If you haven't seen this, must viewing! Black says the bankers have committed fraud.
<a href="http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html">Bill Moyers (PBS) Journal: with William K. Black, the former senior regulator who cracked down on banks during the savings and loan crisis of the 1980s. </a>
Isn't that wonderful news with home owner foreclosures starting back up and just in time to join the CRE melt down. It just can't get any better than that. CR the charts should getting easier to make with everyhting head in the same way. Sad, well back out to the garden.
jo6pac
I have to agree 'I Heart CRbot'... the multiple mirroring of comments is a bit crazy here. Sad too since so much of the value of this blog is the comments.
I also can't help suspect that some of the js-kit problems might be related to the bots. How many hits does the 'HALO'ing of each thread take? Are they polling? It wouldn't shock me if the majority of hits on js-kit are bots.
(My appoligies if the bots are using a non-polling algorythm and are getting events from js-kit.)
sportsfan -- glad you liked the music. Pandora is a great resource.
OregonGuy -- I have had good luck with USBank. A feature they have that I like is linking the checking and VISA accounts so that I can make a credit card payment online and the funds are credited to my bill immediately. I'm not sure how many other banks offer that, but my impression is that online bill-pay usually involves the bank mailing a check, which obviously I could do myself...
On the 31st, Freddy & Fannie were paid $46-billion by FedGov, right? Now they just paid out $50-million in bonuses and another $200-million still to go?
It won't ever stop until the money is gone - just like AIG - just like the banks - just like the States - just like the pension plans - just like the no more cash cow SSI Revenue - just like the auto makers - just like Medicare & Meds - just like the armed forces bases around the world . . . . . . . . . . .
r
There are two local banks that are candidates for a future Friday announcement - one of which , Cape Fear Bank (CAPE), as been mentioned by CR in the past. Local fishwrap headline reads "Cape Fear Bank says survival in doubt. Apparently CAPE used brokered deposits to fund insider RE projects (Privitize profits,socialize losses) and a 2/24 cease and dedist order shut off this source of funding.
The other firm is Cooperative Bankshares the parent of Cooperative Bank which is also under a cease and desist order . Cooperative has announced it will report "a loss substantially higher than it had previously predicted".
I suspect failures of small regional banks which ,in essence, are funding vehicles for a select group of developers will increase greatly in coming months. Theree is nothing special in Wilmington NC that is not replicated whereever there was a building boom.
Jim in Portland - yeah, I caught that interview last night. It kind of fell apart at the end, when it could have been a "Mad as Hell" finish. Black's action items continue to leave it up to the PTB. Would rather he had action items for Joe Sixpack to light a fire under the PTB.
RE: Freckless Ness and the relance on the Powers that Be (PTB)
YES! I think his point was right on about how we won't recover untill the people that caused the mess are replaced. He didn't make the next logical leap... relying on the PWB to 'appoint' replacements.
If Congress is going to act, I would like to see them act to give more power to shareholders. The shareholders are the first and biggest losers so far. It's likely that Citibank shareholders will be wipped out... yet they have little power to replace the people who bankrupted the company and no say in the nonimating of new people to take over. They have no direct say on pay.
Most shareholders are long term buy and hold types. who IMHO would have a longer term view/focus than short term casino CEO/boards. Give them more power.
Does it make sense to have comments posted in three places, resulting in only being able to see comments in the one place you are viewing? No other blog I'm aware of has such a messed up commenting 'system'.
Damn Commie. Ever hear of "freedom of choice"? We're cutting edge. Soon every blog will have multiple commenting sections divided by a common language! If you think this is bad, I hear Broward is planning on opening up a fourth front on our assault on your sensibilties.
As several others have pointed out, the moratorium on foreclosures will be revived, perhaps quietly, if it hasn't already. Populist politicians now make the most important decisions on our nation's lending, for good or for ill.
so there is this japanese TV channel : NHK World, amazing world coverage in English. Right now they show documentary on Chinese market reforms. Just in 1993 the sale of electronic goods was illegal and you had to have a special coupon to purchase TV, VCR, etc.
So market system kicked in and we all now about changes that has happened there. Maybe, just maybe it is too early to proclaim the death of market capitalism.
Um... I don't understand why people are complaining about too many options to view the comments.
You do know, of course, that the Haloizer posted its comments directly back to JS-kit, and all its messages were retrieved from JS-kit (on a 30 second cache).
You also know, of course, that the CRCizer had its own separate database which allowed it to act as a standalone comment system, but also synchronized comments both ways. Meaning that comments posted to JSkit would appear on CRCizer, and the comments posted to CRCizer would also get posted back to JS-kit, thereby maintaining a synchronous view of the comments on all sites, but allowing it to continue to function if JSkit went down for whatever reason.
The only comment system that doesn't post its comments back to JSkit is the new drupal based Hoocoodanode, but why bother when you have a guarantee that you'll be the system to replace jskit.
So any complaints about comments not getting posted back to maintain a consistent view of comments should be directed at Hoocoodanode, since everything I've done or contributed to has not had that problem.
However, I do think you guys will not have too much longer to complain, since haloizer is definitely not getting ported. CRbot will not get ported. CRCizer may or may not get ported, we'll see.
By the way, the bot polls JSkit very gently, and it is not JSkits primary problem. JSkit's problem is managing scale, since they are not just providing comments for CR, but also Mish and many many other sites.
It is sad that things have gotten so bad that no one can raise the anger to protest the complete abrogation of principles inherent in a moratorium. When exactly will the IRS start selectively prosecuting... oh wait. Never mind.
<i>No not all those institutions, instead, "flash banking." We need to target just one at a time. And don't pull accounts. There are too many restrictions. Just withdraw a few hundred in cash and put a strain on their ability to continue to claim solvency. </i>
What restrictions? Yeah, so it takes a week or so to move everything and get new checks.... Open the new account and then begin to transfer when you are ready. I'm moving to Farmers & Merchants Bank from BofA. As long as you have money at one of the "too big to fail" crowd, they are making money on you. They don't like those compensation restrictions? Damn, that's really too bad.
Vote with your wallet. It's the only vote that counts.
I've been suggesting this since Paulson's first bailout made it through the House on the 2nd try.
They're scared to death of a bank run. And it's a relatively painless way to register a protest. Who knows? It might even force the bankster-loving Treasury Department to do what it ought to do. And it might help some local institutions that actually contribute to their communities.
One at a time or all at once? I don't know. But if it's one, I vote for Jamie Dimon's JPM. Is there a more arrogant bastard on the planet?
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GoinSouth,
"They" can move billions with a button. "They" cannot get stacks of green to the right places fast enough when we "flash bank." Nothing like running out of money at a bank branch to send a message. Modern day bank runs can be papered over with a keyboard. No, old fashioned bank runs are the way to protest.
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"They" can move billions with a button. "They" cannot get stacks of green to the right places fast enough when we "flash bank." Nothing like running out of money at a bank branch to send a message. Modern day bank runs can be papered over with a keyboard. No, old fashioned bank runs are the way to protest. </div>
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<div class="js-singleCommentText">Sounds right. Disrupting their weekly cash need expectation would be a good tactic. I had originally suggested connecting it to something symbolic like withdrawing $7, $70 or $700 in honor of the $700 billion or giving the teller a roll of toilet paper to symbolize the trash the taxpayer was going to buy.
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The foreclosure moratoriums are effectively still in place since the GSEs will make servicers certify that a borrower is not eligible for HAMP prior to proceeding with a foreclosure sale.
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Do you really think foreclosures will go up with Timmy pimping TARP II?
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MrM,
Thank you very much for the link to the BLS PR archive ( http://www.bls.gov/schedule/archives/empsit_nr.htm )
If you haven't seen this, must viewing! Black says the bankers have committed fraud.
<a href="http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html">Bill Moyers (PBS) Journal: with William K. Black, the former senior regulator who cracked down on banks during the savings and loan crisis of the 1980s. </a>
Isn't that wonderful news with home owner foreclosures starting back up and just in time to join the CRE melt down. It just can't get any better than that. CR the charts should getting easier to make with everyhting head in the same way. Sad, well back out to the garden.
jo6pac
Does it make sense to have comments posted in three places, resulting in only being able to see comments in the one place you are viewing?
No other blog I'm aware of has such a messed up commenting 'system'.
I have to agree 'I Heart CRbot'... the multiple mirroring of comments is a bit crazy here. Sad too since so much of the value of this blog is the comments.
I also can't help suspect that some of the js-kit problems might be related to the bots. How many hits does the 'HALO'ing of each thread take? Are they polling? It wouldn't shock me if the majority of hits on js-kit are bots.
(My appoligies if the bots are using a non-polling algorythm and are getting events from js-kit.)
and this will probably lead to an increase in foreclosures for April....
and May, June and the mid-term future.....
Two quick thoughts from previous thread:
sportsfan -- glad you liked the music. Pandora is a great resource.
OregonGuy -- I have had good luck with USBank. A feature they have that I like is linking the checking and VISA accounts so that I can make a credit card payment online and the funds are credited to my bill immediately. I'm not sure how many other banks offer that, but my impression is that online bill-pay usually involves the bank mailing a check, which obviously I could do myself...
It won't take long and the moratorium will be put back in place as the politicians start screaming.
On the 31st, Freddy & Fannie were paid $46-billion by FedGov, right? Now they just paid out $50-million in bonuses and another $200-million still to go?
It won't ever stop until the money is gone - just like AIG - just like the banks - just like the States - just like the pension plans - just like the no more cash cow SSI Revenue - just like the auto makers - just like Medicare & Meds - just like the armed forces bases around the world . . . . . . . . . . .
This was just the scheduled end of the moratorium - and this will probably lead to an increase in foreclosures for April. - CR
I give it 10 business days before either an explicit moratorium extension or an implicit (wink-wink) internal suspension is instigated.
r
There are two local banks that are candidates for a future Friday announcement - one of which , Cape Fear Bank (CAPE), as been mentioned by CR in the past. Local fishwrap headline reads "Cape Fear Bank says survival in doubt. Apparently CAPE used brokered deposits to fund insider RE projects (Privitize profits,socialize losses) and a 2/24 cease and dedist order shut off this source of funding.
The other firm is Cooperative Bankshares the parent of Cooperative Bank which is also under a cease and desist order . Cooperative has announced it will report "a loss substantially higher than it had previously predicted".
I suspect failures of small regional banks which ,in essence, are funding vehicles for a select group of developers will increase greatly in coming months. Theree is nothing special in Wilmington NC that is not replicated whereever there was a building boom.
Wilmington-based Cape Fear Bank casts doubt on its survival | StarNewsOnline.com | Star News | Wilmington, NC
Cooperative Bank expects greater losses | StarNewsOnline.com | Star News | Wilmington, NC
Jim
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Jim in Portland - yeah, I caught that interview last night. It kind of fell apart at the end, when it could have been a "Mad as Hell" finish. Black's action items continue to leave it up to the PTB. Would rather he had action items for Joe Sixpack to light a fire under the PTB.
RE: Freckless Ness and the relance on the Powers that Be (PTB)
YES! I think his point was right on about how we won't recover untill the people that caused the mess are replaced. He didn't make the next logical leap... relying on the PWB to 'appoint' replacements.
If Congress is going to act, I would like to see them act to give more power to shareholders. The shareholders are the first and biggest losers so far. It's likely that Citibank shareholders will be wipped out... yet they have little power to replace the people who bankrupted the company and no say in the nonimating of new people to take over. They have no direct say on pay.
Most shareholders are long term buy and hold types. who IMHO would have a longer term view/focus than short term casino CEO/boards. Give them more power.
CR - the comments link to Hoocoodanode.org disappeared from your site
The ban has been banned.
Does it make sense to have comments posted in three places, resulting in only being able to see comments in the one place you are viewing? No other blog I'm aware of has such a messed up commenting 'system'.
Damn Commie. Ever hear of "freedom of choice"? We're cutting edge. Soon every blog will have multiple commenting sections divided by a common language! If you think this is bad, I hear Broward is planning on opening up a fourth front on our assault on your sensibilties.
This comment thread has been CRC-IZED by yagij (CRbot helped a little).
THE CRC-IZER <br/><br/><br/> And for the stubborn old-timers... it's also been HALO-IZED by CRbot.
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Ooooo, I forgot: js-kit, Hoocoodanode, CRC-Ized, and Halo-ized,...hell, we're alredy at four!
"and this will probably lead to an increase in foreclosures for April."
I thought the economy was showing signs of recovery.
As several others have pointed out, the moratorium on foreclosures will be revived, perhaps quietly, if it hasn't already. Populist politicians now make the most important decisions on our nation's lending, for good or for ill.
The Latest from Mish:
John Hancock Tower Foreclosure Sale, a 65% Haircut In 3 Years
so there is this japanese TV channel : NHK World, amazing world coverage in English. Right now they show documentary on Chinese market reforms. Just in 1993 the sale of electronic goods was illegal and you had to have a special coupon to purchase TV, VCR, etc.
So market system kicked in and we all now about changes that has happened there. Maybe, just maybe it is too early to proclaim the death of market capitalism.
The Latest from Denninger:
How Does It Feel Ben?
also, an interesting banking story :
The Banker Who Said No - Forbes.com
banker who said no. (the best example of what is wrong with TARP & alike, those programs benefit wrong FIRMS.)
Comrade de Chaos,
thnx for suggestion of NHK World
O/T: NYTimes is threatening shutdown of Boston Globe
CBC News - Media - New York Times Co. threatens to close Boston Globe, wants big cuts
Um... I don't understand why people are complaining about too many options to view the comments.
You do know, of course, that the Haloizer posted its comments directly back to JS-kit, and all its messages were retrieved from JS-kit (on a 30 second cache).
You also know, of course, that the CRCizer had its own separate database which allowed it to act as a standalone comment system, but also synchronized comments both ways. Meaning that comments posted to JSkit would appear on CRCizer, and the comments posted to CRCizer would also get posted back to JS-kit, thereby maintaining a synchronous view of the comments on all sites, but allowing it to continue to function if JSkit went down for whatever reason.
The only comment system that doesn't post its comments back to JSkit is the new drupal based Hoocoodanode, but why bother when you have a guarantee that you'll be the system to replace jskit.
So any complaints about comments not getting posted back to maintain a consistent view of comments should be directed at Hoocoodanode, since everything I've done or contributed to has not had that problem.
However, I do think you guys will not have too much longer to complain, since haloizer is definitely not getting ported. CRbot will not get ported. CRCizer may or may not get ported, we'll see.
By the way, the bot polls JSkit very gently, and it is not JSkits primary problem. JSkit's problem is managing scale, since they are not just providing comments for CR, but also Mish and many many other sites.
mortgage pig's now eating comments
It is sad that things have gotten so bad that no one can raise the anger to protest the complete abrogation of principles inherent in a moratorium. When exactly will the IRS start selectively prosecuting... oh wait. Never mind.
r
From last thread:
<i>No not all those institutions, instead, "flash banking." We need to target just one at a time. And don't pull accounts. There are too many restrictions. Just withdraw a few hundred in cash and put a strain on their ability to continue to claim solvency. </i>
What restrictions? Yeah, so it takes a week or so to move everything and get new checks.... Open the new account and then begin to transfer when you are ready. I'm moving to Farmers & Merchants Bank from BofA. As long as you have money at one of the "too big to fail" crowd, they are making money on you. They don't like those compensation restrictions? Damn, that's really too bad.
Vote with your wallet. It's the only vote that counts.
I've been suggesting this since Paulson's first bailout made it through the House on the 2nd try.
They're scared to death of a bank run. And it's a relatively painless way to register a protest. Who knows? It might even force the bankster-loving Treasury Department to do what it ought to do. And it might help some local institutions that actually contribute to their communities.
One at a time or all at once? I don't know. But if it's one, I vote for Jamie Dimon's JPM. Is there a more arrogant bastard on the planet?
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GoinSouth,
"They" can move billions with a button. "They" cannot get stacks of green to the right places fast enough when we "flash bank." Nothing like running out of money at a bank branch to send a message. Modern day bank runs can be papered over with a keyboard. No, old fashioned bank runs are the way to protest.
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"They" can move billions with a button. "They" cannot get stacks of green to the right places fast enough when we "flash bank." Nothing like running out of money at a bank branch to send a message. Modern day bank runs can be papered over with a keyboard. No, old fashioned bank runs are the way to protest. </div>
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<div class="js-singleCommentText">Sounds right. Disrupting their weekly cash need expectation would be a good tactic. I had originally suggested connecting it to something symbolic like withdrawing $7, $70 or $700 in honor of the $700 billion or giving the teller a roll of toilet paper to symbolize the trash the taxpayer was going to buy.
</div>
The foreclosure moratoriums are effectively still in place since the GSEs will make servicers certify that a borrower is not eligible for HAMP prior to proceeding with a foreclosure sale.
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