I moved from AZ (to FL)in 2003 and am completely shocked at the median prices listed in the Republic article. Though the Ahwatukee Foothills are nice, most of the homes there are old (2o year's +), close together and have yards comprised solely of rocks. What further amazes me is the lack of proportionate paying jobs to warrent the prices. Of course I can say the same for my home state of FL, but aside from Naples/Ft Myers area it's not as crazy as AZ.
This is my first commment to the CR and I'm thankful to have found your blog. I live in Southern CA and make over 6 figures. This is said not boastfully but rather humbly as I'm in awe everyday when speaking with friends and associates regarding the near-million dollar homes they buy with their incomes being less than my own. How have they done it, I ask? As their ARMs and their interest-only loan payments increase with the principle now added/interest rates up, I see how they did it? They're in debt beyond reason and are now forced to sell their homes. (Well, that's not all true as some of them seek roommates to assist with their payments) However, with equity soon to be dimishing with the pending price declines, no equity will be found and foreclosure city is around the corner. Time for me to get out of self-destructive California.
SP
SP, a warm welcome to my blog! I live in OC and I'm also amazed. I'll probably be staying here - I like where I live - but I don't understand how people can afford to buy at these prices.
Thanks CR...I used to live in Dana Point and still converse with many in the OC. I always ask the question why they have an interest-only loan (since I know of NO ONE who's purchased a home with a fixed loan in OC over the last few years. And the response is almost always "because I couldn't afford a 30yr fixed monthly." When I counter with "what will you do when your principle kicks in", they respond "sell or refinance". Financial suicide!
Unless there is massive buying of RE this spring the supply/demand imbalance could get worse. Pricing lags as Thornberg states. Human psychology abhors cutting losses and instead wants to believe that pricing will return to where the seller wants it to be.
The questions are where will inventory of unsold properties be by late spring and will ARM resets and increased rates force more homeowners to attempt to refinance - what will the rate of change be for refinance activity; will distress sales become more pronounced to significantly increase inventory?
The biggest concern in my mind is the fate of financial institutions balance sheets as they have an incredible exposure to RE assets as a percent of total assets. Another is investor sentiment towards MBS. In a flight to higher marginal yield investors have gorged on MBS/ABS assets over the past 2 years. Any pullback would further pressure mortgage pricing. The real issue here has been unprecedented credit market growth that resulted in many asset markets including RE inflating. I have seen arguments for both acceleration and deceleration in credit growth rates.
Another problem for the RE market is that like any momentum driven market if it tips over it may not be easily arrested through intervention.
The Fed is currently pursuing a policy of increasing both the cost and quantity of money. When they stop raising rates and interest rate differentials to other currencies decline, the dollar is expected to crack. That may not reduce the trade deficit with China much as they have a quasi dollar peg but how would other international investors particularly non-economic actors react to deflating dollar portfolios. How much monetary inflation can the system sustain?
We could barely afford our house twenty years ago in San Diego on two engineer's incomes. Now hubby makes six figures and I get to relax, but I look at what people are paying for houses now and just think they are nuts. We could have moved up to a bigger house but why? This little house now goes for half a million - it's crazy, really.
The median prices quoted about Los Angeles are almost certainly extremely misleading. In my area both the high end and the low end have had drops in interest and in price for the same asset. But the low end has had a larger drop in volume - with the result that the median stays unchanged or even goes up.
I can't believe the asking price for these properties in San Diego County. What isn't funny is the amount of condo conversion projects approved by the city and county during the past two years. While renters are pushed into less desirable housing, investors are buying apartment complexes hoping to make a quick buck by converting them into condos.
The problem is that we now have a glut of inventory on the market and condo prices continue to spiral downward. Condos that once sold for $350,000 in my neighborhood linger on the MLS listings at $255,000 or less.
One large apartment complex in my neighborhood can't sell their units. Where's the first-time home buyers? I drive by there on a daily basis and I don't see a mad rush to purchase "The American Dream".
A 150-unit complex (approximatley) converted to condos last year, and as soon as the first phase was sold there were no less than two dozen "For Sale" signs staked on the front lawn. What do I see now? The same collection of signs, but most of them now say "For Rent" because the owners cannot unload them for a profit.
Some places in San Diego will have a gentle decrease in home prices in the future, but I really think there are some areas that will suffer some sort of crash.
BTW this is a great blog and you can count on me to visit often.
How long will the Chicoms be able to maintain their dollar peg when the market REALLY wants the dollar to freefall? I'm reminded somewhat 1992 when the Brits were trying to sustain the pound at a high peg compared to outher European currencies. Some people made BIG MONEY on the currency exchanges.
I moved from AZ (to FL)in 2003 and am completely shocked at the median prices listed in the Republic article. Though the Ahwatukee Foothills are nice, most of the homes there are old (2o year's +), close together and have yards comprised solely of rocks. What further amazes me is the lack of proportionate paying jobs to warrent the prices. Of course I can say the same for my home state of FL, but aside from Naples/Ft Myers area it's not as crazy as AZ.
This is my first commment to the CR and I'm thankful to have found your blog. I live in Southern CA and make over 6 figures. This is said not boastfully but rather humbly as I'm in awe everyday when speaking with friends and associates regarding the near-million dollar homes they buy with their incomes being less than my own. How have they done it, I ask? As their ARMs and their interest-only loan payments increase with the principle now added/interest rates up, I see how they did it? They're in debt beyond reason and are now forced to sell their homes. (Well, that's not all true as some of them seek roommates to assist with their payments) However, with equity soon to be dimishing with the pending price declines, no equity will be found and foreclosure city is around the corner. Time for me to get out of self-destructive California.
SP
SP, a warm welcome to my blog! I live in OC and I'm also amazed. I'll probably be staying here - I like where I live - but I don't understand how people can afford to buy at these prices.
Best Wishes.
Thanks CR...I used to live in Dana Point and still converse with many in the OC. I always ask the question why they have an interest-only loan (since I know of NO ONE who's purchased a home with a fixed loan in OC over the last few years. And the response is almost always "because I couldn't afford a 30yr fixed monthly." When I counter with "what will you do when your principle kicks in", they respond "sell or refinance". Financial suicide!
Unless there is massive buying of RE this spring the supply/demand imbalance could get worse. Pricing lags as Thornberg states. Human psychology abhors cutting losses and instead wants to believe that pricing will return to where the seller wants it to be.
The questions are where will inventory of unsold properties be by late spring and will ARM resets and increased rates force more homeowners to attempt to refinance - what will the rate of change be for refinance activity; will distress sales become more pronounced to significantly increase inventory?
The biggest concern in my mind is the fate of financial institutions balance sheets as they have an incredible exposure to RE assets as a percent of total assets. Another is investor sentiment towards MBS. In a flight to higher marginal yield investors have gorged on MBS/ABS assets over the past 2 years. Any pullback would further pressure mortgage pricing. The real issue here has been unprecedented credit market growth that resulted in many asset markets including RE inflating. I have seen arguments for both acceleration and deceleration in credit growth rates.
Another problem for the RE market is that like any momentum driven market if it tips over it may not be easily arrested through intervention.
The Fed is currently pursuing a policy of increasing both the cost and quantity of money. When they stop raising rates and interest rate differentials to other currencies decline, the dollar is expected to crack. That may not reduce the trade deficit with China much as they have a quasi dollar peg but how would other international investors particularly non-economic actors react to deflating dollar portfolios. How much monetary inflation can the system sustain?
We could barely afford our house twenty years ago in San Diego on two engineer's incomes. Now hubby makes six figures and I get to relax, but I look at what people are paying for houses now and just think they are nuts. We could have moved up to a bigger house but why? This little house now goes for half a million - it's crazy, really.
The median prices quoted about Los Angeles are almost certainly extremely misleading. In my area both the high end and the low end have had drops in interest and in price for the same asset. But the low end has had a larger drop in volume - with the result that the median stays unchanged or even goes up.
SD's historically normal appreciation of 6% continues in the face of almost two years of declining volume. Would that be a "soft landing"?
L.A. is still smoking, but will soon be cooling off. The Bubblehead's anthem used to be "As goes SD so goes L.A.".
It's always seemed to me if yer gonna dump money in Dry Heaves, AZ, you betta have a sense a Yuma.
Interesting article about the IE. Chino Hills has a higher median income than BH.
Inland Empire: Where the L.A. Dream Landed - Los Angeles Times
This site looks like a good place to track the AZ market, which experienced the nations highest appreciation last year of 34.9%.
God's Waiting Room got considerably more expensive.
Arizona Home Price History - Graphs - 2003 to Present
I can't believe the asking price for these properties in San Diego County. What isn't funny is the amount of condo conversion projects approved by the city and county during the past two years. While renters are pushed into less desirable housing, investors are buying apartment complexes hoping to make a quick buck by converting them into condos.
The problem is that we now have a glut of inventory on the market and condo prices continue to spiral downward. Condos that once sold for $350,000 in my neighborhood linger on the MLS listings at $255,000 or less.
One large apartment complex in my neighborhood can't sell their units. Where's the first-time home buyers? I drive by there on a daily basis and I don't see a mad rush to purchase "The American Dream".
A 150-unit complex (approximatley) converted to condos last year, and as soon as the first phase was sold there were no less than two dozen "For Sale" signs staked on the front lawn. What do I see now? The same collection of signs, but most of them now say "For Rent" because the owners cannot unload them for a profit.
Some places in San Diego will have a gentle decrease in home prices in the future, but I really think there are some areas that will suffer some sort of crash.
BTW this is a great blog and you can count on me to visit often.
How long will the Chicoms be able to maintain their dollar peg when the market REALLY wants the dollar to freefall? I'm reminded somewhat 1992 when the Brits were trying to sustain the pound at a high peg compared to outher European currencies. Some people made BIG MONEY on the currency exchanges.