The Jenga economy. We keep finding new and increasingly convoluted pieces to shuffle around in order to build up the tower, but we're just weakening the whole thing.
I think there is a psychological element - if your house is going down in market value, you are probably not motivated to do a big remodel, but you probably will still do some repairs... That's what is going on here at the Shadow bunker...
" Home Depot Inc. followed rival Lowe's Cos. in reporting better than expected earnings Tuesday, as the country's two biggest home-improvement retailers hang on amid a drop in demand for their most expensive goods.
Reflecting that pressure, Home Depot's sales fell, and its gross margin contracted. The company did, however, affirm the financial outlook it announced in February - not as encouraging as Lowe's, which raised its guidance, but an indication conditions may not be worse than expected."
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repeat:
"The company did, however, affirm the financial outlook it announced in February."
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until CEO blake woke up the other side of his face:
"Mr Blake said that a slowing foreclosure rate in California during the fourth quarter had led to an improvement in regional store sales but the trend had then reversed as foreclosure rates rose again in the first quarter."
At least the HD store is a much nicer place to visit post Nardelli - I suppose he will get another $300 million for wrecking Chyrsler... any bets where he will pop up next? Is there anything left to wreck?
EHP: I'm fascinated by your #'s from the last thread.
Am I interpreting this right: The correlation of the dollar flows between US Equity ETFs and US Equity Mutual Funds is -0.05 (essentially uncorrelated)?
I'm starting a new TV reality series called American Bando!
We just finished filming the first season. Really awesome stuff. The main character is a dude named Dread. He and his band of squatters lay claim to hundreds of abandoned homes on the basis that possession is 9/10ths of the law.
In the final episode, the evil banks and Dread have a legal showdown in front of the Supreme Court. I won't spoil the ending, but I will say that the final episode is entitled Throwdown, the Dread Squat Decession.
Video shot on the 5pm news from a CA station - polling places empty... if the taxes pass, nonvoters can take the blame... Amazing that there are not long lines to vote NO...
Once again Obama's #1 economic mission ( in collusion with the 19 too big to fail banks that got trillions in TARP ) is to pump up great chunks of the Big Shitpile that's essentially worthless unless the peak real estate values of the bubble can be miraculously restored.
But their con job is starting to show structural holes
My polling place in California, in the downtown of a mid size town, at 10 am, had five poll workers and exactly one voter: me. I was there for about ten minutes chatting. No one else arrived or was walking towards the polls while I was there.
It is the "yes" people that should be worried ...
Absetee ballots are notoriously from older and conservative voters ...
I mailed in my NO votes (except for the limiting pay one.. I voted yes there) over a week ago!
I will never go to a polling place again. they're such a pain to deal with when you can just mail in your vote.
fun times for orange county, ca: OC NODs vs FCs
the SBxxxx law for CA got signed just in time to stop a large wave of foreclosures. now 1 of 2 things has happened:
1. the loan mods are WILDLY successful
2. there's a huge amount of REOs in waiting just behind the gates
If I were the Governator I would have had copies of the Grapes of Wrath in every polling place.
"If I wanted to destroy a nation," he wrote in 1966, "I would give it too much and I would have it on its knees, miserable, greedy and sick."
- John Steinbeck
I was the only person to sign in on the voter rolls, and i saw about 6 pages. I actually voted yes on the one to limit pay raises for politicians, my first yes ever. Until castration (of the remaining politicians with balls) is voted on.
re: My post last thread
sm_landlord, JP; There is some interesting stuff, but none of it too strong. I wouldn't make too much from a lack of correlation though. You both read it right (well one clarification, the correlation between US equity ETF and US equity mutual funds is negative 0.0565)
I would say that's because the mutual fund crowd has a lag time between wanting to sell, and the sale happens. As such, they tend to pile on the most when the market is on a downswing, and most of their money is withdrawn when the market is at its lowest point. Also with the equity ETF, keep in mind there were big inflows last year and very tiny flows this year. That would break the correlation and covariance. It's hard to say what the data indicates when it's beneath the noise floor.
In general though, Equity ETFs have flow directions inverse to Mutual Funds and coincident with the market direction.The latter we should expect by their NAV model that reinforces the direction of the market, and what is going up/down would gain/lose funds.
Finally I would add that there are other large players that move the market. It does look as if an unnamed force is causing mutual funds to sell the most at the lows, and buy the most at the highs. (The 0.44710 correlation between SP500 wk over wk % change and 'All Equity Mutual Funds', with the SP500 leading)
disclaimer: TrimTabs All Equity Mutual Funds isn't the result of a direct summation from the other numbers, I'm not sure the explanation behind that discrepancy, but it is why I included it as its own series
At least the HD store is a much nicer place to visit post Nardelli - I suppose he will get another $300 million for wrecking Chyrsler... any bets where he will pop up next? Is there anything left to wreck?
i am proud to have voted though i'm 100% sure voting is the reason I have a jury summons.
I voted no on 1a-1e and yes on 1f. So did my coworkers.
My justification, i'm a software engineer. We have to stay on the cutting edge, work a lot just to maybe keep our jobs away from indians and get our 0 retirement plan.
I'm pretty ok with police, firefighter and teachers making way less money considering they dont have to run that rat race. Its not like they'd be able to get jobs doing anything else for close to their total compensation now. So their ridiculous "save the teachers police, firefighter" ads are terrible.
I guess if I worked for Home Depot, especially in management, I might be worried. Then again, these were the people who whenever they opened a new store would send the competitors manager (Hechingers) a dozen black roses
Chase bought an ad for California banking on CR?
If we all click on it does Bill get loadsa money?
Can't think of better ways for Chase's loot to be spent.
california is going to be another trend setter for many more broke states to come knocking at Obama's door and his bought and paid for economic team who shot their collective wads with trillions for the 19 too big to fail banks are going to regret it
A significant percentage of those sales are to investors
Those investors often need to make repairs/improvements before they rent the place
Hence, additional Home Depot demand from this source
This is not to say that Home Depot is sitting pretty. They've got plenty of pressure from reduced expenditures from home builders and cash strapped/anxious homeowners. But the one bright spot seems to be these investors "snapping up bargains" (who I believe might just be buying a midge too early, but then again real estate only goes up, they sure aren't making any more AAA Bakersfield land, rich foreigners love to rent recently foreclosed shitboxes, this town is different -- it holds its value . . . .)
Coach Blake is telling the team to not go for the head fake. I have my doubts that the players are disciplined enough to sit on the head fake and watch the hips.
WSJ: Bank of America Corp. has raised roughly $13 billion after selling 1.25 billion shares of common stock, according to people familiar with the situation.
The Treasury Department in early June expects to announce the names of the initial round of money manager finalists qualified to buy toxic securities from financial institutions under the agency’s Public-Private Investment Program, according to a statement on Treasury’s website.
nades, re: last thread,
The net flow of funds since July 2 2008 are: ($ millions)
All Equity Mutual Funds -331135
US Equity Mutual Funds -171335
Non-US Equity Mutual Funds -137375
Bond Mutual Funds -105172
Hybrid Mutual Funds -45929
US Equity ETFs 90081
Non-US Equity ETFs 22496
Not the biggest players, but aren't they a bedrock of support? A constant source of fresh money
One of the issues that concerns me about any retailer is what should have concerned anyone that invested in Zayre's, E.J. Korvette's, or Hechinger's. All of those companies are out of business. Did you know that Hechinger's sent a bouquet of black roses to Home Depot when they opened their first store in the Washington, D.C. area?
The good news is that since Japan has no inflation to speak of, you don't need to use any deflators to get the real picture. Other than that, it's all bad news in the land of the setting sun.
15%! That's GD stuff. They are going to have some great stories with which to lecture their grand kids. Now listen young man, when they say green shoots....
not sure what you mean EHP. yer data set there indicates that funds flow out of Mutual funds and into Equity ETF's....running your own book from the little guys persepctive, whose paying attention?
I would also say that I actually own my flavor of the index that old JBR posted in a link to sudden debt.
15%! That's GD stuff. They are going to have some great stories with which to lecture their grand kids. Now listen young man, when they say green shoots....
At the rate they are reproducing they will be able to gather every Japanese grandkid up and check them into a 3 bedroom house for that story time.
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As a case in point on the effect of the moratoriums in a suburb of Sacramento: In 95691, the average "showing" on FidelityASAP was in the 30-40 range from 3Q08 to 1Q09. I checked again yesterday and it was in the 80s. Now this may also be because of the mix in 95691 but 95605 has declined a little (10% to 15% ish) from its 2007-2008 trend line but 95691 has more then taken up the slack.
However, regardless of the list price, multiple bids, neighborhood, or hype by local RE industry, the prices close almost uniformly below last asking or just at asking. I don't think the price below perceived market value tactic is working out as note holders had hoped.
And on a cheerful note, a home purchased in late 2008 as a rental just outside Davis is back listed as a REO now. Were non-owner occupied properties excused from the moratoriums?
1 currency now -yogi (profile) wrote on Tue, 5/19/2009 - 5:08 pm
I'll let the police and fire department know how you feel.[in response to a union basher]
"Oh there's a persuasive argument for unions -- the prison industry."
Sorry Byz but if that's sarcasm [doesn't have to be read that way] I will not let it slide. A smart writer like you ought to be able to come up with dozens of reasons why collective bargaining is particularly appropriate for municipal fire and police work. Shall we offer bonuses for the most arrests? The most convictions? Highest bidder gets fire protection? Private armed security forces usually work out well? No benefit at all to morale from union "brotherhood"? Efficient for the city to individually negotiate thousands of contracts? What if wages are set too low? It's not unions that corrupt police forces, it's power. You don't want to live in a city in which the police feel really underpaid. Either way they have power. Much easier for private units to "strike" than an entire union.
Once again, you're ignoring a thousand-year history of class conflict and division of labor which underlies every aspect of the system that has evolved, which is by no means perfect. As with Glass-Steagall, the notion that unions have somehow outlived their purpose invites disaster.
"Now that the foreclosure moratorium is over, the pace of foreclosures is picking up again. And, according to Mr. Blake, this will probably impact the home improvement companies."
Presumably for the better, as either the buyer or seller will fix up the place? Not to mention that this month must be prime listing season, for the over the summer movers, to get things ship shape.. And this should be a record setting listing season with a years worth of inventory and the shadow inventory.
Zillow says 3,487,226 homes for sale, does anyone have any historical information?
Wow, I expected voter turn-out to be low given the fact that it was a special election, but I didn't expect it this low from what I am reading here and at other sites. This is what is depressing me...I feel like we are at an important point, don't exactly know how to change this train so to speak, but how much of the country under 40 is actually paying attention? Are they even going to notice when the jobs keep disappearing....
Here's what's she's asking me....Are US funds flowing out? Is Money flowing to the emerging in fear of the dollar? should I hedge with long Euro? Are bonds really in bear market?
Mrs. Landlord and I walked to the Montana library and voted in person. There was one person coming out when we arrived, no one inside while we voted, one person came in while we were leaving. Four very bored looking poll workers were manning the desks.
Very unlike last fall's election.
BTW, you can vote by mail in Kalifornia, or you can go to the polls.
I read somewhere that a lot of people voted by mail this time, but we'll see when the number come out.
I don't think that the outcome is in question.
Dont worry the japanese will just print more debt at 0% and enact another stimulus package until a faint heartbeat is heard. they have applied the paddles so much the patient probably begging for a waterboarding
I know a person who is a multi-deca-millionaire... He works for a sheriff's dept part time just for kicks - gets a sheriff's car to drive around and park at his house, gets to carry his K9 trained dog with him... He's probably a good sheriff but he certainly does not do it for the $$...
I would like to believe they know the roof is on fire, I can't honestly tell anymore though. I think the young ones may have more faith in the Presidential messiah than our more seasoned citizens.
At my daughters high school the teachers love to bitch to the students about how much their pension fund has dropped. Wait until they can bitch about how life was when they had one.
"Most of the "Red" states out there are Federal Welfare states ... they get way more than they send to
Washington DC"
Those VA plantation founders knew what they were doing. 2 white male votes in the Senate plus their property gets some bonus Representation (without the vote). I guess they figured slaves didn't pay Taxation.
"I guess they figured slaves didn't pay Taxation."
I wonder of the slave owners paid property tax on the slaves?
If you drive a car,
I'll tax the street.
If you try to sit,
I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold,
I'll tax the heat.
If you take a walk,
I'll tax your feet.
Mrs Watanabe has shorted Yen in favor of another flavor.
This fabled trade is the culmination of a nation of mud huts....guess what folks....yer not bettin against the mud-huts anymore..the US is bulldozing the mudhuts...
those rich guys in L.A. wanted to own EVERYTHING so I said, okay, go ahead.
And then I left.
It's sad that the U.S. turned out this way but I'm not wasting any more of my life trying to fix it with tons of my tax money and effort. Far easier to take a part-time job and watching tv.
I didn't see specifics in the story I linked, but I'm guessing that's physical turnout.
Compared to something like 27% in the last state election at the same time.
I think the vast majority of the sheriff's calls are domestic violence in his area... probably some meth labs, whatever.... it's a pretty low income area...
Mrs W is looking terse. GDP serving was all baked in, nikki is getting all limp ramen on it, the neighbours are squabbling about who lost the checkbook, and she's lost the recipe for her signature uridashi souffle.
No, counterpointer. Mrs Watanabe is buying blueberries online and spanking grandchildren while trying to figure out how to buy GE through a Keiretsu, but its difficult with Mitsui.
"Obama Says New Auto Standards a ‘Harbinger’ of Change"
Not interested in the story as much as the choice of words....I hope Moses goes up the mountain soon and brings back news. All this talk of change while being lost in the desert, is wearing thin. Hope the hope doesn't take 40 years to kick in. I am in a dismal mood tonight. Forgive me.
"most under forty know the roof is on fire but feel they have no stake is the success of the system so..."
My cousin worked for Unisys for 30 years, right out of college (Sperry, Univac). Hardware, software, not "management'. Built a house next door to an Amish farm in '06, within what he thought were his means. Just got the ax. No idea what kind of pension. The house is underwater but he is the person most likely to pay the most to the bank for it with his savings and small future earnings. He built the house for his family. I suspect there are many situations like that.
The solution is perfectly obvious. He respects the Amish and they respect him. They wouldn't outbid him (or his cousin) even if they could.
O/T: the original reason why I brought up the TrimTabs data was to see how much consumer cash was sitting on the sidelines. Since July 2008 $331.135 bn has been withdrawn from US Equity Mutual Funds.
That's less than what was withdrawn from HELOCs, so I'm going to guess not so much of it is dry powder ready to jump back in. Still, there is the possibility and joe6pack investors haven't jumped back in yet. Most likely they won't bite though, what with the constant reminder of their own finances (furloughs, layoffs, declining net worth.... bigger stories like the government, banks, automakers, states all having financing troubles)
If the Fed has to cut its budget, watch out for rural/highway policing. They got big boosts when the DHS was created and run hugely expensive drills annually, for no good reason. Podunkville does not need a helicopter and 2 armored personnel carriers, nor do they need to run huge drills where everyone is on overtime and where the fuel/equipment bills are more than the annual tax revenue from their region. Why do cities of 15,000 need a SWAT divison? honestly
During GD1 when the banks would foreclose farms they had so called 'penny auctions' - when the auction was opened someone would bid one penny and then no one else would bid... or the crowd would chant "No Sale" until the auctioneer left... That was in the area where I grew up... Things were different then...
All those "investors" buying gutted and burst-pipe foreclosures (or those needing just new paint and carpet) are friends to Home Depot and Lowes. I wonder what percent of their current business comes from that sector. And how sales in the big foreclosure states compare to the rest.
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conditions are good for this statement.
IPO's on the emerging have hot money inflows with a decoupling thesis inside said hot money inflow. A currency debasement is the fastest way to send your market higher.....why are we always fascinated by allowing the Yuan to rise faster?
The real question is.. can the system last for 5 years?
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- The United States may emerge from recession as early as this summer, though further job losses mean a "depressed economy" could last as long as five years, Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman said Tuesday.
"I think it's quite possible that industrial production in the United States and perhaps in the world as a whole will bottom out sometime in the next few months, that GDP growth in the United States will be positive in the second half of the year and maybe a little bit later than that in Europe," Krugman told a global financial conference in Seoul.
Banks are using a little-known tactic to help pay bonuses, deferred pay and pensions they owe executives: They're holding life-insurance policies on hundreds of thousands of their workers, with themselves as the beneficiaries.
Banks took out much of this life insurance during the mortgage bubble, when executives' pay -- and the IOUs for their deferred compensation -- surged, and banking regulators affirmed the use of life insurance as a way to finance executive pay and benefits.
Then Frank really did mistitle his book, didn't he? It shoud have been "Whats the Matter with California".
In any case, is it in my interest to vote myself some of Bill Gates' loot?
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Bill Gates wouldn't be a multi billionaire without the economy. The economy couldn't function
without government ... Bill Gates owes society and has said as much ... so has Buffet ...
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The people I really have problems with, like banksters, are they take over companies built over
years and years then believe they are owed tens, hundreds of millions for a few years work ...
Hey Krugie, thanks. I think it's "quite possible" that skittle-shatting unicorns will caper and cavort across my lawn tomorrow followed by flocks of tinkerbells spreading magic dust across my perfect neighbourhood of castles in the sky. I also think it's "quite possible" I have either exceeded the stated dose, or not taken it.
"he [volunteer] responds to dispatch when on duty just like everyone else..."
Of course, Joe Kennedy's firstborn got shot down volunteering for a dangerous mission. Could work fine in individual situations. Maybe Vikram Pandit IS worth that dollar salary. What if the sheriff decides the life of a deca-millionaire is more appealing after all, just when the blackout hits?
Shadow I lack the time at the moment, but search terms like haloscan, "1 currency soon-yogi", "digital superbasket of liquid intangibles". I know I put a few together in November, and there were some helpful discussions going back a year. That killjoy Broward usually chimed in that my formula lacked the requisite gunpowder. But when he's in love he's quite the Buddhist.
Sound like a joke but it's a real quote...
“We see TARP as an insurance policy,” he said. “That when all this stuff is finally over, no matter how bad it gets, we’re going to be one of the remaining banks.”
- John C. Hope III, Whitney National Bank chairman Whitney Holding Corporation - Management
Americans taxpayers pay the tab for this huge game of Ponzi Monopoly.
Here's what bugs me about Krugman and his ilk. They rail against the financial free loaders, while simultaneously demanding that the Government increase its spending and CONtrol over the eCONomy.
WTF! Can't Krugman see that the financial freeloaders make a good part of their living grifting off of all the government spending and regulation. Seriously, Congress accepts millions in CONtributions from banks and then lets the banks write the legislation and Krugman expects a different outcome!
Ivy league schools do strange things to your ability to think objectively.
//WTF! Can't Krugman see that the financial freeloaders make a good part of their living grifting off of all the government spending and regulation. Seriously, Congress accepts millions in CONtributions from banks and then lets the banks write the legislation and Krugman expects a different outcome!//
though i wanted to, i never took krug seriously for being from the new youk times. in fact, i never read the new york times, even all the NYT links posted here. i have no account nor will i ever.
why bother? the paper is transparently contrived by the party organ...
The Japanese economy is -18%; Russian is -8%; Both are heavily oriented into Exports. It's a good indicator that everyone who believes that the US consumption will bounce back this summer to the 2004 - 08 levels are a bit delusional. Even more striking is slow down in consumption despite government efforts to pump credit, etc.
Not that we will stop consuming, but hopefully we will stop excessive consuming at the expense of future generations.
"In any case, is it in my interest to vote myself some of Bill Gates' loot?"
I suppose it depends on the likelihood that you'll starve to death before the invisible hand motivates Bill Gates to "invent" some new profit maker that some one else gave away for free.
.........Also Krugman said yesterday at Hyatt Regency , Yongsan ....if the global recovery is too fast , there will be a worst great depression in 2018.......this fella is nothing but a joke.......everybody at the conference was laughing when he said this........
The Obama administration is bent on becoming a major player in -- if not taking over entirely -- America's health-care, automobile and banking industries. Before that happens, it might be a good idea to look at the government's track record in running economic enterprises. It is terrible.
In 1913, for instance, thinking it was being overcharged by the steel companies for armor plate for warships, the federal government decided to build its own plant. It estimated that a plant with a 10,000-ton annual capacity could produce armor plate for only 70% of what the steel companies charged.
When the plant was finally finished, however -- three years after World War I had ended -- it was millions over budget and able to produce armor plate only at twice what the steel companies charged. It produced one batch and then shut down, never to reopen.
With all the talk of swine flu, universal health insurance and computerizing medical records, you'd think epidemics and inadequate medical care were the major threats to public health in this country. But an important new study on preventable deaths will quickly disabuse you of that notion. Read the report and you'll likely conclude that the biggest premature killer of Americans is . . . Americans.
Too many of us appear to be bent on slow-motion suicide. Consider smoking; if we could get every American to stop, we'd save 467,000 lives annually. Solving high blood pressure (much of it arising from unhealthy lifestyles) would save 395,000. And if we could get everyone to slim down to an appropriate body weight, we'd save 216,000 lives.
You can't aggregate all the lives that would be saved from the 12 lifestyle factors covered by the study because of some serious overlap; obesity, for instance, causes a lot of hypertension. But Dr. Majid Ezzati, a Harvard School of Public Health professor who co-authored the report, estimates that if you net out the double-counting, somewhat more than a million people die annually from the 12 behavioral risk factors, which include the obvious (immoderate alcohol consumption) and the less so (eating too little fish, which provides omega-3 fatty acids).
"I read recently the statement by one business economist that if there is any hero in this mess we find ourselves in, it is Ben Bernanke. As far as I can judge, he has since last October managed the response to the crisis competently--perhaps more competently than his predecessor Greenspan would have done, or other possible replacements for Bernanke. But he is like a general who having been defeated in battle because of his errors manages the retreat of his army competently. He does not thereby escape blame for the defeat, and should not be permitted to shift blame to the soldiers under his command who gave way under attack." - Posner
I'm not a gold bug by any means. But imo, throughout history, gold has done a better job of promoting real growth and protecting against financial or government over-reach than any other system.
Deflation is only bad for those that live off of levererage, namely banks. Prudence and innovation thrive in deflation. Deflation is the natural economic state.
Bank of America just pushed 13.5 bl in common stock.
"Bank of America faces potential losses for 2009 and 2010 of $136.6 billion, or 10 percent of loans, under the Fed’s adverse scenario for the U.S. economy. The tests project an economic outlook much gloomier than most experts, Lewis said on a May 7 conference call. <>"
haha
(even better: )
Goldman Sachs this week raised Bank of America to “buy” from “neutral,”
Throughout history, we also had slavery and poor sanitation.. why not turn back the clock on everything? And was there ever a large middle class in any country before the 1940s.. why not?
//I'm not a gold by any means. But imo, throughout history, gold has done a better job of promoting real growth and protecting against financial or government over-reach than any other system.//
"The Japanese economy is -18%; Russian is -8%; Both are heavily oriented into Exports. It's a good indicator that everyone who believes that the US consumption will bounce back this summer to the 2004 - 08 levels are a bit delusional."
Wait, they're waiting for US to lead them out? I do not think it is going to work that way anymore.
Yalt, there are otherwise intelligent people here who still have some bizarre notions about "natural free markets" pricing property independently of combat pay, my apologies.
I'm not a gold bug by any means. But imo, throughout history, gold has done a better job of promoting real growth and protecting against financial or government over-reach than any other system.
Deflation is only bad for those that live off of levererage, namely banks. Prudence and innovation thrive in deflation. Deflation is the natural economic state.
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You are exactly right ... except that early on, first, goldsmiths then bankers started leveraging the value of gold through the use of certificates ...
Fractional Reserve Banking ...
This was condoned by the colonial powers to underwrite the waging of war and the pillage of their colonies. Unbeknownst to
the sovereigns they could have had their own currencies but they were out maneuvered by the bankers ...
The Tally Stick system worked in England for centuries but when bankers laid claim to the creation of currency and credit
they made it useless for commerce ... to monopolize their scheme.
They did the same for Colonial currency ... as they saw it a threat to their monopoly ...
You miss the point entirely. Living standards improve over time as a result of real growth. By definition, real growth does not come from inflation. Inflation allows the non-productive to capture the real growth. See the problem? It's not just the growth, it's the distribution.
Okay, Yalt, you got my attention. Would like to know more about that game.
I'd really rather wash my hands of the whole thing, but now that I've mentioned it (and I suppose it's true that the sport seems to be targeting the kind of sophisticated audience that posts at CR) it'd be wrong to withhold information--you can google "Chicago Bliss" and you'll probably find out more than i want to know about it.
How could people afford to buy the fruits of "real growth".. Does a 50 foot yacht bought with ponzi money function any worser than the same yacht bought with "real money". How can you use "real" and money" together?
Living standards improve over time as a result of real growth.
OT, but giving the Fed more power over the 19, and stripping the SEC does not sound good to me...
May 19 (Bloomberg) -- The Obama administration may call for stripping the Securities and Exchange Commission of some of its duties under a regulatory reorganization that could be unveiled as soon as next week, people familiar with the matter said.
The proposal, still being drafted, is likely to give the Federal Reserve more power to supervise financial firms deemed too big to fail. The Fed may inherit some SEC functions, with others going to other agencies, the people said. On the table: giving oversight of mutual funds to a bank regulator or a new agency to police consumer-finance products, two people said.
Well, Amish communalism and mutual respect has replaced environmentalism as the number one terrorist threat to our nation. And like strict Muslims they refuse to borrow or lend at interest, and if THAT isn't a threat to our way of life I don't know what is.
I don't buy the sovereign currency theory or the colonial script meme. Governments around the world and throughout history are corrupt. Just look at our CONgress. No way would I want that pack of self servinng dingbats managing credit and the mmoney supply. I would rather have private credit with strict leverage limits. Gold backing has merit imo. It's not perfect, but it's better than the alternatives.
"The Japanese yen has strengthened since the [GDP] release as the number came in better than expected which is leading to speculation that the worst of the economic downturn may be over. Since the Asian session began, the yen has traded in a 30 pip range and is currently flat."
Does growth not require increased consumption.. and gold does not grow at the same rate as technology and even populations. So what allows people to buy more?
But bankers have also been corrupt throughout history.. and there were just as many ponzi schemes and depressions in those days..
//No way would I want that pack of self servinng dingbats managing credit and the mmoney supply. I would rather have private credit with strict leverage limits. Gold backing has merit imo. It's not perfect, but it's better than the alternatives.//
. . . you can google "Chicago Bliss" and you'll probably find out more than i want to know about it.
Thanks, Yalt, I may do that. As a variation on mud-wrestling, we need a new hook to keep the club full.
BTW, did you know that really isn't mud they use? I didn't.
(I guess this cheap cabernet isn't bad after all.)
Okay, really seriously, have you noticed how the combined mind-power and experience of CR's commenters has yet to change the world? It just keeps on turnin' at its own rate despite all the calls here for a dose of sanity.
mmckinl,
I don't buy the sovereign currency theory or the colonial script meme. Governments around the world and throughout history are corrupt. Just look at our CONgress. No way would I want that pack of self servinng dingbats managing credit and the mmoney supply. I would rather have private credit with strict leverage limits. Gold backing has merit imo. It's not perfect, but it's better than the alternatives.
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The you have been indoctrinated into the false analogies promulgated by the elites ...
Ben Franklin designed the colonial fiat currency for Pennsylvania and it worked well for 40 years ...
Too well for the Bank of England ... they prohibited it ... and The Revolution was born ...
//For every 50 ft yacht bought with ponzi money, there are 10,000 or more that were robbed of 3% of their purchasing power over that years production.//
"gold has done a better job of promoting real growth and protecting against financial or government over-reach than any other system.//"
Except pirates take it and melt it. What got "us" out of GD1 was in large part confiscation of inefficiently balanced wealth (tax hike and gold grab) and forced rationing of commodities (heavy socialism). War destroys capital and labor.
The hard currency must be openly traceable (transparent) or savings will be robbed by pirate printers.
"It just keeps on turnin' at its own rate despite all the calls here for a dose of sanity."
It's a big world, and a hard to find blog. If some of those 297 guests hold off on buying the green shoots, I'll feel fine about it.
Bloggers clued me in enough, to switch to treasuries before the worst of the downturn, although it was much later before I found CR. Plush you had that whole Haloscan thing.
Bill Gates wouldn't be a multi billionaire without the economy.
And the economy wouldn't have undertaken 20 years of unsustainable exponential growth without Bill Gates 1990 contribution of Excel 3's 3D charts, later ubiquitous, allowing businesses large and small to discern the stairstep annual rewards of increased investment and credit expansion. Gates GIGO charts.
Of course not. I never said it was. Just the opposite, I was speaking of real growth. I was also differentiating between real growth and nominal growth.
"Socialism and communism promised stability and guarantees. The results were not as promised. "
Angry saver, if the British government had commissioned a Karl Marx to write "The Wealth of Nations" instead of Adam Smith, you might have written this the other way around.
mmckinl,
I always ask such people one simple question.
Does growth not require increased consumption.. and gold does not grow at the same rate as technology and even populations. So what allows people to buy more?
1st
I'm buying on this good news.
Wow, I even read the story.
No oinking pig either.
but so much better than expected by some random buttplug
heard this on the radio, NPR, today: investment property
I nominate this as the newest oxymoron.
The Jenga economy. We keep finding new and increasingly convoluted pieces to shuffle around in order to build up the tower, but we're just weakening the whole thing.
I think there is a psychological element - if your house is going down in market value, you are probably not motivated to do a big remodel, but you probably will still do some repairs... That's what is going on here at the Shadow bunker...
Frank Blake wants the terrorists to win. /snark
no premature joculation from home depot?
why, didn't they get the script?
You'd think with all the recently unemployed people with so much time on their hands they'd want to fix up the house, but no...
I think they are trying to decrease the percentage of houses in foreclosure by building more houses.
Wouldn't trashed out foreclosures be good for HD?
Let's see ...
Do I throw $10,000 into the kitchen ...
When my Credit Card Rate just doubled ...
And my limit just halved ...
Once we're done saving the home despots of wall street the fleecing of main street will resume.
We just have to get credit flowing or else homes will become affordable again. The banks can't afford deflation.
Another genius born after the due date. He should have read CR!
here's the script:
" Home Depot Inc. followed rival Lowe's Cos. in reporting better than expected earnings Tuesday, as the country's two biggest home-improvement retailers hang on amid a drop in demand for their most expensive goods.
Reflecting that pressure, Home Depot's sales fell, and its gross margin contracted. The company did, however, affirm the financial outlook it announced in February - not as encouraging as Lowe's, which raised its guidance, but an indication conditions may not be worse than expected."
Home Depot Wary as Sales Fall - WSJ.com
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repeat:
"The company did, however, affirm the financial outlook it announced in February."
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until CEO blake woke up the other side of his face:
"Mr Blake said that a slowing foreclosure rate in California during the fourth quarter had led to an improvement in regional store sales but the trend had then reversed as foreclosure rates rose again in the first quarter."
Stock price should rocket away.
C
At least the HD store is a much nicer place to visit post Nardelli - I suppose he will get another $300 million for wrecking Chyrsler... any bets where he will pop up next? Is there anything left to wreck?
EHP: I'm fascinated by your #'s from the last thread.
Am I interpreting this right: The correlation of the dollar flows between US Equity ETFs and US Equity Mutual Funds is -0.05 (essentially uncorrelated)?
Dr Munch,
Wouldn't trashed out foreclosures be good for HD?
it would be great on wide screen with terminator like action storyline...
I'm starting a new TV reality series called American Bando!
We just finished filming the first season. Really awesome stuff. The main character is a dude named Dread. He and his band of squatters lay claim to hundreds of abandoned homes on the basis that possession is 9/10ths of the law.
In the final episode, the evil banks and Dread have a legal showdown in front of the Supreme Court. I won't spoil the ending, but I will say that the final episode is entitled Throwdown, the Dread Squat Decession.
@mp: I think you should write up your ancestor's gov't default story and publish it.
Funny, and kinda on topic...
Sudden Debt: The Oh, Very Funny Index (tm)
Video shot on the 5pm news from a CA station - polling places empty... if the taxes pass, nonvoters can take the blame... Amazing that there are not long lines to vote NO...
New tv series - Flip this Foreclosure (again)...
"Amazing that there are not long lines to vote NO..."
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It is the "yes" people that should be worried ...
Absetee ballots are notoriously from older and conservative voters ...
Once again Obama's #1 economic mission ( in collusion with the 19 too big to fail banks that got trillions in TARP ) is to pump up great chunks of the Big Shitpile that's essentially worthless unless the peak real estate values of the bubble can be miraculously restored.
But their con job is starting to show structural holes
Home Depot sells the stuff for house demolition, right?
New tv series - Flip this Foreclosure (again)...
On another channel, 'Bulldoze House'.
My polling place in California, in the downtown of a mid size town, at 10 am, had five poll workers and exactly one voter: me. I was there for about ten minutes chatting. No one else arrived or was walking towards the polls while I was there.
It is the "yes" people that should be worried ...
Absetee ballots are notoriously from older and conservative voters ...
I mailed in my NO votes (except for the limiting pay one.. I voted yes there) over a week ago!
I will never go to a polling place again. they're such a pain to deal with when you can just mail in your vote.
3 or 4 folks came through my LA 'hood polling place while I was there...
Someone here said there would be a 60% turnout ...
I don't see 40% ...
This is a special election. They never get high turnout ...
My polling place in California, in the downtown of a mid size town, at 10 am, had five poll workers and exactly one voter: me.
Some of the most democratic procedures for the populace that cares least.
fun times for orange county, ca: OC NODs vs FCs
the SBxxxx law for CA got signed just in time to stop a large wave of foreclosures. now 1 of 2 things has happened:
1. the loan mods are WILDLY successful
2. there's a huge amount of REOs in waiting just behind the gates
If I were the Governator I would have had copies of the Grapes of Wrath in every polling place.
"If I wanted to destroy a nation," he wrote in 1966, "I would give it too much and I would have it on its knees, miserable, greedy and sick."
- John Steinbeck
Prescient....YES and a classic for today YES !
I was the ninth person to vote at my precinct at 9am
on election day 2008, at the exact same hour, I was 107th
California needs to do what Oregon did ...
All elections by mail ...
works great there ...
mmckinl WA State too !
and if you have no mailbox?
Strip this House (TM)
I was the only person to sign in on the voter rolls, and i saw about 6 pages. I actually voted yes on the one to limit pay raises for politicians, my first yes ever. Until castration (of the remaining politicians with balls) is voted on.
This Old Squat...
"and if you have no mailbox? "
Heh...like votes matter.
But seriously, with housing starts green shooting HD should have plenty of business.
You would think with all the doomer/goldbugs DIY basement bunker additions would be the new bull market.
and if you have no mailbox?
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Don't know what Oregon does then ....
Can't be more than .1% of the people that would vote ...
City Hall maybe ? Wouldn't be crowded ...
WA State too !
Elections by mail ...
thanks for the info ...
I don't know why Cali couldn't ...
Be cheaper too ...
don't understand the no mailbox bit; to be a resident don't you need a mailing address?
lots of foreclosure folks these days in Cali - not as many real addresses as there used to be...
re: My post last thread
sm_landlord, JP; There is some interesting stuff, but none of it too strong. I wouldn't make too much from a lack of correlation though. You both read it right (well one clarification, the correlation between US equity ETF and US equity mutual funds is negative 0.0565)
I would say that's because the mutual fund crowd has a lag time between wanting to sell, and the sale happens. As such, they tend to pile on the most when the market is on a downswing, and most of their money is withdrawn when the market is at its lowest point. Also with the equity ETF, keep in mind there were big inflows last year and very tiny flows this year. That would break the correlation and covariance. It's hard to say what the data indicates when it's beneath the noise floor.
In general though, Equity ETFs have flow directions inverse to Mutual Funds and coincident with the market direction.The latter we should expect by their NAV model that reinforces the direction of the market, and what is going up/down would gain/lose funds.
Finally I would add that there are other large players that move the market. It does look as if an unnamed force is causing mutual funds to sell the most at the lows, and buy the most at the highs. (The 0.44710 correlation between SP500 wk over wk % change and 'All Equity Mutual Funds', with the SP500 leading)
disclaimer: TrimTabs All Equity Mutual Funds isn't the result of a direct summation from the other numbers, I'm not sure the explanation behind that discrepancy, but it is why I included it as its own series
At least the HD store is a much nicer place to visit post Nardelli - I suppose he will get another $300 million for wrecking Chyrsler... any bets where he will pop up next? Is there anything left to wreck?
I will cast my vote for Goldman Sachs.
i am proud to have voted though i'm 100% sure voting is the reason I have a jury summons.
I voted no on 1a-1e and yes on 1f. So did my coworkers.
My justification, i'm a software engineer. We have to stay on the cutting edge, work a lot just to maybe keep our jobs away from indians and get our 0 retirement plan.
I'm pretty ok with police, firefighter and teachers making way less money considering they dont have to run that rat race. Its not like they'd be able to get jobs doing anything else for close to their total compensation now. So their ridiculous "save the teachers police, firefighter" ads are terrible.
One way or the other, on May 20th Californians will have to begin discussing how to fix their broken state.
He clearly didn't get the message from the Obama Administration- only green shoots and shafts of light. Guess Lowes will get the White House contract.
I guess if I worked for Home Depot, especially in management, I might be worried. Then again, these were the people who whenever they opened a new store would send the competitors manager (Hechingers) a dozen black roses
My polling place, at around 10:30 am. 6 Poll Workers. And me.
TrimTabs All Equity Mutual Funds isn't the result of a direct summation from the other numbers
Is the "All equity Mutual Funds" lower than the sum of the parts? I am thinking that their segments might overlap. (I can't find their data link...)
Polls close at 8pm?
Chase bought an ad for California banking on CR?
If we all click on it does Bill get loadsa money?
Can't think of better ways for Chase's loot to be spent.
california is going to be another trend setter for many more broke states to come knocking at Obama's door and his bought and paid for economic team who shot their collective wads with trillions for the 19 too big to fail banks are going to regret it
"lots of foreclosure folks these days in Cali - not as many real addresses as there used to be..."
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I would think they get their mail forwarded ...
General delivery if nothing else ...
Churches and shelters provide mailing addresses as well ...
It would seem these people would be better served by mail vote ...
less time and trouble ....
nemo:
the theme is
short euro squeezedolla holla short
"One way or the other, on May 20th Californians
will have to begin discussing how to fix their broken state."
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Why ?
Everybody can just settle into a new, third world country ...
Then again, these were the people who whenever they opened a new store would send the competitors manager (Hechingers) a dozen black roses
I just looked that up and apparently it was the other way around. If so, that worked out well.
Everybody can just settle into a new, third world country ...
We'll call it Bananafornia ...
rb, really? That is even funnier because Hechingers really was a crappy store.
Check my reasoning:
This is not to say that Home Depot is sitting pretty. They've got plenty of pressure from reduced expenditures from home builders and cash strapped/anxious homeowners. But the one bright spot seems to be these investors "snapping up bargains" (who I believe might just be buying a midge too early, but then again real estate only goes up, they sure aren't making any more AAA Bakersfield land, rich foreigners love to rent recently foreclosed shitboxes, this town is different -- it holds its value . . . .)
Coach Blake is telling the team to not go for the head fake. I have my doubts that the players are disciplined enough to sit on the head fake and watch the hips.
Jury summons come from DMV and voter registration. Not sure if registering to vote doubles your chances, tho.
km4 has a good point. What happens when the next 10 in line come clamoring for the ol baileroo? Or engineer a fkup that stampedes a response?
C
People who fall into the basement income brackets always vote YES to tax hikes. They are exempt anyhow so why not.
Home sales are up for the low end
/snark Sorry. Page not found.
WSJ: Bank of America Corp. has raised roughly $13 billion after selling 1.25 billion shares of common stock, according to people familiar with the situation.
looks like the "better than expected" part of the script is tapering off:
Trend Search
The Treasury Department in early June expects to announce the names of the initial round of money manager finalists qualified to buy toxic securities from financial institutions under the agency’s Public-Private Investment Program, according to a statement on Treasury’s website.
The statement doesn’t say when money managers will be hired for the program, but the finalists will have 12 weeks to raise $500 million after their selection to receive up to a 100% match from Treasury, the statement said.
http://www.pionline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090519/DAILYREG/905199978&nocache=1
That's PPIP for short
PPIPS are gonna crowd out the TIPS.
Seniors (fixed income) always vote and always vote NO to new taxes or hikes.
nades, re: last thread,
The net flow of funds since July 2 2008 are: ($ millions)
All Equity Mutual Funds -331135
US Equity Mutual Funds -171335
Non-US Equity Mutual Funds -137375
Bond Mutual Funds -105172
Hybrid Mutual Funds -45929
US Equity ETFs 90081
Non-US Equity ETFs 22496
Not the biggest players, but aren't they a bedrock of support? A constant source of fresh money
"One way or the other, on May 20th Californians will have to begin discussing how to fix their broken state."
Isn't the time for discussion about over? Time to do something?
nova-
Yes, that would be pretty hilarious.
One of the issues that concerns me about any retailer is what should have concerned anyone that invested in Zayre's, E.J. Korvette's, or Hechinger's. All of those companies are out of business. Did you know that Hechinger's sent a bouquet of black roses to Home Depot when they opened their first store in the Washington, D.C. area?
Fool.com: A Talk With Home Depot (Drip Port) December 20, 1999
"People who fall into the basement income brackets always vote YES to tax hikes.
They are exempt anyhow so why not."
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Ever read "What's the Matter with Kansas? " ?
check out denninger's comments on what he claims is an obvious leak of the BAC offering
WHERE ARE THE DAMN COPS (BAC) - The Market Ticker
[Bank of America Corp. has raised roughly $13 billion after selling 1.25 billion shares of common stock]
Good. Those dividends will come roaring right back!
Forget yields for bank shares. And many over the years bought for the income stream...
Japan gdp -4.0
All time record fall
though the results beat expecatations per marketwatch
Japan gdp - is that an inflection point?
don't you mean: "beat expectorations"
Japan gdp - is that an inflection point?"
No.
It's an infrection point.
favorite chart for today http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_l8gHrhQiXlE/ShMW072L9JI/AAAAAAAAAWU/UW7Dxqe1BL8/s1600/afl.png
Japan gdp -4.0
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month ... quarter ... ?
day?
"better than expectorations"
i crack myself up.
The epic cliff diving in Japan continues. GDP was down 15% in the most recent quarter.
Yahoo! 404 - Page Not Found
The good news is that since Japan has no inflation to speak of, you don't need to use any deflators to get the real picture. Other than that, it's all bad news in the land of the setting sun.
15%! That's GD stuff. They are going to have some great stories with which to lecture their grand kids. Now listen young man, when they say green shoots....
not sure what you mean EHP. yer data set there indicates that funds flow out of Mutual funds and into Equity ETF's....running your own book from the little guys persepctive, whose paying attention?
I would also say that I actually own my flavor of the index that old JBR posted in a link to sudden debt.
Japan gdp -4.0 is that an inflection point
yes - see GDP history
- Wolfram|Alpha
USA gdp is much better cooked !
15%! That's GD stuff. They are going to have some great stories with which to lecture their grand kids. Now listen young man, when they say green shoots....
At the rate they are reproducing they will be able to gather every Japanese grandkid up and check them into a 3 bedroom house for that story time.
Japan posts record GDP drop, but above expectation - MarketWatch
my english is still in recovery room from imperial cerveza, langosta, arroz and frijoles....y ceviche..
[Frank Blake, chief executive of Home Depot] said, noting that one out of every 54 homes in California was in foreclosure.
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How many homes are there in California?
ex·pec·to·rate (k-spkt-rt)
v. ex·pec·to·rat·ed, ex·pec·to·rat·ing, ex·pec·to·rates
v.tr.
1. To eject from the mouth; spit.
2. To cough up and eject by spitting.
v.intr.
1. To spit.
2. To clear out the chest and lungs by coughing up and spitting out matter.
[Latin expectorre, expectort-, to drive from the chest : ex-, ex- + pectus, pector-, chest.]
ex·pecto·ration n.
CR,
As a case in point on the effect of the moratoriums in a suburb of Sacramento: In 95691, the average "showing" on FidelityASAP was in the 30-40 range from 3Q08 to 1Q09. I checked again yesterday and it was in the 80s. Now this may also be because of the mix in 95691 but 95605 has declined a little (10% to 15% ish) from its 2007-2008 trend line but 95691 has more then taken up the slack.
However, regardless of the list price, multiple bids, neighborhood, or hype by local RE industry, the prices close almost uniformly below last asking or just at asking. I don't think the price below perceived market value tactic is working out as note holders had hoped.
And on a cheerful note, a home purchased in late 2008 as a rental just outside Davis is back listed as a REO now. Were non-owner occupied properties excused from the moratoriums?
"I will cast my vote for Goldman Sachs."
So will everyone else...
Those damned stupid Kansans really should take their voting lessons from Californians and New Yorkers. What could they be thinking?
"ex·pec·to·rate (k-spkt-rt)"
K-O-expectorate - medicine to stop financial hemorrhaging.
synonymistical solliloqiest says to the pitthy blogger, why so self evident?
Dont look at me, I was on a blond tangent.
better then expectorations?
Uh oh, Mrs Watanabe on line one to Nikki...
Regional currency slide breaking out.
Could be a wacky wednesday.
C
Japan GDP was the quarter number, annualized rate of decline was -15.2%
...and I am LMFAO at the "beat expectations" storyline here as that is a depression grade print
"I will cast my vote for Goldman Sachs."
No need. They already cast it on your behalf.
bANK fAILURE,
2 things. The amounts are not comparable. The correlation is weak.
broward does K-O-expectorate come bundled with K-Y Jelly ?
American taxpayers are going to need both.
better, then expectorations?
or
better then, expectorations?
ot-previous threads
Byzantine Ruins wrote:
1 currency now -yogi (profile) wrote on Tue, 5/19/2009 - 5:08 pm
I'll let the police and fire department know how you feel.[in response to a union basher]
"Oh there's a persuasive argument for unions -- the prison industry."
Sorry Byz but if that's sarcasm [doesn't have to be read that way] I will not let it slide. A smart writer like you ought to be able to come up with dozens of reasons why collective bargaining is particularly appropriate for municipal fire and police work. Shall we offer bonuses for the most arrests? The most convictions? Highest bidder gets fire protection? Private armed security forces usually work out well? No benefit at all to morale from union "brotherhood"? Efficient for the city to individually negotiate thousands of contracts? What if wages are set too low? It's not unions that corrupt police forces, it's power. You don't want to live in a city in which the police feel really underpaid. Either way they have power. Much easier for private units to "strike" than an entire union.
Once again, you're ignoring a thousand-year history of class conflict and division of labor which underlies every aspect of the system that has evolved, which is by no means perfect. As with Glass-Steagall, the notion that unions have somehow outlived their purpose invites disaster.
Nikkei Opens Up Despite Biggest Postwar GDP Fall
http://www.nni.nikkei.co.jp/e/fr/tnks/marketlive.aspx
"Now that the foreclosure moratorium is over, the pace of foreclosures is picking up again. And, according to Mr. Blake, this will probably impact the home improvement companies."
Presumably for the better, as either the buyer or seller will fix up the place? Not to mention that this month must be prime listing season, for the over the summer movers, to get things ship shape.. And this should be a record setting listing season with a years worth of inventory and the shadow inventory.
Zillow says 3,487,226 homes for sale, does anyone have any historical information?
if police got no pay many would probably volunteer for the fun and easy profit opportunities .
ever watch super troopers?
Wow, I expected voter turn-out to be low given the fact that it was a special election, but I didn't expect it this low from what I am reading here and at other sites. This is what is depressing me...I feel like we are at an important point, don't exactly know how to change this train so to speak, but how much of the country under 40 is actually paying attention? Are they even going to notice when the jobs keep disappearing....
Guess the whole buy japanses comopanies for the btter balance sheets isnt turning out so well..
EHP.
Mrs Watanabe is on line one. Whats she sayin?
Here's what's she's asking me....Are US funds flowing out? Is Money flowing to the emerging in fear of the dollar? should I hedge with long Euro? Are bonds really in bear market?
Those damned stupid Kansans really should take their voting lessons from Californians and New Yorkers. What could they be thinking?
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LOL
The point of the book was that poorer people often vote against their own economic interests ...
As far as New York and California .... if they weren't paying more than their share of Federal Taxes
they would be doing just fine ...
Most of the "Red" states out there are Federal Welfare states ... they get way more than they send to
Washington DC...
Kali Poll report from Santa Monica:
Mrs. Landlord and I walked to the Montana library and voted in person. There was one person coming out when we arrived, no one inside while we voted, one person came in while we were leaving. Four very bored looking poll workers were manning the desks.
Very unlike last fall's election.
BTW, you can vote by mail in Kalifornia, or you can go to the polls.
I read somewhere that a lot of people voted by mail this time, but we'll see when the number come out.
I don't think that the outcome is in question.
Dont worry the japanese will just print more debt at 0% and enact another stimulus package until a faint heartbeat is heard. they have applied the paddles so much the patient probably begging for a waterboarding
most under forty know the roof is on fire but feel they have no stake is the success of the system so...
burn motherfucker, burn.
C Scotto - denninger's asking where the cops are? Loafing, trading, polishing cv's, if reports are to be believed.
There are some in HK, however:
FT.com / Companies / Banks - M Stanley approved alleged insider trade
Sounds like some oversight crept into the game.
C
Thanks for that Nikkei link - the yen is falling, the yen is falling!
"if police got no pay many would probably volunteer for the fun and easy profit opportunities ."
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Yeah ... we could become a narco state like Mexico ...
but who would we sell to ?
BBAD !
according to shadow inventory, Mrs Watanabe is pleased.
I know a person who is a multi-deca-millionaire... He works for a sheriff's dept part time just for kicks - gets a sheriff's car to drive around and park at his house, gets to carry his K9 trained dog with him... He's probably a good sheriff but he certainly does not do it for the $$...
"Regional currency slide breaking out."
Yeowch!
I would like to believe they know the roof is on fire, I can't honestly tell anymore though. I think the young ones may have more faith in the Presidential messiah than our more seasoned citizens.
At my daughters high school the teachers love to bitch to the students about how much their pension fund has dropped. Wait until they can bitch about how life was when they had one.
LATimes reports 4PM voter turnout of 11.57%
"Most of the "Red" states out there are Federal Welfare states ... they get way more than they send to
Washington DC"
Those VA plantation founders knew what they were doing. 2 white male votes in the Senate plus their property gets some bonus Representation (without the vote). I guess they figured slaves didn't pay Taxation.
don't worry.
California will be able to tax Indian and Chinese citizens to retrieve that lost tax revenue!
"LATimes reports 4PM voter turnout of 11.57%"
Does that include absentee?
"He's probably a good sheriff but he certainly does not do it for the $$... "
Oh, you can count on him to put his life on the line fighting crime.
He's probably a good sheriff but he certainly does not do it for the $$...
He probably does it for the health care benefits
Thanks for that Nikkei link - the yen is falling, the yen is falling!
USD/JPY
(CCY: USDJPY=X)
95.96
Down 0.30 (0.31%)
I though that USD/JPY was how many Yen you get for a dollar?
USD/JPY Currency Conversion Chart - Yahoo! Finance
"I would like to believe they know the roof is on fire, I can't honestly tell anymore though"
Well, if it's any consolation, i knew the roof was on fire ten years ago.
Yup.
That thing is burning all right.
I been watching it from 1500 miles away for quite awhile.
What's on teevee tonight?
Broward, Mexico also remembers the Alamo.
Maybe LaLa land really believes Arnie can terminate criminals all by himself.
"I guess they figured slaves didn't pay Taxation."
I wonder of the slave owners paid property tax on the slaves?
If you drive a car,
I'll tax the street.
If you try to sit,
I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold,
I'll tax the heat.
If you take a walk,
I'll tax your feet.
Cuz I'm the taxman.
Yeah, I'm the taxman.
I never went on patrol with the sheriff but I do know that he responds to dispatch when on duty just like everyone else...
Mrs Watanabe has shorted Yen in favor of another flavor.
This fabled trade is the culmination of a nation of mud huts....guess what folks....yer not bettin against the mud-huts anymore..the US is bulldozing the mudhuts...
better than expectorations?
"1 currency now -yogi"
those rich guys in L.A. wanted to own EVERYTHING so I said, okay, go ahead.
And then I left.
It's sad that the U.S. turned out this way but I'm not wasting any more of my life trying to fix it with tons of my tax money and effort. Far easier to take a part-time job and watching tv.
"Does that include absentee?"
I didn't see specifics in the story I linked, but I'm guessing that's physical turnout.
Compared to something like 27% in the last state election at the same time.
super troopers
MEGAVIDEO - I'm watching it
Yogi do you care to post a short version of you one currency thesis?
mmckinl,
Then Frank really did mistitle his book, didn't he? It shoud have been "Whats the Matter with California".
In any case, is it in my interest to vote myself some of Bill Gates' loot?
Does the Sherrif get to foreclose people? Thats about all they do here outside of the courthouse and jail.
broward,
don't know. don't watch teevee. don't have cable.
Instead of giving 19 too big to fail banks trillions in TARP to try and pump up great chunks of the Big Shitpile Obama should have heeded this...
Keeping zombie banks alive is going to sap the energies of the US economy.
- George Soros
All this police talk. Where is average joe? I would really like to know what he has to say ....
I think average joe is sitting this one out.
I think the vast majority of the sheriff's calls are domestic violence in his area... probably some meth labs, whatever.... it's a pretty low income area...
Mrs W is looking terse. GDP serving was all baked in, nikki is getting all limp ramen on it, the neighbours are squabbling about who lost the checkbook, and she's lost the recipe for her signature uridashi souffle.
C
"In any case, is it in my interest to vote myself some of Bill Gates' loot?"
Well he did just sell off a TON of it. If someone were to tinker with cap gains a bit...
Love this headline today too:
"Fed Should Fuel Faster Inflation to Help U.S. Economy, Mankiw, Rogoff Say"
What fuel, how much, and if we are already on fire, let's hope they don't use jet fuel...
more super troopers if you have a hulu login
Hulu - Search
No, counterpointer. Mrs Watanabe is buying blueberries online and spanking grandchildren while trying to figure out how to buy GE through a Keiretsu, but its difficult with Mitsui.
Don't know if you guys talked about this today:
"Obama Says New Auto Standards a ‘Harbinger’ of Change"
Not interested in the story as much as the choice of words....I hope Moses goes up the mountain soon and brings back news. All this talk of change while being lost in the desert, is wearing thin. Hope the hope doesn't take 40 years to kick in. I am in a dismal mood tonight. Forgive me.
bANK fAILURE - or maybe she's wondering why AIG would announce it was going to put AIA up for IPO next year.
Next year??? I'm not sure the actuarial tables go out that far...
C
"most under forty know the roof is on fire but feel they have no stake is the success of the system so..."
My cousin worked for Unisys for 30 years, right out of college (Sperry, Univac). Hardware, software, not "management'. Built a house next door to an Amish farm in '06, within what he thought were his means. Just got the ax. No idea what kind of pension. The house is underwater but he is the person most likely to pay the most to the bank for it with his savings and small future earnings. He built the house for his family. I suspect there are many situations like that.
The solution is perfectly obvious. He respects the Amish and they respect him. They wouldn't outbid him (or his cousin) even if they could.
O/T: the original reason why I brought up the TrimTabs data was to see how much consumer cash was sitting on the sidelines. Since July 2008 $331.135 bn has been withdrawn from US Equity Mutual Funds.
That's less than what was withdrawn from HELOCs, so I'm going to guess not so much of it is dry powder ready to jump back in. Still, there is the possibility and joe6pack investors haven't jumped back in yet. Most likely they won't bite though, what with the constant reminder of their own finances (furloughs, layoffs, declining net worth.... bigger stories like the government, banks, automakers, states all having financing troubles)
If the Fed has to cut its budget, watch out for rural/highway policing. They got big boosts when the DHS was created and run hugely expensive drills annually, for no good reason. Podunkville does not need a helicopter and 2 armored personnel carriers, nor do they need to run huge drills where everyone is on overtime and where the fuel/equipment bills are more than the annual tax revenue from their region. Why do cities of 15,000 need a SWAT divison? honestly
During GD1 when the banks would foreclose farms they had so called 'penny auctions' - when the auction was opened someone would bid one penny and then no one else would bid... or the crowd would chant "No Sale" until the auctioneer left... That was in the area where I grew up... Things were different then...
All those "investors" buying gutted and burst-pipe foreclosures (or those needing just new paint and carpet) are friends to Home Depot and Lowes. I wonder what percent of their current business comes from that sector. And how sales in the big foreclosure states compare to the rest.
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conditions are good for this statement.
IPO's on the emerging have hot money inflows with a decoupling thesis inside said hot money inflow. A currency debasement is the fastest way to send your market higher.....why are we always fascinated by allowing the Yuan to rise faster?
the password is:
Do I have what you want?
The real question is.. can the system last for 5 years?
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- The United States may emerge from recession as early as this summer, though further job losses mean a "depressed economy" could last as long as five years, Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman said Tuesday.
"I think it's quite possible that industrial production in the United States and perhaps in the world as a whole will bottom out sometime in the next few months, that GDP growth in the United States will be positive in the second half of the year and maybe a little bit later than that in Europe," Krugman told a global financial conference in Seoul.
People do not learn without consequences
Banks Use Life Insurance to Pay Bonuses
Taking Out Policies on Executives Is Legal, but Families Say Employers Profit From Deaths
Banks Use Life Insurance to Fund Bonuses - WSJ.com
By ELLEN E. SCHULTZ
Banks are using a little-known tactic to help pay bonuses, deferred pay and pensions they owe executives: They're holding life-insurance policies on hundreds of thousands of their workers, with themselves as the beneficiaries.
Banks took out much of this life insurance during the mortgage bubble, when executives' pay -- and the IOUs for their deferred compensation -- surged, and banking regulators affirmed the use of life insurance as a way to finance executive pay and benefits.
The solution is perfectly obvious. He respects the Amish and they respect him. They wouldn't outbid him (or his cousin) even if they could.
This is America! Is that even legal?
krugman, no taffy for you.
Fed to Add Older CMBS to TALF Lending Program in July (Update3) - Bloomberg.com
If at first your sham does not succeed, make the sham more encompassing.
We will get this ponzi credit flowing again, dammit!
Then Frank really did mistitle his book, didn't he? It shoud have been "Whats the Matter with California".
In any case, is it in my interest to vote myself some of Bill Gates' loot?
~~~~
Bill Gates wouldn't be a multi billionaire without the economy. The economy couldn't function
without government ... Bill Gates owes society and has said as much ... so has Buffet ...
~~~
The people I really have problems with, like banksters, are they take over companies built over
years and years then believe they are owed tens, hundreds of millions for a few years work ...
RE low turnout:
Maybe too many CA people are afraid that, if they leave their houses, they won't be able to get back in.
Hey Krugie, thanks. I think it's "quite possible" that skittle-shatting unicorns will caper and cavort across my lawn tomorrow followed by flocks of tinkerbells spreading magic dust across my perfect neighbourhood of castles in the sky. I also think it's "quite possible" I have either exceeded the stated dose, or not taken it.
C
Was trolling around the low-rent sections of the cable dial between periods of the hockey and saw ads for...
I'm glad to see that the banks are back to the business of rationally allocating capital among productive sectors of the economy.
krugman sees return to growth in a couple of months. boy did they gag him with roast beef or what?
Lucifer (profile) wrote on Tue, 5/19/2009 - 7:27 pm
Wow ... Krugman said that ... !
They must have given him his own secret decoder ring ...
The message said :
We'll blame you if it goes down, and everybody knows,
it's going down...
mmckinl,
Ruby slippers are known to cause wishful thinking.. so what happened to swine flu?
"he [volunteer] responds to dispatch when on duty just like everyone else..."
Of course, Joe Kennedy's firstborn got shot down volunteering for a dangerous mission. Could work fine in individual situations. Maybe Vikram Pandit IS worth that dollar salary. What if the sheriff decides the life of a deca-millionaire is more appealing after all, just when the blackout hits?
Shadow I lack the time at the moment, but search terms like haloscan, "1 currency soon-yogi", "digital superbasket of liquid intangibles". I know I put a few together in November, and there were some helpful discussions going back a year. That killjoy Broward usually chimed in that my formula lacked the requisite gunpowder. But when he's in love he's quite the Buddhist.
Sound like a joke but it's a real quote...
“We see TARP as an insurance policy,” he said. “That when all this stuff is finally over, no matter how bad it gets, we’re going to be one of the remaining banks.”
- John C. Hope III, Whitney National Bank chairman
Whitney Holding Corporation - Management
Americans taxpayers pay the tab for this huge game of Ponzi Monopoly.
Here's what bugs me about Krugman and his ilk. They rail against the financial free loaders, while simultaneously demanding that the Government increase its spending and CONtrol over the eCONomy.
WTF! Can't Krugman see that the financial freeloaders make a good part of their living grifting off of all the government spending and regulation. Seriously, Congress accepts millions in CONtributions from banks and then lets the banks write the legislation and Krugman expects a different outcome!
Grow up Paul.
Gold is stern and impartial master.
"This is America! Is that even legal?"
This is America! Can you be forced to bid for your neighbor's house?
"LATimes reports 4PM voter turnout of 11.57%"
Is that the percentage of public employees in the electorate?
Now that is change I can believe in..
//3. lingerie football//
so what happened to swine flu?
~~~~~
The swine flu is raging ...
It is just so mild most people don't even report it ...
Almost every death was due to complications from other conditions ...
Always said it was a scare tactic ... fear mongering ...
Ivy league schools do strange things to your ability to think objectively.
//WTF! Can't Krugman see that the financial freeloaders make a good part of their living grifting off of all the government spending and regulation. Seriously, Congress accepts millions in CONtributions from banks and then lets the banks write the legislation and Krugman expects a different outcome!//
mmckinl,
hmm.. are you the same mmckinl?
though i wanted to, i never took krug seriously for being from the new youk times. in fact, i never read the new york times, even all the NYT links posted here. i have no account nor will i ever.
why bother? the paper is transparently contrived by the party organ...
propaganda just clogs up your brain.
it is like mcdonalds for your mind.
I can honestly say Ive never been this bearish on US bonds, US equities, and the US dollar in my living being.
Oh well...I guess there's no such thing as a post that's so obviously sarcastic it doesn't even need a snark tag.
Gold is stern and impartial master.
Gold is a soldier of the elite ...
Hoarded and manipulated ...
Gold is a myth ...
that cannot heat your home ...
or fill your belly ...
if it's real ...
it's ammo and alcohol ...
The Japanese economy is -18%; Russian is -8%; Both are heavily oriented into Exports. It's a good indicator that everyone who believes that the US consumption will bounce back this summer to the 2004 - 08 levels are a bit delusional. Even more striking is slow down in consumption despite government efforts to pump credit, etc.
Not that we will stop consuming, but hopefully we will stop excessive consuming at the expense of future generations.
hmm.. are you the same mmckinl?
yes ...
"In any case, is it in my interest to vote myself some of Bill Gates' loot?"
I suppose it depends on the likelihood that you'll starve to death before the invisible hand motivates Bill Gates to "invent" some new profit maker that some one else gave away for free.
.........Also Krugman said yesterday at Hyatt Regency , Yongsan ....if the global recovery is too fast , there will be a worst great depression in 2018.......this fella is nothing but a joke.......everybody at the conference was laughing when he said this........
Yes.. Investment bankers, Ivy league douchebags and MBAs have done such a wonderful job
Executives require profits.. really?
Why Government Can't Run a Business
Politicians need headlines. Executives need profits.
Why Government Can't Run a Business - WSJ.com
JOHN STEELE GORDON
The Obama administration is bent on becoming a major player in -- if not taking over entirely -- America's health-care, automobile and banking industries. Before that happens, it might be a good idea to look at the government's track record in running economic enterprises. It is terrible.
In 1913, for instance, thinking it was being overcharged by the steel companies for armor plate for warships, the federal government decided to build its own plant. It estimated that a plant with a 10,000-ton annual capacity could produce armor plate for only 70% of what the steel companies charged.
When the plant was finally finished, however -- three years after World War I had ended -- it was millions over budget and able to produce armor plate only at twice what the steel companies charged. It produced one batch and then shut down, never to reopen.
fill your belly with alcohol and heat your home with ammo ?
""LATimes reports 4PM voter turnout of 11.57%"
Is that the percentage of public employees in the electorate?"
It's the percentage of senior citizens in the total population who could afford gasoline.
Could we stop lying.. for a minute. Hey, he is using models... based on fantasy.. make that man an investment banker
Losing Control
Losing Control - WSJ.com
By DANIEL AKST
With all the talk of swine flu, universal health insurance and computerizing medical records, you'd think epidemics and inadequate medical care were the major threats to public health in this country. But an important new study on preventable deaths will quickly disabuse you of that notion. Read the report and you'll likely conclude that the biggest premature killer of Americans is . . . Americans.
Too many of us appear to be bent on slow-motion suicide. Consider smoking; if we could get every American to stop, we'd save 467,000 lives annually. Solving high blood pressure (much of it arising from unhealthy lifestyles) would save 395,000. And if we could get everyone to slim down to an appropriate body weight, we'd save 216,000 lives.
You can't aggregate all the lives that would be saved from the 12 lifestyle factors covered by the study because of some serious overlap; obesity, for instance, causes a lot of hypertension. But Dr. Majid Ezzati, a Harvard School of Public Health professor who co-authored the report, estimates that if you net out the double-counting, somewhat more than a million people die annually from the 12 behavioral risk factors, which include the obvious (immoderate alcohol consumption) and the less so (eating too little fish, which provides omega-3 fatty acids).
Lucifer ,
At any given time there are thousands of viruses infecting humans ...
around the world ...
The question isn't the spreading per se ... it's the seriousness of the symptoms ...
H1N1 never showed any severe symptoms outside compromised immune systems ...
3. lingerie football.
Okay, Yalt, you got my attention. Would like to know more about that game.
"I read recently the statement by one business economist that if there is any hero in this mess we find ourselves in, it is Ben Bernanke. As far as I can judge, he has since last October managed the response to the crisis competently--perhaps more competently than his predecessor Greenspan would have done, or other possible replacements for Bernanke. But he is like a general who having been defeated in battle because of his errors manages the retreat of his army competently. He does not thereby escape blame for the defeat, and should not be permitted to shift blame to the soldiers under his command who gave way under attack." - Posner
A Failure of Capitalism (III)--Blame the Fed, the Government in General, and the Economists -
The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan
That is kind of harsh.
mmckinl,
I'm not a gold bug by any means. But imo, throughout history, gold has done a better job of promoting real growth and protecting against financial or government over-reach than any other system.
Deflation is only bad for those that live off of levererage, namely banks. Prudence and innovation thrive in deflation. Deflation is the natural economic state.
mmckinl,
I know.. but there were many on CR who thought otherwise.. including some people who seem to like that idea.
Bank of America just pushed 13.5 bl in common stock.
"Bank of America faces potential losses for 2009 and 2010 of $136.6 billion, or 10 percent of loans, under the Fed’s adverse scenario for the U.S. economy. The tests project an economic outlook much gloomier than most experts, Lewis said on a May 7 conference call. <>"
haha
(even better: )
Goldman Sachs this week raised Bank of America to “buy” from “neutral,”
Throughout history, we also had slavery and poor sanitation.. why not turn back the clock on everything? And was there ever a large middle class in any country before the 1940s.. why not?
//I'm not a gold by any means. But imo, throughout history, gold has done a better job of promoting real growth and protecting against financial or government over-reach than any other system.//
""LATimes reports 4PM voter turnout of 11.57%"
Don't laugh, but I was the first signature on my page.
I voted after lunch.
"The Japanese economy is -18%; Russian is -8%; Both are heavily oriented into Exports. It's a good indicator that everyone who believes that the US consumption will bounce back this summer to the 2004 - 08 levels are a bit delusional."
Wait, they're waiting for US to lead them out? I do not think it is going to work that way anymore.
Mercantilism has that effect.. There is only true religion to get them out of this quandry.. the religion of consumption.
//Wait, they're waiting for US to lead them out? I do not think it is going to work that way anymore.//
Yalt, there are otherwise intelligent people here who still have some bizarre notions about "natural free markets" pricing property independently of combat pay, my apologies.
That is a oxymoron.. like "toxic assets", "arbeit macht frei", "mother nature", "natural drugs" or "honest businessman"
"natural free markets"
153 handles 34 users who set policy for the 310 observers.
didja see what I did there....I counted my handles I've used over the last 3 years....and then looked at the numbers on the CRVIX.
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Election results - nobody reporting yet - the CA sec. of state is tweeting on twitter!
Northern California local news and information from The Sacramento Bee - sacbee.com
Angry Saver
I'm not a gold bug by any means. But imo, throughout history, gold has done a better job of promoting real growth and protecting against financial or government over-reach than any other system.
Deflation is only bad for those that live off of levererage, namely banks. Prudence and innovation thrive in deflation. Deflation is the natural economic state.
~~~~
You are exactly right ... except that early on, first, goldsmiths then bankers started leveraging the value of gold through the use of certificates ...
Fractional Reserve Banking ...
This was condoned by the colonial powers to underwrite the waging of war and the pillage of their colonies. Unbeknownst to
the sovereigns they could have had their own currencies but they were out maneuvered by the bankers ...
The Tally Stick system worked in England for centuries but when bankers laid claim to the creation of currency and credit
they made it useless for commerce ... to monopolize their scheme.
They did the same for Colonial currency ... as they saw it a threat to their monopoly ...
Lucifer,
You miss the point entirely. Living standards improve over time as a result of real growth. By definition, real growth does not come from inflation. Inflation allows the non-productive to capture the real growth. See the problem? It's not just the growth, it's the distribution.
Okay, Yalt, you got my attention. Would like to know more about that game.
I'd really rather wash my hands of the whole thing, but now that I've mentioned it (and I suppose it's true that the sport seems to be targeting the kind of sophisticated audience that posts at CR) it'd be wrong to withhold information--you can google "Chicago Bliss" and you'll probably find out more than i want to know about it.
How could people afford to buy the fruits of "real growth".. Does a 50 foot yacht bought with ponzi money function any worser than the same yacht bought with "real money". How can you use "real" and money" together?
Living standards improve over time as a result of real growth.
I know.. but there were many on CR who thought otherwise.. including some people who seem to like that idea.
~~~~
BBAD are never fond of the real truth about their beliefs ...
especially when it comes to their beliefs about money ...
They have be indoctrinated in psuedo babble that masks
the real method and meaning of currency and credit ...
"What's the Matter with Kansas?"
Why, not a damned thing if you were the owner and publisher of the Emporia Gazette, made your money selling newspapers, and were a diehard Republican.
Now, if you were a farmer, like most Kansans, you might have heard another story.
"Okay, Yalt, you got my attention. Would like to know more about that game."
Linemen in plus sized lingerie? I'd rather not know.
A better site for election results...
Election Results - California Secretary of State
mp,
You must have read Benjamin franklin's thoughts on fools learning reality the hard way.
"Living standards improve over time as a result of real growth."
~~~
And now living standards will decline because of fake growth ...
OT, but giving the Fed more power over the 19, and stripping the SEC does not sound good to me...
May 19 (Bloomberg) -- The Obama administration may call for stripping the Securities and Exchange Commission of some of its duties under a regulatory reorganization that could be unveiled as soon as next week, people familiar with the matter said.
The proposal, still being drafted, is likely to give the Federal Reserve more power to supervise financial firms deemed too big to fail. The Fed may inherit some SEC functions, with others going to other agencies, the people said. On the table: giving oversight of mutual funds to a bank regulator or a new agency to police consumer-finance products, two people said.
Well, Amish communalism and mutual respect has replaced environmentalism as the number one terrorist threat to our nation. And like strict Muslims they refuse to borrow or lend at interest, and if THAT isn't a threat to our way of life I don't know what is.
mmckinl,
I don't buy the sovereign currency theory or the colonial script meme. Governments around the world and throughout history are corrupt. Just look at our CONgress. No way would I want that pack of self servinng dingbats managing credit and the mmoney supply. I would rather have private credit with strict leverage limits. Gold backing has merit imo. It's not perfect, but it's better than the alternatives.
"The Japanese yen has strengthened since the [GDP] release as the number came in better than expected which is leading to speculation that the worst of the economic downturn may be over. Since the Asian session began, the yen has traded in a 30 pip range and is currently flat."
Japanese Economy Contracts at record Pace -
Results pouring in on CA prop votes.
Election Results - California Secretary of State
No on 1A-1E Yes on 1F
~miser
mmckinl,
I always ask such people one simple question.
Does growth not require increased consumption.. and gold does not grow at the same rate as technology and even populations. So what allows people to buy more?
11% in and 1a through e are PASSING and 1f is FAILING!!!
But bankers have also been corrupt throughout history.. and there were just as many ponzi schemes and depressions in those days..
//No way would I want that pack of self servinng dingbats managing credit and the mmoney supply. I would rather have private credit with strict leverage limits. Gold backing has merit imo. It's not perfect, but it's better than the alternatives.//
. . . you can google "Chicago Bliss" and you'll probably find out more than i want to know about it.
Thanks, Yalt, I may do that. As a variation on mud-wrestling, we need a new hook to keep the club full.
BTW, did you know that really isn't mud they use? I didn't.
(I guess this cheap cabernet isn't bad after all.)
Okay, really seriously, have you noticed how the combined mind-power and experience of CR's commenters has yet to change the world? It just keeps on turnin' at its own rate despite all the calls here for a dose of sanity.
Lucifer,
Come on. There is no free lunch.
For every 50 ft yacht bought with ponzi money, there are 10,000 or more that were robbed of 3% of their purchasing power over that years production.
"The Fed may inherit some SEC functions, with others going to other agencies, the people said."
Yeah, the Fed did such a bang-up job, overseeing the banks.
"CREberg on the horizon, Captian Bernake!"
"Not to worry son, this bank is unsinkable!"
ShadowInventory (profile) wrote on Tue, 5/19/2009 - 8:17 pm
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11% in and 1a through e are PASSING and 1f is FAILING!!!
Idiot, you reversed the pass/fail.
Ooops CA sec. of state web site got it backwards - 1a-e fail, 1f yes...
With a few less "useful idiots" to participate in the scam.
It just keeps on turnin' at its own rate despite all the calls here for a dose of sanity.
Angry Saver
mmckinl,
I don't buy the sovereign currency theory or the colonial script meme. Governments around the world and throughout history are corrupt. Just look at our CONgress. No way would I want that pack of self servinng dingbats managing credit and the mmoney supply. I would rather have private credit with strict leverage limits. Gold backing has merit imo. It's not perfect, but it's better than the alternatives.
~~~~~
The you have been indoctrinated into the false analogies promulgated by the elites ...
Ben Franklin designed the colonial fiat currency for Pennsylvania and it worked well for 40 years ...
Too well for the Bank of England ... they prohibited it ... and The Revolution was born ...
apologies for the edit.
Rob Dawg,
It is California.. what were you expecting. Do they have a special test to weed out intelligent people from government jobs?
//Idiot, you reversed the pass/fail.//
The world is not zero sum..
//For every 50 ft yacht bought with ponzi money, there are 10,000 or more that were robbed of 3% of their purchasing power over that years production.//
Lucifer,
There are no guarantees in an open and free society. Freedom and liberty go hand in hand with risk and volitility. Caveat emptor.
Something else to CONsider. Socialism and communism promised stability and guarantees. The results were not as promised.
"gold has done a better job of promoting real growth and protecting against financial or government over-reach than any other system.//"
Except pirates take it and melt it. What got "us" out of GD1 was in large part confiscation of inefficiently balanced wealth (tax hike and gold grab) and forced rationing of commodities (heavy socialism). War destroys capital and labor.
The hard currency must be openly traceable (transparent) or savings will be robbed by pirate printers.
"It just keeps on turnin' at its own rate despite all the calls here for a dose of sanity."
It's a big world, and a hard to find blog. If some of those 297 guests hold off on buying the green shoots, I'll feel fine about it.
Bloggers clued me in enough, to switch to treasuries before the worst of the downturn, although it was much later before I found CR. Plush you had that whole Haloscan thing.
Bill Gates wouldn't be a multi billionaire without the economy.
And the economy wouldn't have undertaken 20 years of unsustainable exponential growth without Bill Gates 1990 contribution of Excel 3's 3D charts, later ubiquitous, allowing businesses large and small to discern the stairstep annual rewards of increased investment and credit expansion. Gates GIGO charts.
So how is predatory capitalism working out.. The problem is that any system based on a world that used to exist cannot work in another environment.
//Socialism and communism promised stability and guarantees. The results were not as promised.//
So what allows people to buy more?
Lucifer,
Prices drop. Lower prices increase demand. Just look at computers or flat screen TVs.
Ooops CA sec. of state web site got it backwards/
Yeah, that's the explanation. LOL.
The world is not zero sum..
Of course not. I never said it was. Just the opposite, I was speaking of real growth. I was also differentiating between real growth and nominal growth.
peAk
LOL
You can thank Alan Greenspan for the credit expansion ...
Gates never put out a program that was ready ...
He just levered everything on his monopoly ...
"Socialism and communism promised stability and guarantees. The results were not as promised. "
Angry saver, if the British government had commissioned a Karl Marx to write "The Wealth of Nations" instead of Adam Smith, you might have written this the other way around.
Frankly, I'm really weary of all this gold business. It was tried. It failed. Miserably.
If you had been a farmer in nineteenth, early twentieth century America, you wouldn't be preaching it.
Good night and good luck.
Gates never put out a program that was ready ...
Non-MSFT netbooks are taking over. Change it to Gates In, Garbage out.
Lucifer
mmckinl,
I always ask such people one simple question.
Does growth not require increased consumption.. and gold does not grow at the same rate as technology and even populations. So what allows people to buy more?
~~~~
More in what sense ? dollar volume or ounces ?
mp, from an earlier thread:
Who's blaming it on a party? I'm certainly not. I haven't voted in forty years and have no axe to grind on that score.
Ha, ha, beautiful!
I nominate this for rejoinder of the week, nay, the entire existence of CR.