2007 Economic Predictions

CR, I have noticed an upward spike in CPI inflation for services prior to recessions while it is currently falling. Do you have any thoughts on that?

I'm going with the models and CR.

With the administration about to announce its new revised plans for Iraq this bit made me think about the economist's role in guiding that soon to be announced policy:

The one exception for this data series was the mid '60s when the Vietnam buildup kept the economy out of recession.

Last nail-biting thing: what is this "mind" thing, if it is not "models"? What arsenal is Leamer counting on that warrants this lofty title and yet cannot be configured as a model? Intuition is just for house-wives, yes?

Calmo, Leamer is probably reluctant to make the call because he doesn't yet see any "spillover" from housing into personal consumption, and the consumer is king.

That seems odd to me because in California, Leamer's stomping grounds, the only employment growth in this cycle has come from construction, construction-related finance and retail.

As CR has shown in his graphs, construction employment will soon begin falling off a cliff. CR says within the next six months. I think sooner (4 months) because of the correlation between starts and employment in the most recent housing data.

IMO, the coming subprime implosion will drop the dime on this cycle.

Recessions almost always occur at the beginning of each decade, shortly followed by central bank easing. The world economy moves into a recovery phase with rising interest rates. There is always a mid-cycle, or as it usually happens, a mid-decade slowdown, which often stops central bank tightening. "It is after this mid-cycle slowdown that an asset bubble of some kind then begins to build," Mr. Zhao said. "Financial manias and bubbles begin to gather force toward the end of each decade, setting the stage for a climatic drop either at the end of each decade or the beginning of the new one." Mania candidates this time around? Equities, the energy sector, emerging markets and China, Mr. Zhao said.

About time for mania or bubble, BCA says

I think the most interesting question at this point is the whole inflation/deflation/interest rate debate. Paul Kasriel makes an interesting point that the interest rate cuts during an economic slowdown or recession can lead to inflation in the aftermath... a good reason for arguing t-note and t-bond yields may go up if the economy slows dramatically this year:

http://web-xp2a-pws.ntrs.com/content//media/attachment/data/econ_research/0605/document/ec050306.pdf

That said, my feeling at this point is that a recession resulting from a major real estate bust could be a different matter - the ensuing shock to the lending industry and consumer creditworthiness (not to mention the desire to borrow) if a large number of big loans go bad could cause a longer lived velocity dropoff in the financial system.

I think there's merit to the argument that if people and institutions are badly burned by credit in a way they haven't been before, then the mechanismims for pumping liquidity into the economy could become much less effective.

The traditional inflationary pop out of an economic slowdown might end up being not so traditional.

re oil; if the dollar continues to slide, the price of oil will rise, putting a floor under inflation.

And then Dr. Bernanke will have to earn his living. Smile

we always see charts depicting some data correlated with recessions; keep in mind that a recession is typically in place for 6 months before it's officially declared.

So the Fed's game is to deny deny deny, and when they are forced to acknowledge it and use the 'r' word, they will claim to see a quick rebound and light at the end of the tunnel.

The outlook is always rosey at the fed.

I won't mind being wrong, and I hope everyone has a great 2007!

That is why I love your blog. I don't mind being wrong either but I'd like to at least flesh out the details in the process... you always do that and more.

I believe that sometimes being wrong for the right reasons is a better exercise than being lucky & right but having had just 'guessed right'.

Having said all that I agree with all most all you write on this post - about oil being lower, housing continuing to decline, over all the economy slowing and about the Fed being slow to catch on to the 'risks'.

But I do NOT believe we will have a recession in 2007 - not officially - though I am pretty certain it will feel like one for my industry... mfg.

The only other blog I read as religiously as this one is Setser's and everything he says is more hot money flowing in from Asia & OPEC (and even lower oil at say $45-50/bbl is WAY above production cost in the Gulf & Russia resulting way more reserve growth their... China more reserve growth also... it all has to go somewhere).

I think the big story next year will be the stress in the global financial system as the point sources of this liquidity gradually realize how much their principal is at risk betting on the US consumer & try to work their way out... back themselves out of the ditch.

Eventually it will have a serious effect but it won't have a DIRECT effect on our economy until after 2007, maybe much after - until they have an option other than to continue keeping on (buying USD denominated assets to keep their currency weak to assure their export competitiveness).

I've been wrong so often betting AGAINST liquidity & saying the end is near... that it would be the ultimate irony that this time I would be wrong again (that a credit crunch recession would actually occur in 2007). But I just don't see it happening given the flood of hot money.

And obviously I don't mind being wrong either or I'd keep my fingers off the keyboard.

Have a great year CR & all - even you patrick.

I know what you are saying about the red flag, but the Fed seems to think that the Economy will rebound and that inflation is still a threat. I certainly am aware that the Fed can make mistakes but looking at the Mall's at Christmas time and the full resturants, not to mention the warmer weather throughout the country (bring oil prices lower)I think it is entirly possible that we miss a recessio

CR,

I've been lurking more lately, but I read you each day. I love when people take positions and provide rationales. Thanks. Having said that, I think in this case the conventional wisdom is largely correct regarding a recession. There is a ton of liquidity sloshing around and I still think you understimate just how quickly people/companies/capital/the economy as a whole reacts in this information age. No that doesn't mean we've killed the business cycle, merely that this set of facts, specifically the real estate slowdown, will be enough this time around. Of course as usual, we'll see!

Um, apparently there are two bankers. I'm the little b. Smile

CR, i think for the most part your forecast is quite sound... but i think the biggest monkeywrench is the interest rate call...

the reason i say that is the 1 year US Dollar Index chart...

$USD - SharpCharts Workbench : StockCharts.com

as you can see, the dollar has taken a beating since the 50 and 200 day MAs crossed back in May... if they lowered rates at the short end of the curve, i think we'll get closer to testing the support levels at 80... we came close before, but i think a rate cut will make it even more likely...

But will the housing bust be enough to take the general economy into recession?

Barry's nice piece for Mauldin showed how housing was the key to pulling us out of the last recession. Take housing away and what's left to stop us from going back in?

Really folks, what's so hard about this??

IMO, we're already in a recession and we're headed for a depression. The signs are everywhere and shining brighter than the Las Vegas strip at midnight.

When in the history of human kind have we had a recession when business profits—the mother's milk of the economy and the stock market—are rising by 25 to 30 percent?

Poor scared bears.

LK (Patrick), that one's easy. 1929.

For how long can business profits rise by 25% when the underlying economy is growing at 2% ?

Poor delusional bulls.

mp, You don't even have to go back to 1929.

Domestic non-financial corporate profits were up 39% YoY in Q2 1981, and then the worst recession since the Depression started in Q3 1981.

Profits were up strong in 1959, and a recession started in Q2 1960.

So perhaps LK was being sarcastic and was actually arguing that profits are not a good leading indicator.

Best Wishes.

well gee LK, have you ever considered we that two things are going on to raise profits:

offshoring of labor and production to lower cost producers - screw the domestic jobs that are being lost

share buybacks (which inflate EPS, screw net income and actual income growth - those are such aracne concepts)

so in other words, have you even bothered to check if your data has been skewed by these two important changes in the econ landscape?

as you can see, the dollar has taken a beating since the 50 and 200 day MAs crossed back in May... if they lowered rates at the short end of the curve, i think we'll get closer to testing the support levels at 80... we came close before, but i think a rate cut will make it even more likely...

The weird thing about all this is the lower the dollar goes the MORE liquidity it brings in to the country... if the FCBs behave like they have up to now (currency manipulation mode).

Why?

Because the PBoC, BoJ & all the little Asian Tigers see the dollar tanking and instead of saying... "Gee the USD sucks, we better get out of it!" say instead "Holy Cow - how many more @#%&* dollars we gotta buy to stabilize that @#%&* thing!!!"

FCBs don't buy USD denominated assets to make a profit on the dollar - they buy those assets to maintain their weak currency so they can continue to export.

If the dollar falls far enough watch the EU and BoE step in too.

So in that respect - that declining dollar chart could be construed as a BULLISH indicator for SOME dollar denominated asset - we just don't know which ones (MBS, treasuries, equities, etc.)

This whole thing has become 'Economics Through the Looking Glass'...

"So perhaps LK was being sarcastic and was actually arguing that profits are not a good leading indicator."

Well said, CR. Sorry, I'm got a hair trigger today.

so in other words, have you even bothered to check if your data has been skewed by these two important changes in the econ landscape?

tframe - I'm not standing up for patrick but have you asked yourself what is it going to take to change that landscape you described?

I've been asking that question for years now, while I keep slogging off across the same nearly unchanging economic landscape day after day - like hitch hiking across the Great Plains (some thing I did exactly once in the late 70s).

Profits from multi-national corporate labor arbitrage coupled to hyper-consumer demand driven by the excess liquidity resulting from foreign central bank currency manipulation is proving to be one mother of a persistent economic landscape.

What's gonna stop it? Even tougher question is when?

As I see it, the extraordinary degree of manic, speculative activity in SFR housing is best illustrated by the unprecedented level in turnover of existing homes that has been brought to our attention on several occasions by CR. Given the costly, complex and time consuming process that buying or selling a home entails, this explosion in turnover can only be explained as a manifestation of a widespread and deeply-entrenched belief in the inevitable profitability of home ownership. Unlike prior speculative bubbles in stocks or even tulips, this mania has been much more democratic in its scope – embracing a broad demographic of individuals many of who have no conscious speculative inclinations and believe they are simply doing what any industrious, financially responsible citizen should do to participate in the benefits of our “ownership society.” 2007 will bring the first phase of general disillusionment, and will mark the beginning of a severe recession that no one will have difficulty recognizing. Subsequent years will bring economic turmoil and political repercussions that are presently unthinkable. The bottom line is that Americans are sore losers -- and that the kind of division of wealth propagated by Reaganomics and its bipartisan aftermath is much easier to sustain in countries like Russia where the concept of serfdom is deeply ingrained in the national psyche. This century’s Huey Long is waiting in the wings, and the dish he will be serving up to the smug, sneering sociopaths on the corner of Broad and Wall will make crow look positively appetizing.

mp, let me expand - just in case someone thinks I'm cherry picking:

Overall profits were up strong (18%) in Q2 1981.

Domestic industry profits were up strong (28%) in Q2 1981.

Domestic nonfinancial profits were up strong (39%) in Q2 1981.

The recession started in Q3 1981.

Best Wishes.

mp, and now for Q3 2006 profits:

Overall profits up 16%.

Domestic industry profits up 21%.

Domestic nonfinancial profits up 39%.

Of course economists use "domestic nonfinancial profits" - and that is an apple to apple comparison.

Best to all.

"What's gonna stop it? Even tougher question is when?"

Dryfly, the impending subprime meltdown is a good candidate. In the hot markets, foreclosure discounts will rise as the foreclosure rates increase. This will drag down comparables for appraisal purposes. It's a back of the envelope calculation. We can forecast what the numbers will look like.

Shortly before Christmas, the Fed issued a memo about the systemic risk. Subprimes are going to cause a major liquidity problem in the consumer sector. That's one of my predictions for 2007.

"..."...coupled to hyper-consumer demand driven by the excess liquidity resulting from foreign central bank currency manipulation is proving to be one mother of a persistent economic landscape."

Dryfly seems to be right so far, but as MEW fades away, won't we move away from the Virtuous Cycle and into the Vicious Cycle that CR described a couple of years ago? Fewer purchases using MEW, less CB funds to recycle and maybe lowered velocity of money.

I just talked to lawyer friend - works for a public agency - wife a well-paid professional. I was describing the MEW undergirding of the current economy and he said he'd been living on MEW - used it to add a room and for ongoing expenses. This is coastal CA and maybe this is common at all income levels (except the very top).

4shzl pointed out the increased participation in the "ownership society." We also appear to have increased participation in the "speculative society." Check out the late-night infomercials on house flipping targetting folks with perhaps below median incomes. The pain is going to hit some that are least able to bear it.

Dryfly, there's a lot of noise out there.

It should be understood by all that I'm not predicting the apocalypse or the second coming which, according to a recent poll, 25% of Americans are expecting this year.

I'm just saying that 2007 is going to be another shakeout, a nasty one.

FredW, a lot of consumers won't be able to access MEW this year, particularly the ones with high LTVs. They won't be able to refinance. There's going to be a lot of consumer bankruptcies and jingle mail.

In the heretofore hot urban markets comps will fall, and that will also hurt the rest of the market.

There's a credit crunch coming, and the ironic thing is that, as Dryfly says, the world is sloshing in liquidity.

I'm just saying that 2007 is going to be another shakeout, a nasty one.

I can see that - especially for those who are heavily leveraged into RE or work in RE or RE related industry.

My point is that the whole economy doesn't go negative until the gas stops getting poured on the fire... not that folks aren't going to get burned. Lotsa folks will get burned.

And I don't see when or how this situation changes without a fundamental change somewhere that effects liquidity overall.

And as per FredW's point about MEW... it has been a good vehicle for 'distributing liquidity' but I'm pretty sure its NOT the only ride that will get us there. I'd bet that if liquidity is still out there then our 'financial engineers' will figure out a way to get it in play. We seem to be very good at that.

There's a credit crunch coming, and the ironic thing is that, as Dryfly says, the world is sloshing in liquidity.

That's it exactly.

A day of reckoning is coming as it comes to all mega-credit cycles... question is when and what it will look like. Focusing on the symptoms (dot.bomb, RE boom/bust, etc.) is to miss the disease. There could be a whole lotta money to be made before its over or it might end with tomorrow's market open - who really knows.

I can't even begin to read it because I can't fully understand the motives of some of the key market participants - the FCB officials. Who knows what marching orders they have. Political, social & economic motives all mixed together.

At least that's my take.

"I'd bet that if liquidity is still out there then our 'financial engineers' will figure out a way to get it in play. We seem to be very good at that."

Dryfly, I agree. Like the man said, it's the only game in town, so they've got to fix it. They, whoever the hell 'they' are, had better get started, because a large slice of the consumer sector is going to need a financial transfusion.

UCLA Anderson isn't going to talk about this. After all, Wachovia and Coldwell-Banker are two of their major sponsors. You certainly don't bite the hand that feeds you.

You certainly don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Not more than once anyway.

dryfly, I don't see a credit crunch on the horizon yet - and that was one of the reasons I was hesitating about making a recession call. I would have liked to wait a few more months, but there is something about year end forecasts!

Look at all the leveraged M&A including private equity. And the Small and mid-size institutions that have loaded up on CRE and C&D loans. Money is definitely flowing freely.

Best Wishes.

CR, Dryfly, I don't foresee the end of the world as we know it, but I do see liquidity problems in the consumer sector.

LK and CR on domestic non-financial profits got me to thinking about one of Rob Parenteau's latest think pieces. Here's the link:

http://courses.umass.edu/econ804/Parenteau.pdf

He goes straight for the jugular. CR, this topic might be too controversial for you, but it would sure look great in some of your graphs. Dryfly, this one is worth chewing on for days and days.

oh no, CR, we agree on everything.

In Connecticut some interesting News;

A large mortgage company which in 2001 has a handful of employees expanded to over 1000 and opened a large new building in the state has announced massive layoffs.

Reasons? Large decline in applications.

Then there is the quaint possiblity that economics and capitalism as we known it have ended.

It is supposed to be a fact that when your predictions based on your theories and models consistantly fail, then the basic assumptions are wrong.

CR,
I've noticed many of the posts, particularly the bullish contrarians, argue points using lagging indicators as one should use leading indicators.
Would it be possible to list out some critical leading, concurrent and lagging indicators by classification and assess the current status?
Instead of reinventing economic analysis for our own ends, we could then argue our conclusions.
I am sure you had something better to do today, but it could be a fun exercise.

My guess is that the price of gasoline will rise significanttly this year. This is because the overall consumption of oil has been flat since 2004. We have made 'room' for the growth in gasoline consumption by cutting heavy oil cnsumption. It looks to me we've gone to that well about as far as we can. We will need to destroy the demand of 100,000 to 200,000 barrels of gasoline a day.

Feel free to go to the EIA.DOE.GOV to confirm the facts in my heuristic argument.

Not only is liquidity showing no signs of drying up yet, if anything it's accelerating. The only financial market showing any distress is sub-prime mortgages - other high risk areas like emerging markets are starting the year in an absolute feeding frenzy. That being said, I had the misfortune of being put in charge of a small money market desk in Singapore right as the Asian crisis hit, and it is truly stunning how quickly and badly this sort of credit frenzy ends. Of course, the million dollar question for this cycle is when? I'll hazard a guess and say Q2/07, after the current glut of investor cash is finished being (badly) put to work is when the distress will start.

I understand the liquidity issue, in that there is alot of cash looking for a home, hence the low rates, money flow into equities etc. The only thing I don't understand is how that money gets into the hands of the consumer to spend (which drives our economy).

There are only two ways I know of for the average joe to get his hands on more money.

1) through payraises at his current job and a job upgrade increasing income.

2) through borrowing.

1 either usually means inflation and thus higher rates short term rates.

2 means that long rates will have to drop from current levels to even have a hope of increased borrowing.

Under what possible scenario could more money get into joe's hands to continue to drive consumption growth?

Here's a list of leading indicators comprising the ECRI WLI:

Initial jobless claims (currently not bearish)
Mortgage applications (currently bullish)
M2 (bullish)
JOC-ECRI commodities (rising prices = bullish)
Stock prices (bullish)
Corporate bond yields (bullish)
Risk spread between Treasury and corporate bonds (bullish)

As a result, in my opinion, a recession call cannot be made yet.

A couple of points on profits. I dont know of any recession where corporate profits went up double digits. The point CR made was that profits can do very well right up to the point the recession starts, then reverse. Unfortunately good earnings expectations data only exists back to the early 1980's so can't test it against a long series of past recessions. However, I would expect that analysts will be cutting their estimates fast and hard b4 we slip into a recession. Currently the total earnings on the S&P 500 are expected to climb by 9.8% and the median firm in the 500 is expected to see a 12.8% growth rate in 2007. So far little evidence of widespread estimate cuts, and earnings have cosnisitently come in ahead of forecasts in recent quarters (usually about 3.5 positive surprises for every disapointment). For S&P 500 stocks a weak $ will help earnings since most have significant overseas revenues and would thus see translation gains. That being said, where I would disagree with CR is on the world economy slowing. I think the rest of the world grows better than the U.S. this year. Europe is starting to pick up, Japan is back on its feet. China is not going to slow significantly b4 the 2008 Olympics and India just posted its best quarterly growth since it decided to join the real economic world. The govt there is intent on having at least a 9% CAGR over the next five years and the talk is about boosting it to double digits. I think world growth keeps the price of oil at least stable if not a slight upward bias. Most likely case is a trading range scenario on oil. Lower relative growth plus the trade deficit plus the likelyhood of interest rate cuts here and increases in Europe/UK/Japan means the dollar is headed south. Big question is how fast. Nobody really wants to see a plunge, but there is a big advantage to being the first through the door. As for the U.S. economic growth I think Goldielocks is going to need a sweater. Not a full recession, but decidedly slower than the consensus forecast of 2.5-3.0% growth. Fed more likely to cut than increase, but not until 2Q at earliest. Housing decline is about half over. Just look at the housing starts chart, the bottom of every housing cycle since Ike has been below 1M. We will get there this time also. I think the decline in the $ will result in long term rates headed upwards, but not to dramatically. The net result though is that we end 07 with a more normally shaped yield curve. Inflation should not be to bad, unless the decline in the dollar is faster and sharper than I think it will be. Stocks should do ok in 07, particularly the first half. The market tends to do well through May historically. We are in the 3rd year of the prez cycle and the market has been up in each 3rd year since the Kennedy/Johnson cycle (maybe even further back than that, just didnt check) and by double digits in every time but one. Futhermore stocks are cheap relative to other major assets (bo

"Conventional opinion currently holds that a US housing contraction is likely to be self-contained and self-correcting. A Post Keynesian analysis along the lines developed above argues nothing could be further from the truth. Betting the ranch is usually not a low risk proposition, in the case of the recent US expansion, this is likely to hold true in spades." from the Parenteau paper that MP linked to above. His arguments seem persuasive - a tsunami is coming.

The only thing I don't understand is how that money gets into the hands of the consumer to spend (which drives our economy).

It happens mostly via your route #2 - increased borrowing.

While route #1 (income 'trickle down') certainly occurs, the biggest impact to the economy is via credit expansion.

You understand how the FCBs buy the debt & drive down rates so we can all borrow 'cheaply'. This is how credit cards finance their offerings to us.

What also happens is that low rates make it possible for mfgrs facing sluggish demand to increase sales via promotion. They roll the borrowing up into the terms of a specific purchase.

This is important to them because if they just rely on the credit card industry to provide liquidity - that still doesn't mean THEIR stuff gets sold - so they try to couple the credit necessary to close the deal directly to their offerings.

For example - during the holidaze I saw promos for plasmas... zero down, zero interest rate & zero payments until 2009. Neither the mfgr nor the retailer have the kind of cash sitting around to float the cost of this over three years all by themselves... but thanks to low rates & flooded capital markets their bank does.

Their bank (or even a separate finance arm of the retailer or mfgr) can 'package' a bunch of this debt as 'collateralized debt obligation' bonds & sell them on the secondary market just like the credit card companies do... paying a surprisingly low yield to the investor buying the bonds because there is so much demand out there trying to buy debt...

Ultimately they pay the investor from a combination of margin allocation from the initial sale & the eventual revenue stream from the consumer payments - assuming the consumer does eventually pay off the debt... a big 'if'.

A transaction like this in effect becomes a no doc liar loan taken out at the check out counter by the consumer, tied to a secondary debt market offering somewhere far, far away. The mfgr, retailer & their bank/fin dept. are in effect the 'originators'.

I mean this is exactly how auto mfgrs were able to 'offer' seven year zero down, zero interest loan promotions on $40K SUVs - the capital markets are so flush with cash... making rates so cheap... it was almost too easy. Resulted in them stealing demand from the future big time - which is biting them in the ass now.

But it sure worked great for a while.

GM made more money doing this kind of thing via GMAC than they did making cars... and it was & is all possible due to excess liquidity. It sure wasn't that painless back in the early 80s when rates were 12-15%.

Any way, the end result is no different from a macro economic 'consumption' perspective than if the money was deposited directly in your account like a regular loan.

It can't go on forever but it doesn't have to end immediately either.

Hey guys, lighten up!

FredW, I don't know if I'd call it a financial tsunami, whatever that is, but I suppose it's possible, sure. A lot of things are possible. It depends on how the Fed responds as the problem matures.

My expectation is we're going to end up with this decade's sequel to the S&L crisis. That's not a cheery outcome, but it isn't the end of the world as we know it.

What prompted me to post Parenteau's article earlier in this thread was the talk about the level of profits, liquidity, and bubble-blowing. Parenteau addresses them. His paper also talks about a lot of Dryfly's concerns.

It looks like a great paper mp - the pdf is on the HD drive now waiting to be chewed on.

Wink

The Parenteau paper referenced by mp was great. Here's the link for those who didn't get to it the first time:

403 Forbidden Parenteau.pdf

Following dryfly's logic, more of the economy will SOON start to go the way of the domestic auto manufacturers -- i.e. into deep trouble. The no interest loans and so forth just postpone the day of reckoning, and these incentives are not new to the current business cycle. They have been around for a few years, and it's time for people to pay up. No external event is needed to bring about a recession, and no new loan scheme can stop it.

Foreign central banks will no doubt continue to subsidize the U.S. consumer by propping up the U.S. dollar, but this will just encourage consumers to spend more on imported goods as opposed to high priced domestic goods and services. And so wages will resume their downward trend, and disposable income will follow and this vicious cycle will command the attention of the public.

At that point, not too far off, stocks will be dead in the water...

As Detroit Dan said, then you've got a vicious cycle. CR has written about it extensively, and it's worth re-reading. A key element of the vicious cycle is a higher interest rate. That's one possible path.

A key element of the vicious cycle is a higher interest rate. That's one possible path.

But that is what is so crazy about the current system... the FCBs in their effort to manipulate their WEAK currency exchange rate continue to buy our debt and keeping long term interest rates LOW.

I realize they aren't being rational actors from our 'profit motive' perspective - but it makes PERFECT sense from a social economic engineering perspective if your goal is to 'buy jobs'... which at least up until now is the way they looked at it.

That is why it is so hard for us to understand why they buy MORE of our debt even as our dollar continues to fall. Why would anyone willingly buy into a 'losing proposition'?

The question is how long will they be willing or even able to pay the price to 'support the dollar'. That I have no clue.

It's just nuts.

mp, many thanks for the paper... as someone with a bachelor's in econ, i think it makes some great reading so far (i just started reading)...

as someone who has worked at a top 5 bank for 5 years and now have colleagues at federal regulatory agencies, i can tell you some of the local districts of the Fed are very interested in understanding how banks stress test/model liquidity risk events... subprime/alt-a mortgages are only part of what they are concerned about... to paraphrase a comment i've heard befor from a regulator, if a top 5 bank burns through its capital cushion, the fdic insurance fund is an after-dinner mint

The buying of jobs by the foreign central banks is eating away at the disposable income of their customers in the U.S.

Perhaps we'll have 2 vicious cycles -- one after the other. The first vicious cycle will be driven by the decline in disposable income caused by chronic bleeding of jobs to other countries. Only when this is fairly well developed will the dollar start to fall and interest rates rise, compounding the problems of an already weak economy.

I think we're making "good progress" on this scenario, as housing has collapsed and the MEW borrowing, which has masked the weakening disposable income situation, has fallen dramatically...

"The models say 'recession'; the mind says 'no way.' I'm going with the mind."

-- Its not called the dismal science for nothing, lol

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