
Physical delivery, and the coming of the white buffalo have become intertwinned in many gold bugs mind. Just because we are in the end tymes when the great Sioux chief "Meyer" is going to return is no reason for the hoarding of gold.
Bloomberg interviewed one his direct descendants who shared this bit of knowledge for free with the many pale skinned viewers:
"I got to buy more ammo."
Angry Saver (profile) wrote on Tue, 7/14/2009 - 7:13 pm
Looks like the rating agencies are as timely with CMBS as they were with RMBS.
S&P as Dr. McCoy: "He's dead, Jim."
"I got to buy more ammo."
You should already be overstocked
" July 14, 2009
In a speech to the Chamber of Commerce in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said July 14 that U.S. government policies are consistent with a “strong dollar,” and he pledged that the United States would take steps to rein in its borrowing, Bloomberg reported. “The United States was on an unsustainable fiscal path before this crisis, and we will not succeed in establishing sustainable recovery without a credible commitment to address our long-term deficits,” Geithner said. After leaving Jeddah, he is scheduled to visit the city of Yanbu to attend an economic development event with King Abdullah."
No kcoop - you the
!!!
[Thanks - that is so cool - now can we have 'sweater puppies' too?]...
//Governor Brewer has signed a change to Arizona’s anti-deficiency law in the trustee’s sale statute – A.R.S. Section 33-814(G).
The change will affect borrowers that did not live in the property for at least 6 consecutive months. The anti-deficiency rule that formerly prevented a lender from seeking a deficiency or suing directly on the note will no longer apply to many residential investment properties. //
Can they do that after the fact? What if the loan docs say nonrecourse?
It looks like the market is open now. Someone is buying obscure or recently hammered mining companies.
Nevsun got some financing, stock up 27%
Ivanhoe up almost 4% for no apparent reason - maybe they got their Mongolian project approved.
The French will not raze Paris until after August vacation.
You should already be overstocked
nova ≠ gardener. At least I don't think so...
"Physical delivery, and the coming of the white buffalo"
Really!? Should I sell my shares in a buffalo ranch? How about the beefsteak mine?
That gives us a head start.
"The French will not raze Paris until after August vacation."
Bien sur.
Love the bomb - we also have open requests for a wine glass and a bong.
Just don't eat the White Buffalo. You will not make friends that way.
Hurray! S&P set us up the
!!! Make your time!
FROM THE HOLLOW FUTURE…
From the hollow future
Came something that would happen,
Concussion everywhere
That roared against a membrane
It was so long ago,
The hottest day of summer,
I never have forgotten
How violent the terror
Future and the past,
It tore the world apart,
The feared foretelling blast
Tore out the city’s heart
Will it now descend,
The bright destroying star?
It will not long delay
The future is not far
Yet perhaps a branch
That never bore a tree,
A crucifix to which
I never bent a knee
A crucifix that never
Held the corpus of
The Crucified of cities,
Annihilated love
Pavel
June 25, 2009
I think we need an American flag icon. That way we will know who is a hater and who isn't.
" nova (homepage, profile) wrote on Tue, 7/14/2009 - 3:22 pm
Just don't eat the White Buffalo. You will not make friends that way."
YouTube - Great White Buffalo
Quick update. I'm getting closer to launching my new business - a rantings agency.
Nobody trusts the ratings agencies or the banks anymore so I figure the market for rants is going to boom.
SInce the new ranting biz will have zero income for as far as the eye can see, I expect it will be a huge user of debt. New debt will always be needed to pay interest on older debt - just what our credit eCONomy needs.
The nuts and bolts don't matter. Credit expansion is wealth.
I don't read most of the gold news. That must be why I missed it. I sleep in my tinfoil hat though, so I was surprised that I was caught unaware on this one. Will have to snoot around sometime.
Automatic barn-door closing device that activates a set time after detecting the pony's departure.
That way we will know who is a hater and who isn't.
Or the ability to assign icons to each others usernames. Rob Dawg would look like this:
http://getsbybuckner.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/underdog.jpg
The Coming $50 Billion State Unemployment Bill
The Coming $50 Billion State Unemployment Bill | The Economic Populist
"I think we need an American flag icon."
I've been wearing my 'tribute' baseball cap, with the American flag on the front.
Seriously, if there's to be a dislocation that isn't so much of a crap shoot, it's the coming of H1N1 this fall, and even that is not a certainty. If it happens, it will even shut Wall Street down.
Cinco-X
I haven't heard that in a whiile. Stupid youtube was lagging
CMBS analysis from Citi this afternon indicates non-S&P rated bonds are trading at s+300bps while S&P bonds are more like s+600. Yikes!
"...non-S&P watchlisted bonds have been trading inside of swaps plus 300bp in the past couple of days. Pretty amazing that S&P thinks similar dupers they rate should be rated A+ to BBB+ under their new methodology.
Unfortunately, this methodology with the implementation of TALF really will create a tiering of bonds by rating-agency. Again, as we discuss in the attached article, if they have changed their methodology in such a significant manner since they originally rated the pools, maybe they should investigate if they could offer to withdraw their ratings of the various affected pools."
"Physical delivery, and the coming of the white buffalo"
Did you read that piece on ZH today? I didn't know that ETF shares can be used to satifsy physical delivery requirements.
edited: I forgot he was dead...
Inflation taxes, from most to least:
Savings
Consumption
Debt
The purpose of inflation from FDR to Bernanke is to make consumption a better bargain than savings to a rational actor.
Savings is a form of decision deferment - you defer your consumption decisions to some future time. The reason you do this is because the information you have about what your needs will be in that future time is limited. If you had a perfect, clairvoyant understanding of your life from the moment of your birth, there would be no need to save. You could purchase all of your meals in advance, perhaps through option contracts or some similar instrument. You could know in advance that you would get cancer at 43, you would need certain medical treatments at a certain price at that time and so on.
This is not how we live because we have less than perfect information about our future consumption and needs. As a thought experiment, consider a life where information about future needs is at absolute zero - one day you may be a starving beggar, the next a king, the next in need of a root canal, the next in need of nothing, etc. In this scenario, where absolutely nothing can be ascertained except one's current needs and the fact that one's future needs are unknowable, one is incentivized to cover only the bare minimal needs of the day and save the rest for whatever might happen in a tomorrow where you may experience plenty or abject poverty and starvation. Needless to say, this would lead to a pretty slow economy, and a miserable existence.
Plug this dynamic of unknown-future:saving::known-future :spending into the idea that inflation acts as a disincentive to saving by giving a discount to present expenditures and a penalty to deferred expenditures. Realize that inflation and monetary policy will be utterly ineffective as an incentive to spend if the state of society and the economy is so unpredictable and chaotic that it makes more sense to save against a totally unknown future, even at a steep penalty, than to spend today and die tomorrow of starvation. Maximize the chaos and monetary policy is utterly ineffective as an incentive to spend now rather than later.
The other dynamic that this displays is the contrary condition -- where there is a great deal of certainty about one's future needs, and your information about your future needs are very certain, your need to save is reduced. You can spend more now - if you know food will be provided by the government, you can buy a house to live in in the future knowing you won't starve to death in it. If you know your medical needs are taken care of, you will leave less aside in a rainy day fund to cover an emergency cancer or accident. This leads to my own conclusion that:
Social safety nets and other stabilizers which provide a more perfect informational picture of the future to a rational consumer are a superior way of discouraging saving than the imperfect, unjust, and confiscatory tools of inflation.
"Social safety nets and other stabilizers which provide a more perfect informational picture of the future to a rational consumer are a superior way of discouraging saving than the imperfect, unjust, and confiscatory tools of inflation."
Given sufficient social solidarity deflation is survivable. Inflation is the solvent of societies.
In a scathing expose of Goldman (has Goldman suddenly become the media's punching bag), Gasparino gets yanked off the air for telling it how it is. Chaz concludes by telling CNBC to stop protecting Goldman (fast forward to the 3 minute mark). Crickets ensue as MC Cabrera pulls off her b(r)est Blue Steel impersonation.
Zero Hedge: Gasparino Tells CNBC To Stop Protecting Goldman
Hoop: Social safety nets and other stabilizers which provide a more perfect informational picture of the future to a rational consumer are a superior way of discouraging saving than the imperfect, unjust, and confiscatory tools of inflation.
The Global War on Savers uses both inflation and the welfare state to be extra sure.
Why We Should Cheer Goldman's Fat Profits
Why We Should Cheer Goldman's Fat Profits
The Protestant work ethic wins again.
They can only be used if the two parties (long and short) agree to it. If the holder of the long position wishes, he can still take actual physical delivery. I don't really understand the big deal with this- most contracts are settled in cash anyway.
Social safety nets and other stabilizers which provide a more perfect informational picture of the future to a rational consumer are a superior way of discouraging saving than the imperfect, unjust, and confiscatory tools of inflation.
With what is going on in places like CA now, I think we're increasingly getting to the point where nobody is going to believe that the government can effectively provide "social safety nets".
Josap - loan documents generally do not say they are non-recourse, but if they do then that would probably not be affected by the statute.
It is unlikely, but not impossible, that courts would apply this retroactively.
A side of to much social safety nets creates a false sense of risk and laziness. How much can we cover before it becomes enabling? I think we have well passed the line.
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Federal government will have to be the safety net. Most half-educated people know that states can't print money and debt finance.
The Global War on Savers uses both inflation and the welfare state to be extra sure.
I can't imagine why anybody would start a business in the US now. I'm dead serious about this.
Now that I'm finally getting to the point where I have the financial means to employ other people and create a wealth-producing business, I've completely lost interest in doing so. This is something I've wanted to do all my life. No more.
Why would anybody work hard and take extreme risks to give away all the rewards?
Best to stay at home and do nothing, or relocate to a different country.
A side of to much social safety nets creates a false sense of risk and laziness. How much can we cover before it becomes enabling? I think we have well passed the line.
Exactly. Let's cut the banks and corporations loose. No more government subsidies, including mineral rights. These welfare queens have gotten too lazy.
I have a very basic question - is a mortgage-based security (in principle as opposed to reality) based on the anticipated appreciation in value of the property, on the supposed revenue stream it will generate, or both, or one or the other, or neither?
If neither is the answer, what the hell does generate the return for an MBS?
I can't imagine why anybody would start a business in the US now.
I'd start an illicit one...
That's what happens.
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Federal government will have to be the safety net.
This statement seems to assume that the Federal government is all powerful and can do whatever it wishes.
History seems to suggest otherwise - large governments can in fact be quite brittle and quickly lose power when things go wrong.
Gasparino is saying what bloggers and blog posters here have been saying since the start of the bailouts:
Absent the fed and treasury, Goldman was tits up.
You want to find tax revenue, tax financial fraud and inflation.
" ac (profile) wrote on Tue, 7/14/2009 - 3:43 pm
The Global War on Savers uses both inflation and the welfare state to be extra sure.
I can't imagine why anybody would start a business in the US now. I'm dead serious about this."
Have you never heard of a "paper loss"
One way to get around higher taxes, if only for awhile...
Albrt
Az is (was) a nonrecourse state. I think and have seen loan docs that specificly state non-recourse. I have not seen a ton of any loan docs but do remember seeing the nonrecourse clause in a few.
Unwind of FRB support to Euro banking system
Per ZH, the FRB has yanked down the swap lines from $600B to $100B. I think the AIG payouts allowed this to happen. Otherwise Deutsche Bank, UBS, and others would have collapsed.
ac-
Sorry to keep responding to you, but I'm with you on the investing thing. Have more money than I really need, could be an investor in a number of things, but just content to sit in mostly cash for a good period to come. I just can't figure out the scam.
Money is the raw material of banks. The price of said raw material is manipulated by the fed.
If the fed lowered the price of raw materials (say steel for the auto industry) to zero, I'm sure every manufacturer in the country could suddenly post record profits.
Goldman is a sham. The biggest gov't grifter of them all.
That is why when I started up my business again I set it up to have no employees and stay small. I am much happier now.
@Pellice.
There are like bonds. They pay interest, and because they are liquid(sometimes) they have value beyond the NPV of the projected cash flows.
The value of the underlying property only matters in as much as it can affect the payment behavior of the borrowers.
Hoopajoops LTD (homepage, profile) wrote on Tue, 7/14/2009 - 3:35 pm
Savings is a form of decision deferment - you defer your consumption decisions to some future time. The reason you do this is because the information you have about what your needs will be in that future time is limited. If you had a perfect, clairvoyant understanding of your life from the moment of your birth, .......
Social safety nets and other stabilizers which provide a more perfect informational picture of the future to a rational consumer are a superior way of discouraging saving than the imperfect, unjust, and confiscatory tools of inflation."
Nice exposition.
To late Hoops all levels of corruption will have their effect including the welfare queens. They are there to take just like the evil corps and the rest. Who was suppose to be watching the store?
The states can not afford it. I suppose the gov could make grants to states to help keep the safety net functioning somewhat. Something like this:
Fairfax County, VA July 13, 2009
Today the county board approved funding for the "Cone" program. People who previously would have been housed at county homeless shelters will now be issued a red plastic traffic cone. County Supervisor Mark Delantis, spoke about this program at a news conference today.
"These cones will be important to homeless of any kind. People who sleep in their cars will now be able to reserve popular parking spots near the mall. Those with out a vehicle will find them extremely handy for reserving the right tree."
Also announced was the closing of all shelters due to lack of funding.
ac-
Sorry to keep responding to you, but I'm with you on the investing thing. Have more money than I really need, could be an investor in a number of things, but just content to sit in mostly cash for a good period to come. I just can't figure out the scam.
It's coming from all sides.
This is why I characterize the situation as "moral collapse":
Everybody seems to be in a race to take everybody elses stuff. This includes private business, government, individuals... etc.
IMO the best strategy in this environment is not to have any stuff and not to make the effort to get any.
To be honest, S&P should get some credit for finally trying to be current (not ahead) with reality. They are still largely behind on RMBS and Subprime, but this move is actually ahead of losses (behind on expectations), as the losses are unlikely to hit these super senior classes for 5-7 years.
Not only that, but S&P's assumptions are pretty severe, even by my standards, and I'm a super CRE bear.
WWNM - thanks for the response. So, I think you are saying that the bond is so far removed from the base (the revenue stream of $1,000/month) that it becomes a simple betting game, like betting the person opposite that a card will come up red or black, and, so long as there is someone willing to play the game without stopping to collect winnings, it can go on?
If your response gets pigged, that's fine, I'm just realizing how little I understand any of this.
"Social safety nets and other stabilizers which provide a more perfect informational picture of the future to a rational consumer are a superior way of discouraging saving than the imperfect, unjust, and confiscatory tools of inflation."
Well said. There's a puritan backlash to such thought in the U.S. -- encourages laziness, etc. -- but don't recent articles hold that the Euros are as productive as we are? And even Taiwan and Japan were able to handle nation health care.
If we had educational costs, health care costs, and a certain view of what retirement benefits in this country will handle in the future, all bets would be off. It wouldn't just be about spending freely or sitting on your duff. It'd also be about the freedom to take risks. To start a new business and know that failure wouldn't hurt your kids' health care or educational prospects. It'd be huge.
I worked for a person who was so concerned with growing his sales thirty percent to get his bonus that he was actively destroying his existing accounts. In one quarter we lost an account worth 10X that bonus. Too much greed, too much ignorance, too much alpha.
Yep. On one job we had bonuses paid on new business written, so one guy had a few large accounts that he managed to write and lose in alternate years, over and over...he'd write an account in '98, lose it in '99, win it back in '00 etc. It wouldn't surprise me to find out he had a buddy at another brokerage that was winning the account in the odd years and contriving to lose it back, thus maximizing the bonuses for both of them.
It may make a certain amount of sense to treat corporations as collections of profit-maximizing rational individuals, but thinking of them as if they were themselves such individuals is absurd.
@ Pellice - the bond collects monthly fixed income payments from borrowers of the commercial real estate. If the borrower stops paying the fixed amount, the bond holders take and sell the property.
It is only slightly more complicated taking into account the way investors structure and trade the investments, but the basic concept is very simple. I would not classify it as a betting game exactly, though there is certainly risk.
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daddyo@3:54,
In an attempt to retain some sort of credibility, rather than do what all the ratings agencies did with RMBS which was to whittle down ratings as losses grew progressively worse, S&P took the hatchet to bonds they had once rated AAA based on CRE prices having come down at least 30%. If prices are down 30%, your bond's credit enhancement is eventually down 30% (feel free to argue the point with me) so you don't deserve a AAA rating. I applaud their taking action to make these bonds non-TALF eligible before they ended up in taxpayer hands