jess got me some srs at 80

Also, just like for residential, declining transaction volumes usually precede price declines.

I'm thinking the rising vacancy rates and changing cap rates will probably have a greater impact on pricing than volume will.

But it's different here, right?

TBILISI, Georgia - The head of Georgia's national security council says Russian forces have taken the strategically key city of Gori.

Gori is on Georgia's main east-west highway, about 60 miles west of the capital Tbilisi. By taking the city, Russia has the potential to effectively cut the country in half.

Security Council head Alexander Lomaia said Monday that it was not immediately clear if Russian forces would try to advance on Tbilisi.

The seizure of Gori came as Russian forces also drove deep into Georgian territory in the country's western sector.


Russians really rubbing our nose and that of Georgia and NATO in it. Rub rub rub.

It's a good thing crazy George is a half world away from the big red button..............

Russians really rubbing our nose and that of Georgia and NATO in it. Rub rub rub.

Well, maybe they have some assurances from China that they'll be there to assist with threats of a dollar/treasury dump if we start making noises about interfering.

If they've got China on their side they can probably rub rub rub all they want.

jess got me some srs at 80,

Wait till Tomorrow to buy shorts IMO could break higher in the morning...

GM CEO Wagoner: Worst Is Mostly Behind Company - FT
1:08 PM ET | Dow Jones

roflmao

lol Veni, it really is different here in KC, we're thriving! Must be all the smart buyers!

GM CEO Wagoner: Worst Is Mostly Behind Company

I think he has been saying that for four years he must have got some kind of bailout guarantee over the weekend...

It's a good thing crazy George is a half world away from the big red button..............

He'll soon be back and they need to take the button and all his other toys away from him before he destroys us all.

Except for public projects, I believe CRE will come to a virtual standstill once the pipeline of new construction finishes off in the next year or so. That is going to leave a mark on the economy.

FFDIC thanks for the list. But there are quite a few much smaller banks that, in my view, are probably going under or are already under:

Bank of Lebo in Kansas
Hastings State Bank
Tier One
BankUnited
and others from the one star list on bankrate.com

I would look for banks with a Texas ratio of over, say, 50. 40 is the tipping point for Bove. I would be a bit less pessimistic.

All this is just speculation of course. No wish to alarm people.

I heard we are safe, they exchanged the big red button with a red button from one of those child seat steering wheels. George likes to beep it after is mourning potty break..........

To a certain extent, the results from DC/Northern Virginia are more worrisome than it might first appear - after all, there are few economic resources more reliable than government, which is what office buildings in that area are all about.

OT: Is this Russia problem a sort of 9/11 patriotic pitch for mcCain?

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal also came in defense of the Arizona senator. He told ABC, "During these uncertain times, where we need experienced leadership. We need somebody like Senator McCain who will take a stronger view, a more experienced view, when it comes to international security and protecting America's interest... I think it was wrong for Senator Obama to try to focus on a McCain adviser, rather than actually listening to what McCain had to say about the policy."

Looks more and more like any money that comes out of leveraged positions like currencies and commodities is going to be targeted at deliberately squeezing out short positions.

Can't say that isn't exactly what I'd do in the same situation.

DC isn't a good market on which to base broader trends. The vacancy rates in the district are largely frictional due to the government and the need for certain businesses to be close by. Further, with the election year upon us, the DC region will get its quadrannual economic shot in the arm that comes with a new White House and Congress.

NVA has always been overbuilt with a high percentage of that being speculative development. We saw a mini-cycle in this market in the late 90s when the tech bubble burst and people were calling for a collapse of prices that never materialized. Vacancies reached >20%. Since that time, all that inventory has been absorbed and the new vacancy represents some frictional vacancy and unleased spec property. It will all get drawn down in 24-36 months. The upside to the tighening credit markets for NVA is that it might correct the cronic overbuilding in the submaket.

MD is MD. Its steady eddie. Historical vacancy has always been around 10%. There are just been a couple large transactions in Bethesda and Silver Spring, the two most recently redevloped areas in the MD submarket. While new volume is slowing, that market will chug on and supply might actually become too tight in the long run which would drive rents.

Overall I see cap rates right now around 7-9%, which isn't a bad return, cash-on-cash.

We have the government here, and its not getting any smaller.

This blogger thinks the war in Georgia is a lead-up to the US attacking iran:

Blogger: Page not found

collapse of prices that never materialized...

Yeah those negative interest rates didn't really help...

from the same article:

"The economic downturn is playing out in different ways in the region. Dense areas with access to Metro maintained low vacancy rates and had rent increases in the second quarter. More suburban markets have had bigger upticks in vacancies, and in some, rents have fallen."

Why the hell is it the close in areas are doing so much better - is it really all about gas prices - I just dont buy it.

What, no gold cliff-diving post? -42.05 (-4.87%). Ouch!

I'm amazed at the strength of the home builders today.

What is speculation about the expiration of the short trading rule on wednesday?

Will the SEC allow the rule to expire/extend it for a period/or expand it to cover all stocks?

Will the SEC allow the rule to expire/extend it for a period/or expand it to cover all stocks?

It's priced in already IMO. Look at FRE and FNM hasn't helped these guys...

"Why the hell is it the close in areas are doing so much better - is it really all about gas prices - I just dont buy it."

Its not all about gas prices, but they certainly play into the phenomenon. The traffic here is brutal, well before high gas prices. I think people are just using gas prices as an excuse to change their commuting patterns and/or as a scapegoat to sell the house they bought 50+ miles west of the city. Arlington, Alexandria, Bethesda and Silver Spring have all done excellent jobs creating transit oriented development and while those markets were and still are oversupplied, they are starting to take hold.

I have friends that have

I have friends that have ~10 mile commutes and it takes them over an hour to got to and from work.

Woudln't you move close in and capitalize on a softening market too?

jess got me some srs at 80

Everybody was talking about picking that stuff up at 85 and 90 and 95 and 100...

SRS has been the ultimate pain trade.

With regard to Northern Virginia, some of it has to do with required relocations for agency and defense/intelligence contractors for defense purposes. A few years ago the G forced a whole bunch of entities to relocate operations to buildings with large setbacks from the street, and this put a lot of the entities into newer buildings in newer places.

Than there is the huge relocation of personnel to Fort Belvoir, which required huge construction at Fort Belvoir, but which also leaves many places empty or at least emptier.

And than there is the private business climate itself. Sprint/Nextel, Sallie Mae, NVR, Capitol One.

The law firms all seem to be doing fine, as are government contractors (for now), and as is housing in most of the wealthier areas.

But the defense/intelligence sector relocations have left a lot of empty offices behind, and nobody to fill em.

To answer 'Why the hell is it the close in areas are doing so much better' is pretty simple in the case of DC, as the real business of government is close in. The Capitol isn't moving out to the suburbs any time soon, for example - and those working on Capitol Hill have more important things to do with their time than simply drive back and forth to work - especially considering how hard it is to get parking there.

But again, DC is not really typical, and to a certain extent, should be ignored in broader discussions, since it plays by its own rules - literally. Including the restriction of building heights, which still exist in DC - nothing higher than the Washington Monument gets approval. Another distinction of DC is the fact that Congress decides what happens within the District of Columbia, not the people living there.

Mel Karmizin "GS is in league with the short sellers to drive (Sirius stock down)"

Notice he did not implicate the reverse vampires or the one-armed man...

cr - The bank survey is out!!

:03 p.m.Credit squeeze getting worse, banks tell Fed
1:57 p.m.Credit tighter for mortgages, credit cards, business loans
1:57 p.m.Most banks expect to keep lid on credit for another year
1:57 p.m.Banks tightening lending standards in record numbers
1:57 p.m.Fed survey shows credit squeeze getting worse

Can anyone here provide a reasonable explanation for what is going on in the markets lately. Today with massive global instability, war in Georgia you would think gold and oil would rocket. I understand dollar strength but the rest of the market action seems totally irrational or something with a margin call hell where nothing makes sense...

Commodity massacre continues. This is the strongest trend since mid July IMO.

Russia all but makes sure McCain will be next POTUS. They are very efficient at this. Amazing.

O-Joe

Sorry but the Georgia conflict is a non-event.

C&C

take some time to review (fdic and mffais data): Chevy, Lorain, Security National of SD, Amarillo

Sometimes the lack of an expected occurance can be a Black Swan in and of itself.

Max writes:
What, no gold cliff-diving post? -42.05 (-4.87%). Ouch!
Max | Homepage | 08.11.08 - 1:42 pm | #


i did

mock turtle writes:
gold steep drop on the NY merc down $20/oz in half an hour.

-850 and lookout below below below below

imf sales, recession, and the threats by sen cantwell (dem WA) to bring legislation to further regulate oil futures and options trading, spell further downward pressure on gold.
mock turtle | 08.11.08 - 12:32 pm | #


i would add to the above logic that trichet has been jawboning for a stonger dollar by indicating ero rates would be decreased.

gold (and other PMs) facing big head winds for awhile...but not forever

I'm just curious...who is buying SRS and why ? Is it simply a matter of the hedge funds and big houses trying to squeeze every last remaining short out of RE plays ?

Can anyone here provide a reasonable explanation for what is going on in the markets lately. Today with massive global instability, war in Georgia you would think gold and oil would rocket. I understand dollar strength but the rest of the market action seems totally irrational or something with a margin call hell where nothing makes sense...

For me it's always worked to think of it as a big poker game where everybody knows what the "obvious" thing to do is and deliberately moves against it.

So I'm only surprised when the market does what it's "supposed to". Which isn't very often these days.

Mr. Market did not like the Fed survey. Credit Contraction is always bad...remember that!

I'm just curious...who is buying SRS and why ? Is it simply a matter of the hedge funds and big houses trying to squeeze every last remaining short out of RE plays ?

I don't know who's doing what, but wouldn't you deliberately squeeze out shorts if you could like if you were, say, liquidating huge long positions in Euros and oil and had lots of spare cash on your hand?

That way you could make money going up with the squeeze, and coming back down with shorts. Assuming you're a big enough player and the one in control.

Again, I don't know that somebody is doing this, but it would surprise me if at least somebody didn't try.

I know I would.

It's Kleptonomics 101.

crispy&cole writes:
Sorry but the Georgia conflict is a non-event


i would not be so sure


as for why oil and gold are not responding to the war in georgia

that depends on if the ruskies are happy to just take the north part of the country or decide they want it all, including the baku-tbilisi ceyhan pipeline...

if they take it all, then we have trouble, big trouble...

and gold and oil will respond

Everybody sing together:

Maniiipulation time, Come O


Maniiipulation time, Come On

Welcome to planet Klepton.

To Canadian watching with popcorn: Considering your proximity to Mr. Putin's Russia, I think you should be more concerned with the Red Army than with red buttons...

This survey was the dose of reality we needed!

Here are some more specifics on the Fed's loan officer survey and what it showed, for your review ...

  • Residential mortgage credit was tougher to get all around. The Fed began breaking out tigthening/loosening figures for three sub-categories of mortgage -- prime, nontraditional, and subprime -- in Q2 2007. Some 74% of those surveyed this time around said they are tightening standards on prime mortgages, up from 62.3% in Q2 2008. A net 84.4% of those surveyed said they were cracking down on nontraditional financing, up from 75.6%, and a net 85.7% said they were tightening on subprime loans, up from 77.7% a quarter earlier.

The subprime and prime figures are records. The nontraditional number is just shy of the high (84.6% in Q1 2008). The previous record for the all-mortgage category was 32.7% in Q1 1991.

  • The tightening trend is spilling over into commercial real estate. A net 80.7% of respondents said they were tightening standards on CRE loans. That was up from 78.6% a quarter earlier and the highest on record (Fed data goes back to 1990).
  • Consumer credit figures tell a similar story. Some 66.6% of lenders said they were tightening standards on credit card borrowers, up from 32.4% a quarter earlier and the highest on record (The data in this category goes back to 1996). Fed figures show that 67.4% are also tightening standards on other consumer loans, up from 44.4% (another record).
  • C&I customers can't catch a break either. Lastly, banks are tightening standards and raising the cost of the loans they do make for commercial and industrial customers. A net 57.6% of banks are tightening standards for large and medium sized borrowers, up from 55.4% a quarter earlier and the highest since Q1 2001. 80.8% said they were raising the spread over their cost of funds that they charge large and medium sized borrowers for access to money. That was up from 71% a quarter earlier and the most ever.

Where's Anonymouse? I need some more good news about the "bear pennant".

My shorts are getting KILLED here. I barely survived the March-May short squeeze/technical rally/bullsh...it's taking all the courage I can muster to not click the sell button.

Banks in the United States further tightened their lending standards and terms in all major loan categories, especially for consumer loans, in the past three months amid a weakening economic outlook, according to a Federal Reserve survey issued on Monday.

Fed says banks broadly tighten U.S. loan standards
| Reuters

I hear hurricanes a-blowing,
I know the end is coming soon.
I fear rivers over flowing.
I hear the voice of rage and ruin.

Consumer credit figures tell a similar story. Some 66.6% of lenders said they were tightening standards on credit card borrowers, up from 32.4% a quarter earlier

Good googly moogly! Doubled in one quarter! Deflation straight ahead!

Thanks Mike

crispy&cole writes:
This survey was the dose of reality we needed!

It's weird that oil would go up on this "dose of reality." It's as if them they...

Sonic Seuss,

Trade on fundamentals AND Price. SRS should make new highs this year. The banks show no sign of bottoming and more bank failures are coming. Personally if we are up tomorrow morning (I hope we are) I will add more shorts especially if we close above 1300...

Suess,

it's taking all the courage I can muster to not click the sell button

The secret is....you walk away! From the screen, that is. I leave for a meeting and SKF is at 112, I come back and find that it touched 106.45, but it's back up to 112.25. All is well that ends well! Wink

I hate to mention it, but it is too ironic that the Mortgage Bankers Association in D.C. has a nice new office building they can't find tenants for. It is in fact see thru.

@The secret is....you walk away! From the screen, that is.

That is the key to holding this stuff. Don't sweat it Seuss.

It is a crazy ride.

I know my SRS and TWM have now moved underwater with the moves today and last friday.

I am waiting to see if this bounce has more legs before moving in on some Russell 2000 short futures. Hopefully this will not be famous last words right before a massive rallye/squeeze!

Volatility is crazy. Minimal leverage.. We shall see.

SRS would probably be a good play on a snap below 80. In my playbook I expect it to make new highs by early next year. We shall see.

C'mon close above 1300!!!!!!!!!!!

Yikes:

No bank in the survey eased credit terms for any type of loan in the past three months, and only one bank said it anticipated easing standards for consumers in the next 12 months.

Yet the Yen indicates a renewed orgy of borrowing on Wall Street even is the credit situation gets bleaker and bleaker on Main Street.

Again according to my reading this is exactly what happened in 1929 as money for car loans all but vanished even as orgy of margin borrowing was picking up steam on Wall Street.

Some good advice here...thanks everyone!

RE: Georgian war...This looks to be a serious strategic error by Georgia's leaders. Now they are asking for a cease fire, and wondering why the US doesn't help. They obviously don't understand the US's interests and strategy; and clearly miscalculated regarding Russia's response. Now they are going to have to beg for mercy.

Some good advice here...thanks everyone!

Oh, and never, ever attack Georgia in Winter.

somebody liked gold at 820 after the close of the new york merc

what it will do tomorrow i dont know

i've got georgia on my mind

but i dont predict the future...its hard enough to predict the past.

would be surprised to see gold go below 750 if everything is baked in (no more geopolitical chaos) and believe one year from now it is likely twice that...

if chaos reigns then gold 1500 is around the corner at a minimum

thats why i dont argue gold as a get rich investment...gold is an insurance policy

dont trust me on anything, i guess... but i just dont know

Now they are going to have to beg for mercy.

No, they will run for the hills, taking as much gold as they can carry.

It beats begging Putin for mercy.

georgia is a tribal society like everything in that region. so they will sacrifice sakasvili (send him to hague) and become again friends with russia, so russia wont have to wage a long and costly war.

Anonymous wrote

Banks in the United States further tightened their lending standards and terms in all major loan categories, especially for consumer loans, in the past three months amid a weakening economic outlook, according to a Federal Reserve survey issued on Monday.

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mt responds...

Hope you have got your things together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like we're in for nasty weather.
One eye is taken for an eye.

Don't go around tonight,
Well, it's bound to take your life,
There's a bad moon on the rise.

The bear rally looks like bull trap...

How bout those bears

CNN.com - Page not found

oops previous lyric

credit CCR

In other news, from Reuters:

"The U.S. Justice Department has challenged an agreement that Countrywide Financial Corp reached in a bankruptcy court in Pittsburgh, saying it would make it harder to investigate and sue the mortgage lending giant.

Last month, Countrywide agreed to pay $325,000 to the Chapter 13 bankruptcy trustee in Pittsburgh, Ronda Winnecour, to cover legal costs and settle litigation accusing it of abusive practices in 293 separate cases.

But the Justice Department said a "non-disparagement" clause in the Countrywide agreement might impede its own investigation of the lender. The Office of the U.S. Trustee is a Justice Department arm that handles bankruptcy cases."

That is good news; that there will be more investigation of CountryWide/BAC.

Tim-

I think the shares outstanding (on Sirius) does the job just fine. I like a good conspiracy theory but having billions of shares outstanding in a industry that just stopped growing is more likely than anything else.

I just about died laughing when that pig got over 7.....

But in Mel's case anything other than responsible mgmt. make him look better eh?

Ciao
MS

Hey MS, gracias for pointing out DRR.

im writes:
It's a good thing crazy George is a half world away from the big red button..............

He'll soon be back and they need to take the button and all his other toys away from him before he destroys us all.
jim | 08.11.08 - 1:22 pm | #

revro writes:
georgia is a tribal society like everything in that region. so they will sacrifice sakasvili (send him to hague) and become again friends with russia, so russia wont have to wage a long and costly war.
revro | 08.11.08 - 3:11 pm | #

Just like Afghanistan & the
'tribal areas' of Pakistan. Egging on the Georgians was 'Brier Patch' politics.

If the Russians were smart they'd blow up a bunch of shit - send them back to the middle ages or before then leave it to 'us' to fix up.

NATO as geopolitical monoline insurance company - really good to have around until you need them. As a reliable counter-party not so much.

Time to bring the boyz home from NATO anyway... Euro Zone doesn't need us anymore (and hasn't since about the time of the Berlin Air Drop).

More 'Mission Accomplished' - your neo-con brain trust at work.

MAn-moth and BG have got the right attitude.

"just walk away"....

couldn't find the appropriate South park version of that.

Ciao
MS

man moth-

NP....I'll be adding to it soon methinks.

Ciao
MS

When you wish upon a shooting star reversal pattern... LMAO

Anonymouse writes:
When you wish upon a shooting star reversal pattern... LMAO

It's cosmically appropriate--tomorrow is the best day for Perseids meteor shower.

curious-er,

August 15th (..or 16th?) is a big astrological date, also OPEX, also CR's on vaycay so some real sh!ts gonna happen - count on it.

Well, maybe they have some assurances from China that they'll be there to assist with threats of a dollar/treasury dump if we start making noises about interfering.

If they've got China on their side they can probably rub rub rub all they want.

I have been thinking about this.

I think that this is going to be why Putin's war is seen as a missed blow, politically, unless he gets very ambitious with it.

Seen from a certain perspective -- and this is not a hard perspective to drift into when you are a mandarin running the world's largest country -- this is an ennobled, global propitiation of the rites of grain and soil. Every 4 years, a global festival of peace and sport, embraced with such schmaltzy gusto that even mighty Israel cannnot hold a candle to it.

Tell me they didn't all believe their hype. They're Chinese, historically, this sort of event can give birth to deities.

Then Vladimir had a war of imperial aggression as a counterpoint to the opening ritual.

That was a big whiz in the punch bowl there. I mean, I know they are "not Confucians" and all but it's really their cultural context. Disregard for the rituals, you just can't describe the sin, especially when it is fucking with the face of the Chinese in a way that shows no regard for the relationship. It isn't even that you're trying to offend them, it's that you didn't think of it. Major no-no.

Internally, it is wall-to-wall olympic-mania but the people managing it are looking for external validation, and they are falling out the headlines. The Marumushi newsmap doesn't even mention the olympics except in the context of murders and bombings.

Notably, Vlad went home immediately, like as if he was asked to leave. He departed into the ranks of mustache-twirling villainy. George is still there at the big kids' table. Don't ever underestimate the ability to offend someone Chinese for being uncouth. It is not endearing when you show up at their wedding drunk.

I hope that Vlad had everything gathered up that he needs to complete his plans, because he is assuming the role of the wolf in an unstable polypolar milieu. By doing this, he precipitated the birth of a policy of containment of his growing influence between China and America, so I hope that the immediate gains are worth the conversion to an adversarial context.

"Can anyone here provide a reasonable explanation for what is going on in the markets lately."

Daily and weekly market performance is pretty much random and does not necessary reflect any meaningful information.
What else is going on - RISK of loosing $ in the short term, whether you bet long or short is insane.

Sales office buildings are down some 40+% YTD as a result of tightening credit and equity moving to the sidelines.

Tightening credit is due to the securitization markets freezing and credit spreads for CMBS blowing out, thus leading to conservative underwriting/leverage and much higher rates.

Equity has moved to the sidelines as a result of institutional players not wanting to buy a property today, have cap rates increase, and be forced to "mark to market" at their quarterly reporting thus showing a loss. They would rather wait out the current "recession."

An important thing to note, that the WAPO author doesn't, is that the majority of sales in 2007 were portfolio sales, which had the effect of driving up the figures in terms of volume and $$. 2008 is looking much better when compared to 2006. Buyers are still there, but a flight to quality is definitly occuring.

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