TALF CMBS Update

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I am shocked as well since for the 1st time in 2.5 years the fed has done something that seems to make sense.

Perhaps TALF has acquired a bad reputation, and it needs to be quietly killed to be replaced with something else. They can point to a lack of interest to prove they need to do something else.

The way the powers that be have pumped up the market certainly calls for a CFM acronym?

CMBS "originally rated AAA"

Isn't that a late-night-infomercial Billy Mays line?

Perhaps TALF has acquired a bad reputation, and it needs to be quietly killed to be replaced with something else. They can point to a lack of interest to prove they need to do something else.

Perhaps they think 'the crisis' is now 'behind us' and are trying to wind things down in a non-news-making basis [outright announcing the end might result in too much heat & light on something they just want to quietly go away].

Only a guess - don't know a thing.

OT: Is there something wrong with the clock on the machine or the server CR is using to post? The times on the blog entries don't look right.

Is that second quote supposed to be sarcastic?

I think I'm missing something...

What if you threw a bailout party and no one showed up?

Words calculated to catch everyone may catch no one

Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.

asterisk, the times on the posts are ET (and usually when I started writing the post, not when I posted it)

best wishes

I don't know which is worse; that I agree with this or that I understand this.

The part about not being able to make your own trades is IMO an interesting warning to other (non-TALF) government program participants.

asterisk (profile) wrote on Mon, 7/6/2009 - 4:26 pm
OT: Is there something wrong with the clock on the machine or the server CR is using to post? The times on the blog entries don't look right.

The time is seasonally and hedonically adjusted for enhanced betterness. Return to your scheduled torpor, citizen.

"Jackson's most valuable asset is his 50% share in the Sony-ATV Music Publishing catalog, which people with knowledge of the partnership value at between $1.5 billion and $2 billion....Earlier this decade, he borrowed $300 million against the catalog. That puts the value of Jackson's share at between $150 million and $400 million."

So Sony could get a huge windfall if they are bought out of the partnership. 500-700 million dollars almost makes up for their 1 billion dollar loss in 2008.

Words calculated to catch everyone may catch no one

Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.

Good one - I'll remember that. Similar theme from my world... if a supplier tells you they can do everything/anything it also means they probably do nothing well.

Ah, that's the difference then. Thanks.

and you can't sell and buyback a bond you already own to create a trade. That's an interesting twist."

You mean tape painting isn't an acceptable way of creating value where there is none? And it's news to this market participant? Hoocoodanode.

"Jobless consumers will hold back recovery"

Jobless consumers will hold back recovery - Eye on the Economy- msnbc.com

If there was only some way we could get rid of them

Hey its July 6. Housing bottomed in June 30 according to Cramer. BOOYAH

I am starting to wonder if the O-Team has a legitimate plan after all, and they have just been making the changeover very, very gradually. This makes me slightly more optimistic.

The Fed is really restricting legacy eligibility:

If only we were as strict with legacy central banks.

"I am starting to wonder if the O-Team has a legitimate plan after all, and they have just been making the changeover very, very gradually. This makes me slightly more optimistic."

One can hope but I doubt it. BHO keeps talking about how the banks have "stabilized" Keep in mind that foreigners would be pretty upset if they found out we were printing more money (on top of the 12 trillion) to be given to the zombie banks.

NateTG,

We tried, and it sorta worked - massive illegal immigration.

It will work pretty well if they actually go home now.

Illegal immigrants are going home--and doing so without Obama appointing an Illegal Immigrant Going Home for Economic Reasons Czar.

Many market participants expected the Fed to include CMBS "originally rated AAA" because S&P has recently placed a large number of CMBS on watch for downgrade.

This coul be a Fed warning to the ratings agencies to play ball or a regulatory stimulus to do deals before downgrades.

Not One Cent,

There is mostly anectotal evidence that some have gone home. One quantitative estimate put it at about 8% (we went from 12 million to 11 million illegal immigrants in the US)

Note that even with no illegal immigration we still have legal immigration (1.1 million people in 2008!!!) and that will add to our unemployment woes if they are unemployed or take jobs from citizens.

I hope the illegal immigrants all go home, but I'll take what I can get.

Legal immigrants who get laid off might not be legal or immigrants for long.

Illegal Immigrants may not all pay income tax but almost all pay sales tax. Or buy stuff from someone who pays(ed) sales tax. That Revenue will be missed. Some Health services will also miss the decline in patients.

"Legal immigrants who get laid off might not be legal or immigrants for long. "

When I was on an H1B I always loved part of my paycheck going to SS, Medicaid, UI and sundry other items even though I couldn't collect anything as soon as I lost my job.

Tim,

Heath services won't mind the decline in non-paying patients.

School Systems won't mind the decline in ESL students, which also reduces school costs.

Any tax revenue lost from illegal immigrants moving home will be made up in full by fewer government services or government-mandated services.

Remittances to Mexico are down at least 30%. For decades we were a pressure relief valve for failed Mexican social policies. Now those disinvestments are preparing to pay disreturns. It is going to be real hard to turn economic refugees away at the southern border when so many are ready to declare them political refugees.

I say we agree to bail our our neighbors in exchange for Baja and oil.

M

I see your point but if you were an ESL program teacher or a clinic that got gov't funding to treat undocumented workers you are out of luck. That's my point. Nothing exits in a vacuum. Some small towns in the Mid-west were happy to see undocumented workers in their towns (so I've read)

I say we agree to bail our our neighbors in exchange for Baja...

Then we'll have to build a fence down the middle of the Sea of Cortez. Think of all the jobs that will produce!

" AnonyMiss
Sorry, I should have stated "anyone who is rationally following this story and attempting an impartial interpretation of the known "facts" in the case."

If you're really still doing this you are set up to be a dupe. Why not examine and follow through on your reason for putting "facts" in quotes? For me, "rationally following" a story these days starts with assuming that the source/writer is trying to manipulate me; it starts with assuming that the story is fake, and then trying to figure out what this implies. Going too far with this method would be paranoid, but I've already known the life of a dupe, and would now err on the side of paranoia: at least then, the "story" is mine.

It will be interesting to assess local economic outcomes against their immigration policies at a future date...

As per legal/illegal immigration & 'returning'... as far as economies go Mexico is taking this economic hit FAR harder than the US so far. We lose some asset valuations - they lose income directly necessary to put food on the table TODAY... there might not be as many returning as you suspect/hope for.

I was in Reynosa a few weeks ago and the guy I was with recounted all the plant closings... one automotive tier one had closed the plant or significantly cut back employment at 9 out of the 10 plants they operate in that region [w/ in a 250 mile radius]. They were at one time the third largest employer in Mexico [behind their fed gov & Pemex - does that then make them the SECOND largest employer since in many ways PEMEX = FED GOV? You decide].

The guy I was with [Mexican national who has lived in both US & Mexico, has a US ex & US kids from first marriage] said the vast majority of the laid off will go north. They have few other choices. As grim as it seems in the US, employment wise it is A LOT better north of the border than south of the border.

Also - I was stopped three times by border patrol on the US side - got the third degree at one of the stops [went sight seeing off the beaten path near Brownsville TX, told that was not an especially wise thing to do... they looked at my plates from Minnesota and said this border isn't exactly the same as the Minnesota Manitoba border and to get my pasty white ass back on the main highway]. Folks getting testy down there.

Then we'll have to build a fence down the middle of the Sea of Cortez. Think of all the jobs that will produce!

they can't even manage to keep trawlers and longliners out of the Sea of Cortez, let alone build a fence....That was one special place in the 60's, 70's and early 80's....

TALF will be replaced by something else. The dollar printing isn't even out of the 1st inning of this game.

MLM (profile) wrote on Mon, 7/6/2009 - 10:05 am

"I say we agree to bail our our neighbors in exchange for Baja..."

Then we'll have to build a fence down the middle of the Sea of Cortez. Think of all the jobs that will produce!

Until it becomes the Straits of Cortez at least.

Seriously, Mexico is in in deep trouble and nobody is concerned. 110m people and no sustainable economy. Island of Nauru times 1,200.

TREASURY AUCTION RESULTS
Term and Type of Security 10-Year TIPS
CUSIP Number 912828LA6
Series D-2019
Interest Rate 1-7/8%
High Yield
1.920%
Allotted at High 23.38%
Adjusted Price 99.592335
Median Yield
1.799%
Low Yield
5
1.630%
Issue Date July 15, 2009
Maturity Date July 15, 2019
Original Issue Date July 15, 2009
Dated Date July 15, 2009

The constitutional prohibition against foreign resource ownership is a big hurdle - it may take serious social unrest before direct foreign investment in the Mexican petroleum sector becomes a reality - as Cantarell continues to crater (super-giant oil field that has carried Mexican oil production that is in irreversible decline). They are trying to finesse things with service contracts, time will tell...

Also, keep your eye on how quickly the Cuban embargo lasts if there are successful results to the offshore leasing and drilling underway there:
petroleumworld

Nauru on steroids - scary imagery, RD - but unfortunately, apt.

dryfly - I think they are testy with good cause.... its getting pretty dangerous... I think lack of remittance is a major reason.... be safe! Smile

The USA offered Mexico $25 million for California and they told us to piss off, so we went to war over much ado about nothing, and paid Mexico $18 million for much of the southwest...

Comeuppance see me sometime~

Foreign central banks are interested in TIPS... Seems like a foolish play to me... I doubt TIPS will rise as much as they should if we get a decline of the dollar.... Anyone have any thoughts....

The rampant manipulation in the equity markets is getting old.

nades (homepage, profile) wrote on Mon, 7/6/2009 - 5:17 pm
Foreign central banks are interested in TIPS... Seems like a foolish play to me... I doubt TIPS will rise as much as they should if we get a decline of the dollar.... Anyone have any thoughts....

TIPS are pick-a-pay mortgages.

The borrower decides how much to pay.

I called the Mexican powder keg before the MSM picked up on the drug wars and swine flu.

The Rubin bailout helped the banks, not Mexico.

GH,

See where things are at the end of the day - program buys after the S&P pinged the 200 DMA, the gap from this morning has been covered - the same old, same old will work until it doesn't...I'm just waiting for Bennie to take expired OTM option contracts as collateral. Wink

dryfly - I think they are testy with good cause.... its getting pretty dangerous... I think lack of remittance is a major reason.... be safe! Smile

Ya I know. The border is pretty intense on both sides. The Mexican side was crawling with Federales near Reynosa... once outside the border zone [~25 miles in Mexico] it was a lot less intense. By the time we got to Monterrey there was no sign of tension. Monterrey was a very nice city - some dicey neighborhoods but really pretty nice. Reminded me of Milan or Barcelona circa 1970s... lots of industry, burgeoning middle class with a well established upper class. I'd live in Monterrey - met folks there who have made the move from the US there and never regretted it. That was NOT what I experienced in Reynosa, Matamoros or other border cities... they seemed like something from 'Outland'.

Unfortunately for Mexico - it is the situation in Reynosa's & TJ's and not in Monterrey's & Guadalajara's that is the driver.

"Seriously, Mexico is in in deep trouble and nobody is concerned. 110m people and no sustainable economy. Island of Nauru times 1,200."

I agree "failed state" is a real danger.

The thing you have to know about Mexico is that much of its population is concentrated in the central part of the state. We will see unrest here on a wide scale there first. The drug violence is on the periphery does not threaten the central government in the near term. IMO of course.

Foreign central banks are interested in TIPS... Seems like a foolish play to me... I doubt TIPS will rise as much as they should if we get a decline of the dollar.... Anyone have any thoughts....

Long TIPS are probably ok over a long horizon. Short TIPS can be dangerous. Ask anyone who held short TIPS when Lehman collapsed. Volatile, painful trade.

"good immigrant" -- arrived before your parents, thus legitimizing your presence.

"bad immigrant" -- arrived when you wanted a scapegoat for your country's woes.

energyecon,

I maintain that the only entities participating in the markets are a bunch of computers, technical trading algorithms, and a few select daytraders that attempt to frontrun the madness. A complete waste of time. But obviously nobody large is selling right now -- plus some of the large players like Calpers are no longer putting their shares up for borrow. Eventually we'll have a selling catalyst, and then things will get interesting.

But until then I see no reason to participate in these markets at all....

I'd be a buyer of TIPS if they were actually inflation protected. Instead, they are CPI as pronounced by the government protected.

The recent spate of Mexican immigrants in the past 30 years was because of hyperinflation, there.

Imagine the Dollar being worth 1/800th of it previous value, 15 years later?

That's what happened to the Peso.

It was a win-win for American businesses that could hire people to work on the cheap, but now it appears to be a lose-lose.

Well, I spoke with the seller's lender today, and was basically told to take a flying leap on the short sale...

a few select daytraders that attempt to frontrun the madness

Which is the equivalent of heads=SSO and tails=SDS.

"But until then I see no reason to participate in these markets at all...."

I think many people are of the same opinion. Hence the lower volumes and larger percentage of said volumes being program trading. When will the sheeple get the memo that the markets don't reflect much of anything these days?

TIPS aren't a good investment in this environment because their price is interest rate sensitive. Although commodity inflation is around the corner, there's not much near-term expectation for CPI inflation. The CPI has become sort of a joke, and it is being gamed by the govt. The falling rents also don't help the CPI go up near-term.

Comrade Scott (profile) wrote on Mon, 7/6/2009 - 10:38 am

Well, I spoke with the seller's lender today, and was basically told to take a flying leap on the short sale...

Short sales are FB delay tactics. Don't participate. As a buyer your only outcome is buying a property worth less than you bid. Short sales are not exposed to the market. The decision is left up to the entity with a wishing price.

Tim waiting for 2012 (homepage, profile) wrote on Mon, 7/6/2009 - 1:31 pm

"Seriously, Mexico is in in deep trouble and nobody is concerned. 110m people and no sustainable economy. Island of Nauru times 1,200."

I agree "failed state" is a real danger.

Well, there's the part where you can't do anything about it, and then there's the part where your nation parallels their arc and is itself without industry, without plan, full of ignorant peasants, likely to become a failed state, etc. So. I would worry more about things that you have some chance of influencing.

Comrade Scott - Tell him you'll give him a call in 4 months with an offer that is 15% less... Then wish him luck! Wink

..............

All thanks for the TIPS replies...

"Short sales are FB delay tactics. Don't participate. As a buyer your only outcome is buying a property worth less than you bid. Short sales are not exposed to the market. The decision is left up to the entity with a wishing price."

Agreed, short sales are for suckers who want to overpay for a property. Every situation I have seen where a short sale was rejected resulted in a lower price being accepted in REO.

Wait it out and pick the property up on 6-9 months cheaper.

Speaking of which I was at a friends place this weekend in Mystic Conn.... Right on the water... Simply beautiful. The family selling the property put it on the market about a year ago. My friends put in an offer that was close to the asking price but a little below. They didnt even get a reply from the sellers. Nothing. They just picked it up for <$200K> than the first offer. The guy brought the original offer to the closing.... LOL ! ! ! Smile

Edited

Heh - yeah, I didn't really think they would be open to it, but he was clearly annoyed, so it's hitting home somewhere. This guy works for a an AGM originator (Farmer Mac), and I'm pouring over the past two quarterlies now...

I made my offer (verbal), which would be actually 'fair' (based on comps), and that's it. I don't expect to see the trustee again until we're on the courthouse steps, not before. I said I thought it was badly underwater and that there was a huge discrepancy in our appraisals at the time of the last transaction (like 40%); he said he'd try to find me a nice new neighbor. The specuvestor was an idiot and she's now thoroughly screwed (and knows it), so it's hard to stay angry at her, but this guy...I'm going to enjoy it if I get to rub his nose in it.

I've been waiting for three years, I can wait another year. They'll relist again for six months and maybe get religion or the specuvestor will force the lender's hand by walking away.

Who knew farmers could get I/O Option pay loans? The specuvestor 'fessed up to me that her balance was now larger than the original note...crazy!

Cheers!

I get a kick out of these Ally Bank commercials...

Does anyone here use them? Anything good to say about them?

Temecula Valley Bank back on the top 5 most likely to be heard from on Friday list:

Investor group cancels plan to aid Temecula Valley Bancorp
By Mike Freeman
Union-Tribune Staff Writer
2:00 a.m. July 3, 2009
A plan to rescue troubled Temecula Valley Bancorp has fallen through, leaving the bank with looming deadlines from regulators to raise $71 million in additional capital.
The bank, which has seven branches in San Diego County, said this week that a nonbinding letter of intent from a group of investors to inject up to $210 million into the bank had been withdrawn.
In May, Bancroft Capital LLC of Manhattan Beach and institutional investors said they would take a 95 percent stake in the ailing bank, pending due diligence.
Bancroft Capital founder Douglas McDonald said in a statement that his group worked with the bank's management to structure a workable deal. “However, given the macro-economic factors at play and the continued deterioration in market fundamentals, we regrettably could not structure a feasible solution given the challenges that presented themselves,” he said.
Bancroft did not return a phone call seeking additional comment. Because of heavy losses on its portfolio of real estate development loans, Temecula Valley Bancorp needs to raise money to return to a capital level that federal and state regulators consider solid. The bank faces a Monday deadline from the state Department of Financial Institutions to raise additional funds. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. has given Temecula Valley until July 15 to boost its capital cushion under a cease-and-desist order issued in February. The bank is working with financial adviser Stifel Nicolaus & Co. in hopes of finding more money. But Chief Executive Frank Basirico acknowledged that raising the funds in the next few days is unlikely.
“Having said that, there are other banks where a deadline has passed and they're still operational,” he said.
The bank is cooperating with regulators and implementing a plan to become financially healthly, Basirico said.
“The ball is in the regulators' court,” he said. “I think we're in virgin territory on some of these things. We are making a lot of progress. . . . Time unfortunately is not on our side right now.” A call to state regulators was not returned. An FDIC spokesman said the agency does not discuss specific institutions that have entered into cease-and-desist orders. The bank's shares fell 7 cents yesterday to close at 31 cents.
Union-Tribune
In the Union-Tribune on Page E1

"Well, there's the part where you can't do anything about it, and then there's the part where your nation parallels their arc and is itself without industry, without plan, full of ignorant peasants, likely to become a failed state, etc. So. I would worry more about things that you have some chance of influencing."

Gets bad enough, we have to invade. I speak as a liberal.

A poor, economically chaotic Mexico was a great source of cheap labor for 100 years. That's why TBTP don't really give a damn what happens down there, as long as cheap workers kept wandering north and, later, there was the opportunity to skip around U.S. social laws by manufacturing south of the border. But now that political and civil chaos has followed on the economic chaos -- more or less inevitable -- this isn't going to work out much longer.

I speak in part facetiously -- power structure in Mexico and the U.S. are joined at the hip. It'll never happen in the current political climate. But if you think this climate is stable, you're making the same mistake everyone has on the economy and judging the future by the immediate and medium-term past.

Does anyone use them?

Brokered deposits?

...the equivalent of heads=SSO and tails=SDS.

Mr. Market seems to have little memory for the day before. Very newsflow-driven on a daily basis.

Oh, noez, someone is trying to enforce some honesty.

Hmmm, comrade Scott.

Call him up with an offer 1% less than the day before everyday. If you have
the time. Mess with his mind.

Am in an evil mood.

If it gets bad enough, it won't be an "invasion" - it will be a "humanitarian relief mission" - after which we will help them with that pesky problem of underdevelopment of their petroleum resources...

time for the Fed to back to obedience training. Their masters are not going to like this misbehavior!

Seriously, Mexico is in in deep trouble and nobody is concerned. 110m people and no sustainable economy. Island of Nauru times 1,200.

Ok, now I've got to call you out on this one. The Island of Nauru at least has nigerian prince scams and prison camps...

But seriously, mexico has oil, gold, silver, and a close proximity to the richest nation in the world. If anything, it can offer suitable sunny plots of land and a friendly ruling regime for bankerdomes to be constructed as our landed gentry flees the cannibal apocalypse this country will become...

You people need to play the board game Monopoly™ with the strict rules. No Free Parking pot and when a person declines to purchase on landing the property goes to bid. It is absolute evil joy to see the reactions to what happens playing the rules.

Rob, only rules we play by at our house. Playing somebody who hasn't played the 'real' rules is sheer joy.

What is today's exchange rate of pesos to bear chits (CA IOUs)?

Mexico racing against time at Cantarell oil field
MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico's state energy company Pemex is scrambling to extract what oil it can from its key Cantarell deposit as growing water and natural gas levels in the giant field depress yields of crude.

Cantarell produced more than 2 million barrels per day as recently as 2004, but yield has plunged as the aging field enters its natural decline phase, sending Mexican oil production tumbling to its lowest level since the mid-1990s.

The giant offshore Akal field and several nearby deposits that Pemex groups as Cantarell produced only 713,000 bpd in April, below Pemex's forecast of 756,000 bpd for 2009. Yields from the area have fallen at annualized rates of more than 35 percent in recent months.
Mexico racing against time at Cantarell oil field
| Reuters

Mexico Budget Gap Fuels Debt Sales, Ratings Concern (Update2)
The deficit in Mexico, while less than half the gap in neighboring U.S. as a percentage of GDP, is more of a concern because 37 percent of the budget is funded by oil, a revenue source that “is very volatile,” Galvan said.
Mexico Budget Gap Fuels Debt Sales, Ratings Concern (Update2) - Bloomberg.com

You people need to play the board game Monopoly™ with the strict rules. No Free Parking pot and when a person declines to purchase on landing the property goes to bid.

Is that the ruleset where you can get crippled by polio, you have to pay a set fee for pinkerton to run around murdering strike leaders and communist agitators, once you get a railroad you can encourage farmers to build out and make land arable along your line and then purchase their properties back from them at pennies on the dollar after you drive them out of business by hiking rail fees...

There might be a market for some blood and guts 1930's style monopoly.

Then again, there might be a market for Tarpopoly, a new kind of game where the purpose of play is to get money from the government by owning as much property as possible and going bankrupt as much as possible... someone stop me, I think I've got a real winner here...

Don't stop, Hoops, I think you do.

Must get back to work.

Study your Chem. . . . Ruler cracks on knuckles.

The giant offshore Akal field and several nearby deposits that Pemex groups as Cantarell produced only 713,000 bpd in April, below Pemex's forecast of 756,000 bpd for 2009. Yields from the area have fallen at annualized rates of more than 35 percent in recent months.

My college chemistry class is taught by an ex oil rig technician. He is convinced from his experience out managing multiple oil fields that peak oil is happening. He's studying to be a pharmacy tech, just in time for the CRE implosion and all the wallgreens to shut down. He also just bought a house on the edge of the edge of the edge of the sacramento valley sprawl, in rancho cordova, where I estimate they'll be burning houses within 10 years because they're too far out to manage and they're too far away from jobs to be good for anything but prostitution, meth labs, and homeless encampments. I think he's about as unlucky as a man could possibly be.

it looks like the rally monkey is back this afternoon

"You people need to play the board game Monopoly™ with the strict rules. No Free Parking pot and when a person declines to purchase on landing the property goes to bid. It is absolute evil joy to see the reactions to what happens playing the rules."

Damn, just get all the railroads by hook or by crook and you can crush all the other players like bugs. That's real monopoly.

Nades,

Ally, formerly GMAC, has higher interest rates on CDs & money markets than most other banks & credit unions if you don't have enough cash to do brokered CDs. Around 3 years ago (I think) the WSJ ran an article comparing CD rates & GMAC offered the highest interest rates or close to it. That's when I started using it for CDs & eventually a money market account. I don't do alot of rate research, but I check average interest rates every so often & ally bank's still seem to be well higher than the average rate offered.

Never had any problem w/the bank, usually I haven't had to wait on hold for long on the few occasions I telephone and the CSRs are usually ok, know what they're doing, polite, etc. You can do pretty much everything online, I think, if that's your preference.

"If it gets bad enough, it won't be an "invasion" - it will be a "humanitarian relief mission"

Just wondering,with what army? Aren't we a little overstretched at the moment? And who's going to pay for this "humanitarian relief"? The Chinese? Grabbing oil after we've shared our humanity with folks didn't work so well in Iraq.

The boys are coming home, didn't you hear? And much shorter supply lines...just sayin'

"...and you can't sell and buyback a bond you already own to create a trade. That's an interesting twist."

Ah, I see--this is part of the Federal jobs program. Is there anything to prevent a third party from buying the heavily discounted CMBS and selling them back to the original owner with a slight markup?

With consumer deleveraging and credit crunch - we cannot have any quick recovery - L is best case scenario. Speculative stock buying and PPT euphoria is no substitute for anything.

Credit is falling so much - private credit decreased by $1.8 Trillion is the first quarter, consumer credit by $90.7 billion (annualized). Household net worth down by $13.87 trillion.

There is no trigger for recovery - new technology, new markets, demographics, new ideas. Green is just a boondoggle and BRICs can only do so much. JPM and GS etc are just trying to create another bubble - it suits their ends not yours.

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