The California Association of Realtors expects to make sharp downward revisions in its recent monthly reports of soaring home sales in the San Diego area, Robert Kleinhenz, deputy chief economist of the trade group, said in an interview.
Those revisions will mean modest downward revisions in statewide sales, he added.
The revisions are likely to be announced in late July, when the Realtor group reports home sales for June.
The problem resulted from a glitch in data from a multiple-listing service in San Diego, Mr. Kleinhenz said.
He said a change in computer systems used there resulted in incorrect data being sent to the Realtor association over the past year or so.
From the article the Goldman connection is fascinating:
A joint venture of New York-based Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Gencom Group of Miami bought the Ritz-Carlton Kapalua in Hawaii in March 2006 and renovated the property before defaulting in April on a $260 million loan from Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., according to a May 6 regulatory filing by Maui Land & Pineapple Co. Inc. The Kahului, Hawaii-based firm sold the land under the hotel and owns 16 percent of the venture.
The funny thing is the facility is suffering because of the massive perks and travel cutbacks in the financial industry. Karma.
From the prepignition thread previous: sm_landlord (profile) wrote (in reply to...) on Wed, 7/1/2009 - 10:06 am
""That's the future of all new vehicle sales not just electrics. " [factory direct]"
I just realized that Amazon could be your next car dealer. Think about it:
1. Online reviews
2. Direct ordering
3. No annoying dealers or sales sharks
4. Best of all: No Sales Tax.
And, it would be a boon for independent service providers, who would get the servicing work because Amazon would not want to have a nexus in the state they sold in to. Couldn't happen to a nicer CARtel than the current dealers.
4. California and many other States have "use taxes" that already cover this circumstance. Sure, mostly ignored in practice but just try and register the vehicle and see what happens.
Fannie, Freddie to expand refinance program-source
WASHINGTON, July 1 (Reuters) - Fannie Mae (FNM.N) and Freddie Mac (FRE.N) will expand their foreclosure-prevention efforts and refinance homeowners whose loan-to-value ratio is 125 percent, an administration souce said on Wednesday.
Under current rules, the mortgage finance companies may refinance only borrowers whose mortgage loan-to-value ratio is 105 percent. The new policy is intended to aid more struggling borrowers who have seen their property lose value in the recent years of a housing crisis.
Pretty much more evidence tha the action of government to stabilize the economy by providing excessive and cheap credit is ineffective. It has been rendered to be so by de-leveraging or decrease demand for loans by both producers & consumers. In addition, banks figured it is much more profitable to buy loans than to originate them.
YES WE CAN! : )
p.s. Edited, linked wrong article.
More tawdry news on the Madoff front. Lawsuits have been filed against Stanley Chais and Jeffry Picower for receiving what appear to be suspiciously generous and apparently preferential returns for their investments. An investigative report by ProPublica documents that Picower and his family withdrew an astonishing $5.1 billion from Madoff — more, apparently, than Madoff himself. Chais and Picower had been two of the most generous donors to Jewish causes, as well as a number of non-Jewish causes. (Just four months ago, Israeli non-profits held an event to honor Chais for his generosity through the years).
What this means is that the damage to Jewish institutional life seems to be both deeper and more insidious than was first suspected when Madoff bomb first went off and vaporized endowments and fortunes. Jewish philanthropy was awash in fictional money; now, we learn, it may also have been steeped in dirty money — money that helped obtain awards, encomiums, board seats and status.
This is, of course, the currency of philanthropy. Donors give money, and in return they get recognition, respect, publicity, loyalty, and a good (or a least a better) name. There’s a certain logic in this, and even a certain social benefit: Many big donors wouldn’t give a penny, or certainly not as much as they do give, if they weren’t paid back in prestige. They buy a little prestige, and society gets money for good works.
Generosity is only truly generosity when the money is given for the sake of the giving, but life is imperfect, and such is the way of the world.
But let’s not fool ourselves about the devil’s side of this devil’s bargain. The Madoff affair isn’t the first time we’ve seen big Jewish donors turn out to be big Jewish crooks. When you use money as a gauge of character, you get what you pay for.
The Forward’s editorial director, J.J. Goldberg, recently examined what the Madoff scandal says about Jewish money, charity, and morality. It isn’t pretty. But it’s worth thinking about.
Those container ships stack the boxes pretty high (they look like they'd capsize with a wave from a speedboat), so maybe we could just ship hotels to China/SE Asia in one piece.
To make it a real adventure, they could rent rooms on the hotels being shipped via container vessel.
"Fannie, Freddie to expand refinance program-source"
Of course, this expansion, like the existing program, is illegal, as these loans are being purchase without credit enhancement, which, by law, is required on all loans over 80LTV.
The FHFA got a legal opinion that these refis are considered "modifications", which they are not: a new mortgage note is being created that is purchased by Fannie/Freddie.
"No such purchase of a conventional mortgage secured by a property comprising one- to four-family dwelling units shall be made if the outstanding principal balance of the mortgage at the time of purchase exceeds 80 per centum of the value of the property securing the mortgage, unless
(A) the seller retains a participation of not less than 10 per centum in the mortgage;
(B) for such period and under such circumstances as the corporation may require, the seller agrees to repurchase or replace the mortgage upon demand of the corporation in the event that the mortgage is in default; or
(C) that portion of the unpaid principal balance of the mortgage which is in excess of such 80 per centum is guaranteed or insured by a qualified insurer as determined by the corporation. "
"Fannie, Freddie to expand refinance program-source"
I rent. I save money. I live well within my means. I work hard. I am very, very very angry. I'd like to think I'm not alone, but judging from the lack of public outrage over all this crap, it appears maybe I am.
"#4. California and many other States have "use taxes" that already cover this circumstance. Sure, mostly ignored in practice but just try and register the vehicle and see what happens."
There are "haven states" that have pretty reasonable use/registration fees. Especially compared to California. Some of these states are quite close by.
"Reality check: The new policy is intended to aid the struggling banks... "
exactly, as I said yesterday, this is a ploy to get homeowners to make an uneconomical decision. if these borrowers were rational and walked away (or better yet, defaulted and stayed until they were evicted), the bankers club would have a few less members, and we would be left with new banks managed by responsible people to fill the void. we wouldn't want that.
you are not alone...bailout fatigue is wearing me down...Csc had it right..maybe its best to relax, roll a fatty and forget about it...Walden ponds with a sack of the good stuff...
Walden Pond is about 100 yards away from a major, traffic filled divided highway. No solitude there I'm afraid. Hell, If I wasn't effectively paying for all this, I wouldn't care.
JBR,
I think we're all a bit upset over all the BS that has been shoveled down our collective throats by TPTB.
The time will come soon enough for action; until then take care of you and yours (as it seems you have been).
Payback is a bitch.
Remember the revolution will NOT be televised (or even Hulu'd).
The rage that is simmering just below the surface may be just about to erupt.
Take care, sir.
"Borrowers who apply for Relief Refinance Mortgages through their current servicer will not need to be re-underwritten in most cases."
Strange as this may sound, the number one thing you can do is push for an audit and restriction of the Federal Reserve.
Without the Fed's support of the MBS market to the tune of $1.25T, the Administration would be forced to deal with these animals, as the housing finance system would collapse without the Fed buying all that paper. A housing finance collapse would force needed change.
Instead, it is business as unusual, and we all pay for it.
China Rethinks H1N1 Flu Strategies
July 1, 2009, 7:06 AM ET
The steady spread of H1N1 flu through China is forcing national health authorities to adjust their containment strategies and take a case-by-case approach at the provincial level. More than 800 people have been diagnosed with the flu on the mainland to date — 240 in southern Guangdong Province alone — although no deaths have been officially linked to the virus yet.
In Guangdong, a series of outbreaks has shut down primary schools in recent days. Local cases now outnumber imported cases in the province, and the public health system is showing signs of over-stretch.
“For the next step, Guangdong should consider encouraging infected patients with light symptoms to go to outpatient clinics or to receive treatment at home,” a Health Ministry announcement read yesterday.
Swine flu concerns rise in Southern Hemisphere
Several provinces in Argentina declared a health emergency Tuesday as the number of H1N1 cases continues to rise.
By Sara Miller Llana
Buenos Aires - As the number of diagnosed cases of swine flu recedes in the Northern Hemisphere, several countries in the Southern Hemisphere are now struggling with how to respond to the H1N1 virus.
Argentina is now surpassed only by Mexico and the US in swine flu-related deaths, but has not chosen – so far – to close down major public venues, restaurants, and schools to the same extent. But that may change as health experts warn that the virus appears to be spreading as the Southern Hemisphere moves into winter. Swine flu concerns rise in Southern Hemisphere | csmonitor.com
July 1 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve should use its emergency powers to immediately limit rate increases on existing credit-card balances, U.S. Senator Charles Schumer said, to protect consumers before a law takes full effect in February.
Taking the H1N1 fear out of the equation, are the number of flu cases down there higher or lower compared to the same time in previous years? I'm weary of the H1N1--in cases like it getting together with its avian flu relative--but what am I missing behind the death count and numbers infected?
I was sitting at lunch and I had a couple of shills in front of me talking about the job market and when its going to get better, and then the conversation changed to one of them buying a home, but he was unsure because he had $45,000 in credit card debt and that if he bought a home he could roll it all in to the cost.
Just and unreal unrealistic conversation.
$45,000 in credit card debt...I think I would hang myself
"No such purchase of a conventional mortgage secured by a property comprising one- to four-family dwelling units shall be made if the outstanding principal balance of the mortgage at the time of purchase exceeds 80 per centum of the value of the property securing the mortgage, unless
(A) the seller retains a participation of not less than 10 per centum in the mortgage;
(B) for such period and under such circumstances as the corporation may require, the seller agrees to repurchase or replace the mortgage upon demand of the corporation in the event that the mortgage is in default; or
(C) that portion of the unpaid principal balance of the mortgage which is in excess of such 80 per centum is guaranteed or insured by a qualified insurer as determined by the corporation."
I understand Mr Lockhart, their regulator, obtained a legal opinion that these new loans are "modifications". However, given that new mortgage notes are being created, I fail to understand how these are "modifications".
I thought we were a nation of laws. I thought it was the responsibility of my elected officials to set those laws. I guess I was wrong."
"I rent. I save money. I live well within my means. I work hard. I am very, very very angry. I'd like to think I'm not alone, but judging from the lack of public outrage over all this crap, it appears maybe I am."
There will be a few million people march in DC one of these days, when Unemployment hits 10* % or may be some other trigger, who knows.
Now if I could refi at 5.45% and 125% LTV I could purchase 6.2% double tax free CA GO bonds of the same term and live off the interest differential. Win-win and the mortgage interest is deducible.
IMO The protests will start on the internet with hackers crashing gov websites. Then will move into the streets as UE among young people will go north of 20%. Remember these kids have a lot of energy.
IMO The protests will start on the internet with hackers crashing gov websites. Then will move into the streets as UE among young people will go north of 20%. Remember these kids have a lot of energy.
They'll still need a few cynical old farts behind the scenes pointing out the weak points in society. A couple battery operated skilsaws could drop freeway signs across every lane in both directions with ease. Takes years of seething resentment against the system to come up with stuff like that.
energyecon (homepage, profile) wrote on Wed, 7/1/2009 - 10:35 am Can I get my nothingburger super-sized?
China Rethinks H1N1 Flu Strategies
July 1, 2009, 7:06 AM ET
In Guangdong, a series of outbreaks has shut down primary schools in recent days. Local cases now outnumber imported cases in the province, and the public health system is showing signs of over-stretch.
“For the next step, Guangdong should consider encouraging infected patients with light symptoms to go to outpatient
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Makes sense to me -- China's not quite like 'Hotel California': you can still leave, you just have to go through Guangzhou/Hong Kong. Actually, I have flown in and out of Beijing, but Guangzhou seems to be the entry/exit point of choice for most foreing nationals. Maybe this is a holdover from the imperial days when the city was called 'Canton'?
PEOPLE x 10^9 = Look for lots of flu action in this neck of the woods ....
"Fannie, Freddie to expand refinance program-source"
Of course, this expansion, like the existing program, is illegal, as these loans are being purchase without credit enhancement, which, by law, is required on all loans over 80LTV
but in the previous thread you posted this:
WASHINGTON - U.S. Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan today announced an expansion of the Obama Administration's Home Affordable Refinance Program to include participation by borrowers who are current but up to 125 percent underwater on their mortgage. Under authorization provided by the Federal Housing Finance Agency, borrowers whose mortgages are currently owned or guaranteed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will now be allowed to refinance those loans according to the terms of the Home Affordable Refinance program established earlier this year.
Sounds like a big nothingburger. Just trying to get a few more payments out of folks they are already on the hook for and will probably walk away anyway.
"Reality check: The new policy is intended to aid the struggling banks... "
Yep, and each new scheme gets fewer and fewer takers. Denial keeps everyone from seeing reality all at the same time. Denial is usually strongest in those in positions of authority.
125% LTV refis?
Just another way to 'capture' those who might walk away into the blue yonder scot-free and put the load back on the banks that made these foolish loans in the first place.
Non-recourse vs. recourse.
OR am I mistaken?
Tim waiting for 2012 (homepage, profile) wrote on Wed, 7/1/2009 - 10:56 am
Always starts off small.
Always used to start small. This time will be different and there will be no containment. Flashmobs will be the shock and awe tool of the domestic rebellion. It'll go viral with the first social order capitulation.
Non-recourse vs. recourse yeah, if there are any non-recourse that haven't refi'd at least once already. But according to the atty. comments on this site, recourse doesn't happen anyway -- too time consuming, etc. That's what I think they said anyway.
IMO The protests will start on the internet with hackers crashing gov websites. Then will move into the streets as UE among young people will go north of 20%. Remember these kids have a lot of energy.
We HAVE to bring Manufacturing back to the US, can't create employment any other way for the young ones. May be dollar devaluation to that end is not a totally bad thing. You are right, idle young folks is a recipe for unrest,
"borrowers whose mortgages are currently owned or guaranteed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will now be allowed to refinance"
Black Dog - no, that is the charade the govt is trying to pull. But when you refinance these loans, your old loan with Fannie/Freddie is cancelled, and you sign a brand new mortgage note. This mortgage will have different terms, a different mortgage number, etc. It is a new loan, funded by the bank.
Then the bank will sell this new loan to fannie/freddie.
The restriction on the existing loan being with fannie/freddie is a way to couch these as "modifications", but they are not modifications of the existing loan. That loan is canceled, and a new one takes its place.
I actually don't have a problem with the concept of just reducing the rate, the problem is, someone owns the cash flows from the existing loan, so they are getting screwed out of their interest rate cash flows they thought they would get. Second problem is, it is illegal.
If Fannie/Freddie bought these loans out of the MBS at market prices, and Congress changed their charters to allow these refis, I would be fine with them (though I think it is a stupid idea for a borrower to do, but that is their problem).
Where I have a problem is a) someone gets screwed, and b) the law is being broken.
Two concepts, of course, that the BHO administration apparently has no problem with.
They are setting dangerous precedents like this over and over, which, if the population starts following their lead, will result in severe civil disorder. The govt should be setting a good, not bad, example.
This time the bullet cold rocked ya
A yellow ribbon instead of a swastika
Nothin' proper about ya propaganda
Fools follow rules when the set commands ya
Said it was blue
When the blood was red
That's how ya got a bullet blasted through ya head
Blasted through ya head
Blasted through ya head
I give a shout out to the living dead
Who stood and watched as the feds cold centralized
So serene on the screen
You was mesmerised
Cellular phones soundin' a death tone
Corporations cold
Turn ya to stone before ya realise
They load the clip in omnicolour
Said they pack the 9, they fire at their prime time
Sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz
And mutha fuckas lost their minds
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Run it!
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Checka, checka, check it out
They load the clip in omnicolour
Said they pack the 9, they fire it at prime time
Sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz
And mutha fuckas lost their minds
No escape from the mass mind rape
Play it again jack and then rewind the tape
And then play it again and again and again
Until ya mind is locked in
Believin' all the lies that they're tellin' ya
Buyin' all the products that they're sellin' ya
They say jump and ya say how high
Ya brain-dead
Ya gotta fuckin' bullet in ya head
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Uggh! Yeah! Yea!
Ya standin' in line
Believin' the lies
Ya bowin' down to the flag
Ya gotta bullet in ya head
Ya standin' in line
Believin' the lies
Ya bowin' down to the flag
Ya gotta bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head!
A bullet in ya head!
A bullet in ya head!
A bullet in ya head!
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Ya gotta bullet in ya fuckin' head!
You know I had some fun poking around back in CR's archive and found last year's June vehicle sales posting:
Ford was down 28%- so when you add this years 11% drop to 145,153 you have significant cliff diving.
So in 2008 they sold roughly 163k vehicles,
but in 2007 they sold roughly 226k vehicles.
so the drop from 2007 is more like 35.8%
A mighty crash indeed.
Can Ford survive selling one third fewer vehicles?
Same problem with hotels.
I could not resist- i added a definition for Velvet Fist of Government to the glossary.
A small contribution to the meme of doom and gloom.
OT, thanks for the link, I didn't know the Forward still existed. The Musem of the City of New York had an interesting & fairly extensive exhibit on the Forward within the last few years (can't remember which one). Nice to know it's still around.
We need to starve the financial beast. Given how bad shape the economy is the DJIA should be at 6000 now but people keep bidding it up...anyway....
What are our demands? Here's part of the list:
* All the financial fraudsters are investigated, indicted, and prosecuted. This includes the con artists in CONgress who got "special deals" from Mozilo and his "Friends of Angelo" program (and who are blocking a subpoena to BofA as it would implicate them), it includes those past and current members of Government Sachs, and it includes all those other
financial "professionals" who deceived Americans and others with their sale of toxic exploding mortgage products along with the securities supposedly backed by them.
* Glass-Steagall is restored, in full, and all the firms that can't exist under it are broken up. Period.
Pigged.....
Those green shoots? Never mind...........
Glitch Inflated Home-Sales Data - WSJ.com (sub may be required)
The California Association of Realtors expects to make sharp downward revisions in its recent monthly reports of soaring home sales in the San Diego area, Robert Kleinhenz, deputy chief economist of the trade group, said in an interview.
Those revisions will mean modest downward revisions in statewide sales, he added.
The revisions are likely to be announced in late July, when the Realtor group reports home sales for June.
The problem resulted from a glitch in data from a multiple-listing service in San Diego, Mr. Kleinhenz said.
He said a change in computer systems used there resulted in incorrect data being sent to the Realtor association over the past year or so.
Ben'll save em?
Note to self: Do not buy hotel REITs.
From the article the Goldman connection is fascinating:
A joint venture of New York-based Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Gencom Group of Miami bought the Ritz-Carlton Kapalua in Hawaii in March 2006 and renovated the property before defaulting in April on a $260 million loan from Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., according to a May 6 regulatory filing by Maui Land & Pineapple Co. Inc. The Kahului, Hawaii-based firm sold the land under the hotel and owns 16 percent of the venture.
The funny thing is the facility is suffering because of the massive perks and travel cutbacks in the financial industry. Karma.
And there would still be too many...
Off topic (sorta): Cali says it has one more day...
State IOUs loom as foes' battle lines harden - Los Angeles Times
Infighting continues. Does it matter who wins if the ship sinks under both of you?
sm_landlord (profile) wrote on Wed, 7/1/2009 - 10:08 am
Note to self: Do not buy hotel REITs.
Gonna have to buy 'em eventually to close out those massive short positions.
A joint venture by Goldman Sachs defaults on a loan made by LEH? The finance industry really is incestuous.
OT-- Chrysler sales down 42% y/y, Ford estimates industry down 27% y/y for June.
Motel 6's “We have no money to Leave the Lights On"
Hampton Inns? They seem to be everywhere.
From the prepignition thread previous:
sm_landlord (profile) wrote (in reply to...) on Wed, 7/1/2009 - 10:06 am
""That's the future of all new vehicle sales not just electrics. " [factory direct]"
I just realized that Amazon could be your next car dealer. Think about it:
1. Online reviews
2. Direct ordering
3. No annoying dealers or sales sharks
4. Best of all: No Sales Tax.
And, it would be a boon for independent service providers, who would get the servicing work because Amazon would not want to have a nexus in the state they sold in to. Couldn't happen to a nicer CARtel than the current dealers.
4. California and many other States have "use taxes" that already cover this circumstance. Sure, mostly ignored in practice but just try and register the vehicle and see what happens.
Fannie, Freddie to expand refinance program-source
WASHINGTON, July 1 (Reuters) - Fannie Mae (FNM.N) and Freddie Mac (FRE.N) will expand their foreclosure-prevention efforts and refinance homeowners whose loan-to-value ratio is 125 percent, an administration souce said on Wednesday.
Under current rules, the mortgage finance companies may refinance only borrowers whose mortgage loan-to-value ratio is 105 percent. The new policy is intended to aid more struggling borrowers who have seen their property lose value in the recent years of a housing crisis.
Fannie, Freddie to expand refinance program-source
| Reuters
Somebody will bail them out. at taxpayer expense
The new policy is intended to aid more struggling borrowers who have seen their property lose value in the recent years of a housing crisis.
Reality check: The new policy is intended to aid the struggling banks...
I guess Fannie and Freddie are expecting those home values to rebound quickly. I'm not sure that's a wise expectation.
yet another nail into green shoots coffin:
Banks `Burned Once' by Home Bonds Raise Holdings 5.6% (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
"Banks `Burned Once' by Home Bonds Raise Holdings 5.6%"
Pretty much more evidence tha the action of government to stabilize the economy by providing excessive and cheap credit is ineffective. It has been rendered to be so by de-leveraging or decrease demand for loans by both producers & consumers. In addition, banks figured it is much more profitable to buy loans than to originate them.
YES WE CAN! : )
p.s. Edited, linked wrong article.
OT - Madoff
On Madoff, Charity and Morality
By Anthony Weiss
More tawdry news on the Madoff front. Lawsuits have been filed against Stanley Chais and Jeffry Picower for receiving what appear to be suspiciously generous and apparently preferential returns for their investments. An investigative report by ProPublica documents that Picower and his family withdrew an astonishing $5.1 billion from Madoff — more, apparently, than Madoff himself. Chais and Picower had been two of the most generous donors to Jewish causes, as well as a number of non-Jewish causes. (Just four months ago, Israeli non-profits held an event to honor Chais for his generosity through the years).
What this means is that the damage to Jewish institutional life seems to be both deeper and more insidious than was first suspected when Madoff bomb first went off and vaporized endowments and fortunes. Jewish philanthropy was awash in fictional money; now, we learn, it may also have been steeped in dirty money — money that helped obtain awards, encomiums, board seats and status.
This is, of course, the currency of philanthropy. Donors give money, and in return they get recognition, respect, publicity, loyalty, and a good (or a least a better) name. There’s a certain logic in this, and even a certain social benefit: Many big donors wouldn’t give a penny, or certainly not as much as they do give, if they weren’t paid back in prestige. They buy a little prestige, and society gets money for good works.
Generosity is only truly generosity when the money is given for the sake of the giving, but life is imperfect, and such is the way of the world.
But let’s not fool ourselves about the devil’s side of this devil’s bargain. The Madoff affair isn’t the first time we’ve seen big Jewish donors turn out to be big Jewish crooks. When you use money as a gauge of character, you get what you pay for.
The Forward’s editorial director, J.J. Goldberg, recently examined what the Madoff scandal says about Jewish money, charity, and morality. It isn’t pretty. But it’s worth thinking about.
http://blogs.forward.com/bintel-blog/108609/
How come I put a single person on ignore and my browser page loses 30% of it's posts? Amazing!!
Those container ships stack the boxes pretty high (they look like they'd capsize with a wave from a speedboat), so maybe we could just ship hotels to China/SE Asia in one piece.
To make it a real adventure, they could rent rooms on the hotels being shipped via container vessel.
"Fannie, Freddie to expand refinance program-source"
Of course, this expansion, like the existing program, is illegal, as these loans are being purchase without credit enhancement, which, by law, is required on all loans over 80LTV.
The FHFA got a legal opinion that these refis are considered "modifications", which they are not: a new mortgage note is being created that is purchased by Fannie/Freddie.
Not that laws matter anymore in the USA.
US CODE: Title 12,1717. Federal National Mortgage Association and Government National Mortgage Association
"No such purchase of a conventional mortgage secured by a property comprising one- to four-family dwelling units shall be made if the outstanding principal balance of the mortgage at the time of purchase exceeds 80 per centum of the value of the property securing the mortgage, unless
(A) the seller retains a participation of not less than 10 per centum in the mortgage;
(B) for such period and under such circumstances as the corporation may require, the seller agrees to repurchase or replace the mortgage upon demand of the corporation in the event that the mortgage is in default; or
(C) that portion of the unpaid principal balance of the mortgage which is in excess of such 80 per centum is guaranteed or insured by a qualified insurer as determined by the corporation. "
"Fannie, Freddie to expand refinance program-source"
I rent. I save money. I live well within my means. I work hard. I am very, very very angry. I'd like to think I'm not alone, but judging from the lack of public outrage over all this crap, it appears maybe I am.
"#4. California and many other States have "use taxes" that already cover this circumstance. Sure, mostly ignored in practice but just try and register the vehicle and see what happens."
There are "haven states" that have pretty reasonable use/registration fees. Especially compared to California. Some of these states are quite close by.
HST is up to over $8/share vs a low of slightly above $3/share. Priced in?
JBR writes;
"I rent. I save money. I live well within my means. I work hard. I am very, very very angry. "
Clearly you work too hard and make too much money.
Uncle Sam is here to help you with that.
"Reality check: The new policy is intended to aid the struggling banks... "
exactly, as I said yesterday, this is a ploy to get homeowners to make an uneconomical decision. if these borrowers were rational and walked away (or better yet, defaulted and stayed until they were evicted), the bankers club would have a few less members, and we would be left with new banks managed by responsible people to fill the void. we wouldn't want that.
JBR (profile) wrote on Wed, 7/1/2009 - 10:26 am
"Fannie, Freddie to expand refinance program-source"
I rent. I save money. I live well within my means. I work hard. I am very, very very angry.
There's a word for people like you; donor.
JBR,
you are not alone...bailout fatigue is wearing me down...Csc had it right..maybe its best to relax, roll a fatty and forget about it...Walden ponds with a sack of the good stuff...
BREAKING
Toyota June U.S. sales down 27% to 78,696 units
"There's a word for people like you; donor."
No shit Rob, thanks for pointing that out.
"Walden ponds with a sack of the good stuff..."
Walden Pond is about 100 yards away from a major, traffic filled divided highway. No solitude there I'm afraid. Hell, If I wasn't effectively paying for all this, I wouldn't care.
JBR,
I think we're all a bit upset over all the BS that has been shoveled down our collective throats by TPTB.
The time will come soon enough for action; until then take care of you and yours (as it seems you have been).
Payback is a bitch.
Remember the revolution will NOT be televised (or even Hulu'd).
The rage that is simmering just below the surface may be just about to erupt.
Take care, sir.
"'Id like to think I'm not alone, but judging from the lack of public outrage over all this crap, it appears maybe I am. "
It gets better:
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"Borrowers who apply for Relief Refinance Mortgages through their current servicer will not need to be re-underwritten in most cases."
Strange as this may sound, the number one thing you can do is push for an audit and restriction of the Federal Reserve.
Without the Fed's support of the MBS market to the tune of $1.25T, the Administration would be forced to deal with these animals, as the housing finance system would collapse without the Fed buying all that paper. A housing finance collapse would force needed change.
Instead, it is business as unusual, and we all pay for it.
BB is The Great Enabler.
Can I get my nothingburger super-sized?
China Rethinks H1N1 Flu Strategies
July 1, 2009, 7:06 AM ET
The steady spread of H1N1 flu through China is forcing national health authorities to adjust their containment strategies and take a case-by-case approach at the provincial level. More than 800 people have been diagnosed with the flu on the mainland to date — 240 in southern Guangdong Province alone — although no deaths have been officially linked to the virus yet.
In Guangdong, a series of outbreaks has shut down primary schools in recent days. Local cases now outnumber imported cases in the province, and the public health system is showing signs of over-stretch.
“For the next step, Guangdong should consider encouraging infected patients with light symptoms to go to outpatient clinics or to receive treatment at home,” a Health Ministry announcement read yesterday.
The local outbreaks of H1N1 Flu in Guangdong would seem to be a harbinger of things to come for other provinces in China.
China Rethinks H1N1 Flu Strategies - China Real Time Report - WSJ
Swine flu concerns rise in Southern Hemisphere
Several provinces in Argentina declared a health emergency Tuesday as the number of H1N1 cases continues to rise.
By Sara Miller Llana
Buenos Aires - As the number of diagnosed cases of swine flu recedes in the Northern Hemisphere, several countries in the Southern Hemisphere are now struggling with how to respond to the H1N1 virus.
Argentina is now surpassed only by Mexico and the US in swine flu-related deaths, but has not chosen – so far – to close down major public venues, restaurants, and schools to the same extent. But that may change as health experts warn that the virus appears to be spreading as the Southern Hemisphere moves into winter.
Swine flu concerns rise in Southern Hemisphere | csmonitor.com
JBR, we've had a name tag waiting for you for a long time. Welcome, margaritas and beer over there, fatties in the humidor with the Havanas.
Dawg, from what I understand, "Trainwreck" is some of the strongest green shoots around.
Apt, no?
Empty Hotels?
How about Section 8 slum towers with government workers cleaning the rooms for $120K
July 1 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve should use its emergency powers to immediately limit rate increases on existing credit-card balances, U.S. Senator Charles Schumer said, to protect consumers before a law takes full effect in February.
You're a blockhead, Chuck!
Can I get my nothingburger super-sized?
Taking the H1N1 fear out of the equation, are the number of flu cases down there higher or lower compared to the same time in previous years? I'm weary of the H1N1--in cases like it getting together with its avian flu relative--but what am I missing behind the death count and numbers infected?
Politicos=People worried about seating arraignments in the dining room of the Titanic.
About the 125% refinancing new "opportunity", this quote from the CNNMoney.com article cracked me up:
"The program, however, has been slow to ramp up. Borrowers have complained that banks are not approving their applications"
(Obama extends mortgage refinancing program - Jul. 1, 2009
Does that double anyone else over in laughter?
Haahahah file under ya were fuc*ed
I was sitting at lunch and I had a couple of shills in front of me talking about the job market and when its going to get better, and then the conversation changed to one of them buying a home, but he was unsure because he had $45,000 in credit card debt and that if he bought a home he could roll it all in to the cost.
Just and unreal unrealistic conversation.
$45,000 in credit card debt...I think I would hang myself
"he was unsure because he had $45,000 in credit card debt and that if he bought a home he could roll it all in to the cost."
they are still doing these?
JBR, for what it is worth, I fired off yet another email to one of my senators about this, but like the others, I doubt I will get a response:
"I fail to see how the Fannie/Freddie program to refinance mortgages up to 125LTV is legal.
According to their charters, they may not purchase loans over 80LTV without credit enhancement.
US CODE: Title 12,1717. Federal National Mortgage Association and Government National Mortgage Association
"No such purchase of a conventional mortgage secured by a property comprising one- to four-family dwelling units shall be made if the outstanding principal balance of the mortgage at the time of purchase exceeds 80 per centum of the value of the property securing the mortgage, unless
(A) the seller retains a participation of not less than 10 per centum in the mortgage;
(B) for such period and under such circumstances as the corporation may require, the seller agrees to repurchase or replace the mortgage upon demand of the corporation in the event that the mortgage is in default; or
(C) that portion of the unpaid principal balance of the mortgage which is in excess of such 80 per centum is guaranteed or insured by a qualified insurer as determined by the corporation."
I understand Mr Lockhart, their regulator, obtained a legal opinion that these new loans are "modifications". However, given that new mortgage notes are being created, I fail to understand how these are "modifications".
I thought we were a nation of laws. I thought it was the responsibility of my elected officials to set those laws. I guess I was wrong."
New Fed program, Buy a hotel and get a free Mc Mansion!
I thought after 4 houses, you GOT a hotel? Mine was in that shithole Baltic Avenue, though.
This 125% refi program is encouraging people to mortgage their entire lives to the hilt. Is that really a behavior we want to encourage?
Then again, maybe that's the tin foil theory here.
The limits of the public health system being overwhelmed and the impact on economic activity as social distancing strategies come to the forefront...
The current weekly FluView report from the CDC - viz the graph after the first two tables.
CDC - Seasonal Influenza (Flu) - Weekly Report: Influenza Summary Update
A funny thing is, the only time anyone can undertake disaster preparedness is when it is manifestly unnecessary - best of luck in the fall.
"I rent. I save money. I live well within my means. I work hard. I am very, very very angry. I'd like to think I'm not alone, but judging from the lack of public outrage over all this crap, it appears maybe I am."
There will be a few million people march in DC one of these days, when Unemployment hits 10* % or may be some other trigger, who knows.
Guess who is coming to dinner? No really guess.
White House Pushes To Keep Visitor Logs Private
White House Pushes To Keep Visitor Logs Private : NPR
No, no, no Maury. It's after THREE houses you get a hotel.
Jeesh.
Now if I could refi at 5.45% and 125% LTV I could purchase 6.2% double tax free CA GO bonds of the same term and live off the interest differential. Win-win and the mortgage interest is deducible.
This 125% refi program is encouraging people to mortgage their entire lives to the hilt. Is that really a behavior we want to encourage?
Then again, maybe that's the tin foil theory here.
I think you have your tin foil on backwards....or your just not paying attention...most are against it not for it.
Debt Free
IMO The protests will start on the internet with hackers crashing gov websites. Then will move into the streets as UE among young people will go north of 20%. Remember these kids have a lot of energy.
This 125% refi program is encouraging people to mortgage their entire lives to the hilt.
How so? Their mortgage is the same size before and after.
Bond Curve Mambo.
Enjoy.
YouTube - Yield Curve Mambo
Red or Blue Neo-Con; take your pick.
Elephants and Asses
Trampling the Masses
How so? Their mortgage is the same size before and after.
What, no cash out?
How unfair.
volkswagon: -18
Nissan: -23
GM: -33
most are against it not for it.
shill, I use the term "we" loosely. I was thinking more the originators of this plan.
IMO The protests will start on the internet with hackers crashing gov websites. Then will move into the streets as UE among young people will go north of 20%. Remember these kids have a lot of energy.
They'll still need a few cynical old farts behind the scenes pointing out the weak points in society. A couple battery operated skilsaws could drop freeway signs across every lane in both directions with ease. Takes years of seething resentment against the system to come up with stuff like that.
energyecon (homepage, profile) wrote on Wed, 7/1/2009 - 10:35 am Can I get my nothingburger super-sized?
China Rethinks H1N1 Flu Strategies
July 1, 2009, 7:06 AM ET
In Guangdong, a series of outbreaks has shut down primary schools in recent days. Local cases now outnumber imported cases in the province, and the public health system is showing signs of over-stretch.
“For the next step, Guangdong should consider encouraging infected patients with light symptoms to go to outpatient
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Makes sense to me -- China's not quite like 'Hotel California': you can still leave, you just have to go through Guangzhou/Hong Kong. Actually, I have flown in and out of Beijing, but Guangzhou seems to be the entry/exit point of choice for most foreing nationals. Maybe this is a holdover from the imperial days when the city was called 'Canton'?
PEOPLE x 10^9 = Look for lots of flu action in this neck of the woods ....
@ghost
You said this:
"Fannie, Freddie to expand refinance program-source"
Of course, this expansion, like the existing program, is illegal, as these loans are being purchase without credit enhancement, which, by law, is required on all loans over 80LTV
but in the previous thread you posted this:
WASHINGTON - U.S. Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan today announced an expansion of the Obama Administration's Home Affordable Refinance Program to include participation by borrowers who are current but up to 125 percent underwater on their mortgage. Under authorization provided by the Federal Housing Finance Agency, borrowers whose mortgages are currently owned or guaranteed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will now be allowed to refinance those loans according to the terms of the Home Affordable Refinance program established earlier this year.
Sounds like a big nothingburger. Just trying to get a few more payments out of folks they are already on the hook for and will probably walk away anyway.
Anyone notice that AIG reverse 20:1 reverse split?
You know what the difference between a pit bull and AIG is? The Pit Bull has a longer lifespan.
RD
Always starts off small.
shill, I use the term "we" loosely. I was thinking more the originators of this plan.
Ahh I see, text is a difficult thing to interpret at times...I stand corrected.
OT : Oh Miss Crabtree, there's something heavy on my heart... (L.R.)
no more fancy soap on a rope.
UPDATE 2-Crabtree & Evelyn unit in US files for bankruptcy
| Reuters
Not sure how this company even survived in good times. Prices are beyond absurd.
Subtle interpretations are difficult. Nothing wrong with double-checking.
"Reality check: The new policy is intended to aid the struggling banks... "
Yep, and each new scheme gets fewer and fewer takers. Denial keeps everyone from seeing reality all at the same time. Denial is usually strongest in those in positions of authority.
125% LTV refis?
Just another way to 'capture' those who might walk away into the blue yonder scot-free and put the load back on the banks that made these foolish loans in the first place.
Non-recourse vs. recourse.
OR am I mistaken?
Tim waiting for 2012 (homepage, profile) wrote on Wed, 7/1/2009 - 10:56 am
Always starts off small.
Always used to start small. This time will be different and there will be no containment. Flashmobs will be the shock and awe tool of the domestic rebellion. It'll go viral with the first social order capitulation.
The shock and awe chickenhawk coming home to roost
Non-recourse vs. recourse yeah, if there are any non-recourse that haven't refi'd at least once already. But according to the atty. comments on this site, recourse doesn't happen anyway -- too time consuming, etc. That's what I think they said anyway.
Think you are right about the flashmobs, RD - and you will have a front row seat
/IMO The protests will start on the internet with hackers crashing gov websites./
These days the hackers are the consultants protecting the USG websites from China/Russia/Nigeria...so that's not IMO how "it" starts.
My guess if it unwinds, destabalizes, it happens very quickly.
--bh
Would you like that Neo-Con in Red or Blue?
White House Pushes To Keep Visitor Logs Private : NPR
energyecon (homepage, profile) wrote (in reply to...) on Wed, 7/1/2009 - 11:02 am
Think you are right about the flashmobs, RD - and you will have a front row seat
The promoter traditionally gets an all access backstage pass in gratitude for organizing the concert. I also get a share of the t-shirt and DVD sales.
IMO The protests will start on the internet with hackers crashing gov websites. Then will move into the streets as UE among young people will go north of 20%. Remember these kids have a lot of energy.
We HAVE to bring Manufacturing back to the US, can't create employment any other way for the young ones. May be dollar devaluation to that end is not a totally bad thing. You are right, idle young folks is a recipe for unrest,
"borrowers whose mortgages are currently owned or guaranteed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will now be allowed to refinance"
Black Dog - no, that is the charade the govt is trying to pull. But when you refinance these loans, your old loan with Fannie/Freddie is cancelled, and you sign a brand new mortgage note. This mortgage will have different terms, a different mortgage number, etc. It is a new loan, funded by the bank.
Then the bank will sell this new loan to fannie/freddie.
The restriction on the existing loan being with fannie/freddie is a way to couch these as "modifications", but they are not modifications of the existing loan. That loan is canceled, and a new one takes its place.
I actually don't have a problem with the concept of just reducing the rate, the problem is, someone owns the cash flows from the existing loan, so they are getting screwed out of their interest rate cash flows they thought they would get. Second problem is, it is illegal.
If Fannie/Freddie bought these loans out of the MBS at market prices, and Congress changed their charters to allow these refis, I would be fine with them (though I think it is a stupid idea for a borrower to do, but that is their problem).
Where I have a problem is a) someone gets screwed, and b) the law is being broken.
Two concepts, of course, that the BHO administration apparently has no problem with.
They are setting dangerous precedents like this over and over, which, if the population starts following their lead, will result in severe civil disorder. The govt should be setting a good, not bad, example.
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE:
Bullet In The Head
This time the bullet cold rocked ya
A yellow ribbon instead of a swastika
Nothin' proper about ya propaganda
Fools follow rules when the set commands ya
Said it was blue
When the blood was red
That's how ya got a bullet blasted through ya head
Blasted through ya head
Blasted through ya head
I give a shout out to the living dead
Who stood and watched as the feds cold centralized
So serene on the screen
You was mesmerised
Cellular phones soundin' a death tone
Corporations cold
Turn ya to stone before ya realise
They load the clip in omnicolour
Said they pack the 9, they fire at their prime time
Sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz
And mutha fuckas lost their minds
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Run it!
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Checka, checka, check it out
They load the clip in omnicolour
Said they pack the 9, they fire it at prime time
Sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz
And mutha fuckas lost their minds
No escape from the mass mind rape
Play it again jack and then rewind the tape
And then play it again and again and again
Until ya mind is locked in
Believin' all the lies that they're tellin' ya
Buyin' all the products that they're sellin' ya
They say jump and ya say how high
Ya brain-dead
Ya gotta fuckin' bullet in ya head
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Uggh! Yeah! Yea!
Ya standin' in line
Believin' the lies
Ya bowin' down to the flag
Ya gotta bullet in ya head
Ya standin' in line
Believin' the lies
Ya bowin' down to the flag
Ya gotta bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head
A bullet in ya head!
A bullet in ya head!
A bullet in ya head!
A bullet in ya head!
A bullet in ya head!
A bullet in ya head!
A bullet in ya head!
Ya gotta bullet in ya fuckin' head!
Outsider,
Agree. recourse non-recourse is semantics for a bygone era when contracts and courts meant something...
--bh
You are right, idle young folks is a recipe for unrest,
There's always compulsory 13th and 14th grade. We haven't tried that yet.
You know I had some fun poking around back in CR's archive and found last year's June vehicle sales posting:
Ford was down 28%- so when you add this years 11% drop to 145,153 you have significant cliff diving.
So in 2008 they sold roughly 163k vehicles,
but in 2007 they sold roughly 226k vehicles.
so the drop from 2007 is more like 35.8%
A mighty crash indeed.
Can Ford survive selling one third fewer vehicles?
Same problem with hotels.
I could not resist- i added a definition for Velvet Fist of Government to the glossary.
A small contribution to the meme of doom and gloom.
Someday this war's gonna end...
Donor.
Also bag holder, greater fool, and sheep. Bzzzzzzzrttt!
It's OK, we have lots of company.
Shylockracy,
OT, thanks for the link, I didn't know the Forward still existed. The Musem of the City of New York had an interesting & fairly extensive exhibit on the Forward within the last few years (can't remember which one). Nice to know it's still around.
We need to starve the financial beast. Given how bad shape the economy is the DJIA should be at 6000 now but people keep bidding it up...anyway....
What are our demands? Here's part of the list:
* All the financial fraudsters are investigated, indicted, and prosecuted. This includes the con artists in CONgress who got "special deals" from Mozilo and his "Friends of Angelo" program (and who are blocking a subpoena to BofA as it would implicate them), it includes those past and current members of Government Sachs, and it includes all those other
financial "professionals" who deceived Americans and others with their sale of toxic exploding mortgage products along with the securities supposedly backed by them.
* Glass-Steagall is restored, in full, and all the firms that can't exist under it are broken up. Period.
good articles: Interesting Finance & Economic articles
i just booked a hotel for my mother-in-law for xmas in los angeles. is there any way to find out if the hotel is likely to go under ? thx