When I first started traveling in the UK in the early 1980's, there was still quite a bit of coverage of WW1 vets in the papers and I could see how profoundly changed a country the war must have made it after hostilities ended. Now nearly 30 years later just a handful of WW1 vets are living, and you never hear about them anymore.
Anybody high up enough to have been a decision-maker on a higher level in WW2 is dead now, or close to it. The bright-eyed bushy tailed buck private 18 year old g.i. that got in late in the game in 1945, is 82 years old this year...
Went to the $3 matinee with my wife a few years ago, handed the ticket seller $21 and she broke out the calculator and handed us back $15 after pressing a few buttons.
Computers in retail checkout has made calculating change a lost art, especially in our innumerate society. How many folks even keep their checkbook current (those under 50 yrs)? How many could do even minor maintenance to their auto (those under 40 yrs)? How many could grow their own food? How many could construct their own clothing from bolts of cloth?
I used to wonder how the learning accumlated before the fall of Rome could have been lost during the dark/middle ages. I no longer wonder. A generation or two is all it takes for a key skill to be gone.
Another lost art: writing a legible letter with a pen or pencil. Most people don't even have a legible signature anymore. Our declaration of independence was signed by people who's signatures are still readable - today it would be signed by squiggly lines.
I've learned not to give someone $11 for a purchase of $5.56. You'd think these tards were looking at a calculus problem. I get my change, and then exchange five ones for a five dollar bill. 8th graders cant do 1000 times 1000.
Education may pay someone but not me! I have a Ph.D. in a field saturated with them, I will make less than $6000 over 14 weeks this fall teaching two courses as an adjunct.
"The Forgotten Soldier" by Guy Sejer is the best first-person, private-level account of the Ostfront. Some believe it is fiction only because a soldier at the crack "Gross Deutschland" division had a life expectancy of about 3 months, and he lived to tell what he saw.
Juvenal Delinquent, sometimes I find it uncanny some intellectual overlaps between us. I trully get the feeling I know you from another blog. In any case, it is always a pleasure reading you.
Another result of peak credit is a total lack of basic math skills....
And people complain that those defrauded by mortgage lenders were responsible for their fate. Ya, if you assume they knew anything about making a financial budget or could understand even the fundamental of interest on a loan.
Yeah, Dr. M. I guess they think the tip should be 100%. Several times people have asked me if I wanted change
back from a larger denomination bill. And I say, you were good, but you weren't THAT good. They usually have
the grace to laugh.
Yeah, Dr. M. I guess they think the tip should be 100%. Several times people have asked me if I wanted change
back from a larger denomination bill. And I say, you were good, but you weren't THAT good. They usually have
the grace to laugh.
Old folk bemoan lost skills while the young ones can't understand why their parents never learned to play video games--or set up a sound system--new skills are learned and old ones forgotten. Making change is a skill for a cash society--today's kids use credit cards--our credit cards--they game the system better than you think.
The Subversion of Education in America started in the 1970's then Deliberate Dumbing Down of Americans with media consolidation in 1980's with control of media by corporate oligarchs. It has got continually worse expect for 'the Internets' with development of browser in early to mid 1990's for Web. Without this I can only image how bad things would be.....
Here in left toasted Appalachia as recently as a few years ago we had both a genuine 1940's diner and and drive-in movie. Both got the kabosh in one month...
Ok, youse guys. You couldn't believe my lack of spreadsheet skills, and I can't believe you can't do simple
addition and subtraction in your head, not to speak of multiplication and division. And most important of
all the skill of estimating and rules of thumb and figuring out that you may not know why, but this math answer just
has to be wrong. If you can't set up and solve simple problems in your head, how can you, in a quick interaction with people, tell them they are wrong. If you lean on electronics too much you won't be able to figure out what to do when
you have a variation.
Of course, best to do both. Sometimes, this regard to simple business-y or retirement math, I will tell him (the hub) he is
wrong. He gets mad, because he works with truly advanced math all the time. So far I have been proven right.
My granddad went all the way thru 3rd grade, but he was really really good at adding up long columns of figures accurately. He could also literately read and write.
And speaking of math. Maybe the professional types make a lot more, but now especially, how much of that
are they paying in compound interested student loans? It ought to be subtracted.
And I think there is a certain amount of mandarin thinking here. People who could do a job, but don't have a degree
might not get the job, thus fulfilling a prophesy.
Math skills make it perilous to pay in cash. Make sure you count your change! I'm not kidding! Although cash-register-math should just render it a handling problem.
Okay I'm < 40 and don't know how to do car maintenance. I did install an after-market MP3 player in it. Scary story related to said mp3 player install which does display my mechanical disabilities.
I was working on the car on an incline; due to the position of the gear switch I had to place the car out of Park. I placed it out of park and engaged the parking break. For some reason I assumed this would keep the parking break on... it seemed ilke it did. Then my 3-year old woke up from his nap and decided he wanted to come out and join me. I had the door open and he climbed up on my back. Somehow the parking brake became disengaged. It was a good thing that I was not doing anything critical as I was right on the brake to hit it. Scared the bejeesus out of me.
So honestly, car-repair safety seems like something I don't understand well enough and is not worth the risk. If I had some type of life I could use it might be worth learning about; but I don't have lift access. I'd rather leave it to the professionals. Hell I'm not even sure I can change my own tires... yes I'm a girlyman. I suppose it's family as well; I can't remember my dad touching cars with a 10-foot pole.
A while back, I went into a Taco Bell after a night at the strip club, where, of course, change is often given in $2 bills.
The cashier had never seen a $2 bill before. She called her manager over, who'd apparently never seen one either. He stopped just short of calling me a counterfeiter. They adamantly refused to accept it. They were ready to call the police. I was in a mood to be difficult, so I told him "Go ahead, I'll wait." Probably my day to get a cop who'd never seen one before, either.
Eventually, they backed down and took it after I agreed to sign it and leave my address. Like I was spending a roll of pennies or something.
I could even sing it for you. Luckily the internet is all visual.
I can cook. (The crepes were great.)
I can sew.
I can raise food a little.
My grandmother could bottle her own excellent root beer. She could can the food she grew.
She could crochet and we still have her handmade big tablecloths. She ironed the towels.
She kept everything organized and clean. She made home made candy. She lived in a mid middle
class neighborhood with the houses close together and lots of amenities, and the availablity of
people to talk to.
For all this ye goode housewife got contempt and scorn. So knowbody knows how to do it
anymore.
I can't do that stuff. Knowing how to make your own root beer, under certain circumstances, could
still be far more useful than knowing how to win at Civilization.
"And people complain that those defrauded by mortgage lenders were responsible for their fate. Ya, if you assume they knew anything about making a financial budget or could understand even the fundamental of interest on a loan."
The lender only wants a signature....
The folks only provide a signature....
When it all goes south the lender blames for folks for not knowing what they were doing...
The folks blame the lender/govt. for not requiring that they knew what they were doing...
I slid this puppy into my "you can't fix stupid file"
If College education means better long term employment and better pay then Student loans should not be allowed to BK. If Joe the mechanic can get his tools repoed then so should Joe college.
Umm, no. My dad would walk around the house singing various tidbits of songs my whole life. He still does. Have you heard the one about the eighth old man named Henry? Wouldn't have a Willy or a Sam? I have have a million times.
You can't beat simple math into your head, other than painful beating it into your
head. Rote. Memorization. You have to do that before you can do some other things.
In defense of the innumerate, there are generally a number of things that they do know how to do.
Ok, RATM, what musical comedy was that song from?
And I think that the previous 7 'Eneries were named Henry too.
Jeez., I wish I had some of the skills my grandparents had.
They were farm people, brought up during GD1.0. They knew how to can, preserve, make their own cheese and butter and bread from wheat. They could spin their own cloth from cotton or wool and sew (butt-ugly, but functional) clothing from scratch. To them, electricity and indoor plumbing were unfathomable luxuries.
YLSP, the moral to your story is that you learn from those little mistakes. Next time, you don't work on the car on an incline if you have to take it out of gear. Or, you simply block the wheels. People learned the various skills by trial and error. Don't let the error stop you. It's part of the process.
Except if you are in danger of getting squashed. Or, worse, having the 3 year old
squashed. The hurricane center has never (never being since the 50s don't know about
previous to that) had loss of life in the air. Have had some injuries during rough ups and
downs in hurricanes. They did have someone killed when a generator squashed a guy
against a plane. Guy took the chocks out, which was semi customary, since I guess it
was hard to work and have the generator chocked in.
After hurricane Andrew, I borrowed some thick soled tennis shoes and we started hauling
things out. It took less than 10 minutes to get a nail rammed into my foot. We hired some
people to wheelbarrow the house insides to the swale after that. Some people are good
at somethings, but not others.
The smart thing is to recognize when you don't know something and then find someone
who does know to tell you. And to recognize the one who does know. Quick hint, if they say
you should trust them, run. If they say trust them because they are a good (fill in religion of
your choice) run faster.
On this issue, I always wonder about cause and effect. A smart, hardworking person is more employable and more capable of getting higher degrees of education.
I doubt very much that the percentage of people who can do mental arithmetic has actually changed that much. But the people who couldn't, now have calculators to fall back on. Ditto map reading - which i remember most people in my class failed miserably. Those were advanced skills for professionals back in the day.
Now, if i want to do any of the things you mention, all i have to do is look it up on google. Read as many different descriptions of how to do it as i need to, and then go and start practicing. And i can do that from anywhere in the world.
This is a major improvement on Mrs. Beeton's.
No, my first attempt won't match your grandma's. Her first attempt didn't either.
In the meantime, i and obviously everybody else whose posting here will continue to enjoy the fruits of a highly industrialised and productive society, in the form of a lazy afternoon not having to can food, make clothes, etc.
'If Joe the mechanic can get his tools repoed then so should Joe college."
What if they were given them but failed to learn to use them? Ever met today's undergrads? I'd say maybe 20% would be better served in a vocational school.
Another fun dumb cashier trick: Ask for change for a $20. When they ask what kind, say "two tens and a five". This works surprisingly often. (No, I never take the money. I'm not that cruel!)
if you see a jeebus fish on the guy's business card, run fast; run far.
I had some Maoist car mechanic friends who always charged more for "jeebus fish" cars.
I think they wanted the gene pool cleaned up a bit, and were worrying about the slipping fitness of homo sapiens.
Best invention ever: School House Rock.
I still do logarithms in head when I'm bored.
And I keep my checkbook in excel using pivot tables and linked sheets and I forecast out 5 years min. My ex husband thought it was the weirdest thing he'd ever seen. But then he had to file BK 4 years after we split.
.....does blue collar Ph.D. i.e. engineers and scientists make the same amount of money as that of non - science doctoral degree holder? ......stat doesnt tell the whole story........
Sorry about the eggs Liz. Narrow mindedness is not a property of geography though at times we all wonder. I do give people extra points for having a flying spaggetti monster on their car >; )
lawyerliz--
A discount for a Darwin Fish, probably best to avoid the buddha-fish.
As Mao pointed out: "Religion is Poison"
I try to have equanimity on the matter, and recognize most people are essentially good (as long as they have adequate resources), and take it from there.
. The economy, however, almost two years after the beginning of the crisis, continues to be overwhelmed by unredeemable debts. As long as households and firms continue to bear the brunt of excessive debt, they will try to reduce expenditures and increase savings. Until debt is reduced to levels which are perceived as reasonable, the private sector expenditure will be exceptionally low. After the Great Depression, in the early thirties, there was a lack of demand because there was no economic activity and no income. Today, the lack of demand is the result of the exceptionally high rate of savings required to bring back private debt to reasonable levels. These are very different situations.
The American economic condition of today has more similarity with the Japanese economy after the real estate and banking crisis of the nineties. In Japan, the government avoided the bankruptcy of the financial system. Monetary and fiscal policy became aggressively expansionist, interest rates approached zero and, nevertheless, the economy remained virtually stagnant for more than a decade. A faint economy, but with no debt, can be jump-started through an increase in public spending. Once reanimated, an exceptionally high percentage of the generated income is no longer saved in order to reduce debt, but spent in order to rebuild firms and households standards of living. It thus creates demand and gives rise to the virtuous circle of recovery. In an economy paralyzed by the excess of debt - as it is the case of Japan since the early nineties and as it is now the case of the US - neither monetary policy nor fiscal policy can reactivate the economy FT.com | Willem Buiter's Maverecon |
Buddhaism as I see it is an ethical/moral/philosophical system with the pleasanter trappings of
religion. Tho I do think some versions are religion equivalents.
So, Takeaname, do we forgive say, half of all debts?
I'm 31, can do math in my head, basic car maintenance, read maps like the Boy Scout I was, and have a law degree (for which ~$120,000 of my loans are still outstanding). I keep my checkbook up to date and also have an excel spreadsheet that tracks all of our liquid assets and expenses in real time (though no pivot tables)
Too bad none of those stopped me from getting laid off in March, or help me land a job since. Every lawyer position in the federal gov't is getting 200+ applications right now. Even the limited-term ARRA jobs are getting 130+ applications for GS-12 positions.
lawyerliz (profile) wrote on Sat, 6/6/2009 - 9:49 am
The hub has a fat buddha-fish. Would he get charged more or less?
He'd be charged a fair price but only get the service he needed no matter what he asked for and the price wouldn't really matter as it would eventually come around back to him.
Oh yes, LL. This is still a street-preacher, snakehandler culture, very much so. It's a fairly common occurrence for someone to walk up to you randomly and ask 'Have you been washed in the blood of the lamb?" If I argued, I'd be arguing all the time about a subject I'm not even interested in discussing.
"...interest rates approached zero and, nevertheless, the economy remained virtually stagnant for more than a decade."
.....they decreased int. rate after 8 years of the crisis.....they lost the opportunity .....that's the difference.....sueprficially two crisis look similiar , but inside is quite different.....
Meant to say that median salary for Ph.D. chemist is close to the median published by BLS. Don't know about the distribution of salaries with respect to Ph.D. holders in other fields.
The American economic condition of today has more similarity with the Japanese economy after the real estate and banking crisis of the nineties.
A number of economists think this way, and the parallels make sense to me. However, I am starting to think that the differences in starting conditions between the U.S. and Japan will result in dramatically different outcomes. For example, Japanese interest rates remained low for decades, yet the long end of our yield curve appears to be climbing at a disastrous rate. Even if the Fed decides to throw trillions more at the 10-year, it will probably only produce lower rates for a short time.
I think a Japanese style outcome is optimistic at this point.
js esq.: Inside tip. Send an application to the treasury department. They'll need a new "senior ethics counsel" soon. They don't advertise the position, but it's about to open up. No joke. They'll take anyone right out of law school. Also, no joke.
Hoopajoops - I've actually applied for many jobs at treasury, as a lawyer and otherwise. I applied for a whole series of criminal investigator positions, some related to TARP. I got back a little stub in the mail saying "only disabled veterans were referred" for consideration. If you're not a federal employee or have a veterans preference, it's almost impossible to get hired right now.
Deflationary Jane said: "Ever met today's undergrads? I'd say maybe 20% would be better served in a vocational school."
I agree wholeheartedly. I don't know if it was as bad when I was an undergrad, but at least 20% of today's undergrads should not be in college, but should be in a trade school. At least half of those (10%) should have never graduated highschool, let alone let into college. The remaining 10% doesn't understand what college is about and are completely out of their league.
It's the worst job ever, from what I've heard. My buddy applied for an unrelated job and got contacted by someone else at the dept. "How would you like senior ethics counsel... you know, so people can ask you questions about ethics..." "Sure!" he said. The job turns out to be looking at investment declaration on forms submitted by treasury dept officials... all day....
...... @curious ......believe you me , it is not just for chem. field .......I have lots of friends in various scientific domain .... none of them are financially satisfied, and more than that they regret to be in those jobs......this labor dept. stat is just for preventing high school drop-out......number itself is quite dubious.........
--as I had "All Along The Watchtower" turned up to 11
I had one of those experiences also. I was living in Mammoth Lakes (needed to ski a bit after that tough gig at UCSB, and finish a thesis, which never got finished in Mammoth as I had guests for the next 3 years).
It was one of those blizzard conditions, dark, where no one even a bit sane would be out, and I get a knock at the door--
Sure enough, a Witless coming to give the rap. The condition were so horrific, I let the guy in, fearing he would die in these conditions. "Jesus is Just All right With Me" was blaring from the stereo. Didn't even notice. We were so stoned, and the situation so absurd, everyone was laughing uncontrollably. I finally turned the poor fellow out into the night.
Pavel - Thanks, hadn't seen that article (assume you mean this one - Error - washingtonpost.com. We only get the sunday Post.
Fortunately, I'm getting severance until the end of this month, and my wife has a great job with a major consulting firm. I just wish the weather here was better right now so I could at least spend more time at the pool while I'm home all day writing KSAs and cover letters.
Pretty accurate for Psychology professors, but low for starting Psychology PhD's in industry (I/O., Bio, HF/Cog).
I think those stats are balanced by all of the poor English PhDs teaching 6 adjunct classes for $18k a year.
On another note: do professional degrees (Dentist, MD, lawyer) really make that little (relatively speaking)? I would have thought that their median income would have been higher than PhD's.
I'd take that job. At least once you get in, it's easy to move around. There are worse things than looking at investment declarations all day. Like looking at USAJobs all day.
Jay.D.. (profile) wrote on Sat, 6/6/2009 - 1:06 pm reply Ignore user "...interest rates approached zero and, nevertheless, the economy remained virtually stagnant for more than a decade."
.....they decreased int. rate after 8 years of the crisis.....they lost the opportunity .....that's the difference.....sueprficially two crisis look similiar , but inside is quite different.....
Push on a string today or five years from now and the affect is the same. Refusing to raise rates was their mistake, as it is ours. Japan Interest Rate
I have lots of friends in various scientific domain .... none of them are financially satisfied, and more than that they regret to be in those jobs
I'm sorry to hear that.
@NoVAwatcher
On another note: do professional degrees (Dentist, MD, lawyer) really make that little (relatively speaking)? I would have thought that their median income would have been higher than PhD's.
I found that surprising too. We should check the BLS definitions.
Education pays, after all, how much would I be able to enjoy "methodology called maximum entropy" (from last night's Rating Agency post) without it? I'm still laughing!
Let's take software developers. The best ones usually have a degree in something, sometimes in computer science but far from always.
New developers just out of school are often a liability rather than a help. With most of these folks, a lot of time is required to get them to "unlearn" the bad habits they were taught in their computer science classes. They are usually able to get simple programs to work, but are completely unprepared to write commercial-grade software. This seems to be due an emphasis on learning "teaching languages" rather than commercial languages, group projects in which one or two people do most of the work, and no exposure to documentation requirements, structure, maintainability, readability, or debugging techniques.
In this field, a degree means little more than a demonstration of motivation to finish something, and at least a passing interest in the field. Back when a CS degree was seen as a ticket to a great job, an employer could not even count on the degree to indicate a passing interest. This has improved a bit lately with the changes in the industry due to outsourcing.
And if you read the academic journals in the field, you can see that the academics who run the programs generally do not understand the problem. And this is not to knock the universities alone, my experience is that the trade schools are as bad or worse. Only large companies can afford to run the internal training programs necessary to effectively make use of new graduates. This limits opportunities for CS grads in small companies, which ironically would be better opportunities for many if they were adequately prepared in school.
Education in the country needs a radical re-think. This is only one small example in an area that I happen to be familiar with.
Watched a program last night on Jehovah Witness that changed my impression of them. Anti-war positions, refusing to fight in WW 2, wouldn't pay homage to the American flag got them beaten, murdered, castrated by angry mobs of patriots. In Germany, they refused to pay homage to Hitler, or go to war for Germany. They were sent to concentration camps along with the Jews.
PhD EEs in silicon valley are making $160K-$200K for analog design or digital design in select areas (wireless, fiber optics, etc). Cost of living is pretty high, though.
This table might explain why median salary is less for professional degree than for doctoral degree.
First professional degree. Occupations that require at least two years of full–time academic study beyond a bachelor's degree (for example, law, medicine, dentistry and clergy).
"Push on a string today or five years from now and the affect is the same. Refusing to raise rates was their mistake, as it will be ours."
....think about external factors , when they were in hard times, global rates were this low?.....no difference?....well , we'll see.....it's the same stupidity like comparing this "economic difficulty" to 1930's GD......
A neighbor and his wife down the road from us have been shunning us for a few years now. They refuse to acknowledge our existence along with about 6 others because of a lawsuit. When we see one-another in passing they avert their heads away from us, and no eye contact, heaven forbid!
When you are a Jehovah Witness and you leave the flock, this is what happens to you apparently. As if you never existed.
Keeping the illusion of US prosperity going and the desperate housewives of Northern New Jersey in their luxury homes with Chinese money must really be pissing the Chinese off.
sm_landlord: I know a Psych professor who was interviewing a Computer Science master's student for a job. The student knew neither C++ nor Java, yet had a CS degree. That was typical of the CS grad students he and his colleagues had interviewed/interacted-with over the years. They were binary: 50% were worthless, the other 50% were great.
In the end he concluded that it was easier to teach Psychology grad students to program in C++ (for EEG/ERP, fMRI, and other experiments) than it is to hire a CS student.
So honestly, car-repair safety seems like something I don't understand well enough and is not worth the risk. If I had some type of life I could use it might be worth learning about; but I don't have lift access. I'd rather leave it to the professionals. Hell I'm not even sure I can change my own tires...
Replaced my wife's car water pump on Monday,...realized it's been at least fifteen years since I've worked on a car. Most of the time was spent looking for my various tools. It's just makes more sense to leave it to a mechanic you can trust; they've got the tools and the time. (Of course, finding that mechanic is a problem.) Didn't have a manual, used the internet to look for procedures.
Education in the country needs a radical re-think.
I hate to admit it, but I'm enjoying the spectacular crash-and-burn that the academic-industrial complex is experiencing. the schadenfreude is greatest for those that thought they were safe because higher-ed was a safe haven during a recession. to a certain extent, parents are entrusting the future of the their kids to colleges, and yet these administrative idiots didn't even understand basic economic principles. did they believe that tuition could continue to rise 5-10% every year for two decades? i don't agree with jas on many things, but he's spot on when he says that government should not be in the business of pushing debt on children. if government doesn't want to pay for the full cost of the education, then so be it. it's ironic that the new credit card law now requires proof of income for individuals under 21, but the government will lend non-dischargeable loans for about $200K without proof that the student is even employable...
All this talk of science degree holders being unsatisfied with their jobs makes me nervous about my decision to quit the law and become a science degree holder...
"Pavel, still on personal accounts of Eastern Front, I'd highly recommend "Kaputt" by Curzio Malaparte."
OK, thanks, haven't read it but will look for it.
The father of an acquaintance of mine in Moscow had served in an artillery unit west of Moscow, one of those who stopped the Germans. When I met him he was blind and living on an inadequate pension. This was during the early 90s, and his son would bring food, make the old man porridge, and guide his spoon to the bowl. There was also some donated tinned meat from Germany in the house - a bitter form of charity.
Again, China's Electric Consumption Does Not Support Official Growth Statistics
"China's power consumption in May continued to decline. Although the National Bureau of Statistics denied the conflict between economic growth and power consumption decline since the beginning of the year, Zhao Bingren, ex-chairman of China Electricity Regulatory Commission, expressed his doubt on economic statistics reported by some areas. "
I gots innoculated hard wood logs sproutin' shrooms, layin' hens an' a vigorous rooster, small stretches of root veggies, small patches of wheat/barley, french hybrid hillside vines on sandy soil; I makes sandwich bread-wheat'n' rye, beer, hard cider, wine. Hold hand tools ad naseum. Frontier skills.
Still I fear it won't matter how well prepared and stocked an individual is, when the larger society isn't. Overwhelmed and subsumed in the maelstrom's march to anarchy. But for now it provides peace of mind. Pioneers only worried about hostile natives, starvation, and a host of deadly disease. Pantywaist pikers!
"curious: (for example, law, medicine, dentistry and clergy)."
Although there are perquisites, I doubt that many Catholic parish priests earn as much as 20 K per annum. There is free housing, medical care, and sometimes a car or shared car.
"Replaced my wife's car water pump on Monday,...realized it's been at least fifteen years since I've worked on a car. Most of the time was spent looking for my various tools. It's just makes more sense to leave it to a mechanic you can trust; they've got the tools and the time. (Of course, finding that mechanic is a problem.) Didn't have a manual, used the internet to look for procedures. "
Did a super supreme intake manifold gasket job on my 2001 Blazer last month, hadn't done that in 25 years. Was not a piece of cake but was very gratifying and went well. Changed all fluids and complete tuneup while I was at it all for under $300, saved myself 2 grand on the job.
The raw fiber is cleaned, carded, then spun into yarn. Sometimes it is dyed before spinning, sometimes after. It is then measured into balls, cones or skeins. From there it can be knit, crocheted or woven into actual cloth. Weaving is a complex process. Cloth then undergoes further processing to full it. - From the diary of a mad weaver (Sol)
There is nothing more satisfying than watching the fire being made at the bottom of the ivory tower right now.
Except for also knowing that many of the most egregious are still looking down their noses from inside.
It looks like EE's are doing fairly well. Do you think the data in this table are fudged?
@Hoops
I recommend studying analytical chemistry with an emphasis on applications in biology. There's a large demand for chemists with knowledge of both mass spectrometry and protein science. I'm happy with my job and most of my classmates are also happy. Also doing fine financially.
Electric and fuel consumption hear and abroad is in direct correlation with economic activity. They can deny this all they want, we know they are liars none the less.
All this talk of science degree holders being unsatisfied with their jobs makes me nervous about my decision to quit the law and become a science degree holder...
I believe there is always a demand for talent, in any field or economic climate. I've never been fired or laid off in 24 years so this particular hubris has served me well (so far). If you have a passion for science and some talent, I think will you do fine. If you have a passion for law and some talent, I think you will do fine. Some levels of "fine" might be better than others depending on external factors, like a glut of good lawyers.
If you have a passion for law and some talent, I think you will do fine.
He had those two things, but he still hated his job. No job you hate is worth the money. He'll do fine because he's willing to sacrifice "security" for the pursuit of happiness.
Searchers found bodies and debris from Air France Flight 447, the British Broadcasting Corp. reported June 6, citing a statement from the Brazilian air force. Experts on human remains will travel to Brazil to inspect the bodies."
He had those two things, but he still hated his job. No job you hate is worth the money. He'll do fine because he's willing to sacrifice "security" for the pursuit of happiness.
EE was fun but you're working for the man. Projects get canceled, ideas get, um, borrowed and not returned. Managers who are not qualified by any metric visible to carbon-based life forms get promoted.
Edit: sometimes (rarely to occasionally) you hit the jackpot with EE.
I have heard from industry people that many oil & gas people are about to retire, but get ready for a boom and bust ride if you harness those horsies.
$50 tip to Hoocoodanode says the Supreme Court substantially modifies or overturns Judge Gonzalez's ruling allowing sale to Fiat.
What do you mean by "substantially modifies"? So what happens if the Court establishes a lnew egal standard for a sub rosa reorganization, but the Second Circuit reaches the same judgment even applying the new standard?
The Super Court will rule in favor of whatever is clean, and orderly. Then don't want that kind of responsibility esp the ciriticism for problems going forward with other bk's IMO.
Yogi, it is a self-evident fact that a Shylockracy often doubles as an Idiocracy given its inbred nepotism and tribalism.
About Geithner, no, I have never stated he is a Jew, nor do I think he is. In fact, it is entirely indifferent if he is ethnically or religiously jewish; what matters is the crimes he has committed against the Republic while head of the NY-Fed and later as treasury Sec.
It is plain his loyalty does not lie with the American public.
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What could the Fed possibly have to hide? If they have nothing to hide what are they afraid of?
I've called for his resignation many times here, and for Paulson's indictment.
Couldn't tell where your post was going the other night, and I don't understand your handle very well. I've never been able to get through "The Merchant of Venice".
NoVAwatcher: I have a CS degree and have interviewed a lot of people over the years. It probably is easier to hire grad students to write C++ if you do not care about what is produced or how long it takes, but that is besides the point. Many people still go into the field because of the dotcom bubble, or they are IT nerds who cannot program out of a wet paper bag and would be better served with an IS degree. I have found the best determinants are: BS school (e.g. a top tier school is much hardier to graduate with a CS degree in, low tier you can do it probably without learning any programming at all), and why they got into the field. That is generally my first question, why did you decide to study CS in school? If their answer is along the lines of good career, blah blah blah, the interview is unlikely to go well. Its like getting an art degree, if you are not a good artist innately and interested the craft, all of the schooling in the world isn't going to make you great. And the difference between a median programmer and a great programmer is exponential, one great programmer could replace a team of 10 run of the mill guys easily.
JimPortlandOR (profile) wrote on Sat, 6/6/2009 - 11:36 am
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Computers in retail checkout has made calculating change a lost art, especially in our innumerate society. How many folks even keep their checkbook current (those under 50 yrs)? How many could do even minor maintenance to their auto (those under 40 yrs)? How many could grow their own food? How many could construct their own clothing from bolts of cloth?
I used to wonder how the learning accumlated before the fall of Rome could have been lost during the dark/middle ages. I no longer wonder. A generation or two is all it takes for a key skill to be gone.
If you go to England within 50 yards you will find ruins of a Roman Villa with beautiful mosaics and an Anglo Saxon hovel - separated in time by about 75 years. When a specialized market economy collapses people regress many centuries. The anglo- saxon artifacts are more similar to artifacts from a 1000 years earlier. Progress is not linear.
A highly specialized system is also a very efficient system- but it is also a more vulnerable system.
It is mostly Republicans because the party in power wants no upsetting of the power structure. If Republicans controlled the government, the bill would be sponsered almost entirely by Democrats.
looking at the BLS web site is really quite fascinating.
When they do the survey if one of the company in their sample has gone out of business they ignore it and assume that it would have reported as the rest of the sample.! Their argument is that since their sampling doesn't cover new business creation by not counting the dead business it sort of evens out. Having done that they than add in an additional amount based on some kind of statistical model drawn from the last five years data.
Here is the interesting thing in their B/D model for 2009 they are assuming more job creation than in 2008, despite the fact they had to substantially revise the 2007 adjustment downwards in their bench mark revisions. (I would add this is not done to massage the numbers but just the way the model works and not sure that they have much choice but to report as per the methodology the have used. Changing would certainly leave them vulnerable t the accusation of manipulating the data. Its the analysts who I think are at fault.- basically lazy)
Bottom line the B/D is based on 5 years of a growing economy and would be reasonable if the economy was growing or stable. It has to vastly overstate job creation in a declining economy particularly one that has had as much of a shock as this one. My suspicion is that not only were 220,000 jobs not created in new business but that the net of business going out of business and those being created is actually negative i.e. rather than creating jobs the birth death adjustment is negative.
Again using the BLS own words- according to them the model overstates job losses in January and overstates job gains in April and May if there are big swings. Thus for all this talk of second derivatives being positive I would suggest that January was not as bad as minus 741,000 and nor were April and May as good as minus 504,000 and minus 345,000.
"I have found the best determinants are: BS school (e.g. a top tier school is much hardier to graduate with a CS degree in, low tier you can do it probably without learning any programming at all), and why they got into the field."
University guys think coding is an art form when it is just welding one piece of shit commercial module to another hastily written piece of shit module. Customer usually do not know jackshit and projects are always late because some idiotic salesman promised X and Y by date Z. Yeah, we delivered X and Y and jumping rabbits screensaver but with no engine.
But is ok now, I switched to Ubuntu Linux and my computer is very Zen. Hypertension cured and no more anger management classes needed. Those Microsoft jokers spent BILLIONS of dollars developing Windows NT/XP/VISTA and still even VISTA is crap. And now US army is switching to use VISTA. Good luck with that.
I am able to write with my nice Linux much better killer drone in a week and kick your puny microsoft "what you mean blue screen again?!" drones. Bring them on.
lawyerliz (profile) wrote on Sat, 6/6/2009 - 12:03 pm
Why didn't the Anglo Saxons go live in the villa? I suspect it wasn't built with
England's climate in mind.
Liz, the infrastructure and social contracts that made villa living possible collapsed. As a rough parallel you might as well ask what you would be using in your kitchen without electricity and gas.
A tale of the loathsomeness either of Florida Republicans or factionalism in general.
The State Govt has cut school funding. But they did empower the county commissions to
raise (property?) taxes. The local head of the school board consulted with same to raise
taxes. They (repubs) all said ok, since it was for schools and he prepared a budget with the
increase in mind. The State level Repubs came in and said that if any of them voted for a
tax increase of any size for anything at all, that they would find some replacements and run the current
ofc holders out of ofc.
I have a fireplace in the family room area that connects with the kitchen. I suspect me and my cast iron pots
would be cooking from there. The cabinets are still cabinets.
Hopefully the water system would be the last to go.
Is there a law against using the Social Security tax data for economic analysis? Seems like the govt could just use the collected SS taxes amount and the total number of unique SS#'s to produce a meaningful report, Total number of SS#'s reporting, total wages.... It would probably be more accurate than the crap they are publishing now... Would not capture the cash economy but it would be a more reliable number as long as it was just the actual numbers reported, not adjusted in any way... The politicians probably wouldnt like it - couldnt be manipulated for political gain...
As for making change, a good cash register will calculate it for you; the cashier simply enters the amount tendered. Retailers need better machines.
Technology makes some skills obsolete, or unnecessary. Remember when supermarket cashiers were paid good money, and deserved it? It took accuracy and stamina to punch numbers correctly all day long. Technology made that unnecessary. And at the turn of the 20th century, before adding machines, men and women who could add and subtract large columns of numbers quickly were in great demand. Post adding-machine... not so much.
That said, the skills don't need to be lost. I took a rather bad class in math education a few years ago; but one thing that I did find (from reading and later from classroom practice) was that math education based on problem solving first and drill second did a much better job of teaching kids to do math, and moreover teaching them to do it in their heads. In other words, get the kids to solving the problem any way they can, feed the additional tools to them as they're ready for them and can integrate them into their problem-solving technique. We don't do it that way in the states mainly; we teach a variety of isolated techniques; the kids never link them together into a bigger picture, or actually realize what they mean. And the skills are not used, and they fade away. The kids use calculators.
This is the way math is mainly taught in the U.S.; the books said they did it better in England. So I looked up a couple of Brits and asked them if they could do math in their heads and they said, yes, they both could; and found it funny that their American friends had to haul out calculators for problems that they (the Brits) didn't even need pencil and paper for.
So you can blame a lot of the problem on "these kids today," but you can also blame it on factory-style, mass-production-style education, especially in places like California. Throwing mandatory tests on top of the problem just makes it worse; the teachers don't have time to do anything but teach to the test. And of course -- hey, there's always a calculator.
And yes, it filters up to the universities. My wife works in registration at a certain University, and the kids just aren't prepared; a whole lot can't write at the college level, others can't do math. And this includes a lot of the privileged, highly-prepped AP kids. They've been programmed to pass various advanced extrance exams, and that's all they know how to do. So they get in... and then they can't do anything.
"to a certain extent, parents are entrusting the future of the their kids to colleges, and yet these administrative idiots didn't even understand basic economic principles. did they believe that tuition could continue to rise 5-10% every year for two decades?"
They understand, especially in the public schools. I can't speak for everything; but here in California, in large part tuition is rising as state funding drops. It's not just about the efficiency of the higher education system (which could be made a LOT more efficient); it's about the gradual withdrawal of state support, especially in California. And especially in the UC System, where state funding is now down below 20 percent of budget. Gov. S's Armageddon budget cuts state funding to one of the UC law schools (UC Hastings) completely. No lawyer jokes, please.
lawyerliz (profile) wrote on Sat, 6/6/2009 - 12:17 pm
I have a fireplace in the family room area that connects with the kitchen. I suspect me and my cast iron pots
would be cooking from there. The cabinets are still cabinets.
Hopefully the water system would be the last to go.
Now you are beginning to think about the consequences of complex societies getting even so much as the hiccups.
That's what Obama is afraid of even though he'll never admit it. Cascade serial failure of the US economy if we lose the wrong cog. At first he was fooled into believing that cog was the banks and now he's fooled into thinking it's the auto industry. Sadly when it comes time to save a State he'll think he's wised up and will not save them. Only then will he discover why this is the United States and not the United People of America. When he screws up the California rescue he'll discover we aren't even that "united." People thought I was kidding back in Sept when I said it will be a near thing for the next President to not also be the last President.
I have to agree with much of what you said about factory style education but never under estimate the pressure being put on the kids by the parents. That said, take a look at what some of the trade colleges are charging! $50k in tuition over 2 yrs for a degree that pays $13 an hour. Ouch! It's no wonder the parents push their kids into the CSU and UC system.
I got into a heated debate about teaching resources at UC with a local mother. Her stance was that she didn't care if UC only received 65% to 80% of the cost to educate the resident students each year. She was under the impression that the CA college system was required to take all students period and since CSU and UC received "some" money from the state, UC should be required to make up the difference somehow. Apparently shifting money away from programs that paid their way was expected.
We went on to a nice topic, like how much her house was worth. She pays 70% less taxes then her neighbors and then wonders why the state won't cough up to put her Blake through college. Where do these people come from?
Money for nothing and the education should be free.
University guys think coding is an art form when it is just welding one piece of shit commercial module to another hastily written piece of shit module
I see the "art form belief" a lot. There is an art to determining aspects of structure - more abstract design versus more concrete, what current skill levels and infrastructure can support, etc, but those aren't so much about coding. Certain decisions are very hard to prove and support as "right", especially if you've got a debate team mentality. The truth is that many decisions are marginal, i.e. they don't affect outcome very much.
He was described by his father and former neighbors in Rexford as troubled but not dangerous, known for strolling down a street wearing a cape while talking to himself.
I haven't worn my cape for years, but I still talk to myself
Higher education. The accumulation of knowledge and the opportunity to exercise your intellect. Years of extended adolescence while the postponed debt piles up. When you finish school and work the numbers you realize the salary you have to make and job search accordingly. The true professionals (i.e. lawyers, doctors, accountants) have a wide variety of high paying jobs to chose from but the humanity majors rapidly figure out that becoming a mortgage broker was their best bet. The good times rolled.
Current wage deflation and limited job prospects for the freshly minted college grads does have an upside. Educated citizens with free time and the vigor of youth will promote change. I admit I thought I'd see some marches by now but I probably underestimated the power of Facebook, video games and free movies on the internet. Eventually Mom and Dad will become enough of an impetus to force the unemployed degree holders out into the world with a lingering anger over the barista job they had to take.
The other side of education debt is the inflation in costs we all pay for the services provided. I'd add this into the unpopularity of lawyers, the high cost of health care and the willingness of accountants to go along with ludicrous changes in accounting standards. Having a large debt with no choice but to pay ensures you keep working in your chosen field regardless of your feelings in relation to the working standards and situation.
Increasing the cost of higher education ensures the broadening of the underclass and further divides our society. The slippery slope gets steeper.
"We went on to a nice topic, like how much her house was worth. She pays 70% less taxes then her neighbors and then wonders why the state won't cough up to put her Blake through college. Where do these people come from?
Money for nothing and the education should be free. "
DJ, they've been living on the California credit card for 30 years -- a situation where taxation is severely limited but demand for services is not -- and no one will tell the public "no". Plus a proposition system that encourages voters to approve massive bond measures without thinking about paying for them, and further hamstringing the budgeting process. From where your acquaintance sits, it all looks like FREE MONEY to her.
It's worked for her all her adult life. It's about to stop doing that, one way or the other.
Talking about trade schools.... I ran into a form of higher education the other day that actually made sense to me. One of the problems with higher ed is that the customer pays you (the university) his money, then YOU tell him whether he got his money's worth or not. Anyway, a friend is learning welding at the local community college, night classes. He can take welding to the end of time, if he wants. But anytime he thinks he's ready, he can pay $100 to a rep from the welder's professional organization, and take a practical test for a particular type of certification (by welding a particular job to certain standards). And he passes, or he doesn't. If he doesn't, he can take more classes and come back later.
It occured to me that universities would shape up fast if we separately from them the power to certify competence. Wouldn't matter what grades you got over four years if you didn't pass the competency test given by an impartial third-party. Students would learn pretty fast which colleges deserved their money. Things..... would change quickly.
This what are all these non scholars doing there thing is not new.
I graduated college in '68. Ahhhh, the white house marches. . .
Anyway, I've always loved to read and when I was carrying around an unfamiliar
book, whether tome or trash, I would be politely asked, oh, what class are you
reading that for, and I'd say, no class; I just wanna read it.
Oh, the puzzled looks.
I dunno, Broward, will it? Thought you had a sexy girlfriend.
We had a survey a month or so back on furloughs for UC staffers. We got back a nice summary with all the comments included, 92 pg worth. If you want to know what the culture inside UC looks like, this was a very telling document. As far as I know it's not restricted material so if you want a 92 pg rant on faculty and admin making up their shortfalls on the backs of the lowest paid people in the UC system, let me know and I'll send you the pdf.
The professional fields in architecture, landscape architecture, and civil engineering are especially hard hit no matter what that graph depicts. Just as there are too many malls, big boxes and master planned communities to last us into the second half of the century, there are many people in these professions that thought that things would get awfull, but not like this, including myself.
The amount of building and development that will occur in the future, and that's a big if, will be a miniscule amount compared to the boom years.
These professions are filled with people rethinking the viabilty of keeping these careers. In this case a culling is occuring. The older, less computer adept (managerial types), in these fields are rapidly becoming relics and being laid off. The younger kids will find it difficult to get jobs, but will because the skill sets are for very computer literate workers.
I taught real estate law to potential agents and paralegal students. I made them think.
It was hard. They complained. I said, what good does it do you to pass an easy course with
me and then flunk the state test. Which is relatively hard. That shut them up. This did not
make the real estate agents any better, however. Maybe I taught a few to apply the facts to
the law and think a bit.
The Jews in my neighborhood pronounced it without an "r". We did not learn to spell the
word in Catholic School. Many of the older ones spoke Yiddish. My granddad who spoke
German could understand them and liked to listen in since they didn't know he could understand them.
if we separately from them the power to certify competence
I've discovered over the past fifteen years that "higher education" is largely a CYA filter.
It delegates responsibility for competence away from company recruiters.
The "education" part is secondary, particularly in larger companies.
"It occurred to me that universities would shape up fast if we separately from them the power to certify competence. Wouldn't matter what grades you got over four years if you didn't pass the competency test given by an impartial third-party. Students would learn pretty fast which colleges deserved their money. Things..... would change quickly."
Freaking brilliant!
Now I don't mind furloughs and I'll take mine and say thankyouverymuch. Just means I'll work from home as the work has to get done. But I came from the private sector and worked in tech, when you are told you have a deadline, then you find that miracle. But I'm also surrounded by people who will not clear a jam in a copier or distribute mail in a pinch because "it's not in their job description". I think working for the state secretly translates to "wanting to paddle the @ss of 55 yr old spoil brats on a daily basis" in ancient Babylonian.
When the hub went to Hopkins (undergrad), they were sat in an auditorium and told to look
at the people to the left and right. One of you three will not be there in a year. . . .
Bob Dobbs (homepage, profile) wrote on Sat, 6/6/2009 - 1:07 pm
DJ, they've been living on the California credit card for 30 years -- a situation where taxation is severely limited
Where do you people come up with this stuff? 9.3% income taxes and 8.5% sales taxes and usurious fees on everything else. and that "free tuition" guaranteed in the Constitution? $23k for my kid's Freshman year at UCLA.
Webster's online
"1.Judaism: a scholar and teacher of the Jewish law; now, specif., an ordained Jew, usually the spiritual head of a congregation, qualified to decide questions of law and ritual and to perform marriages, supervise religious education, etc."
Webster's is wrong. The only requirement for a valid Jewish marriage is a contract with two witnesses.
"Knowledgerush":
"In 19th century Germany and the United States, the duties of the rabbi became increasingly influenced by the duties of the Protestant Christian Minister. Sermons, pastoral counseling, representing the community to the outside, all increased in importance. Non-Orthodox rabbis, on a day-to-day business basis, now spend more time on these traditionally non-rabbinic functions than they do teaching, or answering questions on Jewish law and philosophy."
The second sentence is debatable. The Orthodox Jews, to their credit, never changed the traditional role or meaning of the rabbi. They were not concerned with resembling Christianity. (In Islam, the role of the Imam is even looser, as he isn't even required for "official conversion"). It's true that in Conservative (not the political meaning- ordains gay and women rabbis) and Reform Judaism, the Rabbi tends to lead services, but those Jews don't often attend and select their Rabbis mainly for their learning and teaching skills.
The glut of good lawyers is the problem today. People who graduated with honors from top tier law schools and practiced with prestigious firms but got laid off since December are dime a dozen. It wasn't my fault, or a reflection on my capabilities as a lawyer, that my now ex-firm jettisoned every associate in my practice area.
"In origin" the rabbi interpreted the law. After the Romans put down the last revolt and destroyed the Temple in 70 AD, Jews had no power over the state law that applied to them until 1948. In 1948 rabbis were given the authority to apply the laws of conversion, in a political deal. Only this year was the Orthodox stronghold on that power broken in Israel.
In all other situations, the rabbi is only a teacher. If you went to a very observant ("Hassidic") bar-mitzvah you couldn't sit with the men, but even if you could, you wouldn't know who was running the show as there might be ten or twenty with the title "rabbi", and there would be no particular reason for any of them to lead the service.
I'd hesitate to use "religious teacher" because religion encompasses different things in different religions. I consider myself Conservative. I would never look to a rabbi for advice on belief in god, prayer, afterlife, etc. I listen to his or her interpretation of texts (if he's good) and expect him to know a lot of history.
The problem with the data is showing a causal link between education and pay. It may be that those who are apt to earn more (with or without an education) are also those who more frequently attend college. Remember what they say about educating an idiot...
Pays is right. University California "fees" going up 9.3% this year.
There should be a special category for College/University students - based on what I hear their unemployment rate is at historic highs
It's possible that "education pays" will be as prescient as "real estate always goes up."
(Pigment from last thread)
When I first started traveling in the UK in the early 1980's, there was still quite a bit of coverage of WW1 vets in the papers and I could see how profoundly changed a country the war must have made it after hostilities ended. Now nearly 30 years later just a handful of WW1 vets are living, and you never hear about them anymore.
Anybody high up enough to have been a decision-maker on a higher level in WW2 is dead now, or close to it. The bright-eyed bushy tailed buck private 18 year old g.i. that got in late in the game in 1945, is 82 years old this year...
The power of Education + The power of Networking
Data are 2008 annual averages for persons age 25 and over. Earnings are for full-time wage and salary workers.</
Recent college grads are probably under 25.
"Anybody high up enough to have been a decision-maker on a higher level in WW2 is dead now, or close to it."
Likewise
Anybody high up enough to have been a decision-maker on a higher level in the 70s is dead now, or is pushed aside as a figure head (i.e. Volcker).
I wonder what percent of US population over 25yrs have less than high school diploma.
.......only in America can a person with a Masters still not count change while working at Taco Bell........
I wonder what percent of US population over 25yrs have less than high school diploma.
The answer will depend on whether you include the prison population, which is not negligible, to put it mildly
I wonder what percent of US population over 25yrs have less than high school diploma.
It's all here.
Education pays ...
Would there be less unemployment if 100% of the population had Ph.Ds?
Went to the $3 matinee with my wife a few years ago, handed the ticket seller $21 and she broke out the calculator and handed us back $15 after pressing a few buttons.
.......just like young guys not being able to find anything using a map - they can't read it. They need their GPS - even today's Marines.
Computers in retail checkout has made calculating change a lost art, especially in our innumerate society. How many folks even keep their checkbook current (those under 50 yrs)? How many could do even minor maintenance to their auto (those under 40 yrs)? How many could grow their own food? How many could construct their own clothing from bolts of cloth?
I used to wonder how the learning accumlated before the fall of Rome could have been lost during the dark/middle ages. I no longer wonder. A generation or two is all it takes for a key skill to be gone.
american education sucks
YouTube - american education sucks
BOL going forward for most young Americans!
Another lost art: writing a legible letter with a pen or pencil. Most people don't even have a legible signature anymore. Our declaration of independence was signed by people who's signatures are still readable - today it would be signed by squiggly lines.
I've learned not to give someone $11 for a purchase of $5.56. You'd think these tards were looking at a calculus problem. I get my change, and then exchange five ones for a five dollar bill. 8th graders cant do 1000 times 1000.
Education may pay someone but not me! I have a Ph.D. in a field saturated with them, I will make less than $6000 over 14 weeks this fall teaching two courses as an adjunct.
People develop the skills that they need...
You don't balance a checkbook when you just charge everything and send the bank a few hundred every month.
Another result of peak credit is a total lack of basic math skills....
ok. I will repeat. Tony Bennett. 82 and still yummy.
I moan the passing of the verbal joke...
B.I. (before internet) the country didn't read jokes, it told them.
"The Forgotten Soldier" by Guy Sejer is the best first-person, private-level account of the Ostfront. Some believe it is fiction only because a soldier at the crack "Gross Deutschland" division had a life expectancy of about 3 months, and he lived to tell what he saw.
Juvenal Delinquent, sometimes I find it uncanny some intellectual overlaps between us. I trully get the feeling I know you from another blog. In any case, it is always a pleasure reading you.
way OT: but i think we hit peak Will Ferrell, with Ron Burgundy chased by dinosaurs
Another result of peak credit is a total lack of basic math skills....
And people complain that those defrauded by mortgage lenders were responsible for their fate. Ya, if you assume they knew anything about making a financial budget or could understand even the fundamental of interest on a loan.
......Geeze, AMF............$3. for a matinee? When was the last time you took her to a show? 1982?
A recording in honor of the veterans of the D-Day landings:
pavel.libsyn.com
[approx. 2 minutes]
p.s.
Not that I don't appreciate the written word, as puns are more profound written down.
Yeah, Dr. M. I guess they think the tip should be 100%. Several times people have asked me if I wanted change
back from a larger denomination bill. And I say, you were good, but you weren't THAT good. They usually have
the grace to laugh.
Yeah, Dr. M. I guess they think the tip should be 100%. Several times people have asked me if I wanted change
back from a larger denomination bill. And I say, you were good, but you weren't THAT good. They usually have
the grace to laugh.
The title is Saved By Memory -
A recording in honor of the veterans of the D-Day landings:
pavel.libsyn.com
Old folk bemoan lost skills while the young ones can't understand why their parents never learned to play video games--or set up a sound system--new skills are learned and old ones forgotten. Making change is a skill for a cash society--today's kids use credit cards--our credit cards--they game the system better than you think.
Why know math when the fed and treasury don't?
The Subversion of Education in America started in the 1970's then Deliberate Dumbing Down of Americans with media consolidation in 1980's with control of media by corporate oligarchs. It has got continually worse expect for 'the Internets' with development of browser in early to mid 1990's for Web. Without this I can only image how bad things would be.....
I wonder which group has the most home loans?
BSR
Here in left toasted Appalachia as recently as a few years ago we had both a genuine 1940's diner and and drive-in movie. Both got the kabosh in one month...
Poof
Liz, I don't know about 'yummy,' but a helluva singer and he did fit the description.
.....my condolences on your loss..........good ones are hard to find anymore.
Try giving $2.12 for a $1.87 purchase. It's like a magic trick for some of these guys.
I like to give em $2.12 for a $1.87 purchase and ask for my change back in nickels.
Ok, youse guys. You couldn't believe my lack of spreadsheet skills, and I can't believe you can't do simple
addition and subtraction in your head, not to speak of multiplication and division. And most important of
all the skill of estimating and rules of thumb and figuring out that you may not know why, but this math answer just
has to be wrong. If you can't set up and solve simple problems in your head, how can you, in a quick interaction with people, tell them they are wrong. If you lean on electronics too much you won't be able to figure out what to do when
you have a variation.
Of course, best to do both. Sometimes, this regard to simple business-y or retirement math, I will tell him (the hub) he is
wrong. He gets mad, because he works with truly advanced math all the time. So far I have been proven right.
My granddad went all the way thru 3rd grade, but he was really really good at adding up long columns of figures accurately. He could also literately read and write.
And speaking of math. Maybe the professional types make a lot more, but now especially, how much of that
are they paying in compound interested student loans? It ought to be subtracted.
And I think there is a certain amount of mandarin thinking here. People who could do a job, but don't have a degree
might not get the job, thus fulfilling a prophesy.
I'd like a double-double animal style, and i'll be eating it in my car. Oh, a vanilla shake too. Thanks.
Alright, you old people reminiscing of today's lost skills, I can do anything you can do better. I hope that settles things.
(hands cashier a four-finger-lid size plastic bag full of dimes)
Math skills make it perilous to pay in cash. Make sure you count your change! I'm not kidding! Although cash-register-math should just render it a handling problem.
Okay I'm < 40 and don't know how to do car maintenance. I did install an after-market MP3 player in it. Scary story related to said mp3 player install which does display my mechanical disabilities.
I was working on the car on an incline; due to the position of the gear switch I had to place the car out of Park. I placed it out of park and engaged the parking break. For some reason I assumed this would keep the parking break on... it seemed ilke it did. Then my 3-year old woke up from his nap and decided he wanted to come out and join me. I had the door open and he climbed up on my back. Somehow the parking brake became disengaged. It was a good thing that I was not doing anything critical as I was right on the brake to hit it. Scared the bejeesus out of me.
So honestly, car-repair safety seems like something I don't understand well enough and is not worth the risk. If I had some type of life I could use it might be worth learning about; but I don't have lift access. I'd rather leave it to the professionals. Hell I'm not even sure I can change my own tires... yes I'm a girlyman. I suppose it's family as well; I can't remember my dad touching cars with a 10-foot pole.
A while back, I went into a Taco Bell after a night at the strip club, where, of course, change is often given in $2 bills.
The cashier had never seen a $2 bill before. She called her manager over, who'd apparently never seen one either. He stopped just short of calling me a counterfeiter. They adamantly refused to accept it. They were ready to call the police. I was in a mood to be difficult, so I told him "Go ahead, I'll wait." Probably my day to get a cop who'd never seen one before, either.
Eventually, they backed down and took it after I agreed to sign it and leave my address. Like I was spending a roll of pennies or something.
X & Y chrono zones always bag on us, it's nice to return the favor...
they backed down and took it after I agreed to sign it and leave my address
lmao
Umm, do you think you made up that song lyric?
You didn't.
I could even sing it for you. Luckily the internet is all visual.
I can cook. (The crepes were great.)
I can sew.
I can raise food a little.
My grandmother could bottle her own excellent root beer. She could can the food she grew.
She could crochet and we still have her handmade big tablecloths. She ironed the towels.
She kept everything organized and clean. She made home made candy. She lived in a mid middle
class neighborhood with the houses close together and lots of amenities, and the availablity of
people to talk to.
For all this ye goode housewife got contempt and scorn. So knowbody knows how to do it
anymore.
I can't do that stuff. Knowing how to make your own root beer, under certain circumstances, could
still be far more useful than knowing how to win at Civilization.
JimPortlandOR
"And people complain that those defrauded by mortgage lenders were responsible for their fate. Ya, if you assume they knew anything about making a financial budget or could understand even the fundamental of interest on a loan."
The lender only wants a signature....
The folks only provide a signature....
When it all goes south the lender blames for folks for not knowing what they were doing...
The folks blame the lender/govt. for not requiring that they knew what they were doing...
I slid this puppy into my "you can't fix stupid file"
If College education means better long term employment and better pay then Student loans should not be allowed to BK. If Joe the mechanic can get his tools repoed then so should Joe college.
Umm, do you think you made up that song lyric?
Umm, no. My dad would walk around the house singing various tidbits of songs my whole life. He still does. Have you heard the one about the eighth old man named Henry? Wouldn't have a Willy or a Sam? I have have a million times.
I could even sing it for you. Luckily the internet is all visual.
I can cook. (The crepes were great.)
I can sew.
I can raise food a little.
Like I said, I can do anything you can do better. And I can sing.
Kids are smarter than everything thinks here, its the communication skills that suck...
You can't beat simple math into your head, other than painful beating it into your
head. Rote. Memorization. You have to do that before you can do some other things.
In defense of the innumerate, there are generally a number of things that they do know how to do.
Ok, RATM, what musical comedy was that song from?
And I think that the previous 7 'Eneries were named Henry too.
Jeez., I wish I had some of the skills my grandparents had.
They were farm people, brought up during GD1.0. They knew how to can, preserve, make their own cheese and butter and bread from wheat. They could spin their own cloth from cotton or wool and sew (butt-ugly, but functional) clothing from scratch. To them, electricity and indoor plumbing were unfathomable luxuries.
If Joe the mechanic can get his tools repoed then so should Joe college.
Almost every single state provides for a "tools of the trade" exemption for BK; after all, it's hard to pay your loans if you can't work.
dude, like how are you gonna repo beer?
"If Joe the mechanic can get his tools repoed then so should Joe college."
Betcha can't make root beer like my grandma did!
"dude, like how are you gonna repo beer?"
You don't buy beer you rent it!
I can make bread. I think I will make some today. With millet in it. And maybe blueberries.
I made butter once, by mistake, by whipping the whipping cream a bit too long.
The health food store sells homemade butter by the way. Very expensive and delish.
I like going to my mom's house, as she went through GD1, and saves EVERYTHING.
Nothing says austere quite like a checkbook box full of pencil stubs...
Were here, were austere, get used to it.
My mom had a pleasant GD I.0. Hard to get her to throw that last tablespoon of peas and corn away.
YLSP, the moral to your story is that you learn from those little mistakes. Next time, you don't work on the car on an incline if you have to take it out of gear. Or, you simply block the wheels. People learned the various skills by trial and error. Don't let the error stop you. It's part of the process.
People think I'm cheap. I marvel at them.
Miami Dade, according to what the hub heard, has the highest rate of credit card debt in
the nation.
Except if you are in danger of getting squashed. Or, worse, having the 3 year old
squashed. The hurricane center has never (never being since the 50s don't know about
previous to that) had loss of life in the air. Have had some injuries during rough ups and
downs in hurricanes. They did have someone killed when a generator squashed a guy
against a plane. Guy took the chocks out, which was semi customary, since I guess it
was hard to work and have the generator chocked in.
After hurricane Andrew, I borrowed some thick soled tennis shoes and we started hauling
things out. It took less than 10 minutes to get a nail rammed into my foot. We hired some
people to wheelbarrow the house insides to the swale after that. Some people are good
at somethings, but not others.
I have a friend that is a born genius for everything and anything hands-on mechanical, never seen anybody like him.. but he can't spell worth a lick.
Why medians? They're hopelessly misrepresntive...
Mean makes much more sense...
The smart thing is to recognize when you don't know something and then find someone
who does know to tell you. And to recognize the one who does know. Quick hint, if they say
you should trust them, run. If they say trust them because they are a good (fill in religion of
your choice) run faster.
On this issue, I always wonder about cause and effect. A smart, hardworking person is more employable and more capable of getting higher degrees of education.
Oh, that's totally right, lawyerliz... My experience with contractors is, if you see a jeebus fish on the guy's business card, run fast; run far.
Ok, he can still definitely sing better than almost anyone else around, but...eewwww!
you guys.
I doubt very much that the percentage of people who can do mental arithmetic has actually changed that much. But the people who couldn't, now have calculators to fall back on. Ditto map reading - which i remember most people in my class failed miserably. Those were advanced skills for professionals back in the day.
Now, if i want to do any of the things you mention, all i have to do is look it up on google. Read as many different descriptions of how to do it as i need to, and then go and start practicing. And i can do that from anywhere in the world.
This is a major improvement on Mrs. Beeton's.
No, my first attempt won't match your grandma's. Her first attempt didn't either.
In the meantime, i and obviously everybody else whose posting here will continue to enjoy the fruits of a highly industrialised and productive society, in the form of a lazy afternoon not having to can food, make clothes, etc.
sheesh,
-- w
'If Joe the mechanic can get his tools repoed then so should Joe college."
What if they were given them but failed to learn to use them? Ever met today's undergrads? I'd say maybe 20% would be better served in a vocational school.
CR's charts are very professional...but BR's are definitely more my style:
LOLZ
Another fun dumb cashier trick: Ask for change for a $20. When they ask what kind, say "two tens and a five". This works surprisingly often. (No, I never take the money. I'm not that cruel!)
if you see a jeebus fish on the guy's business card, run fast; run far.
I had some Maoist car mechanic friends who always charged more for "jeebus fish" cars.
I think they wanted the gene pool cleaned up a bit, and were worrying about the slipping fitness of homo sapiens.
I have a Darwin fish.
Would i get a cheaper rate? I've been egged a couple of times for it.
The hub has a fat buddha-fish. Would he get charged more or less?
Best invention ever: School House Rock.
I still do logarithms in head when I'm bored.
And I keep my checkbook in excel using pivot tables and linked sheets and I forecast out 5 years min. My ex husband thought it was the weirdest thing he'd ever seen. But then he had to file BK 4 years after we split.
Wow Jane, you are 'way, 'way beyond me.
.....does blue collar Ph.D. i.e. engineers and scientists make the same amount of money as that of non - science doctoral degree holder? ......stat doesnt tell the whole story........
Sorry about the eggs Liz. Narrow mindedness is not a property of geography though at times we all wonder. I do give people extra points for having a flying spaggetti monster on their car >; )
lawyerliz--
A discount for a Darwin Fish, probably best to avoid the buddha-fish.
As Mao pointed out:
"Religion is Poison"
I try to have equanimity on the matter, and recognize most people are essentially good (as long as they have adequate resources), and take it from there.
. The economy, however, almost two years after the beginning of the crisis, continues to be overwhelmed by unredeemable debts. As long as households and firms continue to bear the brunt of excessive debt, they will try to reduce expenditures and increase savings. Until debt is reduced to levels which are perceived as reasonable, the private sector expenditure will be exceptionally low. After the Great Depression, in the early thirties, there was a lack of demand because there was no economic activity and no income. Today, the lack of demand is the result of the exceptionally high rate of savings required to bring back private debt to reasonable levels. These are very different situations.
The American economic condition of today has more similarity with the Japanese economy after the real estate and banking crisis of the nineties. In Japan, the government avoided the bankruptcy of the financial system. Monetary and fiscal policy became aggressively expansionist, interest rates approached zero and, nevertheless, the economy remained virtually stagnant for more than a decade. A faint economy, but with no debt, can be jump-started through an increase in public spending. Once reanimated, an exceptionally high percentage of the generated income is no longer saved in order to reduce debt, but spent in order to rebuild firms and households standards of living. It thus creates demand and gives rise to the virtuous circle of recovery. In an economy paralyzed by the excess of debt - as it is the case of Japan since the early nineties and as it is now the case of the US - neither monetary policy nor fiscal policy can reactivate the economy
FT.com | Willem Buiter's Maverecon |
I admit, even though I flipped the bozo bit on religion decades ago, I do have a fish on my car, purely for protective camouflage in this culture.
Buddhaism as I see it is an ethical/moral/philosophical system with the pleasanter trappings of
religion. Tho I do think some versions are religion equivalents.
So, Takeaname, do we forgive say, half of all debts?
I'm 31, can do math in my head, basic car maintenance, read maps like the Boy Scout I was, and have a law degree (for which ~$120,000 of my loans are still outstanding). I keep my checkbook up to date and also have an excel spreadsheet that tracks all of our liquid assets and expenses in real time (though no pivot tables)
Too bad none of those stopped me from getting laid off in March, or help me land a job since. Every lawyer position in the federal gov't is getting 200+ applications right now. Even the limited-term ARRA jobs are getting 130+ applications for GS-12 positions.
You feel like you HAVE TO have a fish?
lawyerliz (profile) wrote on Sat, 6/6/2009 - 9:49 am
The hub has a fat buddha-fish. Would he get charged more or less?
He'd be charged a fair price but only get the service he needed no matter what he asked for and the price wouldn't really matter as it would eventually come around back to him.
Oh yes, LL. This is still a street-preacher, snakehandler culture, very much so. It's a fairly common occurrence for someone to walk up to you randomly and ask 'Have you been washed in the blood of the lamb?" If I argued, I'd be arguing all the time about a subject I'm not even interested in discussing.
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers jobs...
(with apologies to Billy)
.....does blue collar Ph.D. i.e. engineers and scientists make the same amount of money as that of non - science doctoral degree holder?
It's fairly accurate for Ph.D. chemists.
Zack McLambs Hemaglobin, dude where do you live?!
'As Mao pointed out:
"Religion is Poison"'
That's rich, coming from a mass murder.
Rural North Carolina.
"...interest rates approached zero and, nevertheless, the economy remained virtually stagnant for more than a decade."
.....they decreased int. rate after 8 years of the crisis.....they lost the opportunity .....that's the difference.....sueprficially two crisis look similiar , but inside is quite different.....
"Too bad none of those stopped me from getting laid off in March, or help me land a job since. "
Columns one and two on the front page of today's Washington Post. Scary.
Last time Jehovah Witnesses were able to spot me @ home, I told em' I was a Zoroastrian and my cult was way older than their cult...
The miss fits had a fit, explaining that they weren't a cult! (as I had "All Along The Watchtower" turned up to 11, in the background)
Meant to say that median salary for Ph.D. chemist is close to the median published by BLS. Don't know about the distribution of salaries with respect to Ph.D. holders in other fields.
"Zack McLambs Hemaglobin, dude where do you live?! "
some days, I'd swear that sounds like the central valley. Inner CA has more in common with the midwest then coastal CA.
Take a name asswipe wrote:
The American economic condition of today has more similarity with the Japanese economy after the real estate and banking crisis of the nineties.
A number of economists think this way, and the parallels make sense to me. However, I am starting to think that the differences in starting conditions between the U.S. and Japan will result in dramatically different outcomes. For example, Japanese interest rates remained low for decades, yet the long end of our yield curve appears to be climbing at a disastrous rate. Even if the Fed decides to throw trillions more at the 10-year, it will probably only produce lower rates for a short time.
I think a Japanese style outcome is optimistic at this point.
js esq.: Inside tip. Send an application to the treasury department. They'll need a new "senior ethics counsel" soon. They don't advertise the position, but it's about to open up. No joke. They'll take anyone right out of law school. Also, no joke.
Hoopajoops - I've actually applied for many jobs at treasury, as a lawyer and otherwise. I applied for a whole series of criminal investigator positions, some related to TARP. I got back a little stub in the mail saying "only disabled veterans were referred" for consideration. If you're not a federal employee or have a veterans preference, it's almost impossible to get hired right now.
Japan also had an emerging China in which to invest into...
What exactly do we have on the horizon that is emerging aside from our sordid debts?
Deflationary Jane said: "Ever met today's undergrads? I'd say maybe 20% would be better served in a vocational school."
I agree wholeheartedly. I don't know if it was as bad when I was an undergrad, but at least 20% of today's undergrads should not be in college, but should be in a trade school. At least half of those (10%) should have never graduated highschool, let alone let into college. The remaining 10% doesn't understand what college is about and are completely out of their league.
js esq., that's strange. Maybe you're not senior ethics counsel material.
It's the worst job ever, from what I've heard. My buddy applied for an unrelated job and got contacted by someone else at the dept. "How would you like senior ethics counsel... you know, so people can ask you questions about ethics..." "Sure!" he said. The job turns out to be looking at investment declaration on forms submitted by treasury dept officials... all day....
Good news is they're hungry to fill the seat.
...... @curious ......believe you me , it is not just for chem. field .......I have lots of friends in various scientific domain .... none of them are financially satisfied, and more than that they regret to be in those jobs......this labor dept. stat is just for preventing high school drop-out......number itself is quite dubious.........
Juv--
--as I had "All Along The Watchtower" turned up to 11
I had one of those experiences also. I was living in Mammoth Lakes (needed to ski a bit after that tough gig at UCSB, and finish a thesis, which never got finished in Mammoth as I had guests for the next 3 years).
It was one of those blizzard conditions, dark, where no one even a bit sane would be out, and I get a knock at the door--
Sure enough, a Witless coming to give the rap. The condition were so horrific, I let the guy in, fearing he would die in these conditions. "Jesus is Just All right With Me" was blaring from the stereo. Didn't even notice. We were so stoned, and the situation so absurd, everyone was laughing uncontrollably. I finally turned the poor fellow out into the night.
Pavel - Thanks, hadn't seen that article (assume you mean this one - Error - washingtonpost.com. We only get the sunday Post.
Fortunately, I'm getting severance until the end of this month, and my wife has a great job with a major consulting firm. I just wish the weather here was better right now so I could at least spend more time at the pool while I'm home all day writing KSAs and cover letters.
Pretty accurate for Psychology professors, but low for starting Psychology PhD's in industry (I/O., Bio, HF/Cog).
I think those stats are balanced by all of the poor English PhDs teaching 6 adjunct classes for $18k a year.
On another note: do professional degrees (Dentist, MD, lawyer) really make that little (relatively speaking)? I would have thought that their median income would have been higher than PhD's.
Hoop -
I'd take that job. At least once you get in, it's easy to move around. There are worse things than looking at investment declarations all day. Like looking at USAJobs all day.
I bought the law (student loans)
But the law wan( (no jobs)
Yeah, but at least his accomplishment wasn't tainted with evil religious overtones.
Jay.D.. (profile) wrote on Sat, 6/6/2009 - 1:06 pm reply Ignore user "...interest rates approached zero and, nevertheless, the economy remained virtually stagnant for more than a decade."
.....they decreased int. rate after 8 years of the crisis.....they lost the opportunity .....that's the difference.....sueprficially two crisis look similiar , but inside is quite different.....
Push on a string today or five years from now and the affect is the same. Refusing to raise rates was their mistake, as it is ours.
Japan Interest Rate
@Jay.D..
I have lots of friends in various scientific domain .... none of them are financially satisfied, and more than that they regret to be in those jobs
I'm sorry to hear that.
@NoVAwatcher
On another note: do professional degrees (Dentist, MD, lawyer) really make that little (relatively speaking)? I would have thought that their median income would have been higher than PhD's.
I found that surprising too. We should check the BLS definitions.
Education pays, after all, how much would I be able to enjoy "methodology called maximum entropy" (from last night's Rating Agency post) without it? I'm still laughing!
Let's take software developers. The best ones usually have a degree in something, sometimes in computer science but far from always.
New developers just out of school are often a liability rather than a help. With most of these folks, a lot of time is required to get them to "unlearn" the bad habits they were taught in their computer science classes. They are usually able to get simple programs to work, but are completely unprepared to write commercial-grade software. This seems to be due an emphasis on learning "teaching languages" rather than commercial languages, group projects in which one or two people do most of the work, and no exposure to documentation requirements, structure, maintainability, readability, or debugging techniques.
In this field, a degree means little more than a demonstration of motivation to finish something, and at least a passing interest in the field. Back when a CS degree was seen as a ticket to a great job, an employer could not even count on the degree to indicate a passing interest. This has improved a bit lately with the changes in the industry due to outsourcing.
And if you read the academic journals in the field, you can see that the academics who run the programs generally do not understand the problem. And this is not to knock the universities alone, my experience is that the trade schools are as bad or worse. Only large companies can afford to run the internal training programs necessary to effectively make use of new graduates. This limits opportunities for CS grads in small companies, which ironically would be better opportunities for many if they were adequately prepared in school.
Education in the country needs a radical re-think. This is only one small example in an area that I happen to be familiar with.
Watched a program last night on Jehovah Witness that changed my impression of them. Anti-war positions, refusing to fight in WW 2, wouldn't pay homage to the American flag got them beaten, murdered, castrated by angry mobs of patriots. In Germany, they refused to pay homage to Hitler, or go to war for Germany. They were sent to concentration camps along with the Jews.
"Pavel - Thanks, hadn't seen that article "
You're welcome.
Shylockracy, I've also read the memoir by Guy Sajer.
PhD EEs in silicon valley are making $160K-$200K for analog design or digital design in select areas (wireless, fiber optics, etc). Cost of living is pretty high, though.
@NoVAwatcher
This table might explain why median salary is less for professional degree than for doctoral degree.
First professional degree. Occupations that require at least two years of full–time academic study beyond a bachelor's degree (for example, law, medicine, dentistry and clergy).
"Push on a string today or five years from now and the affect is the same. Refusing to raise rates was their mistake, as it will be ours."
....think about external factors , when they were in hard times, global rates were this low?.....no difference?....well , we'll see.....it's the same stupidity like comparing this "economic difficulty" to 1930's GD......
"PhD EEs in silicon valley are making $160K-$200K for analog design or digital design in select areas."
....yeah , you said "selected areas"....I am talking about stat......do you know how much PhD EEs in foundry processing fab. make ?.....
A neighbor and his wife down the road from us have been shunning us for a few years now. They refuse to acknowledge our existence along with about 6 others because of a lawsuit. When we see one-another in passing they avert their heads away from us, and no eye contact, heaven forbid!
When you are a Jehovah Witness and you leave the flock, this is what happens to you apparently. As if you never existed.
That's pretty creepy.
Keeping the illusion of US prosperity going and the desperate housewives of Northern New Jersey in their luxury homes with Chinese money must really be pissing the Chinese off.
sm_landlord: I know a Psych professor who was interviewing a Computer Science master's student for a job. The student knew neither C++ nor Java, yet had a CS degree. That was typical of the CS grad students he and his colleagues had interviewed/interacted-with over the years. They were binary: 50% were worthless, the other 50% were great.
In the end he concluded that it was easier to teach Psychology grad students to program in C++ (for EEG/ERP, fMRI, and other experiments) than it is to hire a CS student.
Pavel, still on personal accounts of Eastern Front, I'd highly recommend "Kaputt" by Curzio Malaparte.
So honestly, car-repair safety seems like something I don't understand well enough and is not worth the risk. If I had some type of life I could use it might be worth learning about; but I don't have lift access. I'd rather leave it to the professionals. Hell I'm not even sure I can change my own tires...
Replaced my wife's car water pump on Monday,...realized it's been at least fifteen years since I've worked on a car. Most of the time was spent looking for my various tools. It's just makes more sense to leave it to a mechanic you can trust; they've got the tools and the time. (Of course, finding that mechanic is a problem.) Didn't have a manual, used the internet to look for procedures.
Education in the country needs a radical re-think.
I hate to admit it, but I'm enjoying the spectacular crash-and-burn that the academic-industrial complex is experiencing. the schadenfreude is greatest for those that thought they were safe because higher-ed was a safe haven during a recession. to a certain extent, parents are entrusting the future of the their kids to colleges, and yet these administrative idiots didn't even understand basic economic principles. did they believe that tuition could continue to rise 5-10% every year for two decades? i don't agree with jas on many things, but he's spot on when he says that government should not be in the business of pushing debt on children. if government doesn't want to pay for the full cost of the education, then so be it. it's ironic that the new credit card law now requires proof of income for individuals under 21, but the government will lend non-dischargeable loans for about $200K without proof that the student is even employable...
All this talk of science degree holders being unsatisfied with their jobs makes me nervous about my decision to quit the law and become a science degree holder...
well , we'll see.....it's the same stupidity like comparing this "economic difficulty" to 1930's GD......
Though we disagree, I agree with your stupidity comment regarding opposing perceptions. You are correct, we will see.
"Pavel, still on personal accounts of Eastern Front, I'd highly recommend "Kaputt" by Curzio Malaparte."
OK, thanks, haven't read it but will look for it.
The father of an acquaintance of mine in Moscow had served in an artillery unit west of Moscow, one of those who stopped the Germans. When I met him he was blind and living on an inadequate pension. This was during the early 90s, and his son would bring food, make the old man porridge, and guide his spoon to the bowl. There was also some donated tinned meat from Germany in the house - a bitter form of charity.
Again, China's Electric Consumption Does Not Support Official Growth Statistics
"China's power consumption in May continued to decline. Although the National Bureau of Statistics denied the conflict between economic growth and power consumption decline since the beginning of the year, Zhao Bingren, ex-chairman of China Electricity Regulatory Commission, expressed his doubt on economic statistics reported by some areas. "
Again, China's Electric Consumption Does Not Support Official Growth Statistics-ChinaStakes.com
curious: (for example, law, medicine, dentistry and clergy).
Cripes, what retard thought of including clergy along with MDs and lawyers? The salary distribution has got to be radically bi-modal.
I gots innoculated hard wood logs sproutin' shrooms, layin' hens an' a vigorous rooster, small stretches of root veggies, small patches of wheat/barley, french hybrid hillside vines on sandy soil; I makes sandwich bread-wheat'n' rye, beer, hard cider, wine. Hold hand tools ad naseum. Frontier skills.
Still I fear it won't matter how well prepared and stocked an individual is, when the larger society isn't. Overwhelmed and subsumed in the maelstrom's march to anarchy. But for now it provides peace of mind. Pioneers only worried about hostile natives, starvation, and a host of deadly disease. Pantywaist pikers!
"curious: (for example, law, medicine, dentistry and clergy)."
Although there are perquisites, I doubt that many Catholic parish priests earn as much as 20 K per annum. There is free housing, medical care, and sometimes a car or shared car.
"Replaced my wife's car water pump on Monday,...realized it's been at least fifteen years since I've worked on a car. Most of the time was spent looking for my various tools. It's just makes more sense to leave it to a mechanic you can trust; they've got the tools and the time. (Of course, finding that mechanic is a problem.) Didn't have a manual, used the internet to look for procedures. "
Did a super supreme intake manifold gasket job on my 2001 Blazer last month, hadn't done that in 25 years. Was not a piece of cake but was very gratifying and went well. Changed all fluids and complete tuneup while I was at it all for under $300, saved myself 2 grand on the job.
"They could spin their own cloth" - um, no.
The raw fiber is cleaned, carded, then spun into yarn. Sometimes it is dyed before spinning, sometimes after. It is then measured into balls, cones or skeins. From there it can be knit, crocheted or woven into actual cloth. Weaving is a complex process. Cloth then undergoes further processing to full it. - From the diary of a mad weaver (Sol)
There is nothing more satisfying than watching the fire being made at the bottom of the ivory tower right now.
Except for also knowing that many of the most egregious are still looking down their noses from inside.
@Jay.D..
It looks like EE's are doing fairly well. Do you think the data in this table are fudged?
@Hoops
I recommend studying analytical chemistry with an emphasis on applications in biology. There's a large demand for chemists with knowledge of both mass spectrometry and protein science. I'm happy with my job and most of my classmates are also happy. Also doing fine financially.
Electric and fuel consumption hear and abroad is in direct correlation with economic activity. They can deny this all they want, we know they are liars none the less.
Marcy Kaptur is wonderful:
Marcy Kaptur of Ohio...
Hoopajoops wrote:
All this talk of science degree holders being unsatisfied with their jobs makes me nervous about my decision to quit the law and become a science degree holder...
I believe there is always a demand for talent, in any field or economic climate. I've never been fired or laid off in 24 years so this particular hubris has served me well (so far). If you have a passion for science and some talent, I think will you do fine. If you have a passion for law and some talent, I think you will do fine. Some levels of "fine" might be better than others depending on external factors, like a glut of good lawyers.
yogi: i'll take you on your bet that the S.Ct. decides for the Indiana pensioners.
" The Business Birth-Death Model added 220,000 jobs to the headline seasonally-adjusted number.
Without this number, we are looking at a loss of 565,000 jobs."
Guest post: Payroll data mixed despite the bullish headline job loss figure « naked capitalism
If you have a passion for law and some talent, I think you will do fine.
He had those two things, but he still hated his job. No job you hate is worth the money. He'll do fine because he's willing to sacrifice "security" for the pursuit of happiness.
" June 6, 2009
Searchers found bodies and debris from Air France Flight 447, the British Broadcasting Corp. reported June 6, citing a statement from the Brazilian air force. Experts on human remains will travel to Brazil to inspect the bodies."
Authorities remain cautious about the identification.
sdtfs wrote:
He had those two things, but he still hated his job. No job you hate is worth the money. He'll do fine because he's willing to sacrifice "security" for the pursuit of happiness.
Agreed.
EE was fun but you're working for the man. Projects get canceled, ideas get, um, borrowed and not returned. Managers who are not qualified by any metric visible to carbon-based life forms get promoted.
Edit: sometimes (rarely to occasionally) you hit the jackpot with EE.
I have heard from industry people that many oil & gas people are about to retire, but get ready for a boom and bust ride if you harness those horsies.
You're on, Basel.
I did say "substantially modified", cool?
Shyidiocracy if you're lurking, are you still under the bizarre impression that Geithner is Jewish?
you're too young to worry yet, Hoop.
Todays positive comment - chicks dig my gray beard
Pavel:
I've been travelling 5 weeks and missed reading CR. But I just realized that one of the things I missed the most was (were?) your thoughts.
$50 tip to Hoocoodanode says the Supreme Court substantially modifies or overturns Judge Gonzalez's ruling allowing sale to Fiat.
What do you mean by "substantially modifies"? So what happens if the Court establishes a lnew egal standard for a sub rosa reorganization, but the Second Circuit reaches the same judgment even applying the new standard?
Push?
that should read "new legal" (my cursor had a hiccup).
Shyidiocracy if you're lurking, are you still under the bizarre impression that Geithner is Jewish?
He's Not???
On Chrysler
The Super Court will rule in favor of whatever is clean, and orderly. Then don't want that kind of responsibility esp the ciriticism for problems going forward with other bk's IMO.
No.
Yogi, it is a self-evident fact that a Shylockracy often doubles as an Idiocracy given its inbred nepotism and tribalism.
About Geithner, no, I have never stated he is a Jew, nor do I think he is. In fact, it is entirely indifferent if he is ethnically or religiously jewish; what matters is the crimes he has committed against the Republic while head of the NY-Fed and later as treasury Sec.
It is plain his loyalty does not lie with the American public.
Basel: For me to win, they have to void the deal or put conditions on which favor the pension fund in some way.
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What could the Fed possibly have to hide? If they have nothing to hide what are they afraid of?
I've called for his resignation many times here, and for Paulson's indictment.
Couldn't tell where your post was going the other night, and I don't understand your handle very well. I've never been able to get through "The Merchant of Venice".
NoVAwatcher: I have a CS degree and have interviewed a lot of people over the years. It probably is easier to hire grad students to write C++ if you do not care about what is produced or how long it takes, but that is besides the point. Many people still go into the field because of the dotcom bubble, or they are IT nerds who cannot program out of a wet paper bag and would be better served with an IS degree. I have found the best determinants are: BS school (e.g. a top tier school is much hardier to graduate with a CS degree in, low tier you can do it probably without learning any programming at all), and why they got into the field. That is generally my first question, why did you decide to study CS in school? If their answer is along the lines of good career, blah blah blah, the interview is unlikely to go well. Its like getting an art degree, if you are not a good artist innately and interested the craft, all of the schooling in the world isn't going to make you great. And the difference between a median programmer and a great programmer is exponential, one great programmer could replace a team of 10 run of the mill guys easily.
"Pavel:
I've been travelling 5 weeks and missed reading CR. But I just realized that one of the things I missed the most was (were?) your thoughts."
picosec, I don't know what to say except it sounds like friendship to me, which I gratefully return.
Pavel
Don't be defensive, Yogi, The Merchant of Venice is merely a symbol.
This site says 190, mostly Republicans. Don't know why Kaptur, Sherman et al aren't listed. Do liberals have an objection to some part of the bill?
HR 1207
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Computers in retail checkout has made calculating change a lost art, especially in our innumerate society. How many folks even keep their checkbook current (those under 50 yrs)? How many could do even minor maintenance to their auto (those under 40 yrs)? How many could grow their own food? How many could construct their own clothing from bolts of cloth?
I used to wonder how the learning accumlated before the fall of Rome could have been lost during the dark/middle ages. I no longer wonder. A generation or two is all it takes for a key skill to be gone.
If you go to England within 50 yards you will find ruins of a Roman Villa with beautiful mosaics and an Anglo Saxon hovel - separated in time by about 75 years. When a specialized market economy collapses people regress many centuries. The anglo- saxon artifacts are more similar to artifacts from a 1000 years earlier. Progress is not linear.
A highly specialized system is also a very efficient system- but it is also a more vulnerable system.
For what, exactly?
I think Rabbis make a reasonable sum.
Usually 50 to 100k, less in the ultra-orthodox communities. The job or title can in no way be compared to that of Priest, of course.
It is mostly Republicans because the party in power wants no upsetting of the power structure. If Republicans controlled the government, the bill would be sponsered almost entirely by Democrats.
Why didn't the Anglo Saxons go live in the villa? I suspect it wasn't built with
England's climate in mind.
Why not, Yogi?
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" The Business Birth-Death Model added 220,000 jobs to the headline seasonally-adjusted number.
Without this number, we are looking at a loss of 565,000 jobs."
Guest post: Payroll data mixed despite the bullish headline job loss figure « naked capitalism...
looking at the BLS web site is really quite fascinating.
When they do the survey if one of the company in their sample has gone out of business they ignore it and assume that it would have reported as the rest of the sample.! Their argument is that since their sampling doesn't cover new business creation by not counting the dead business it sort of evens out. Having done that they than add in an additional amount based on some kind of statistical model drawn from the last five years data.
Here is the interesting thing in their B/D model for 2009 they are assuming more job creation than in 2008, despite the fact they had to substantially revise the 2007 adjustment downwards in their bench mark revisions. (I would add this is not done to massage the numbers but just the way the model works and not sure that they have much choice but to report as per the methodology the have used. Changing would certainly leave them vulnerable t the accusation of manipulating the data. Its the analysts who I think are at fault.- basically lazy)
Bottom line the B/D is based on 5 years of a growing economy and would be reasonable if the economy was growing or stable. It has to vastly overstate job creation in a declining economy particularly one that has had as much of a shock as this one. My suspicion is that not only were 220,000 jobs not created in new business but that the net of business going out of business and those being created is actually negative i.e. rather than creating jobs the birth death adjustment is negative.
Again using the BLS own words- according to them the model overstates job losses in January and overstates job gains in April and May if there are big swings. Thus for all this talk of second derivatives being positive I would suggest that January was not as bad as minus 741,000 and nor were April and May as good as minus 504,000 and minus 345,000.
"I have found the best determinants are: BS school (e.g. a top tier school is much hardier to graduate with a CS degree in, low tier you can do it probably without learning any programming at all), and why they got into the field."
University guys think coding is an art form when it is just welding one piece of shit commercial module to another hastily written piece of shit module. Customer usually do not know jackshit and projects are always late because some idiotic salesman promised X and Y by date Z. Yeah, we delivered X and Y and jumping rabbits screensaver but with no engine.
But is ok now, I switched to Ubuntu Linux and my computer is very Zen. Hypertension cured and no more anger management classes needed. Those Microsoft jokers spent BILLIONS of dollars developing Windows NT/XP/VISTA and still even VISTA is crap. And now US army is switching to use VISTA. Good luck with that.
I am able to write with my nice Linux much better killer drone in a week and kick your puny microsoft "what you mean blue screen again?!" drones. Bring them on.
lawyerliz (profile) wrote on Sat, 6/6/2009 - 12:03 pm
Why didn't the Anglo Saxons go live in the villa? I suspect it wasn't built with
England's climate in mind.
Liz, the infrastructure and social contracts that made villa living possible collapsed. As a rough parallel you might as well ask what you would be using in your kitchen without electricity and gas.
I hear the jewish mohels make a paltry salary, but make it up in tips.
A tale of the loathsomeness either of Florida Republicans or factionalism in general.
The State Govt has cut school funding. But they did empower the county commissions to
raise (property?) taxes. The local head of the school board consulted with same to raise
taxes. They (repubs) all said ok, since it was for schools and he prepared a budget with the
increase in mind. The State level Repubs came in and said that if any of them voted for a
tax increase of any size for anything at all, that they would find some replacements and run the current
ofc holders out of ofc.
Leaving the head of the schools out to dry.
Perhaps Yancey but the left has enough votes to carry if they get fed up with the Fed, as Kaptur and Sherman are. I hope Ron Paul is ready to deal.
I have a fireplace in the family room area that connects with the kitchen. I suspect me and my cast iron pots
would be cooking from there. The cabinets are still cabinets.
Hopefully the water system would be the last to go.
Is there a law against using the Social Security tax data for economic analysis? Seems like the govt could just use the collected SS taxes amount and the total number of unique SS#'s to produce a meaningful report, Total number of SS#'s reporting, total wages.... It would probably be more accurate than the crap they are publishing now... Would not capture the cash economy but it would be a more reliable number as long as it was just the actual numbers reported, not adjusted in any way... The politicians probably wouldnt like it - couldnt be manipulated for political gain...
As for making change, a good cash register will calculate it for you; the cashier simply enters the amount tendered. Retailers need better machines.
Technology makes some skills obsolete, or unnecessary. Remember when supermarket cashiers were paid good money, and deserved it? It took accuracy and stamina to punch numbers correctly all day long. Technology made that unnecessary. And at the turn of the 20th century, before adding machines, men and women who could add and subtract large columns of numbers quickly were in great demand. Post adding-machine... not so much.
That said, the skills don't need to be lost. I took a rather bad class in math education a few years ago; but one thing that I did find (from reading and later from classroom practice) was that math education based on problem solving first and drill second did a much better job of teaching kids to do math, and moreover teaching them to do it in their heads. In other words, get the kids to solving the problem any way they can, feed the additional tools to them as they're ready for them and can integrate them into their problem-solving technique. We don't do it that way in the states mainly; we teach a variety of isolated techniques; the kids never link them together into a bigger picture, or actually realize what they mean. And the skills are not used, and they fade away. The kids use calculators.
This is the way math is mainly taught in the U.S.; the books said they did it better in England. So I looked up a couple of Brits and asked them if they could do math in their heads and they said, yes, they both could; and found it funny that their American friends had to haul out calculators for problems that they (the Brits) didn't even need pencil and paper for.
So you can blame a lot of the problem on "these kids today," but you can also blame it on factory-style, mass-production-style education, especially in places like California. Throwing mandatory tests on top of the problem just makes it worse; the teachers don't have time to do anything but teach to the test. And of course -- hey, there's always a calculator.
And yes, it filters up to the universities. My wife works in registration at a certain University, and the kids just aren't prepared; a whole lot can't write at the college level, others can't do math. And this includes a lot of the privileged, highly-prepped AP kids. They've been programmed to pass various advanced extrance exams, and that's all they know how to do. So they get in... and then they can't do anything.
"to a certain extent, parents are entrusting the future of the their kids to colleges, and yet these administrative idiots didn't even understand basic economic principles. did they believe that tuition could continue to rise 5-10% every year for two decades?"
They understand, especially in the public schools. I can't speak for everything; but here in California, in large part tuition is rising as state funding drops. It's not just about the efficiency of the higher education system (which could be made a LOT more efficient); it's about the gradual withdrawal of state support, especially in California. And especially in the UC System, where state funding is now down below 20 percent of budget. Gov. S's Armageddon budget cuts state funding to one of the UC law schools (UC Hastings) completely. No lawyer jokes, please.
lawyerliz (profile) wrote on Sat, 6/6/2009 - 12:17 pm
I have a fireplace in the family room area that connects with the kitchen. I suspect me and my cast iron pots
would be cooking from there. The cabinets are still cabinets.
Hopefully the water system would be the last to go.
Now you are beginning to think about the consequences of complex societies getting even so much as the hiccups.
That's what Obama is afraid of even though he'll never admit it. Cascade serial failure of the US economy if we lose the wrong cog. At first he was fooled into believing that cog was the banks and now he's fooled into thinking it's the auto industry. Sadly when it comes time to save a State he'll think he's wised up and will not save them. Only then will he discover why this is the United States and not the United People of America. When he screws up the California rescue he'll discover we aren't even that "united." People thought I was kidding back in Sept when I said it will be a near thing for the next President to not also be the last President.
Sorry Liz, still interested?
Bob,
I have to agree with much of what you said about factory style education but never under estimate the pressure being put on the kids by the parents. That said, take a look at what some of the trade colleges are charging! $50k in tuition over 2 yrs for a degree that pays $13 an hour. Ouch! It's no wonder the parents push their kids into the CSU and UC system.
I got into a heated debate about teaching resources at UC with a local mother. Her stance was that she didn't care if UC only received 65% to 80% of the cost to educate the resident students each year. She was under the impression that the CA college system was required to take all students period and since CSU and UC received "some" money from the state, UC should be required to make up the difference somehow. Apparently shifting money away from programs that paid their way was expected.
We went on to a nice topic, like how much her house was worth. She pays 70% less taxes then her neighbors and then wonders why the state won't cough up to put her Blake through college. Where do these people come from?
Money for nothing and the education should be free.
Why do I get the sneaking suspicion this guy comments here?
Daniel James Murray, Man Sought For Threatening Obama, Arrested
University guys think coding is an art form when it is just welding one piece of shit commercial module to another hastily written piece of shit module
I see the "art form belief" a lot. There is an art to determining aspects of structure - more abstract design versus more concrete, what current skill levels and infrastructure can support, etc, but those aren't so much about coding. Certain decisions are very hard to prove and support as "right", especially if you've got a debate team mentality. The truth is that many decisions are marginal, i.e. they don't affect outcome very much.
@Gary
He was described by his father and former neighbors in Rexford as troubled but not dangerous, known for strolling down a street wearing a cape while talking to himself.
I haven't worn my cape for years, but I still talk to myself
In what Yogster? Why rabbis aren't == priests?
Money for nothing and the education should be free
DJ for governor!
The poor guy sounds like a nut job. Where'd he get the money from I wonder?
Prolly was so crazy he sold his house while there was still equity.
If it was missed, yesterday was the 20th anniversary of this incredible bravery:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg
curious, your handle just inspired a pun:
I would describe a person considering getting back into the market, but still on the fence as buy-curious.
Yeah, aside from the sex and the gender issues.
Higher education. The accumulation of knowledge and the opportunity to exercise your intellect. Years of extended adolescence while the postponed debt piles up. When you finish school and work the numbers you realize the salary you have to make and job search accordingly. The true professionals (i.e. lawyers, doctors, accountants) have a wide variety of high paying jobs to chose from but the humanity majors rapidly figure out that becoming a mortgage broker was their best bet. The good times rolled.
Current wage deflation and limited job prospects for the freshly minted college grads does have an upside. Educated citizens with free time and the vigor of youth will promote change. I admit I thought I'd see some marches by now but I probably underestimated the power of Facebook, video games and free movies on the internet. Eventually Mom and Dad will become enough of an impetus to force the unemployed degree holders out into the world with a lingering anger over the barista job they had to take.
The other side of education debt is the inflation in costs we all pay for the services provided. I'd add this into the unpopularity of lawyers, the high cost of health care and the willingness of accountants to go along with ludicrous changes in accounting standards. Having a large debt with no choice but to pay ensures you keep working in your chosen field regardless of your feelings in relation to the working standards and situation.
Increasing the cost of higher education ensures the broadening of the underclass and further divides our society. The slippery slope gets steeper.
I wasn't thinking of gender issues. I was thinking of middled aged men with yamekas and beards, ' cause that's what
they looked like when I was a kid.
was thinking of middled aged men with yamekas and beards
Will a yamaka make me even sexier?
"We went on to a nice topic, like how much her house was worth. She pays 70% less taxes then her neighbors and then wonders why the state won't cough up to put her Blake through college. Where do these people come from?
Money for nothing and the education should be free. "
DJ, they've been living on the California credit card for 30 years -- a situation where taxation is severely limited but demand for services is not -- and no one will tell the public "no". Plus a proposition system that encourages voters to approve massive bond measures without thinking about paying for them, and further hamstringing the budgeting process. From where your acquaintance sits, it all looks like FREE MONEY to her.
It's worked for her all her adult life. It's about to stop doing that, one way or the other.
Talking about trade schools.... I ran into a form of higher education the other day that actually made sense to me. One of the problems with higher ed is that the customer pays you (the university) his money, then YOU tell him whether he got his money's worth or not. Anyway, a friend is learning welding at the local community college, night classes. He can take welding to the end of time, if he wants. But anytime he thinks he's ready, he can pay $100 to a rep from the welder's professional organization, and take a practical test for a particular type of certification (by welding a particular job to certain standards). And he passes, or he doesn't. If he doesn't, he can take more classes and come back later.
It occured to me that universities would shape up fast if we separately from them the power to certify competence. Wouldn't matter what grades you got over four years if you didn't pass the competency test given by an impartial third-party. Students would learn pretty fast which colleges deserved their money. Things..... would change quickly.
This what are all these non scholars doing there thing is not new.
I graduated college in '68. Ahhhh, the white house marches. . .
Anyway, I've always loved to read and when I was carrying around an unfamiliar
book, whether tome or trash, I would be politely asked, oh, what class are you
reading that for, and I'd say, no class; I just wanna read it.
Oh, the puzzled looks.
I dunno, Broward, will it? Thought you had a sexy girlfriend.
We had a survey a month or so back on furloughs for UC staffers. We got back a nice summary with all the comments included, 92 pg worth. If you want to know what the culture inside UC looks like, this was a very telling document. As far as I know it's not restricted material so if you want a 92 pg rant on faculty and admin making up their shortfalls on the backs of the lowest paid people in the UC system, let me know and I'll send you the pdf.
nd no one will tell the public "no"
Of course no one says "no".
The customer is always right.
Or hadn't you made that connection between free markets and government spending yet?
The professional fields in architecture, landscape architecture, and civil engineering are especially hard hit no matter what that graph depicts. Just as there are too many malls, big boxes and master planned communities to last us into the second half of the century, there are many people in these professions that thought that things would get awfull, but not like this, including myself.
The amount of building and development that will occur in the future, and that's a big if, will be a miniscule amount compared to the boom years.
These professions are filled with people rethinking the viabilty of keeping these careers. In this case a culling is occuring. The older, less computer adept (managerial types), in these fields are rapidly becoming relics and being laid off. The younger kids will find it difficult to get jobs, but will because the skill sets are for very computer literate workers.
FYI "yamaka/yameka" is actually spelled "yarmulke".
Oy gevalt!
I dunno, Broward, will it? Thought you had a sexy girlfriend.
I have two but I'd rather have five.
I need a better distribution of free room & board.
I taught real estate law to potential agents and paralegal students. I made them think.
It was hard. They complained. I said, what good does it do you to pass an easy course with
me and then flunk the state test. Which is relatively hard. That shut them up. This did not
make the real estate agents any better, however. Maybe I taught a few to apply the facts to
the law and think a bit.
The Jews in my neighborhood pronounced it without an "r". We did not learn to spell the
word in Catholic School. Many of the older ones spoke Yiddish. My granddad who spoke
German could understand them and liked to listen in since they didn't know he could understand them.
FYI "yamaka/yameka" is actually spelled "yarmulke".
I blame Google.
Spelling is a skill I lost after Google took it over.
Speak, Yogster speak!! Or, are you still composing?
if we separately from them the power to certify competence
I've discovered over the past fifteen years that "higher education" is largely a CYA filter.
It delegates responsibility for competence away from company recruiters.
The "education" part is secondary, particularly in larger companies.
"It occurred to me that universities would shape up fast if we separately from them the power to certify competence. Wouldn't matter what grades you got over four years if you didn't pass the competency test given by an impartial third-party. Students would learn pretty fast which colleges deserved their money. Things..... would change quickly."
Freaking brilliant!
Now I don't mind furloughs and I'll take mine and say thankyouverymuch. Just means I'll work from home as the work has to get done. But I came from the private sector and worked in tech, when you are told you have a deadline, then you find that miracle. But I'm also surrounded by people who will not clear a jam in a copier or distribute mail in a pinch because "it's not in their job description". I think working for the state secretly translates to "wanting to paddle the @ss of 55 yr old spoil brats on a daily basis" in ancient Babylonian.
"Will a yamaka make me even sexier? "
Try wearing backwards and star a new trend!
Hahahahahahahahaha, Lobbyist!!!
When the hub went to Hopkins (undergrad), they were sat in an auditorium and told to look
at the people to the left and right. One of you three will not be there in a year. . . .
It delegates responsibility for competence away from company recruiters.
I agree, cuz hindsight is 20/20. Better to have an Ivy League failure than a State U failure.
"wanting to paddle the @ss of 55 yr old spoil brats on a daily basis"
Jane, would you kindly point a few of these babies in my direction? (ages 35-50, though!)
Broward, are you lucifer on a good day?
Bob Dobbs (homepage, profile) wrote on Sat, 6/6/2009 - 1:07 pm
DJ, they've been living on the California credit card for 30 years -- a situation where taxation is severely limited
Where do you people come up with this stuff? 9.3% income taxes and 8.5% sales taxes and usurious fees on everything else. and that "free tuition" guaranteed in the Constitution? $23k for my kid's Freshman year at UCLA.
Hi piggy.
Bye piggy.
Webster's online
"1.Judaism: a scholar and teacher of the Jewish law; now, specif., an ordained Jew, usually the spiritual head of a congregation, qualified to decide questions of law and ritual and to perform marriages, supervise religious education, etc."
Webster's is wrong. The only requirement for a valid Jewish marriage is a contract with two witnesses.
"Knowledgerush":
"In 19th century Germany and the United States, the duties of the rabbi became increasingly influenced by the duties of the Protestant Christian Minister. Sermons, pastoral counseling, representing the community to the outside, all increased in importance. Non-Orthodox rabbis, on a day-to-day business basis, now spend more time on these traditionally non-rabbinic functions than they do teaching, or answering questions on Jewish law and philosophy."
The second sentence is debatable. The Orthodox Jews, to their credit, never changed the traditional role or meaning of the rabbi. They were not concerned with resembling Christianity. (In Islam, the role of the Imam is even looser, as he isn't even required for "official conversion"). It's true that in Conservative (not the political meaning- ordains gay and women rabbis) and Reform Judaism, the Rabbi tends to lead services, but those Jews don't often attend and select their Rabbis mainly for their learning and teaching skills.
As an example, almost all prayer services are centered around reading a portion of the Torah. The Rabbi rarely reads. Members generally take turns.
The glut of good lawyers is the problem today. People who graduated with honors from top tier law schools and practiced with prestigious firms but got laid off since December are dime a dozen. It wasn't my fault, or a reflection on my capabilities as a lawyer, that my now ex-firm jettisoned every associate in my practice area.
What was your practice area?
I've only ever gone to weddings and bar mitzvahs. The rabbi seemed to run the
show.
And read the Old Testament of course.
So a rabbi is a religious teacher in origin?
"In origin" the rabbi interpreted the law. After the Romans put down the last revolt and destroyed the Temple in 70 AD, Jews had no power over the state law that applied to them until 1948. In 1948 rabbis were given the authority to apply the laws of conversion, in a political deal. Only this year was the Orthodox stronghold on that power broken in Israel.
In all other situations, the rabbi is only a teacher. If you went to a very observant ("Hassidic") bar-mitzvah you couldn't sit with the men, but even if you could, you wouldn't know who was running the show as there might be ten or twenty with the title "rabbi", and there would be no particular reason for any of them to lead the service.
I'd hesitate to use "religious teacher" because religion encompasses different things in different religions. I consider myself Conservative. I would never look to a rabbi for advice on belief in god, prayer, afterlife, etc. I listen to his or her interpretation of texts (if he's good) and expect him to know a lot of history.
Michael, my Representative was a co sponsor, but I emailed her anyway, She sent me thank you back too.
The problem with the data is showing a causal link between education and pay. It may be that those who are apt to earn more (with or without an education) are also those who more frequently attend college. Remember what they say about educating an idiot...