We will never know whether the claim that action was necessary within days to prevent a meltdown was necessary. By their own admission they didn't know what to do. I'm always suspicious when somebody selling me something screams "act now!"
[InterMedia Advisors] prefers to invest in the companies based in the United States and Canada. It seeks to invest between $50 million and $100 million in its portfolio companies.
From the NYTimes: Mr. Daschle reported that he had received large amounts of income from InterMedia, including more than $2 million for consulting and $182,520 in the form of company-provided transportation.
Okay, I'm not familiar with the inner workings with PE, but something tells me this ratio is not normal, especially given their portfolio.
i have a feeling that absolutely none of the real culprits of the scam will be on camera. just that authoritative monotone voice and lots of artsy shots of tickers, sprinkled with interviews of clueless econopundits and pols.
frontline is excellent, but this is a much, much higher level of criminality than they are used to covering.
This is a middle class depression, following a fake real estate bubble that trapped tons of them into servitude to the owners of RMBS- a ton of which will be fodder for walkaways.
Now, talk about pissed, well, I will never vote republican until my balance sheet is repaired.
As for wall street- they are lucky not to be strung up from lampposts.
How is that for a bad mood?
Just wait until summer, it will not improve much with high temps due to no money for cranking up the air conditioning.
frontline is excellent, but this is a much, much higher level of criminality than they are used to covering. Don't Cry for Me Tehachapi | 01.30.09 - 8:23 pm | #
They have addressed some pretty foul criminals. If this is above them, look out!
Sue (Capital S) writes:
Regarding the thing on CNBC, did I just hear somebody say, "We need regulators to schedule out losses..." What does that mean, I'm afraid to ask?
Sue (Capital S) | 01.30.09 - 8:32 pm |
Means we prefer play nice regulators, who will make the losses known slowly, on Fridays, when not too many will hear of them and when they will surely be eclipsed by some happy news on Sat. or Sun. or Mon.
50% reduction from 4 years ago...
Blackhalo | 01.30.09 - 8:31 pm | #
That would set a record, topping the 300 the airport accommodated for President George W. Bushs 2004 inaugural, an Airports Authority says in the article.
I find it interesting that the Frontline preview seems to be focusing on the past, like it's all behind us now. Jillayne | Homepage | 01.30.09 - 8:38 pm | #
You niggling naboob of negativity, of course it's all behind us!
I kind of feel cheated, I got home too late for the bank failures...I did have pizza for lunch in honor of BFF though..I am now embarking on a White Russian binge...
Jillayne, they're still hating on Krugman for the Princess thing..
Jillayne writes:
I find it interesting that the Frontline preview seems to be focusing on the past, like it's all behind us now.
.
It's like "previously on Buffy." A weekly drama and doom enhanced wrapup. The News Hour is too tame.
Interesting Times writes: Is it just me, or does Krugman always look like a deer caught in the headlights on TV? Another way of putting it: Economist caught in a depression.
Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, President Barack Obama's nominee for
the secretary of Health and Human Services, paid around $100,000 in back taxes
after his nomination to pay for a car and driver he was supplied but did not
report as income, according to documents being prepared by the Senate Finance
Committee. The issue will dominate a closed-door meeting of the committee called
for Monday afternoon.
scone I think it's all happening too fast for mainstream media.
Jillayne
.
Too fast for me, I barely have time to go potty before 300 comments whiz past.
Rob Dawg writes:
We will never know whether the claim that action was necessary within days to prevent a meltdown was necessary. By their own admission they didn't know what to do. I'm always suspicious when somebody selling me something screams "act now!"
Rob Dawg | Homepage | 01.30.09 - 8:18 pm |
Rob I know there is no particular reason to credit me any more than you would credit some random guy on the internet, but I do have some perspective on the question of whether action was necessary. The view at my firm was that if AIG was not bailed out then GS and MS would have gone bankrupt, probably immediately. We started preparing papers for that eventuality since we did not know if AIG would be bailed out.
The thinking also was that a GS and MS bankruptcy would have led to a chain of bankruptcies throughout the system and after that all bets were off.
Now, our thinking could have been wrong. But I think it was consistent with what other people in the industry and in Washington were thinking at the time. In other words, we may have been wrong, but we weren't BSing on the question of whether we thought there would be an actual meltdown.
Personally, I think that what happened after Lehman does show that additional bankruptcies of critical clearing banks would have really been a disaster.
visitor from Zendor writes:
Earthlings, your imaginations are so feeble that you cannot conceive of the doom you are about to endure.
.
Paging Margin Call... His Squidness paging Margin Call...
Personally, I think that what happened after Lehman does show that additional bankruptcies of critical clearing banks would have really been a disaster. Loudocracy | 01.30.09 - 8:50 pm | #
For the affected banks, sure. For the rest of us, maybe not.
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This is a middle class depression..
Now, talk about pissed, well, I will never vote republican until my balance sheet is repaired.
agreed
the republican party of Lincoln bears little resemblance to the party today...
republicans appear to have great disdain for almost all regulation and appear to want to see the supremacy of corporations over civil society and elected government
Rob I know there is no particular reason to credit me any more than you would credit some random guy on the internet, but I do have some perspective on the question of whether action was necessary. The view at my firm was that if AIG was not bailed out then GS and MS would have gone bankrupt, probably immediately. We started preparing papers for that eventuality since we did not know if AIG would be bailed out.
The thinking also was that a GS and MS bankruptcy would have led to a chain of bankruptcies throughout the system and after that all bets were off.
Now, our thinking could have been wrong. But I think it was consistent with what other people in the industry and in Washington were thinking at the time. In other words, we may have been wrong, but we weren't BSing on the question of whether we thought there would be an actual meltdown.
Personally, I think that what happened after Lehman does show that additional bankruptcies of critical clearing banks would have really been a disaster. Loudocracy | 01.30.09 - 8:50 pm | #
Thanks for that. There's a lot of deep experience here and kudos for sharing. I understand the idea of serial counterparty failure but net-net out those tens of trillions and the actual exposure is far less. That would have been the alternative; supervised unwinding of positions rather than backstopping and preserving positions.
"This may sound a bit ridiculous, but we think we have begun a full-blown bear market in fixed income, wrote Tom Fitzpatrick, Citigroups New York-based chief technical analyst, and London-based strategist Shyam Devani. The commodity that is going to be the most in demand as far as the eye can see is capital. As a consequence, the cost of capital can only go one way -- up.
The 30-year bonds yield may rise to 5 percent by late 2009, the highest level since August 2007, according to Citigroup. The U.S. will probably borrow $2.5 trillion this fiscal year, compared with $892 billion last year, according to Goldman Sachs Group Inc. The firms are among the 17 primary dealers that trade directly with the Federal Reserve. "
As an outsider, I always thought AIG was more about their exposure to covered bonds in Europe, that it was the European banking system that would've shut down overnight.
Loudocracy(Unrated) writes: \tIf you cant get cash out of your atm it affects you. \t Loudocracy | \t \t \t \t01.30.09 - 8:53 pm | #I love it. First the bankers lose a bunch of our money that we entrusted to them, then they threaten to take the rest of it if we don't replace their losses to cover their fuck ups.Cue up the tumbrils and the guillotines. Your arrogance will be rewarded.
briwerk writes:
The fed can guarantee that you can get money out of the ATM, just not the value of that money... etc.
I agree. However, how is throwing tons and tons of cash into failing banks making my money more safe than simply taking over a failing institution. Both cost money, but throwing cash down a hole makes my cash in pocket less meaningful.
Shift: I wasn't attempting to do anything, except for a witty paraphrase. There's no doubt in my mind that the government is making all the wrong moves. I much prefer a plan more like Denninger suggests.
At the end of the day it'll be perfect fare for the lefty whitey crowd that pays the bills for PBS. Nothing too sensational, just an overview that will show that "both sides" have dirty hands with the Republicans' hands that much dirtier. Just a hunch.
Krugman is pretty shy; it's interesting to watch him try to hold his own in a roundtable. He's getting better -- more practice lately, I guess -- but he still looks to be struggling.
The KrugHate of some around here is pretty interesting; he's got a point of view, so what? He's been pretty much right about what's been happening, or willing to accept reality at least. His prescriptions for recovery may or may not be what we need. But you can say that about anybody's. This is new territory.
"At the end of the day it'll be perfect fare for the lefty whitey crowd that pays the bills for PBS. Nothing too sensational, just an overview that will show that "both sides" have dirty hands with the Republicans' hands that much dirtier. Just a hunch.
tew | 01.30.09 - 10:49 pm | #"
How shall I say it? The Bush Administration.... embraced the darkness.
That said, Lawrence Sumner makes me want to spit up green ichor.
These TV attempts at economics are usually too superficial and sound-bite oriented to be worth my time. I can learn a lot more in an hour by reading Calculated Risk and a few of the other blogs.
Frontline is the best show on PBS.
Krugman? Jerk!
Goddamnit Nemo, How do you do that?
boogers
Jump! frracck
foist
Inside the meltdown? We are ringside: down goes Frazier.
Goddamnit Nemo, How do you do that?
I live 30 seconds ahead of the rest of the universe.
maybe
Frontline: NOW YOU CAN WAIT ALMOST A WHOLE MONTH
We will never know whether the claim that action was necessary within days to prevent a meltdown was necessary. By their own admission they didn't know what to do. I'm always suspicious when somebody selling me something screams "act now!"
A lot can happen between now and Feb 17.
So, any bets on how many more bank failures we get tonight? Or are we done?
600 private jets flew into Washington DC for the inauguration... wonder how big a carbon foot print that left???
Maybe NPR can find the details...
Is it just me, or does Krugman always look like a deer caught in the headlights on TV? Another way of putting it: Economist caught in a depression.
Some kind of shouting debate on CNBC right now, Maria hosting.
From businessweek:
[InterMedia Advisors] prefers to invest in the companies based in the United States and Canada. It seeks to invest between $50 million and $100 million in its portfolio companies.
From the NYTimes:
Mr. Daschle reported that he had received large amounts of income from InterMedia, including more than $2 million for consulting and $182,520 in the form of company-provided transportation.
Okay, I'm not familiar with the inner workings with PE, but something tells me this ratio is not normal, especially given their portfolio.
InterMedia Partners, LP | Leo Hindery, Jr. | Peter M. Kern
Daschle got $2M to advise the takeover of these companies? Plain and simple, Daschle was a lobbyist wearing a "consultant" name tag.
i have a feeling that absolutely none of the real culprits of the scam will be on camera. just that authoritative monotone voice and lots of artsy shots of tickers, sprinkled with interviews of clueless econopundits and pols.
frontline is excellent, but this is a much, much higher level of criminality than they are used to covering.
The Carl Sagan of economics.
Nice deer in the headlights look.
The real reason for fear:
This is a middle class depression, following a fake real estate bubble that trapped tons of them into servitude to the owners of RMBS- a ton of which will be fodder for walkaways.
Now, talk about pissed, well, I will never vote republican until my balance sheet is repaired.
As for wall street- they are lucky not to be strung up from lampposts.
How is that for a bad mood?
Just wait until summer, it will not improve much with high temps due to no money for cranking up the air conditioning.
Someday this war's gonna end...
Dramatic much?
Wow. Frontline does not pull punches. This should be good.
Krugman's "prince albert" is always causing him to look that way.
More Haiku!
I bleed just like you
Economic forecasts; guesses
Oh ivory tower
frontline is excellent, but this is a much, much higher level of criminality than they are used to covering.
Don't Cry for Me Tehachapi | 01.30.09 - 8:23 pm | #
They have addressed some pretty foul criminals. If this is above them, look out!
Is it just me, or does Krugman always look like a deer caught in the headlights on TV?
Push play
This thing on CNBC is actually pretty entertaining.
Just take CR's and Mish's post and put them to video.
600 private jets flew into Washington DC for the inauguration... wonder how big a carbon foot print that left???
Maybe NPR can find the details...
mwah | 01.30.09 - 8:19 pm | #
50% reduction from 4 years ago...
Nemo is one eighth Tralfamadorian
I am a Tralfamadorian, seeing all time as you might see a stretch of the Rocky Mountains. All time is all time.
Slaughterhouse-Five - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Regarding the thing on CNBC, did I just hear somebody say, "We need regulators to schedule out losses..." What does that mean, I'm afraid to ask?
This thing on CNBC is actually pretty entertaining.
Comrade Tech Sargent Chen | 01.30.09 - 8:30 pm | #
I do not pay for cable. Torrent?
Tehachapi
response in last thread
"If this is above them, look out!"
this is, by a few digits. ken lewis and jamie dimon are worse than 10,000 pablo escobars.
Sue (Capital S) writes:
Regarding the thing on CNBC, did I just hear somebody say, "We need regulators to schedule out losses..." What does that mean, I'm afraid to ask?
Sue (Capital S) | 01.30.09 - 8:32 pm |
I dunno but the shouting is pretty sweet.
NR just had a question.
The title should be "Meltdown Part I" When the bankers find out they won't be made whole at very little expense to themselves, "Meltdown Part II"
Krugman = uruk hai x hobbit
I would describe the look as "stunned mullet."
"We need regulators to schedule out losses..."
Means we prefer play nice regulators, who will make the losses known slowly, on Fridays, when not too many will hear of them and when they will surely be eclipsed by some happy news on Sat. or Sun. or Mon.
Oh stop Krugman bashing. He's cute.
"Just take CR's and Mish's post and put them to video."
Correct. How 'interesting' (honest) can it be without thier insight?
50% reduction from 4 years ago...
Blackhalo | 01.30.09 - 8:31 pm | #
That would set a record, topping the 300 the airport accommodated for President George W. Bushs 2004 inaugural, an Airports Authority says in the article.
Obama Inauguration Sets Record for Private Jets - The Wealth Report - WSJ
If the WSJ says it, it must be true
TARP is an official sponsor of the Superbowl via GE because NBC didn't get the advertising they banked on
give the NHL a cut too please
I find it interesting that the Frontline preview seems to be focusing on the past, like it's all behind us now.
I find it interesting that the Frontline preview seems to be focusing on the past, like it's all behind us now.
Jillayne | Homepage | 01.30.09 - 8:38 pm | #
You niggling naboob of negativity, of course it's all behind us!
Nemo
Frontline
word
I kind of feel cheated, I got home too late for the bank failures...I did have pizza for lunch in honor of BFF though..I am now embarking on a White Russian binge...
Jillayne, they're still hating on Krugman for the Princess thing..
Jillayne writes:
I find it interesting that the Frontline preview seems to be focusing on the past, like it's all behind us now.
.
It's like "previously on Buffy." A weekly drama and doom enhanced wrapup. The News Hour is too tame.
If the WSJ says it, it must be true
mwah | 01.30.09 - 8:38 pm | #
Could be, I know where I got my numbers...
Paul Krugman analog well at least for the snapshot in the video window
Interesting Times writes:
Is it just me, or does Krugman always look like a deer caught in the headlights on TV? Another way of putting it: Economist caught in a depression.
Interesting Times | 01.30.09 - 8:20 pm | #
LOL. I was thinking the same thing.
OT: Daschle + NPR = Turbo tax Ponzi
NEWS ALERT
from The Wall Street Journal
Jan. 30, 2009
Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, President Barack Obama's nominee for
the secretary of Health and Human Services, paid around $100,000 in back taxes
after his nomination to pay for a car and driver he was supplied but did not
report as income, according to documents being prepared by the Senate Finance
Committee. The issue will dominate a closed-door meeting of the committee called
for Monday afternoon.
Krugman is the new black.
change we can believe in!
tj,
At least you ain't claiming Nemo is a Time Lord.
Nostrovia,
scone I think it's all happening too fast for mainstream media.
Treasuries are moving into a full- blown bear market as global stimulus packages increase demand for capital, according to Citigroup Inc.
Treasuries Headed for Full-Blown Bear Market, Citigroup Says - Bloomberg.com
Gee Shittygroup Ya think? Now just why is that?
At least you ain't claiming Nemo is a Time Lord.
Comrade Misean is Dope | Homepage | 01.30.09 - 8:43 pm | #
No outing the DR.!
Evil Henry Paulson, well at least he's a bit fluffy.
EvilHenryPaulson writes:
Paul Krugman analog well at least for the snapshot in the video window
.
Teddy + Cthulhu = first order approximation.
Jillayne,
"scone I think it's all happening too fast for mainstream media."
A snail riding a three toed sloth on Valium is a twitch too fast for the MSM.
Nostrovia,
scone I think it's all happening too fast for mainstream media.
Jillayne | Homepage | 01.30.09 - 8:44 pm | #
24 Hr news can not handle it?
what a grand mess
At least you ain't claiming Nemo is a Time Lord.
Nostrovia,
Comrade Misean is Dope ...
mp, loosen the Cracken known as Conjure...
Congrats Misean, I just sprayed my White Russian on the screen...
They can air this story now because it is all contained.
Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle
mwah | 01.30.09 - 8:42 pm | #
Too many old white dems for all the appts to have worked out well. O' dodged a bullet with Tim.
I try CK...gotta make up for missing BFF.
Nostrovia,
Dear Comrade Misean is Dope,
I only wish I could listen to the blogs and comments while I'm in my car. Though that may be a bit overkill.
Earthlings, your imaginations are so feeble that you cannot conceive of the doom you are about to endure.
scone I think it's all happening too fast for mainstream media.
Jillayne
.
Too fast for me, I barely have time to go potty before 300 comments whiz past.
At least you ain't claiming Nemo is a Time Lord.
Yeah, but he may have a Tardis.
visitor for Zendor,
Please please tell us what is coming our way, your lord.
Earthlings, your imaginations are so feeble that you cannot conceive of the doom you are about to endure.
visitor from Zendor | 01.30.09 - 8:48 pm | #
Yeah, yeah. We are all dopes. Your advanced scout clued us in.
Where I work MSM means men having sex with men.
you probably won't think about MSM in the same way again.
At least you ain't claiming Nemo is a Time Lord.
Comrade Misean is Dope | Homepage | 01.30.09 - 8:43 pm | #
He's never at the meetings.
Rob Dawg writes:
We will never know whether the claim that action was necessary within days to prevent a meltdown was necessary. By their own admission they didn't know what to do. I'm always suspicious when somebody selling me something screams "act now!"
Rob Dawg | Homepage | 01.30.09 - 8:18 pm |
Rob I know there is no particular reason to credit me any more than you would credit some random guy on the internet, but I do have some perspective on the question of whether action was necessary. The view at my firm was that if AIG was not bailed out then GS and MS would have gone bankrupt, probably immediately. We started preparing papers for that eventuality since we did not know if AIG would be bailed out.
The thinking also was that a GS and MS bankruptcy would have led to a chain of bankruptcies throughout the system and after that all bets were off.
Now, our thinking could have been wrong. But I think it was consistent with what other people in the industry and in Washington were thinking at the time. In other words, we may have been wrong, but we weren't BSing on the question of whether we thought there would be an actual meltdown.
Personally, I think that what happened after Lehman does show that additional bankruptcies of critical clearing banks would have really been a disaster.
visitor from Zendor writes:
Earthlings, your imaginations are so feeble that you cannot conceive of the doom you are about to endure.
.
Paging Margin Call... His Squidness paging Margin Call...
He's never at the meetings.
Rob Dawg
Secret chatroom meetings? Mmhmmm...
Your advanced scout clued us in.
Sorry, the advanced scout was eliminated, it is a far worse fate that awaits us.
morvo loves to eat free ponies!
People who believe that MP is real will believe anything. My money was always on Conjure.
what happened after Lehman does show that additional bankruptcies of critical clearing banks would have really been a disaster.
Didn't the 2005 Amendments cover a situation like this?
Personally, I think that what happened after Lehman does show that additional bankruptcies of critical clearing banks would have really been a disaster.
Loudocracy | 01.30.09 - 8:50 pm | #
For the affected banks, sure. For the rest of us, maybe not.
If you cant get cash out of your atm it affects you.
I hope Conjure didn't eat him after he was finished channeling through him...
Dr N writes:
Where I work MSM means men having sex with men.
you probably won't think about MSM in the same way again.
Dr N | 01.30.09 - 8:50 pm | #
Umm, have you watched MSNBC lately? Every male anchor there is having a bromance with Obama.
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Citizen AllenM writes:
This is a middle class depression..
Now, talk about pissed, well, I will never vote republican until my balance sheet is repaired.
agreed
the republican party of Lincoln bears little resemblance to the party today...
republicans appear to have great disdain for almost all regulation and appear to want to see the supremacy of corporations over civil society and elected government
am i wrong?
i wish i was
My fear too, Comrade K.
CR and the bloggers here called the meltdown long before September 2008.
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I was!
Rob I know there is no particular reason to credit me any more than you would credit some random guy on the internet, but I do have some perspective on the question of whether action was necessary. The view at my firm was that if AIG was not bailed out then GS and MS would have gone bankrupt, probably immediately. We started preparing papers for that eventuality since we did not know if AIG would be bailed out.
The thinking also was that a GS and MS bankruptcy would have led to a chain of bankruptcies throughout the system and after that all bets were off.
Now, our thinking could have been wrong. But I think it was consistent with what other people in the industry and in Washington were thinking at the time. In other words, we may have been wrong, but we weren't BSing on the question of whether we thought there would be an actual meltdown.
Personally, I think that what happened after Lehman does show that additional bankruptcies of critical clearing banks would have really been a disaster.
Loudocracy | 01.30.09 - 8:50 pm | #
Thanks for that. There's a lot of deep experience here and kudos for sharing. I understand the idea of serial counterparty failure but net-net out those tens of trillions and the actual exposure is far less. That would have been the alternative; supervised unwinding of positions rather than backstopping and preserving positions.
Shit. These hyperspace jumps are killing me.
If you cant get cash out of your atm it affects you.
Loudocracy | 01.30.09 - 8:53 pm | #
THAT level of bad, might have been good in the long run, as many bankers and GS would be dead.
from anonymous link at 845
i surmise mp and conjure shall be vindicated
"This may sound a bit ridiculous, but we think we have begun a full-blown bear market in fixed income, wrote Tom Fitzpatrick, Citigroups New York-based chief technical analyst, and London-based strategist Shyam Devani. The commodity that is going to be the most in demand as far as the eye can see is capital. As a consequence, the cost of capital can only go one way -- up.
The 30-year bonds yield may rise to 5 percent by late 2009, the highest level since August 2007, according to Citigroup. The U.S. will probably borrow $2.5 trillion this fiscal year, compared with $892 billion last year, according to Goldman Sachs Group Inc. The firms are among the 17 primary dealers that trade directly with the Federal Reserve. "
morvo loves delicious crunchy investment bankers!
CR and the bloggers here called the meltdown long before September 2008.
norma | 01.30.09 - 8:54 pm | #
Here, TBP and SA were all calling for a crash. SA was a little mixed...
As an outsider, I always thought AIG was more about their exposure to covered bonds in Europe, that it was the European banking system that would've shut down overnight.
capital, the new black?
or, uh umm. the new pony, or uh, horse, i mean H, like cloud 9
steppenwolf. goddam the pusherman
YouTube - Easy Rider - Steppenwolf - The Pusher
If you cant get cash out of your atm it affects you.
Loudocracy | 01.30.09 - 8:53 pm | #
BTW, thanks for your posts. They are always calm, objective and your knowledge adds a great deal to this board.
Loudocracy(Unrated) writes:
\tIf you cant get cash out of your atm it affects you.
\t Loudocracy | \t \t \t \t01.30.09 - 8:53 pm | #I love it. First the bankers lose a bunch of our money that we entrusted to them, then they threaten to take the rest of it if we don't replace their losses to cover their fuck ups.Cue up the tumbrils and the guillotines. Your arrogance will be rewarded.
Krugman == Democratic Rove
Loudocracy(Unrated) writes:
If you cant get cash out of your atm it affects you.
Empty threat. This was NEVER going to happen, EVER.
We have this nifty thing called the FDIC. I will always be able to get cash out of my ATM.
Please scare me some more.
The fed can guarantee that you can get money out of the ATM, just not the value of that money... etc.
briwerk writes:
The fed can guarantee that you can get money out of the ATM, just not the value of that money... etc.
I agree. However, how is throwing tons and tons of cash into failing banks making my money more safe than simply taking over a failing institution. Both cost money, but throwing cash down a hole makes my cash in pocket less meaningful.
Try again.
Shift: I wasn't attempting to do anything, except for a witty paraphrase. There's no doubt in my mind that the government is making all the wrong moves. I much prefer a plan more like Denninger suggests.
briwerk,
Sorry if I sounded "snippy".
Having a drink and thought I'd have some fun.
By the way, I like Denninger too.
Take good care.
Is it just me, or does Krugman always look like a deer caught in the headlights on TV? Another way of putting it: Economist caught in a depression.
Interesting Times | 01.30.09 - 8:20 pm
He reminds me of Richard Dreyfuss in "Jaws"
YouTube -
Yeah, yeah. We are all dopes. Your advanced scout clued us in.
Blackhalo | 01.30.09 - 8:50 pm | #
BAM!
hahaha!
Thanks for the few well-thought-out comments here (Loudacracy, Dawg, mock turtle...).
At the end of the day it'll be perfect fare for the lefty whitey crowd that pays the bills for PBS. Nothing too sensational, just an overview that will show that "both sides" have dirty hands with the Republicans' hands that much dirtier. Just a hunch.
One wonders if they will look as far back as 1987.
Krugman is pretty shy; it's interesting to watch him try to hold his own in a roundtable. He's getting better -- more practice lately, I guess -- but he still looks to be struggling.
The KrugHate of some around here is pretty interesting; he's got a point of view, so what? He's been pretty much right about what's been happening, or willing to accept reality at least. His prescriptions for recovery may or may not be what we need. But you can say that about anybody's. This is new territory.
"At the end of the day it'll be perfect fare for the lefty whitey crowd that pays the bills for PBS. Nothing too sensational, just an overview that will show that "both sides" have dirty hands with the Republicans' hands that much dirtier. Just a hunch.
tew | 01.30.09 - 10:49 pm | #"
How shall I say it? The Bush Administration.... embraced the darkness.
That said, Lawrence Sumner makes me want to spit up green ichor.
These TV attempts at economics are usually too superficial and sound-bite oriented to be worth my time. I can learn a lot more in an hour by reading Calculated Risk and a few of the other blogs.
With Sen. Chris Dodd providing the insights, as the PBS video seems to be indicating, we will soon be getting to the bottom of this.
50% reduction from 4 years ago...
Blackhalo | 01.30.09 - 8:31 pm | #
I believe you will find it's an increase from 2005, not a reduction.
This discussion forum has become inane....it needs to be filtered. Reading it is almost a complete waste of time.
Titanic II or Krugman doing his "deer in the headlights" impression for shits and giggles....
slago writes:
This discussion forum has become inane....it needs to be filtered. Reading it is almost a complete waste of time.
I agree!!! Let's start with filtering slago.
Just kidding slago (you stupid a** moran)
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