Seeing Red in a Sea of Red Tile & Red Ink.

The LATimes exposes 3 issues normally glossed over. "Renting from someone who pays the owner." In addition to mortgage and insuance fraud the transient nature and habits of casual tertiary renters acellerates property value declines.

Insurance fires.

The social costs. Money problems are almost always cited as contributing to divorce.

CR does a great job documenting the macroecon impacts as they develop. These 3 issues will soon be part of that mllieu.

Are there PEOPLE to live in all these new houses? Is it all a matter of price, or is it possibly we have simply maxed out buyers in general in addition to all the other crap adding to this popped bubble.

I live in MA, and off rte 128 hundreds of new condo units have sprung up in the last couple of years. These units are directly off the noisy highway and still an hour away from the city. I just can't envision who is going to live there.

"Dude, the last thing I need is another refinance."

I don't know if this woman can win the game at this point, but I'm rooting for her. Frankly, I'd like to hire her as a consultant to the mortgage industry.

After all the hoo-ha about those mercedes-drivin' folks getting their unfair modifications from the servicers, it's nice to see the LAT get past that to discover folks who have learned the painful lesson, and who are trying to get out from under it as best they can, by cutting sales prices and trying to plan for a way to avoid a short sale. But then, you see, these people may have been deluded about which direction home prices can go, but it's clear that what they thought they were buying was, underneath it all, a home they wanted to live in and raise children in. Those are always your best borrowers, and those are the ones I, personally, do mods for when I can. It's really not that hard to tell them apart from the speculators and keeping-up-with-the-Joneses crowd. That said, of course, I'd probably end up counseling them that a mod is hopeless, not because they'd necessarily just get behind again, but because their neighborhood is too far gone for further sacrifices on their part to be worth it. If as a lender I had to lose money on these folks, I'd be inclined to start talking short sale. While there might still be time.

Well, the plot thickens:

Consumer Prices Rise in February

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Published: March 16, 2007

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Consumer prices climbed more than expected in February as energy costs bounced back from a January drop and food prices climbed at the steepest rate in nearly two years, a Labor Department report on Friday showed.

The Consumer Price Index increased 0.4 percent after a 0.2 percent January rise, while core prices that exclude food and energy items were up 0.2 percent following a 0.3 percent January gain.

And the euro? Well, the euro is climbing like a seagull with a MacDonald's french fry in its mouth.

So M. Bernanke is in something of a dilemma. Inflation seems to be heating up. And the dollar seems to be heading South.

Cut rates? Dollar heads farther South, perhaps much farther South. And inflation becomes real.

Don't cut rates? What will Merrill Lynch etc. etc. etc. do?

Greenspan is proving to be a very tough act to follow.

Mes excuses for the garbage in the last quote.

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- It's fire-sale time in the subprime mortgage sector.
Troubled lender Accredited Home Lending, which has lost about 75% of its value since the beginning of the year, said on Friday that it's selling virtually all of its $2.7 billion loan portfolio at a substantial discount in order to meet margin calls.

While the identity of the buyer of Accredited Home's loans was unclear, three major investment banks this week said they expected to be buyers of loans as pressured lenders were forced to sell at attractive prices.

We were just discussing fires?

I personally do not see the problem except for the bag holders. If these people get forclosed on, then they are normally forgiven of their debts and can now rent a place they can afford. If you want to live beyond your means and play the lottery, don't come crying when you lose. Take the forclosure on your credit report as a honarary degreee from the school of hard knocks.

If any bailout is going to happen it will be for the poor bagholder who now own a liability (home) instead of an asset (note).

Wa Wa, somebody call the Wambulence!

"These units are directly off the noisy highway and still an hour away from the city. I just can't envision who is going to live there."

*This is called "affordable housing"

at some low price people will live there.

There was an interesting article published today in a local paper about how NEW, NFI, and about 50% of the REITs are based in Baltimore.
http://www.citypaper.com/digest.asp?columntitle=Newshole

What about MD has made it a haven for REITs, any thoughts? Might this be a factor in MD's apparent resistance to implementing the CSBS guidelines (reduce the number of loans that are a main product of these lenders, REITs go under, less revenue for the state).

I suggest watching CFC today (and next week). IMHO this is where the big fight Bulls Vs Bears is.

Dear All,

Random comments:

Bush Admin.’s bizarre touting of ethanol from corn causing corn and soybean futures to soar. These two used in many foods and in feed. Inflation rising.

Ever single page of the give-away paper, The Red Eye, here in Chicago targeted at young folks had an ad for a condo development this morning. But the one that caught my eye…an auction of condos at River City…values going up to 749,000 starting bids at 200,000s.

Average “home owner” has average debt of $191,000 (reference: an article in the Economist).

Total Consumer Credit outstanding in Jan. 2007 in billions: $2411.4

Just spoke to a friend who is a new homeowner in Ashburn, Loudon County, VA. He's a real wheeler dealer, Lebanese immigrant, family owns a chain of Lebanese restaurants (but he works in IT). He's aware of the problems but is sticking with the line that prices will not go down, "trust me".

Take the LA Times anecdotes with a grain of salt. Have a look at some work ocrenter has been doing, following up on a recent article (featured on this blog, as well as many others. Smile

Thank You Los Angeles Times 
I have to laugh to keep from reporting you to the Feds

OT: For the record, the article I noted yesterday about the huge increase in TCD was wrong. The author has now corrected the issue after I questioned his data when I could not find it in the Fed's H.6 figures. TCD went up 32 billion, not 132.

See my comments above:

By the way, across the street from River City are three new condo towers going up. So, auctioning units in one building and 1000s going in across the street…bizarre!

We might have been better off investing in tulips…rather than Condomania.

The newspapers must be very worried that the R is right around the corner.
Which means lower advertising revenue to a industry that is allready in shock. The plea to the Federal Reserve for lower interest rates is loud and clear.
The editorial board of the LA times as they sip their special morning brews by the strand are shocked at what is happening!

Hi...in Soylent Greenspan's comments on the subprime market the other night, he mentioned, If home prices weren't going down, we wouldn't be having a subprime problem.

What did he mean by that? It seems to me that people who can't afford an 8% mortgage on a $150,000 house aren't going to be able to afford an 8% mortgage on a $200,000 house. Did he just mean they would be able to get out of the house (sell it) without losing everything?

Meanwhile, in O.C. I looked at a 3 b.r. house for sale whose price was recently "reduced" to $900k. The house previously SOLD at this time in 2004 for $645k & has not been upgraded. The $900k was a reduction from an "asking" price. The highest comparable house (similar configuration in the nearby area) sold last Nov. for $900k.
So far all I really see in O.C. are slowing home sales and prices that have stopped rising. The REAL story to this point is that prices here have tripled since '97 & doubled since '01, and at current price levels it's really really tough to find a potential housebuyer who does not already own the house he/she lives in. That CAN'T bode well for a generation of young adults ready to start their own families and anxious to buy into the American dream.

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It is fascinating to watch American People not coming to terms with the reality -- The US econo-political system is fully controlled by bankers and financiers, aka Bankrupters and Fraudsters, of New York City. Why do you suppose Paulsen came to the White House? To assume the Presidency of the economy. Cheney is the President of foreign policy, including war. Baby Bush is just a front man who could get elected by acting as a good Christian, when in fact he is anything but a follower of Jesus.

Only liars at the top of the American Establishment. That is the sad truth. And there isn’t a damn thing that American People can do! The mortgage fraud was fully predicted four years ago. The regulators were sleeping at the wheel. Now, various groups want the govt. “to help.”

BTW, the economy is in recession right now. Bernanke and Paulsen are managing the Economic Crisis Center. They were fully expecting the crisis and here we are.

Jas

"So far all I really see in O.C. are slowing home sales and prices that have stopped rising."

That's the same basic situation here in the SF Bay Area. In my small town, for example, there's hasn't been a reported sale in a month.

Today, the SF Chronicle had an article on this same topic. Ironically, it quoted a RE agent in Walnut Creek who had just had a quick sale of a home at about $850K (at asking price). The agent cited this as evidence things were turning around.

I doubt it.

Wow, and I thought I had it bad in North NJ where they continue to hover between $600-800K. The people that really need to sell appear to be taking less, though.

I was watching Bruce Springsteen sing "Born to Run" live on youtube the other night, and while he was bellowing about NJ being "a rat trap, a suicide rap, we gotta get out while we're young" -- I was thinking, gosh, I'd give my left arm for a well priced 4 bedroom.

It was like that Woody Allen joke of million years ago...

The food is terribe here.
Yeah, and such small portions, too.

Okay, officially too much coffee.

That CAN'T bode well for a generation of young adults ready to start their own families and anxious to buy into the American dream.

Owning a home is hardball financial planning not a dream state induced by cheap credit. Lets not forget the boomers who during the next 10 years will be entering a period of lower spending and looking to capture all the equity the Federal Reserve says they have. Just who is going to be buying their property and for how much will be quite interesting.

Ed - about your friend in Loudoun Cty:

If you pull reports from MRIS, you'll see that Loudoun's average sales price is down 7.80% YoY, and its median is down 11.60% YoY.

It's a real decline, too. You can go back and pull a report for Feb 2006 for Loudoun, and compare the SFR listed in various price brackets.

The entire distribution has shifted down. The total number of SFR listed has gone down 100 to 2,559, but in 2006 there were 48 houses listed betw. $300,000 - $349,999; in 2007 there are 125. For the next bracket of $349,000 to $399,000, the number of listing has increased from 147 to 235, etc.

Loudoun Cty is bad housing juju.

Boo flippin' hoo.

"We might have been better off investing in tulips…rather than Condomania."

Big tulip beds would look a lot nicer than most of the new construction I have seen, and be easier to get rid of if somebody wants the land for something useful.

Big kudos to OCRenter. Go back and read those LA times links if you haven't already.

"Greenspan is proving to be a very tough act to follow."

It's tough to be the next dance act when the last guy's big finish was to take a huge dump center stage.

Jas, I can generally do without your holier-than-thou attitude. Your tone is too abrasive and insulting.

But I do agree that the economy has already slipped into recession.

I see debt people.

What will really hurt in Loudoun and other fast growing counties are the taxes. No downward adjustments of assessments, which have risen annually in line with housing prices. In Loudoun and other DC-area suburbs with sparse infrastructure, the cost of building the infrastructure and hiring folks to provide the policing and teaching have skyrocketed, leaving very little room to start cutting services.

Wait until your ARM adjusts and you have a walloping big bill from the county.

Allison F

I to live in mass...Middlesex county area, and travel this road everyday...condo Cell blocks everywhere...I ask who is living in these units and how many are empty? Makes you wonder...I think Mass is ahead of the rest of the country as far as housing goes...we reached top back in 05...the rest of the country is just catching up.

Just saw Thomas Lawler on CNBC, saying home prices will go down.

Max,

Thanks for the links re Sunday's LA Times story. The MSM failed to uncover the RE story on its own, and now that it's "discovered" it, it appears incapable of reporting on it accurately. I'm grateful to all those in the blogosphere who are staying on the case. :>)

But I do agree that the economy has already slipped into recession.

Based on what?

Jas, I can generally do without your holier-than-thou attitude


For real...I was wondering if that was a comment or scripture from the bible...

What we need to be asking ourselves is (1)What will the govt do? and (2)How much will it cost? There will soon be no question as to whether or not SOMETHING will be done.

Allison F & bfatz,

I grew up in 02420 off Simmons about half way up the hill. Beautiful neighborhood in the 50s and 60s. Outside of a nice Armenian family across the street from the old place, I don't think there's a single soul left from that era in The Manor. Sad.

..."At the top of his street, next to the charred shell of a house that mysteriously burned a few months ago, is a house for sale."

Yup, that’s one stat to keep track of over the next few years, burned down houses. In the early 80's, I lived in a condo complex and they were catching fire left and right.

My family lost our condo when a neighbor's garage "mysteriously" caught fire. Took out 8 units and talk about timing, it was on my 13th birthday.

Steve -

Based on my own observations and experience. Numbers won't show it until after the fact.

We'll see if I'm right in 6 months.

It's tough to be the next dance act when the last guy's big finish was to take a huge dump center stage.

Dang! I just spit Coke on my keyboard.

From realist's link on NYMT:

Steven B. Schnall, Chairman, President and Co-Chief Executive Officer, commented, "Our 2006 operating results are reflective of a continued deterioration in the mortgage lending environment. Despite the fact that we have virtually no sub-prime credit exposure, we have experienced a marked increase in the number of early payment defaults of the Alt-A loans originated in our mortgage lending segment. This has resulted in an unprecedented high level of loan repurchases and credit losses totaling $7.4 million over the second half of 2006. This pressure, compounded by our lack of sufficient scale to achieve profitability in this very challenging market, further validates our decision to exit the mortgage lending business.

Allison and bfatz,
Whenever I return to visit the few remaing relatives in Middlesex and Hampshire counties I'm bewildered by the development patterns as well. It has taken a century to double population and recently population has declined. In 2007 approximately 2.4 million units for 6.4m people. What's wrong with that picture? Too many houses being supported by too few occupants. What's happening to MA housing is what will happen to Social Security in a few decades.

Question to the group - I seem to remember that Bernanke has stated that he will support the dollar before he supports the US housing market.

Does anyone else remember that?

With regard to all the people buying homes at current prices and the RE agent commenting that things are turning around, reminds me of the old P. T. Barnum expression - "a fool and his money are soon parted".

It's tough to be the next dance act when the last guy's big finish was to take a huge dump center stage.

ROTFL for 5 minutes after reading that!

Jas

What is your proof of this comment above:

"BTW, the economy is in recession right now. Bernanke and Paulsen are managing the Economic Crisis Center. They were fully expecting the crisis and here we are."

I seem to remember that Bernanke has stated that he will support the dollar before he supports the US housing market.

That sounds more like something someone may have said about him.

Thank you Anthony.
There is a lot of liquidity in a few hands now (esp compared to 9/11), still the previous gush suggests that should things turn further down, the Fed has that nozzle as a backup...the somewhat unfair picture of Helicopter Ben and debasing the currency (further than the current Euro style estimate of our inflation rate; estimates of M3) is getting more plausible by the day (compared to the "tightening, inflation fighting Ben").

SD,

I don't remember that and I'd be very surprised if Bernanke ever said that. The Fed's dual mandate is clear: maintain price stability and full employment.

locally, i am just not seeing any of this in dc proper.

trust me, i'm looking hard for it.

i email my mortgage broker guys all the time. i email my builder friends, developer friends, brokers everyone.

title companies are busy.

mortgage broker guy said only change for him thus far (and i say thus far) is that he can't do 100% stated sub 640 any more.

my construction business is doubling in volume this year.

odd. so very odd.

"Soylent Greenspan" I like that!!

Well, trust dc1000's micro-bubble in "dc proper" (to be explicated later for punishingly inquiring minds) to be indeflatible.

""a fool and his money are soon parted".
SD"

please rephrase it:
"a fool and his foolish lenders money are soon parted"

which part requires explanation my dearest nemesis calmo?

"Whenever I return to visit the few remaing relatives in Middlesex and Hampshire counties I'm bewildered by the development patterns as well. "

Also bewildering is the constant claims that prices are high in MA because it's too hard and too expensive to build--not enough land, too many regulations, blah blah, and yet, suddenly, when there's money to be made, thousands of new units appear as if by magic!

"The US econo-political system is fully controlled by bankers and financiers, aka Bankrupters and Fraudsters, of New York City...Baby Bush is just a front man who could get elected by acting as a good Christian"

Yeesh, "New York bankers and finaciers"--that's old-school Klan-speak for Jews and the "Jewish money conspiracy". Give it a rest.

regarding dc1000

not being in construction, I can only observe building is still going pretty good here in northern Utah. I talked to a builder this morning about some tree work, she is putting up units and doing fine. lots of farm ground being converted to housing here. but homes are "only" 140K as well.

We really should not worry about Bernanke debasing our currency, according to todays numbers (82.92)-o.44
the world players will do it for us.

this is moving fast///I need a drink

Well, non-nemesis (but worthwhile contrarian) dc1000, you might tailor "dc proper" in the same way that some NYT writers have highlighted NYC luxury apartment market niche. This might give some hope that all is not doom and gloom or could provide useful information to those who can just "Be ready to write the check if you find something you like". Several million dollars may be discretionary for some readers of the NYT, but not many. It is a gentle reminder that however dire your circumstances, at least the rich are not hurting and your time may be coming too...so gentle.

dc1000...I love knowing that, with my crappy credit score, I could still get a 100% stated income loan in DC.

Like, I wouldn't even give that to me, but I could get one down there. These problems are just going to get worse.

Not to launch a revolution or anything, but if the public knew how much people who work in DC make (particularly fed jobs on the hill), they would understand why there is a permanent bubble in that venue. I imagine you need to pay that level of salary to retain them. Probably a vicious circle. Or vicious bubble.

It's funny that they mention Perris and Lake Elsinore. I'm a skydiver, and those two towns are the locations of the two biggest dropzones in the Los Angeles area. At Elsinore, the amount of building visible from the sky has been unreal. Somehow, from the ground, it's not as easy to see just how much of the desert has been turned to housing. There are vast areas that have been bulldozed into lots, waiting to be built. I've looked out the window many times and wondered who the hell is moving into these places. It takes me an hour and a half on a Saturday to get there. Are there really people commuting to LA from these places?

In the January issue of the Acoustical Society of America less formal publication "Acoustics Today" consultant Marshall Long writes about condo acoustics:

"... even with a $700,000 price tag, the noise problems were considerable. Movements of people upstairs ... were loud enough to wake them in the morning. When toilets were flushed upstairs, it sounded like a waterfall running through their walls. The closing of doors, cabinets, and drawers could all be clearly heard. ..."

"Situations such as these are increasingly common in Los Angeles, where the city building department and elected officials refuse to enforce the State's building codes on noise. Even if they were were enforced, they are so anemic that minimum code compliance does not yield a quiet living environment. [the problem building complied, though barely]"

The area that these homes in Perris are located also have some newer neighborhoods that were started in the late 80's-early 90's. They just stopped building with the last downturn. They are still building like crazy there. This is in the same neighborhood where the new Martha Stewart homes are being built. Literally right across the street to the dam for Lake Perris. Once you pass the new construction, right over the hill is all farm land. Perris is not a city I would ever live in but it is more reasonable than Riverside (which isn't saying much).

Also in DC...

"If you bought or built your primary residence (the home where you live) in the District of Columbia in 2006, you might be eligible for a one-time federal tax credit of up to $5,000 or $2,500 if married filing separately."

Nothing like subsidizing a bubble! Yeah!

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