The Mall is Flat.

Or flattened ... those companies invested in retail CRE - and are highly leveraged - are in deep deep trouble.

best to all

Starbucks are too far apart when you need them. They need to be next to each other. We need malls of starbucks.

The term "strip mall" always sounds way more promising than mostly useless stores (or vacant storefronts).

The Treasury really needs to get with the Nail Salon bailout plan.

strip malls were an easy way for small fish to get into the retail big bucks. easy way for small fish to get fried...

btw, is there a "medical office building" vacancy index? those have to be skying as well.

i didn't know stripping at malls had become so ubiquitous

the nail salon near me now only takes cash

"i didn't know stripping at malls had become so ubiquitous"


depends on what you're into

Basel Too, unfortunately Reis didn't start tracking regional malls until 2000 - but that vacancy rate is the highest recorded. And the rents are falling fast everywhere ...

best to all

10%? That seems modest. There sure are a lot of for rent signs about. I would be guessing 20% based on the storefronts I see.

more empty retail space. Ritz Camera is liquidating. Another Chapter 11 reorg that failed.

Ritz Camera Warns of Possible Liquidation - washingtonpost.com

Border area of Phx / Scottsdale, strip malls have been going major vacant for the last 1 & 1/2 yrs. I would say several strip malls by my house are 30% to 50% vac now.

The worse is yet to come. I don't know how some of these places stay in business.

The building my office is in, about 40% vac now. This is a fairly high end area.

What I'm seeing more of is the rise of "falsies." That's where instead of a construction barrier with the comforting words; "Coming Soon" stenciled on the front instead the store is blacked out and the display window advertises other mall tenant wares. I wonder if those fronts are "rented" at some nominal rate.

In past times those store fronts of empty units were rented. Now, I am not so sure.

my bad if repost

Four Seasons San Francisco in default - San Francisco Business Times: 

Millennium Partners is in default on its two-year $90 million loan for the 277-room Four Seasons Hotel San Francisco, according to the developer.

The luxury condo and hotel developer and operator has purposefully stopped making debt payments as a strategy to jump start renegotiating the debt with the special server, LNR Property Corp. The Four Seasons is the second luxury hotel to default on its debt payments in recent weeks. The owners of the 393-room Renaissance Stanford Court Hotel in Nob Hill, funds controlled by JER Partners, defaulted on a $89 million loan, according to lender Barclays Capital.

go srs go....

the nail salon near me now only takes cash

Want to take bets as to what percentage of cash revenue shows up on their sales tax and income tax filings.

If they are using a savvy small business accountant, he/she has probably advised them to burn the register tape each week and only report deposits to the bank as revenue. The "skim" can be treated as tax exempt income.

Hubby went to the big mall the other day, He said it was pretty dead in there. Not even the teens hanging out.

falsie bailout, akin to the PPIP "legacy assets"

Pay the employees in cash and save the insurance as well as taxes.

Dawg - falsies outnumbering labelscars? Or overlaid?

(Deadmall ubernerds, do not adjust your set)

C

Have not been around lately....don't know if this has gotten much traction here:

**FLASH** Goldman Code Theft BOMBSHELL? - The Market Ticker

Clancy's books have nothing on this at this point. Add in the mysterious death of the Frenchie

CFM Chief Aguilar Dies In Gliding Accident | FINalternatives

who just happened to switch over the the NYSE market platform a mere two weeks before the markets were goosed upwards. Eliminating the witness's?

The takeaway, for me, is that the NYSE had to have been complicit in this from the start. I wonder who else recently installed this platform?

I admit I get "tin-foily" at times but this just writes itself...

Ciao
MS.

Fubar, they don't even ring the services up. Also, the pub in the same strip mall only takes cash too, but they do offer a free ATM.

Nail tecs are usually not employees, they rent their station and are independent contractors. Same for most hair dressers / stylist.

No insurance, no work comp, no unemployment benifits.

wow amazed at the SF defaults and the W sale, been withholding comment on the hotel overload in SF since I am a simple peasant here

There's a Simpsons episode where most of the mall is Starbucks.

Counterpointer (profile) wrote on Wed, 7/8/2009 - 6:07 pm

Dawg - falsies outnumbering labelscars? Or overlaid?
(Deadmall ubernerds, do not adjust your set)

LOL!

cclt: should we take a vote as to whether Millennium Partners default should be described as a "ruthless default" or a "strategic default"?

Is the difference dependent on the size of the loan or whether the loan is to a legal entity or a natural person?

how about "strategically ruthless default" hold the butter....

The Zombieconomy isn't a buzzword. It's not an event. It's not (really) about banks. It is the state of our economy today....so get out to the Mall and buy something Wink

I toured the Boise mall last week. Only 7 empty stores but in a pattern I never saw before. 5 of them were next to the empty Mervins anchor. I assume that those stores were completely dependent on impulse buys from walk thru traffic, ie no intrinsic value at all. Amazing.

no intrinsic value at all.

mirror time

N.B. "labelscar" is now in the glossary.

P.P.S. some wise acre also put "the glossary" in the glossary to humorous result.

norma: advise them to declare some cash receipts as revenue so it won't look too suspicious. Also, they should plan on having their bank statements reviewed in an audit so bank deposits should be declared as revenue. they can use the undeclared cash to buy food at the grocery store or drinks at the bar down mall.

VC fundraising falls 63 percent -- I'm sure this will be interpreted as more 'green shooties' by MSM

This is hardly a surprise, and probably is even a positive development considering the sorry state of the M&A and IPO markets. But the amount of money flowing into venture funds continues to decline. In the first half of this year, 51 U.S. venture funds have raised $5.1 billion. That compares to 115 funds that raised $13.6 billion for the same period last year, according to a report out today from Dow Jones. And it marks the the lowest first half investment total since 2003.

I admit I get "tin-foily" at times but this just writes itself..

MS,

Did you ever read the declassified Gulf of Tonkin intel released in 2005? Its release was delayed so that it wouldn't affect the public's view of Bush's push for war in Iraq.

I for one think we need more skepticism. Especially when it comes to financial markets and financial "experts". How many of the "wealth" generating ideas of the past two decades turned out to be shams? Almost all.

Well, here in my neighborhood in lovely west LA, they're busy preparing to tear down a block of single story stores, having evicted the tenants, and plan to construct a shiny new 2 story retail building. This on on W 3rd st for those who know the area. It's different here... :-/

"...they can use the undeclared cash to buy food at the grocery store or drinks at the bar down mall."

For some reason this is so depressing.

AS links?

dawg : Space quotes for the glossary

In my neck of the woods (New Jersey), developers are still in cahoots with municipal governments to try & pave over the last stretches of greenery and continue to put up strip malls. "The Shoppes at [insert town name]" are a very popular variety. Also, strip malls anchored by a gym. I don't know what the proposals looked like, but I've never seen a gym last longer than 2-3 years in these parts.

In the Copley mall in Boston you can walk to 5 Starbucks without ever going outside. I'd argue only six would qualify as "overbuilt".

I found a real green shoot. Guy I play pool with was laid off in Dec, hired back half-time in April and goes back to fulltime next week.

the odor of used jock straps is well known as a powerful financial inducement

brewcrew,

Reality has a nasty habit of upsetting the best laid plans of mice and men.

Lucifer,I am in California,what IS this "Reality" you speak of?

AS-

No I've not read that report but I can only imagine what it contains.......there was a similar issue with an American ship off the coast of Israel, some years ago, where a pilot of the Israeli airforce refused a direct order to fire upon a merchant american vessel...my remembrance of this is very sketchy so bear with me......the intended result was to have an American ship attacked so that we could start up a ground war along side the 6 day war or something to that affect. I might even have my time-frames off but I do remember that incident. Someone else may recall?

Ciao
MS

let's combine some things to keep our local malls alive!

Suggestions:

Prison and Mall (Your teenage daughters will really love those badboys)
School and Mall (Class exercise....shopping!)
Mall and Mall (No way...there's a bed bath and beyond in a bed bath and beyond?)

Lucifer's reality is Canada
ha

pavel: I agree that it is depressing, but you have to function in the political economy as it is, not as it should be. Read the link on Efficient Breach of contract and realize that the doctrine was blessed by one of the most influential Federal judges. Morally, we have spent a generation racing to the bottom. Now that the bottom is in sight, they are getting out the backhoes to start some serious digging.

California .. never mind.

//Lucifer,I am in California,what IS this "Reality" you speak of?//

I want to see reality have it's way with canucks.. that would be entertaining.

//Lucifer's reality is Canada//

I think what retailers really need is a combination of higher sales tax, higher unemployment, and incredibly high APRs from banks being bailed out at taxpayer expense.

Can the Fed deliver?

¡Sí, Se Puede!

Don't give those idiots any more ideas.

//Do we have a Mall Czar yet?//

California Pot advocate ad airing on some tv stations today...

YouTube -

Bay Area TV stations reject marijuana legalization ad - Inside Bay Area

Most Bay Area television stations rejected or apparently ignored a new advertisement urging Californians to reconsider legalizing and taxing marijuana as a way to help close the state's gaping budget deficit, the ad's sponsors say.

thought they might need the revenue....

those tricky little pot smokers, using tax revenue to further cause... Party

Another prayer..


Alcoa Says China, U.S. Stimulus Plans May Revive Cash Flow
Alcoa Says China, U.S. Plans May Revive Cash Flow (Update3) - Bloomberg.com

By Rob Delaney

July 9 (Bloomberg) -- Alcoa Inc., the largest U.S. aluminum producer, expects government economic-stimulus spending in China and the U.S. to boost metal demand enough to help the company start generating cash again.

CEF, MS,

Intel/reasearch is often flawed. Sometimes innocently, sometimes not. I think wall st reasearch is purposefully flawed. The system demands it.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/relea00012.pdf

How did we get here?


Reagan Recipe on Fed, Taxes Spells Path From Funk: Amity Shlaes
Reagan Recipe on Fed, Taxes Spells Path From Funk: Amity Shlaes - Bloomberg.com

Commentary by Amity Shlaes

July 9 (Bloomberg) -- Double-digit unemployment looms. The country is in a funk. The federal budget deficit is widening to an extent not seen in decades. This scenario isn’t new. It also describes the U.S. in 1982. Somehow, the 1980s and the 1990s turned out to be pretty good years. So it’s worthwhile to compare current policy to the one followed then.

Ten percent seems low. Then again, there are still many Jamba Juices that must barely make it, as well as plenty of bag boutiques and such.

Re the Renaissance Stanford Court. I stayed there last year thanks to Priceline. No surprise here, the nobby neighborhood does not a financial success make. For pedestrians, to get there is like mountain climbing, and downhill, the knees shake. The entrance is like for a garage, the lobby a half basement. The quality of the refurbishings seems to be ok, but all in all, in an era of hotel room glut, this does not compare favorably to other four stars.

Great. Another dubious gren shoot, I'm getting inquiries for consulting positions again.

"N.B. "labelscar" is now in the glossary."

Awesome. I see those all the time lately.

How is it that no one had put and entry in for Zombie Bank yet?

Amity Shlaes : Warning IQ level has just gone down 50 points

I knew it.. it is the doomsday machine Smile


Goldman Sachs Loses Grip on Its Doomsday Machine: Jonathan Weil
Goldman Sachs Loses Grip on Its Doomsday Machine: Jonathan Weil - Bloomberg.com

Commentary by Jonathan Weil

July 9 (Bloomberg) -- Never let it be said that the Justice Department can’t move quickly when it gets a hot tip about an alleged crime at a Wall Street bank. It does help, though, if the party doing the complaining is the bank itself, and not merely an aggrieved customer. Another plus is if the bank tells the feds the security of the U.S. financial markets is at stake. This brings us to the strange tale of Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Sergey Aleynikov.

Starbucks are too far apart when you need them. They need to be next to each other. We need malls of starbucks.

LOL

...urging Californians to reconsider legalizing and taxing marijuana as a way to help close the state's gaping budget deficit, ...

  • be better off taxing meth ingredients.

Pot is "Taxed" right now in California.The "Taxes" go to offshore retirement accounts,defense attorneys and the prison/industrial complex

I know of a US Sub captain (SSN) who refused to return fire on Soviet Destroyers who were attacking him in international waters. He was cashiered but we missed WWIII

"Most Bay Area television stations rejected or apparently ignored a new advertisement urging Californians to reconsider legalizing and taxing marijuana as a way to help close the state's gaping budget deficit, the ad's sponsors say."

Think how much ad revenue comes from Big Pharma. Self medication, is not so popular with them. Of course if you could pick up a lid at the local GNC, it might help out the malls...

The quality of meth in USA has improved since the DEA started clamping down on raw materials. Now it is made in proper factories in mexico and then 'imported' into the US.

//- be better off taxing meth ingredients.//

"So it’s worthwhile to compare current policy to the one followed then."

not really. joe boomer was 26 in 1981.

more empty retail space. Ritz Camera is liquidating. Another Chapter 11 reorg that failed.

The company already has shuttered about 400 stores and shut down its Boater's World Marine Centers.

Boaters is going out of business?

God, that's terrible. Where will the Marines shop now?

bingo!

// joe boomer was 26 in 1981.//

"pavel: I agree that it is depressing, but you have to function in the political economy as it is, not as it should be."

F & W, Of course.

"Morally, we have spent a generation racing to the bottom. Now that the bottom is in sight, they are getting out the backhoes to start some serious digging."

This is indeed much more ominous than a bad quarter or even a bad year.

I've just watched a short video in which President Obama publicly lectures President Medvedev about the importance of the rule of law, accountability etc. I hope that we will listen to our own lectures.

Brief impression: In the video, at least, Obama seems self-confident, as one would expect of the chief executive officer of the most powerful nation in history. Medvedev seems uncomfortable with this. Putin - very brief appearance in the video - looks to be very angry.

Green shoots of 2012 recovery! Buy now, in anticipation of the big move.

Uhhhh what's the 10yr return on the S&P?

Millman said a sale could be difficult because many of the 370 remaining stores are located in malls with high rents and declining foot traffic.

I think this is zeroing in on the real problem. It's lack of foot traffic.

You would think Obama and Timmay would have a foot traffic stimulus plan by now.

"I am in California,what IS this "Reality" you speak of?"

hehe, I arrived in Mt. Shasta, driving through on the way from Oregon. Stopped briefly just after the July 4 parade was over, and was asking myself the reality question. But, hours later, my attention was captivated by all the farmstands, produce, fields, berries, peaches. There was an earthiness to it.

REAL unemployment should be including 'discouraged' workers - those no longer trying and long off unemployment benefits, as well as those 'self-employed' and actually LOSING money and should account for the vast numbers of UNDER employed - those working part-time involuntarily, those working at jobs far below their qualifications and previous income levels and those working part-time because they can;t find full-time work.

good articles for slow news days: Financial Opinions Updated Daily iamned.com

Amity Shlaes logic bomb: E(insert problem)(current status)(Democrat in)(exec - leg +/- jdy) = solution *(Reagan)nth

Easy when you know how.

C

"Warning IQ level has just gone down 50 points"

Goethe once told a friend that he'd just met Herr Schmidt in the street and had been exchanging ideas with him. "And now,' said Goethe, 'I feel like a perfect idiot."

MS - Regarding NYSE being complicit with the GS code...

Madoff was chairman of Nasdaq... does that instill more or less trust in NYSE?

@Blackhalo (previous thread):

Agreed that Japan bailed out 10-yr today.

The $134.5 bn in "bearer bonds" was neither fake nor even bonds at all. Japan wanted out of notes/bills.

It took U.S. Treasury 6 days to cry counterfeit, when 6 hours would've (and should've) sufficed. 6 days sounds about right for a negotiation among U.S., Japanese, Italian, and Swiss parties--and possibly others--over an enormous sum uncovered by tipped-off Italian police.

What happened today is a likely a product of that negotiation. My theory anyhow.

"logic bomb: E(insert problem)(current status)(Democrat in)(exec - leg +/- jdy) = solution *(Reagan)nth"

With this you could construct a journalist/robot.

Only 7 empty stores but in a pattern I never saw before. 5 of them were next to the empty Mervins anchor. I assume that those stores were completely dependent on impulse buys from walk thru traffic, ie no intrinsic value at all. Amazing.

You are so wrong. It isn't about impulse buying at all. It's about lack of foot traffic.

The anchor tenant causes people to walk from store to store, whereas otherwise they would get in their cars and drive a few parking spaces over.

You can tell posters who don't live around malls.

Told ya!


Going down in the downturn: More women are turning to sex work in a bad economy. Does it beat working at McDonald's?
Pinched - Salon.com

.................Five months ago, before being laid off, Marie was bringing in $45,000 a year at Enterprise Rent-A-Car. Now, she operates out of two offices: her living room and a regularly changing hotel room. Her uniform is different, too: Instead of conservative business attire, she dons a lace bra and booty-hugging capris. The former corporate supervisor has become a sex worker................

ohh those guys...

Ritz Camera's debt included a $54.5 million on a secured revolving credit agreement with Wachovia Bank.

Time for some more "We sell your shit on eBay" stores.

Alcoa Inc., the largest U.S. aluminum producer, expects government economic-stimulus spending in China and the U.S. to boost metal demand enough to help the company start generating cash again.

I'm so glad I dumped AA at close to $12 a share. If it hits $7 again, I'm getting back in.

I fundamentally believe in the company long-term.

luci, there are male sex workers as well
keep us informed

"I fundamentally believe in the company long-term."

Aren't they big in Iceland?

not my cup of tea.. I prefer women Smile


luci, there are male sex workers as well

Does the preponderance of evidence support these measures? NO!


When All Else Fails: Forcing Workers Into Healthy Habits
How One Company Pushed Workers Into Preventive Care - WSJ.com

By ANNA WILDE MATHEWS

Last year, AmeriGas Propane Inc. gave its employees an ultimatum: get their medical checkups, or lose their health insurance. The nationwide propane distributor took the unusual step after facing years of steep increases in the cost of health coverage for its roughly 6,000 workers. The company’s work force was aging, and many employees had unhealthy habits—the average worker is 46, and around 44% are smokers. And people weren’t getting tests or preventive care that could help them avoid heart attacks, diabetes or cancer.

44% of propane workers smoking. Good idea, that.

Ritz Camera's debt included a $54.5 million on a secured revolving credit agreement with Wachovia Bank.

Thank god Wachovia got a secured lien on some good camera equipment.

Empty Mall Stores Trigger Rent Cuts: Remaining Tenants Point to Occupancy Guarantees to Shave Overhead Costs or Escape Leases
Empty Mall Stores Trigger Rent Cuts - WSJ.com

Retail chains are using the fine print in their leases to demand rent reductions, eking out critical savings and pressuring mall owners already struggling with vacancies. Gap Inc., Williams-Sonoma Inc. and AnnTaylor Stores Corp., among others, are poring over their leases and dispatching staff to track store closures that trigger "cotenancy clauses." The clauses, relatively common in retail leases, let tenants demand cuts in rent -- or, eventually, a penalty-free pullout -- if key tenants or a specified numbers of stores leave the center.

This is really funny, almost half the employees of a Gas Company smoke ! That could potentially be quite unhealthy.

pavel - not only that, but you (ie one) could clone them and stock an entire, oh, I dunno, university-like thing where there's no need for primary research to present challenges on falsifiability grounds to accepted nostrums, call it something robust and vaguely involving a brain stem like a .... think tank.

Now, the marketing gang kick in. From your focus groups select from the following and their near cognates to appeal to people who you would like to be like you but you'll never meet and don't much care for as long as they support / fund / vote for your real friends who enable your life of leisure:

Freedom
Heritage
Nation
America
House
Capital
Forum
Famous benefactor
(Emphatic Marker)

Once you combine the logic bomb described earlier in the manual with the structural and marketing approach so described at delivery stage you then have The American Enterprise Institute. Try with extra election and helicopter action for some real fun.

C

MS wrote on Wed, 7/8/2009 - 9:29 pm

there was a similar issue with an American ship off the coast of Israel

You may be thinking of the sinking of the Liberty. That was a deliberate Israeli act, hushed up then and since. It was to prevent our intelligence (that they were winning the war) from being used to stop political pressure for them to stop.

Ally indeed ....

Actually, what is more striking than empty small strip mall stores, are the empty anchor stores everywhere.

Vornado Makes a Big Bet on Distressed Properties: REIT Is Seeking $1 Billion for a Private-Equity Fund That Will Focus on New York and Washington
Vornado Makes a Big Bet on Distressed Properties - WSJ.com

Vornado Realty Trust, one of the biggest real-estate investment trusts in the U.S., is seeking to raise $1 billion for a private-equity fund to invest in the wave of distressed properties expected to hit in the next few years. The move signals that Vornado, which has one of the industry's most respected management teams, believes it can raise equity more cheaply from private investors than in the public market. But the company, long a darling of investors, risks dismaying shareholders who hoped Vornado would use its investing expertise to do deals on its own balance sheet.

rich,
AA bounced 7% in AH trading. The theory is that with all the layoffs, they will sell a lot more aluminum for beer cans, I guess.

Crazy volatility today again. Someone should open a new brokerage and call it CalvinTrade.

Lucifer (profile) wrote on Wed, 7/8/2009 - 6:41 pm
"The quality of meth in USA has improved since the DEA started clamping down on raw materials. "


"Better ingredients, better meth ..."

(Pizza too).

Vornado, which has one of the industry's most respected management teams, believes it can raise equity more cheaply from private investors than in the public market.

Dry powder from the usual suspects (e.g. pensions, insurance, endowments) is getting quite a bit scarce. Seeing more "efficient breaches" of commitments, especially from the public pensions funds that only recently dabbled in PE.

Also from the Ritz camera article:

According to the filing, Ritz "may not have sufficient availability to continue operating through the summer as a standalone entity and to purchase inventory required for the fall holiday season.

I think theat the issue about purchasing inventory for the holiday season is what is going to sink a lot more retail operations. Many are hanging by a thread, can't finance inventory for Xmas, and can't survive without a good Xmas this year. Catch 22. It's going to put a lot more of them out of business.

The solution is simple... Have the Fed print enough money to hire 15 million secret shoppers. Solves the unemployment problem and the strip mall problem.

longwaver (profile) wrote on Wed, 7/8/2009 - 10:10 pm
"The solution is simple... Have the Fed print enough money to hire 15 million secret shoppers. Solves the unemployment problem and the strip mall problem."


OK, but first explain how Goldman gets its cut ....

The secret shopper idea is great. Solves several problems at once.

Can I garage sale all the stuff I am paid ot buy? That would be a bonus.

longwaver (profile) wrote on Wed, 7/8/2009 - 10:10 pm
"The solution is simple... Have the Fed print enough money to hire 15 million secret shoppers. Solves the unemployment problem and the strip mall problem."


OK, but first explain how Goldman gets its cut ....

Goldman buys CDS on certain retailers with AIG (ie: taxpayer ) on the other side. A former GS alumni gets appointed as the Secret Shopping Czar ("SSC"). The SSC decides what stores and what goods each of the 15 million secret shoppers will spend money on - unsurprisingly the one's that don't get patronized by the secret shoppers with be those Goldman has purchased CDS on.

Clear 'nuff?

Lucifer (profile) wrote on Wed, 7/8/2009 - 6:41 pm
"The quality of meth in USA has improved since the DEA started clamping down on raw materials. "

-that wasn't really the point, now, was it?

"Until we see stabilization and recovery take root in both consumer spending and business spending and hiring, we do not foresee a recovery in the retail sector until late 2012 at the earliest."

Let me see if I have this right. Our Country ONLY has RETAIL - that IS basically 67% of our recovery: The need to buy stuff. So until people start buying like it was the last shopping day till Armageddon, our recovery will not take root, until at LEAST 2012. The important point though, is that people are tapped - no mas dinero, so THAT won't happen! I'll forgo the 20-million people "un" or underemployed point. Where did all that song and dance come from about happy days the second half of 2009? Wasn't it that Central Bank gal that said it?

I get SO sick and tired of the eternal springing into the show tune "tomorrow, tomorrow, only a day away" crap. These are supposedly people of high regard, people whom have developed a brain, are "experts" (God help us) and unfortunately are our Country's advisers and leaders.

This article says at LEAST 2012 - that might be the truest thing I've heard lately.

how many secret strippers (m/f)?

goldmans making book off strippers, must be end days for them too

But power crazy monkeys cannot think.

//-that wasn't really the point, now, was it?//

thanks barfly.....I just couldn't remember the name.

Ciao
MS

Samdog:

Easy... Goldman uses Fed money (from any one of the dozens of programs) to buy retailers for pennies after they file for bankruptcy. Then the Fed shovels money to the census folks to hire millions of secret shoppers.

The census folks buy everything in sight and take it somewhere and just count everything over and over. A perpetual inventory process.

Goldman resells the retailers to the Chinese once the books look suhweet because of all the secrete shoppers. Then the shoppers move on to the next bankrupt retailer and the Chinese are left holding the bag.

Mike in Long Island,

Ah ... the old "Treasury-Fed-Aig-GS Secret Handshake,"

(wink, wink ... nod, nod) Wink

where are the secret strippers ? (m/f)

longwaver,

Brilliant!

But can't we screw the US taxpayers, too? -- just for fun?

G'nite, all -- gotta run.

Samdog:

OH YES WE CAN!!!

The secrete shoppers will force prices to go UP and create shortages! As prices rise, the sales taxes collected will increase.

You'll pay and pay and pay!!!

Ever watched "Wizard of Oz"?

//These are supposedly people of high regard, people whom have developed a brain, are "experts" (God help us) and unfortunately are our Country's advisers and leaders.//

Gotta love shortages! When you're long, that is ....

I read Sergey Aleynikov's Strategic Telecom Optimized Routing Machine patent. It shows that he has some expertise, but any connection with network sniffing, in my opinion, would be speculative. The patent simply doesn't get close to that area.

Outta here -- for real this time -- bye!

--Ten percent seems low. Then again, there are still many Jamba Juices that must barely make it, as well as plenty of bag boutiques and such. --

I was at the Ala Moana Mall recently and waited in line with my daughter to get a smoothie. I was mesmerized by how busy this place was. Non-stop. I remarked to my daughter that the owner of this particular Jamba Juice would turn down the top position at GS unless he/she was willing to take a pay cut.

"What happened today is a likely a product of that negotiation. My theory anyhow."

A very tidy and reasonable explanation.

What will the future mall anchors be?

  • 99 cent store
  • walmart
  • salvation army
  • rent-a-center (by magic johnson)
  • marijuana shop

//These are supposedly people of high regard, people whom have developed a brain, are "experts" (God help us) and unfortunately are our Country's advisers and leaders.//

"Wizard of Oz" my favorite introduction to political science, not to mention history: maybe there is more MJ programming available to populate your point of view?

IT-

i don't think they were complicit with the code per se but it's the access to the actual server that is the real "meat" here. No access to server means no way to run the code.

That they are allowed to co-locate servers in the same building, let alone the same room, is enough to cry foul but this is just beyond anything I could come up with. It's my understanding that this whole code is derived from a telecom switching program that was adapted to the data feeds of the NYSE. But it only works if you are allowed to get in front of the transmission of the feed to the execution portion (mere mili-seconds).

Markets have always been manipulated in some way, shape or form. In the past the "rigger's" had to undertake some form of risk.......with this program the risk is essentially removed since you know what's coming in before the order hits the tape....you may make a few cents but multiply that by 300m or more a day and it starts to add up fast.

In any case the USG just gave anyone with half a brain a decent roadmap on how they got the market goosed up since early march and the enabler took no risk whatsoever......sounds like a recent problem we've been having doesn't it? Wink

Ciao
MS

"Actually, what is more striking than empty small strip mall stores, are the empty anchor stores everywhere."

Not so surprising though:

Dillard’s wants out of Highland Mall ‘ghost town’ ASAP - Austin Business Journal:

"Dillard’s alleges that the owner — Highland Mall Limited Partnership, made up of Simon Property Group Inc. [NYSE: SPG] and General Growth Properties Inc. [NYSE: GGP], two of the country’s largest mall operators — let it deteriorate to such a degree that it has forced Dillard’s to close.

“As a result of the continued deterioration of Highland Mall from a once-first-class shopping mall to the ‘ghost town’ it is becoming, [Dillard’s] plans to cease operations in both its stores. … There is no alternative for [Dillard’s],” the lawsuit says."

Mall operators lose enough non-anchors to a bad economy, that they unable to make their payment on their CRE loan, so they cut back on capital improvements, losing even more foot traffic, leading to more non-anchors quitting finally leading to the anchors not being able justify rents bases on irrational CRE valuations. Particularly when there is a mall across town that is offering lower rents in a better space based on more realistic CRE pricing.

USA CRE in a nutshell.

Scrooge:

Don't forget a currency exchange store. A place to take your Cali IOUs and turn them into Yuan for a "small fee".

Depersonalizer Store.

Bring in your engraved iPod, jewelry, etc and make them craigslist ready in minutes.

@longwaver

Oh man what a great idea. Hopefully I can get a california SBA loan for that.

Planet-

I read it as well. It actually makes alot of sense to be able to adapt that to any data feed where you want optimization. The tricky part is coming up with the code to actually execute the functions quick enough so that it actually works. It's doable and he certainly had enough time to get it to work in the short time-frame he worked at GS. But as I point out above it's not the code that's the real story here....it's that the NYSE allowed someone access to it's order-flow before execution.

Ciao
MS

MS - touche. This thing stinks.

Interesting article in the NY Times, questioning the slow peeling of the bandage off our bad debt problem. (Interesting that it's in the NY Times, alongside the usual cheerleading for Bernanke and Geithner and company.)

Are Bailouts Part of the Problem? - DealBook Blog - NYTimes.com

Maybe the Chinese buy Starbucks and start accepting "stuff" for coffee. Bring in a used CD, DVD, iPOD, cell phone, etc. and get a latte.

A way to repo everything on the "low low"

Ten percent is about right when you assume that vacancies aren't spread evenly. Well-situated malls at the center of population centers probably still have low vacancy. New malls in new neighborhoods, out at the far edge of development, especially where retail was overbuilt -- much higher vacancy.

These are supposedly people of high regard, people whom have developed a brain, are "experts" ...

BSR- these are the people who have made connections through means unavailable to the average person. They are not necessarily any "smarter". While you were off fightin' and dyin', they were figuring out how they were going to screw you when you came back. I dare say you'll have the last laugh, though.

ga is having its tax free school days from 7-30 to 8-2-09. yippee!!

sorry add "sales"

I dare say you'll have the last laugh, though.

last, of course

depends how you interpret it

The latest instalment from Amazing Grace, the former Lehman Brothers fixed income salesperson who went on to become an exotic dancer (and more), is now available online.

Amazing Grace

Fact fiction, I dont know.

 

depends how you interpret it

I mean BSR has more "quality of life" than they will ever have.

I mean let's assume quality of life is equal, good or bad

suffering assumes the imposition of suffering

I have an idea for all those ghost-town strip malls -- plaster the parking lots with solar panels. Yeah. Or something.

Now that I read Amazing Grace Fiction.

Amazing Grace = pulp fiction.

Urban Re-Outfitters.

Mall based storefront consultants that revamp your lifestyle to better deal with the new realities. How to de-badge your AMG. Covering your "Obama '08" bumper sticker with Deathtöngue artwork. Dumpster diving is not an olympic sport. Making the transition from insider trading to barter. Squash in the pot not the court. Etc.

"Depersonalizer Store."

tattoo removal. Get yourself craigslist-ready. Laughing out loud

hmmm, dumpster diving could be an XBox 360 game though...

been down so long, etc.

do i have to get tatoo's in order to remove them?

And squirrels. Recipes, bastes for braising over chopstick fires in coffee cans, and so much more!

Note to self, add to The Curriculum.

C

There was a down and out mall here in the 90s that rented space to a community college for classes.

Then the whole place pretty much went under.

In the boom, they leveled the mall and BUILT A NEW ONE. a bigger one.

So many squirrel recipes.. but so few spam recipes. Why?

Everyone knows spam is best sliced fresh from the can.

Mall squirrels raised on leftovers from Jamba Juice and Wetzels Pretzels could command a premium. CRs Squirrely-Q could go national. Think of the franchise fees.

mouse over for recipe and recipes for the squirrel enthusiastes

Ala Moana Mall:
Just couple of blocks away, towards Waikiki and inland, there is a little strip mall, where half the stores are vacant. The rest, kind of dead. An older neighborhood place, left to die.

If GS is front-running than I'm going to buy GS stock... oh wait... maybe they are front-running their own stock too...

YLSP,

I would not be suprised. That is the final stage of parasitism

With GS it appears to be a symbiosis with the Fed & DC.

Symbiosis implies that the government benefits in some fashion.

When everyone front-runs everyone and themselves isn't that free market transparency?

Or criminogenic nirvana, one or the other.

C

nytol

Yes, I know. I'm not saying taxpayers benefit, but I'm certain that GS is doing favors for those in power.

No more upscale green shoots...Smith and Hawken is done. Scott's Miracle-Gro, which bought the chain in 2004, is liquidating all 56 stores.

Okay, my mistake. The idea of government for the people is so passe.

Everything in the economy is collapsing except the federal government and what it chooses to prop up.

Not good.

Obama...nice suit, nice talk, no real clue.

Obama...nice suit, nice talk, no real clue.

I disagree. He's merely another of a long line of corporate shills who knows exactly what he's doing.

YLSP-

They do that more than we will ever know........just like today's "wildly successful" 10 year.

Summation of the 10 y= "maths are hard"

Ciao
MS


rich (profile) wrote on Wed, 7/8/2009 - 10:44 pm

Everything in the economy is collapsing except the federal government and what it chooses to prop up.

Not good.

Obama...nice suit, nice talk, no real clue.

Mmmm... smells like late-stage capitalism! If so, we need to start preparing for the reality that there will BE no recovery.

Mmmm... smells like late-stage capitalism! If so, we need to start preparing for the reality that there will BE no recovery.

Yeah, don't know whether to laugh or cry.

rich,
Hope you got out of TBT; I'll be biting on that at the 35-40 level again.

need to start preparing for the reality that there will BE no energy.

minor adjustment

Terrorist!

//Rob Dawg (homepage, profile) wrote on Wed, 7/8/2009 - 9:44 pm
reply ignore user
Okay, my mistake. The idea of government for the people is so passe.
//

Meanwhile, across the pond...

“The prevalence of foreign currency lending may create significant macroeconomic risks,” the ECB said in its report.

Last December, €95.4bn ($132bn, £82.4bn) in euro banknotes were in circulation outside the 16-member currency bloc – mainly in countries to the east and south-east of the eurozone – almost a third higher than the €71.1bn a year earlier.

As a result, 13 per cent of euro banknotes are circulating outside the eurozone, although remittances from family members working in the EU could mean that the figure is as high as 20 per cent.

Non euro-countries continue to lever up.

I wonder how many of those nail salon and bar cash only employees are currently collecting unemployment, food stamps, or other taxpayer provided benefits...

Interesting tidbit that came from the Governator -- Cali only has 12% of the US population but 30% of the welfare cases.

"other taxpayer provided benefits... "

Wanna bet it is less than the Banksters are getting?


TJ and The Bear (profile) wrote on Wed, 7/8/2009 - 10:49 pm

Mmmm... smells like late-stage capitalism! If so, we need to start preparing for the reality that there will BE no recovery.

Yeah, don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Both at once, friends. The black hole economy will consume the real material economy, then gradually parasitize itself. The sleeper must awaken Laughing out loud

Interesting tidbit

pareto distribution?

Ah yes Ah-nold....let's beat the shit out of the poor while waving the conservative "we got ours" crap. Here's a hint arnold...stop paying the stupid legislators until they come up with a workable (not likely) solution. I do admit the state services are a target however that's an issue you should deal with quietly IMO.

Ciao
MS

The quintessential delusion of capitalism, which is the flowering of Western metaphysics, is that the head (caput) can survive without the body.

RIF: you mean I have to consider Viagra and all that?

nail tecs have to go to school and be lic here in AZ. As they are independent contractors they are not elllig to collect unemployment. Food stamps - not sure how that works. I think it is some figuring on income, family size etc.

The bar tenders working for cash are probably paid less than min wage? But maybe tips are good?

I think for any type of assistance you have to show rent reciept, bank stattements etc. Not sure how all that works.

"The black hole economy will consume the real material economy"

With the RE/Investment Bank ponzis representing 40% of corporate profits and at least an equal percentage of contributions to our leaders election campaigns, I suspect we have crossed that threshold already. Surely since we have now offshored a sizable sum of any real economy, the ponzi is what we are left with.

Lucifer (profile) wrote on Wed, 7/8/2009 - 8:50 pm

Terrorist!

They thought they were performing a standard walletectomy but cut too deep and excised my tolerance gland. I mean it isn't like I'm driving across the west with zebra mussels visiting waterworks or wondering aloud what dumping a bag of sharps would do to subway. I mean it isn't like democacies rely upon the consent of the governed or anything.

Related topic, the Cal State system is invoking another round of fee increases but still charging out of state tuition to New Mexico students and no tuition to Mexican National students.

I wonder how many of those nail salon and bar cash only employees are currently collecting unemployment, food stamps, or other taxpayer provided benefits...

  • if they were working 'under the table', probably nothing. Just be glad you aren't one of them.

I have seen fee increases in every city I deal with in AZ. They can't raise taxes or people will be angry. But fees, sure. No one has any say about fees.

Water goes up 18% in SD this year.....19% next year....almost 21% the year after.

Ciao
MS

dawg : those nuevos go to the back of the bus


Comrade Elmer Fudd (profile) wrote on Wed, 7/8/2009 - 11:03 pm

RIF: you mean I have to consider Viagra and all that?

An artificially-induced and temporary inflation necessary due to the fact that the natural economy of the body no longer supports the functionality? Or maybe nature found a solution to our culture.

MS,

You thinking of any catch barrels or basins for brown water?

MS,

You thinking of any catch barrels or basins for brown water?


Blackhalo (homepage, profile) wrote on Wed, 7/8/2009 - 11:03 pm

"The black hole economy will consume the real material economy"

With the RE/Investment Bank ponzis representing 40% of corporate profits and at least an equal percentage of contributions to our leaders election campaigns, I suspect we have crossed that threshold already. Surely since we have now offshored a sizable sum of any real economy, the ponzi is what we are left with.

Yes, and arguably all this Keynesian nonsense is the self-destructive action of an economic system, i.e. the economy consuming itself

Or maybe nature found a solution to our culture.

I've got the 4 hour timer on, send the women over.

'Strip malls' have been difficult for local economic development for a long time. Parking problems, fragmented ownership, absentee owners, and shallow lots make strip malls difficult to redevelop and can quickly become true urban blight. Many cities invest in parking lots, facade programs, and small business loan programs to keep these somewhat attractive and reduce vacancies. In California there are some real successful strip malls but nearly all of them are in affluent, coastal, and/or tourist areas.

Retail trends moved away from strip malls many decades ago, and more recently from regional malls. Regional malls seem to be surviving going downscale if necessary, but losing even low end anchor stores like Mervyns had to hurt. I still haven't seen a complete 'ghost mall' in So Cal yet like I did in the early 90s recession, but I'm sure they are out there.

'Power centers' with big boxes will survive in most areas, and others out in the edge cities will become vast parking lots with lots of room for... something.

The more recent 'Lifestyle Centers' like the Irvine Spectrum will suffer, but except for the more marginal ones like Kaleidoscope I wouldn't expect as many of these to go under.


Comrade Elmer Fudd (profile) wrote on Wed, 7/8/2009 - 11:16 pm

Or maybe nature found a solution to our culture.

I've got the 4 hour timer on, send the women over.

I suspect some nasty surprises lie in wait for us due to our hubris towards our own biological nature.

I know there were jokes about it, but it can't be that hard to convert a strip mall into a jail. Seems like an obvious direction to go too. At least here in Los Angeles.

Regarding the governator's comment. reminds me of a bumper strip...

"if Republicans hate poor people so much, why do they make so many of them?"

"Seems like an obvious direction to go too. At least here in Los Angeles."

Somehow I doubt Cali's problems are with TOO FEW jails...

sorry joking about 4 hour erection or whatever it was still "hubris towards our own biological nature." is right on

"Water goes up 18% in SD this year.....19% next year....almost 21% the year after."

My parents east of Phoenix pay BIG BUCKS ($200-400/mo) for water in summer - their pool doesn't help .........Sure makes me appreciate my crystal clear well water though.

From the BBC

BBC NEWS | Business | Nationwide offers 125% mortgage

Humans are very slow learners it seems. 125% home loans.


Comrade Elmer Fudd (profile) wrote on Wed, 7/8/2009 - 11:26 pm

sorry joking about 4 hour erection or whatever it was still "hubris towards our own biological nature." is right on

Smile But it does express a very common attitude of hubris towards nature that tends to accompany any new technology. The scary thing is to realize it is impossible to have done comprehensive long-term tests on these medications, say after 20-30 years' time. Hope for the best!

Late 2012? Define recovery. It seems like some people may be starting to sandbag their estimates.

"Water goes up 18% in SD this year.....19% next year....almost 21% the year after."

My parents east of Phoenix pay BIG BUCKS ($200-400/mo) for water in summer - their pool doesn't help .........Sure makes me appreciate my crystal clear well water though.

Water will have to get even more expensive out there if growth is to continue. Its the only way to ration the scarce resource and provide incentive to develop more sources.

Blows my mind though - I live less than a mile walk from the Mississippi and as much water as there is in the river there is even more flowing underground through the miles of alluvial sand deposits on both sides. We don't even think about water as a 'resource' here - its taken for granted like sunshine in Arizona.

The PBC has a great show on - "Ascent of Money." They covered the Medichi family (bond market), Dutch East India Co (stock market), John Law (paper money in France); it's very educational & entertaining.

high demand/growth career: Personal Shoppers!

Our Arizona sunshine costs me $400.00 in electric bills each month. That is on the equilizer plan, so it isn't $600.00 per month in the summer.

Our utilities here are killers.

Commodities looking extremely bullish tomorrow.

To get back on the Strip Mall thingy - I've been asking CR & others here if it LOOKS like a recession where they are... one of the measures I use is if there are tumbleweeds in the parking lots of strip malls and factories. Back in the 80s they were common - properties so neglected that the pavement cracked up and tumbleweeds sprouted up through the cracks. My guess is we start seeing that this summer in places.

credit-

i capture the run-off via gutters and use it to water but it rains very little here....so it doesn't really make much difference. I had two 32 gallon container's full and they are out as of two weeks ago.

Water will be the next commodity ala Oil...IMO

Ciao
MS

dry - no tumbleweeds, no parking lot cracks. Just some empty store-fronts. (California, east bay)

Our Arizona sunshine costs me $400.00 in electric bills each month. That is on the equilizer plan, so it isn't $600.00 per month in the summer.

Our utilities here are killers.

We have a couple window air conditioners we use maybe 8-10 times a year when it gets hot* - mostly so we can sleep okay or keep computers running well. So far this year we've run them maybe twice. Forecast shows highs in the upper 70s and nightly lows in the low 60s for almost a week out.

Winter is when we rack up the utility bills - I have a big old pile of wood drying in my driveway now - supplements the nat gas. I bet first frost is less than three months away. Could be as soon as mid Sept.

:: ::

  • Hot by Minnesota standards means over 80 degrees with some humidity. It will occasionally go over 100 here - that about wipes us out.

Brown water to the septic, gray water to the orchard.

If the Russian guy had evidence of front-running or other wrongdoing by Goldman Sachs, I don't think we would have seen things play out the way they did, starting with his leaving the company a month ago.

he may not have any evidence of how what he coded for them was used. I still say that the bigger part of this story is the NYSE giving access to order flow before execution.

But I do think there is much more to this than what we were given....why would they allow this to surface if they didn't have an alternative? May be that they let the short's get good and reloaded after the technical breakdown and then..........hand it back to them...so to speak.

Ciao
MS

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