I can't imagine why the construction industry would be worried that 1/4 of their workers are immigrants. After all, the "new stricter" laws (ie. enforcement of current laws) would only affect ILLEGAL construction workers, whether they were immigrants or not.
Here in Georgia state semnator Chip Rogers started and got passed the if you are brown get out of town bill. His next door neighbor was getting a new roof and a reporter asked the illegal worker if he knew that guy was trying to pass a bill against them. He said, no I just come hre to work.
Everybody wants the cheap labor, just not the people that do it.
The homebulding and construction industry has been subsized by the taxpayers for a long time by having to support social services for illegals while the industry socks away hefty profits. it's time to stick it back at them.
if my builders had to rely on english speaking crews to put the metal roofs on the four story beach houses i design, i couldn't have them built until next year, and all the chinese buffet-style resturants in the area would close. immigrants, who came here from both sides of the world, would be out of work, and i couldn't guess how much more it would cost to build a house.
however, with sales of beach houses down 70-80% from last year at this time, i'd be happy to see future homes cost much more and take much more time to build. with today's construction loans running 8.5%, houses are already much more expensive to build, especially when that meter is running. with this in mind, developers are starting to look at modular technology. the factories in this area hire pretty much all native u.s. labor. they can get a house up in less than 6 weeks, and some of these homes are done so well, that they are indistingushable from stick built homes. they employ 2X6 construction, have nine foot ceilings, and do very well in hurricanes. these houses, with all the bells and whistles, can be delivered at $86 a foot. even without immigrant labor (legal or illegal), the building industry can survive once land prices come down again.
I agree modular construction is a very good alternative.
Illegals should not be hired by companies. If it Means less fast food slop restaurants that are unhealthy anyway or people need to cut their own lawns so be it.
People waste far to much money.
OT: The way to combat terrorism is to make a real effort in switching our energy to biodiesels, alternative sources...Brazil has done it now we should to stick it these arabs.
I would love to see some of the cheap-labor companies, who make it impossible for legal blue collar wages to ever rise and who provide the incentive for 10% of the mexican population to come up here, to be hoisted on their own law-n-order petards through the use of the asset siezure laws that they have pushed for the drug involved.
Here in Michigan every farm I see now has spanish speaking workers. (My neice married one of the illegals). These used to be the jobs that the high school grads could get.
Either the asset seizure laws would be weakened or the source of the illegal labor trade would.
just a small cross section of america. some reporting on what's going on in thier sections of the country, neither condemning nor condoning, and some expressing their worries over not being able to pay their energy bills, future job losses for their children, and the general eroding of the quality of their lives. immigration, and its flipside, job outsourcing, both legal and illegal, have always been emotional issues. could it be possible, that "batshit crazy" is in the eye of the "profoundly ignorant" beholder?
Frank,
How did you get in?
Some people are concerned about the future of this country. And absolutely No politician Repub or Democrat is willing to make the tough decisions to solve our problems.
We have a really serious energy situation.
Study brazil and their sugarcane ethanol. it supplies 85% of their needs right now.
The free markets do not always work properly to head off crisis. The free market reacts after the fact.
What has to be done?imo
1. The fed needs to stop devaluing our currency?
2. Lending standards must be tightened
3. We must find alternative sources of energy like biodiesels and various types of ethanol.
4. Fuel taxes should apply to vehicles that get under 20 mpg
5. Encourage more savings less spending
6. Remove the mtg interest deduction on second homes and helocs.
7. We must promote manufacturing in this country.
8. FNM and FRE should be limted to a certain leverage.
9. Sarbanes Oxley should be repealed. A crook is a crook no matter what.
10. The borders should be shut down and companies who hire illegals should be fined heavily.
I have to add the funny sight of watching the Bennihana waitperson doing his "Japanese" waiterperson thing while being very Mexican. Ah! Only in America. I want to add that he was very good at being a "Japanese" waitperson.
1 we do not have a free market. What we do have is a CB that intervenes and quasi govt inst that interfere with free market actions with the intent of slowly and steadily transfering wealth from the middle to the top. Our politicians are bought and sold by special interests. Different subsections in the population benefit from time to time only by virtue of being in the right place at the right time. Rest assured our welfare was not the intention of the politicians.
2 imposing more restrictions and/or any type of tarrif will just push the US off the financial cliff and is a form of interference in free markets.
The reality of the situation is our govt has tried to prevent short term pain at high long term costs, with the affect of transferring wealth. The only way out is to slowly inflate while somehow holding down asset prices. This will allow wages et all rise (hopefully).
So I propose:
1 Inflate the currency
2 Enforce immigration policy and heavily fine employers who break the law(I'm thinking 10k/per illigal employee/month..lol)
3 Remove all incentives and tax deductions that favor assets and remove all govt inst that support it.
I know it sucks for those who save and have avoided pigging out on the slop at the trough, but the plan you propose would launch us into massive deflation and severe social unrest.
It just boils down to which brand of shit you'd rather eat and for how long....it's a foregone conclusion though that we all are going to have a plate full.
kirk
When I read the title - I was worried that the restrictions would limit growth in the demand curve (price reducing), which would sadden me as a recent homeowner. But this sounds like an inward shift of the supply curve (price increasing). But that still concerns me as I just bought an older house, which could stand some remodeling.
renterfornow,
lol....you must be the last American with a savings account. Ready for deflation? You may have the savings to cherry pick assets but your job might get 86'ed during the process. I vote for the slow inflation scenario and asset price control. If we're going to interefere, lets be smart about it. Noone profits during massive social unrest.
kirk
ps- Could I borrow some money? lol
I can't imagine why the construction industry would be worried that 1/4 of their workers are immigrants. After all, the "new stricter" laws (ie. enforcement of current laws) would only affect ILLEGAL construction workers, whether they were immigrants or not.
It must be another anti-immigrant ploy!
Here in Georgia state semnator Chip Rogers started and got passed the if you are brown get out of town bill. His next door neighbor was getting a new roof and a reporter asked the illegal worker if he knew that guy was trying to pass a bill against them. He said, no I just come hre to work.
Everybody wants the cheap labor, just not the people that do it.
The homebulding and construction industry has been subsized by the taxpayers for a long time by having to support social services for illegals while the industry socks away hefty profits. it's time to stick it back at them.
if my builders had to rely on english speaking crews to put the metal roofs on the four story beach houses i design, i couldn't have them built until next year, and all the chinese buffet-style resturants in the area would close. immigrants, who came here from both sides of the world, would be out of work, and i couldn't guess how much more it would cost to build a house.
however, with sales of beach houses down 70-80% from last year at this time, i'd be happy to see future homes cost much more and take much more time to build. with today's construction loans running 8.5%, houses are already much more expensive to build, especially when that meter is running. with this in mind, developers are starting to look at modular technology. the factories in this area hire pretty much all native u.s. labor. they can get a house up in less than 6 weeks, and some of these homes are done so well, that they are indistingushable from stick built homes. they employ 2X6 construction, have nine foot ceilings, and do very well in hurricanes. these houses, with all the bells and whistles, can be delivered at $86 a foot. even without immigrant labor (legal or illegal), the building industry can survive once land prices come down again.
I agree modular construction is a very good alternative.
Illegals should not be hired by companies. If it Means less fast food slop restaurants that are unhealthy anyway or people need to cut their own lawns so be it.
People waste far to much money.
OT: The way to combat terrorism is to make a real effort in switching our energy to biodiesels, alternative sources...Brazil has done it now we should to stick it these arabs.
I would love to see some of the cheap-labor companies, who make it impossible for legal blue collar wages to ever rise and who provide the incentive for 10% of the mexican population to come up here, to be hoisted on their own law-n-order petards through the use of the asset siezure laws that they have pushed for the drug involved.
Here in Michigan every farm I see now has spanish speaking workers. (My neice married one of the illegals). These used to be the jobs that the high school grads could get.
Either the asset seizure laws would be weakened or the source of the illegal labor trade would.
"If you're brown, get out of town"
"Stick it to the illegals"
"Stick it to the Arabs"
"Modular homes will replace built in place"
"Asset seizures are needed so high school grads can work the fields"
Is this "No Cover Charge For The Bat Shit Crazy And Profoundly Ignorant" night?
o frank
just a small cross section of america. some reporting on what's going on in thier sections of the country, neither condemning nor condoning, and some expressing their worries over not being able to pay their energy bills, future job losses for their children, and the general eroding of the quality of their lives. immigration, and its flipside, job outsourcing, both legal and illegal, have always been emotional issues. could it be possible, that "batshit crazy" is in the eye of the "profoundly ignorant" beholder?
Frank,
How did you get in?
Some people are concerned about the future of this country. And absolutely No politician Repub or Democrat is willing to make the tough decisions to solve our problems.
We have a really serious energy situation.
Study brazil and their sugarcane ethanol. it supplies 85% of their needs right now.
The free markets do not always work properly to head off crisis. The free market reacts after the fact.
What has to be done?imo
1. The fed needs to stop devaluing our currency?
2. Lending standards must be tightened
3. We must find alternative sources of energy like biodiesels and various types of ethanol.
4. Fuel taxes should apply to vehicles that get under 20 mpg
5. Encourage more savings less spending
6. Remove the mtg interest deduction on second homes and helocs.
7. We must promote manufacturing in this country.
8. FNM and FRE should be limted to a certain leverage.
9. Sarbanes Oxley should be repealed. A crook is a crook no matter what.
10. The borders should be shut down and companies who hire illegals should be fined heavily.
Renterfornow,
I like to add an #11
11. Make corporations repatriate capital, or face tariff of your goods or service!
I have to add the funny sight of watching the Bennihana waitperson doing his "Japanese" waiterperson thing while being very Mexican. Ah! Only in America. I want to add that he was very good at being a "Japanese" waitperson.
renterfornow,
1 we do not have a free market. What we do have is a CB that intervenes and quasi govt inst that interfere with free market actions with the intent of slowly and steadily transfering wealth from the middle to the top. Our politicians are bought and sold by special interests. Different subsections in the population benefit from time to time only by virtue of being in the right place at the right time. Rest assured our welfare was not the intention of the politicians.
2 imposing more restrictions and/or any type of tarrif will just push the US off the financial cliff and is a form of interference in free markets.
The reality of the situation is our govt has tried to prevent short term pain at high long term costs, with the affect of transferring wealth. The only way out is to slowly inflate while somehow holding down asset prices. This will allow wages et all rise (hopefully).
So I propose:
1 Inflate the currency
2 Enforce immigration policy and heavily fine employers who break the law(I'm thinking 10k/per illigal employee/month..lol)
3 Remove all incentives and tax deductions that favor assets and remove all govt inst that support it.
I know it sucks for those who save and have avoided pigging out on the slop at the trough, but the plan you propose would launch us into massive deflation and severe social unrest.
It just boils down to which brand of shit you'd rather eat and for how long....it's a foregone conclusion though that we all are going to have a plate full.
kirk
When I read the title - I was worried that the restrictions would limit growth in the demand curve (price reducing), which would sadden me as a recent homeowner. But this sounds like an inward shift of the supply curve (price increasing). But that still concerns me as I just bought an older house, which could stand some remodeling.
Bring on deflation i am prepared.
No debt and strong finances!
renterfornow,
lol....you must be the last American with a savings account. Ready for deflation? You may have the savings to cherry pick assets but your job might get 86'ed during the process. I vote for the slow inflation scenario and asset price control. If we're going to interefere, lets be smart about it. Noone profits during massive social unrest.
kirk
ps- Could I borrow some money? lol
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