NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--American International Group, Inc. (AIG) today reported a net loss for the second quarter of 2008 of $5.36 billion or $2.06 per diluted share compared to 2007 second quarter net income of $4.28 billion or $1.64 per diluted share. Second quarter 2008 adjusted net loss, as defined below, was $1.32 billion or $0.51 per diluted share, compared to adjusted net income of $4.63 billion or $1.77 per diluted share for the second quarter of 2007. The continuation of the weak U.S. housing market and disruption in the credit markets, as well as global equity market volatility, had a substantial adverse effect on AIGs results in the second quarter.
5:30 p.m.
[AIG] AIG Q2 adjusted net loss $1.32 bln vs $4.63 bln profit
5:30 p.m.[AIG] AIG Q2 net realized capital loss $4.02 bln vs $17 mln loss
5:29 p.m.[AIG] AIG Q2 operating loss $8.76B vs operating profit of $6.33B
5:28 p.m.[AIG] AIG: Q2 unrealized depreciation of investments $3.68 bl
energy-good first..
after watching the tape this afternoon and really seeing more continued ugliness in earnings data I have to give kudos to the Fed/treasury/govt or whomever!
What about all the SUVs on 3 year leases? I don't suppose GM and Ford are looking forward to lease expirations. I wouldn't be surprised to see $3 gas again, but that's not low enough.
Americredit is the equivalent of an automobile subprime and Alt A lender. There's still plenty of demand for the kind of credit they offer, so they are just pulling back as fast as they can, because they see credit quality deteriorating.
The technologies have improved for getting cars back on defaulted loans. Now, some lenders use mandatory GPS tracking devices. And they don't usually lend anywhere close to book value. So, the collateral is there.
The problem is that the collateral value is deteriorating so fast that they can't make profitable loans against it. The bottom line of this report is...TOO MANY CARS OUT THERE and too few buyers.
It's not just subprime.
It's not just SUVs and pick-ups.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
I was able to work out some pretty good financing on a gas powered scooter at Toy's R Us last night so I'm not sure this isn't more a reflection of some poor management over at AmericCredit than it is an industry wide trend.
"We have taken proactive steps to conserve liquidity and position the business to withstand the weak macroeconomic environment and the dislocation in the capital markets..."
Many cars are going below invoice inc: Lexus, BMW, MERCedes, Honda, its not just GM and Ford, though I imagine they are doing a lot worse. The automobile market it shrinking, the tide has gone out and we realize how big the new car market really is...
My prediction is a Chrysler bankruptcy by the end of the month as real sales w/o trade ins fall.
Dude, a 70% decrease. That is brutal. Consider the reprecussions. How are those car lots going to pay for their $30/square foot land with their mammoth monument to opulence building on top of it? Car dealers will go broke quickly.
The cost of energy is getting out of reach, said Mark Wolfe, the executive director of the National Energy Assistance Directors Association, which represents state programs offering help to poor households.
Its not just going to affect poor people, but also moderate to middle-class households. People are going to become more impoverished to pay for heating this winter.
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Its not just going to affect poor people, but also moderate to middle-class households. People are going to become more impoverished to pay for heating this winter.
Maybe Cramer and his buds over at Fast Money can donate some bank stock certificates as fuel.
I hear that they burn fast but generate some BTU's for a few minutes, at least.
Surprise, surprise, surprise!
As I open my letter from Norm Reeves Honda Superstore informing me that I may have won a 2008 Honda Civic!
I can take this letter in for a NO NEGOTIATION deal and save UP TO $3000!
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After all, you don't really need a new car unless you really have one at the end of its life. A car is one of the easiest things to put off buying. Right now, I wonder if a smart move by SUV owners would be to buy a REALLY cheap used car for driving, and to leave the SUV parked for show.
Has anyone seen those commercials with the children talking about their parents 401 plans. The last kid announces smugly that his parents are with AIG.
x - this is still the greatest economy in the world. Minus the credit crisis, crazy debt loads, over-leveraging, fraud, political corruption, bailouts, and accounting rule changes.
Let's just call these one-time items and get back to our normal ops.
The time for Jubilee USA is upon us.
Everyone wipes out their debt and we all go again.
The buyers, the sellers, the lenders, and the borrowers would all be better off. Or we can just ride the train to hell together. Choo Choo!
I'm gonna know there's a bottom when I see former yuppies pulling the stripped carcass of an overweight SUV with a team of horses, oxen, goats, neighborhood dogs. "Every home with a chicken in the pot" went overnight to "everyhome with 3 battletanks and a LOC they couldn't pay back in 30 years". Free shackles with each closing.
No one can buy the small car either...
Trading in your suv right now is like lowering the sales price on your short sale by 1/2...keep it and let gas prices come back to you..
CSC- Those Norm Reeves service coupons was my little pet crm..
Thier dealership is pretty tight...
so they will weather the storm
Nah, dude...I smell like Dr. Bronner's pure castille soap. Most freaks are very clean. Plus, I'll smoke you out on the way down. Speaking of which...time to meet the ganja man. I'm getting two free grams with my purchase and CSC is a very happy camper.
Autos are dead.
Would anyone really miss any more than one or two brands/badges of US made cars?
Just like any other company that is forced to trim down because there is too much capacity and no business to do... Think Bear Stearns poof / gone... no one is missing them.
The scary thing about the new scooter and MC riders is that most of them don't know WTF they are doing and are dangers to themselves and others. To compound the error, they typically dress in street clothes, so they are guaranteed to be complete raspberries when they spill.
I love all the Vespa's out there! I'm rich, so I still have a big truck. It's like that old boardgame Crossfire when you get enough of them in one stretch of road!!
I just wish the accountants had time to come out and play...
out here in phoenix the auto dealers over the past few years have upper sticks from their paid for locations to the zomburbs. Then they do JVs with developers to make multiuse condos & retail which is either coming on line or breaking ground right......about.....now.
There's gonna be a massive rationalization in dealer networks over the next two years.
Geoff writes:
"The scary thing about the new scooter and MC riders is that most of them don't know WTF they are doing and are dangers to themselves and others."
The survivors will be savvy -- that's how evolution works!
In May and June, the 10 used cars with the fastest-rising prices, according to J.D. Power & Associates, included the Hyundai Elantra, up almost 9% from the year-earlier period, and the Kia Spectra, up nearly 8%. A few years ago, the list was dominated by larger, more luxurious cars like the Lexus LS Series.
Some used cars' prices are even approaching the levels of new models. The average 2006 Honda Civic costs $16,118, or 86% of what a new 2008 model costs. The average price of a used 2006 BMW Mini Cooper is about 81% of what a new model costs. And the long-sought-after Toyota Prius costs 87% of the new-model price.
I had a sinking feeling back in 2006 about having bought a new car after other owners started sharing the details on their leases for the same model. The lease deals were unbelievably good. So good that buying the car and keeping it for 3 years could never make sense as the ownership cost over that time was double to tripple the lease cost. Go figure that the leases are disappearing.
More news - um this did not beat expectations by the way:
AIG Reports Second Quarter 2008 Results
Wednesday August 6, 5:28 pm ET
NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--American International Group, Inc. (AIG) today reported a net loss for the second quarter of 2008 of $5.36 billion or $2.06 per diluted share compared to 2007 second quarter net income of $4.28 billion or $1.64 per diluted share. Second quarter 2008 adjusted net loss, as defined below, was $1.32 billion or $0.51 per diluted share, compared to adjusted net income of $4.63 billion or $1.77 per diluted share for the second quarter of 2007. The continuation of the weak U.S. housing market and disruption in the credit markets, as well as global equity market volatility, had a substantial adverse effect on AIGs results in the second quarter.
[snip]
OT-AIG new is good..market will go up and up...
5:30 p.m.
[AIG] AIG Q2 adjusted net loss $1.32 bln vs $4.63 bln profit
5:30 p.m.[AIG] AIG Q2 net realized capital loss $4.02 bln vs $17 mln loss
5:29 p.m.[AIG] AIG Q2 operating loss $8.76B vs operating profit of $6.33B
5:28 p.m.[AIG] AIG: Q2 unrealized depreciation of investments $3.68 bl
cd,
Yeah the rate that expectations were dropping didn't quite get out in front of this one:
current\t0.63
7 days ago\t0.67
30 days ago\t1.17
60 days ago\t1.35
90 days ago\t1.67
ps those were all positive earnings per share for AIG
Prospective car buyer:
I want to the best loan deal you've got.
Dealer:
Sorry, no loans, no leases. Got cash?
Buyer:
Then I'll use my HELOC. Oh wait...
energy-good first..
after watching the tape this afternoon and really seeing more continued ugliness in earnings data I have to give kudos to the Fed/treasury/govt or whomever!
Holding this market up is an epic feat!
Was aig a naked short..behold asswhooping tomm..
Without credit sales, even used cars will not sell. The economy is freezing up--very bleak future.
Was aig a naked short..behold asswhooping tomm..
No kidding. Late quotes:
aig: 26.89 -10%
xlf: 22.08 -2%
(percents off of yesterday close)
No position there, its getting a haircut AH though who knows tomorrow...
a Vespa with a pink helmet....
Managed auto receivables 31-to-60 days delinquent were 6.0% of the portfolio at June 30, 2008, compared to 4.7% at June 30, 2007
this is ugly too.
Big problem going forward is everyone buried in high ltv financing because of buried payoff on trade ins...
Over the last cple years this has really grown..and now that vehicle is even upside down worse..
Our 1.3K dealer base is pulling less credit than month to start then last month...Auto is in depression....
What about all the SUVs on 3 year leases? I don't suppose GM and Ford are looking forward to lease expirations. I wouldn't be surprised to see $3 gas again, but that's not low enough.
I would rather walk...thank you.
We call 'em liquor-cicles.
I still have a 1987 Toyota Camry with 280,000 miles...
Americredit is the equivalent of an automobile subprime and Alt A lender. There's still plenty of demand for the kind of credit they offer, so they are just pulling back as fast as they can, because they see credit quality deteriorating.
The technologies have improved for getting cars back on defaulted loans. Now, some lenders use mandatory GPS tracking devices. And they don't usually lend anywhere close to book value. So, the collateral is there.
The problem is that the collateral value is deteriorating so fast that they can't make profitable loans against it. The bottom line of this report is...TOO MANY CARS OUT THERE and too few buyers.
It's not just subprime.
It's not just SUVs and pick-ups.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
Oh, I thought they were saying 'soft landing'.
Turns out it was 'soft lending'.
No wonder they big 3 are asking for free money from the taxpayers to help them weather the storm.
I was able to work out some pretty good financing on a gas powered scooter at Toy's R Us last night so I'm not sure this isn't more a reflection of some poor management over at AmericCredit than it is an industry wide trend.
What?
"We have taken proactive steps to conserve liquidity and position the business to withstand the weak macroeconomic environment and the dislocation in the capital markets..."
The paradox of thrift?
... but Hyundai is advertising $3500 cash back on their Santa Fe model, endorsed by "best selling author and financial guru" Ray Lucia!
Deals
Ray sez, buy a Hyundai, get the cash back, and put the money into SKF! The car will pay for itself and then some.
Many cars are going below invoice inc: Lexus, BMW, MERCedes, Honda, its not just GM and Ford, though I imagine they are doing a lot worse. The automobile market it shrinking, the tide has gone out and we realize how big the new car market really is...
My prediction is a Chrysler bankruptcy by the end of the month as real sales w/o trade ins fall.
AIG recently? got into the car insurance business. Can't wait to see how that's doing.
Dude, a 70% decrease. That is brutal. Consider the reprecussions. How are those car lots going to pay for their $30/square foot land with their mammoth monument to opulence building on top of it? Car dealers will go broke quickly.
"What was that horrible noise?"
"The GMC dealer going broke."
A little OT but this is interesting and scary, from a featured article in the NY Times.
Baby, It's Going to Be Cold Inside - NY Times
Home Energy Prices Are Expected to Soar
The cost of energy is getting out of reach, said Mark Wolfe, the executive director of the National Energy Assistance Directors Association, which represents state programs offering help to poor households.
Its not just going to affect poor people, but also moderate to middle-class households. People are going to become more impoverished to pay for heating this winter.
rich,
Sex keeps you warm. Expect a baby boom next fall.
rich writes:
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
Thank you. That can't be said enough.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
It's vast overcapacity everywhere, combined with overstretched consumers.
Enough?
MORE!!! MORE!!!!1!!
Thanks, Bart.
re:
Elvis writes:
rich,
Sex keeps you warm. Expect a baby boom next fall.
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not if this happens too much...
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this is impossible...just 8 months ago, this was the greatest economy the world had ever seen!!!!
Its not just going to affect poor people, but also moderate to middle-class households. People are going to become more impoverished to pay for heating this winter.
Maybe Cramer and his buds over at Fast Money can donate some bank stock certificates as fuel.
I hear that they burn fast but generate some BTU's for a few minutes, at least.
Surprise, surprise, surprise!
As I open my letter from Norm Reeves Honda Superstore informing me that I may have won a 2008 Honda Civic!
I can take this letter in for a NO NEGOTIATION deal and save UP TO $3000!
I'm going to ask them for 70% off instead.
Rich,
leasing options are practically gone -thru June of this year 1 out of 5 cars sold was leased leased..
More pain ahead...
Americredit purchase of Long beach credit was similar to wachovia-golden west deal..Just bad..........
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Great sign in the movie "Used Cars": Bankrupt, Divorced, No Credit? We Finance!
Wait a minute, that's our Federal govt's motto.
NO prob, PDCF will be expanded for car dealers, too!
After all, you don't really need a new car unless you really have one at the end of its life. A car is one of the easiest things to put off buying. Right now, I wonder if a smart move by SUV owners would be to buy a REALLY cheap used car for driving, and to leave the SUV parked for show.
Has anyone seen those commercials with the children talking about their parents 401 plans. The last kid announces smugly that his parents are with AIG.
They may have to pull those commercials...soon...
x - this is still the greatest economy in the world. Minus the credit crisis, crazy debt loads, over-leveraging, fraud, political corruption, bailouts, and accounting rule changes.
Let's just call these one-time items and get back to our normal ops.
The time for Jubilee USA is upon us.
Everyone wipes out their debt and we all go again.
The buyers, the sellers, the lenders, and the borrowers would all be better off. Or we can just ride the train to hell together. Choo Choo!
I'm gonna know there's a bottom when I see former yuppies pulling the stripped carcass of an overweight SUV with a team of horses, oxen, goats, neighborhood dogs. "Every home with a chicken in the pot" went overnight to "everyhome with 3 battletanks and a LOC they couldn't pay back in 30 years". Free shackles with each closing.
Not ridin' that train with you, CSC. You needs a bath.
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Sue,
No one can buy the small car either...
Trading in your suv right now is like lowering the sales price on your short sale by 1/2...keep it and let gas prices come back to you..
CSC- Those Norm Reeves service coupons was my little pet crm..
Thier dealership is pretty tight...
so they will weather the storm
Nah, dude...I smell like Dr. Bronner's pure castille soap. Most freaks are very clean. Plus, I'll smoke you out on the way down. Speaking of which...time to meet the ganja man. I'm getting two free grams with my purchase and CSC is a very happy camper.
Autos are dead.
Would anyone really miss any more than one or two brands/badges of US made cars?
Just like any other company that is forced to trim down because there is too much capacity and no business to do... Think Bear Stearns poof / gone... no one is missing them.
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I'm too busy studying my Tom Vu home real estate course. If I no rich, I a looser.
But thanks for the wicked SPAM.
Ganja & Castille? Rub-a-dub-dub A Dude with Sticky in a Tub
@Elvis
Read your multi-post over and it triggered my epilepsy. Just woke up, the economy's now good, right?
Well i can tell ya,,i saw more Vestpa moterscooters last saturday, new ones,
than i have ever seen in my life...
The scary thing about the new scooter and MC riders is that most of them don't know WTF they are doing and are dangers to themselves and others. To compound the error, they typically dress in street clothes, so they are guaranteed to be complete raspberries when they spill.
I love all the Vespa's out there! I'm rich, so I still have a big truck. It's like that old boardgame Crossfire when you get enough of them in one stretch of road!!
I just wish the accountants had time to come out and play...
How are non-SUV car used prices holding up ?
So we have what?
Too many houses.
Too many stores.
Too many offices.
Too many hotels.
Too many cars.
And
Too many people with not enough money.
How does this work out well?
@AB
Again my epilepsy...bein' triggered.
So we have what?
Too many houses.
Too many stores.
Too many offices.
Too many hotels.
Too many cars.
Too many people with not enough money.
How does this work out well?"
There's pain, disillusionment, and eventual enlightenment, rebuilding. In the end, well. Just not fun.
cd
clarify this
Our 1.3K dealer base is pulling less credit than month to start then last month...
cd
tia
out here in phoenix the auto dealers over the past few years have upper sticks from their paid for locations to the zomburbs. Then they do JVs with developers to make multiuse condos & retail which is either coming on line or breaking ground right......about.....now.
There's gonna be a massive rationalization in dealer networks over the next two years.
Um... looking at the earnings report, the whole $150 million loss was related to impairment of goodwill.
So basically, they lost $150 million of intangible stuff that they couldn't quite explain in the first place?
Yawn.
Geoff writes:
"The scary thing about the new scooter and MC riders is that most of them don't know WTF they are doing and are dangers to themselves and others."
The survivors will be savvy -- that's how evolution works!
With that yawner of a 70% dropoff in originations...more nothingburger.
Bill:
Very, very well.
Why a used Civic still costs $16,118 - MSN Money
In May and June, the 10 used cars with the fastest-rising prices, according to J.D. Power & Associates, included the Hyundai Elantra, up almost 9% from the year-earlier period, and the Kia Spectra, up nearly 8%. A few years ago, the list was dominated by larger, more luxurious cars like the Lexus LS Series.
Some used cars' prices are even approaching the levels of new models. The average 2006 Honda Civic costs $16,118, or 86% of what a new 2008 model costs. The average price of a used 2006 BMW Mini Cooper is about 81% of what a new model costs. And the long-sought-after Toyota Prius costs 87% of the new-model price.
ICE BERG dead-ahead!
I had a sinking feeling back in 2006 about having bought a new car after other owners started sharing the details on their leases for the same model. The lease deals were unbelievably good. So good that buying the car and keeping it for 3 years could never make sense as the ownership cost over that time was double to tripple the lease cost. Go figure that the leases are disappearing.
Big problem going forward is everyone buried in high ltv financing because of buried payoff on trade ins...