It will be difficult for a regional bank such as this one to raise additional funds. I like the proactive involvement of the FDIC to set the bank on the right course.
Its funny that a year ago most felt that Downey was in better shape than FirstFed due to its more extensive branch network. Downey is pretty much toast, while FirstFed still is getting fairly positive spin in the LA Times (and a loftier stock price).
OK, I emailed Tanta days ago about the FDIC "all is well" ad in the Los Angeles Times, alluding to the potential for unusual withdrawal and deposit activity at FED and DSL (and other regionals). Not even a response to my email. Now read this: "Struggling thrift Downey Financial Corp. said today that it succeeded in staunching a recent outflow of deposits." Downey says deposits are returning, but funding still iffy | Money & Company | Los Angeles Times
Huh, maybe I should start tipping off Tom Petruno instead of Tanta. LOL!
They didn't say they should raise additional funds. They said they shouldn't transfer any money to the owners and officers and they shouldn't do loans beyond what they are making. This sounds a little more like they are trying to keep management from draining the company.
Just got back from my local WAMU branh in San Jose. They are offering fully liquid money market (balances over $25K) at (APY) 4.0%, and some ahort term (8 mo and 13 mo) CDs as high as 4.5% I had an existing money market account at 3.3%, but they would not give me the higher rate, since it was not "new money". So, I closed my existing account and opened a new one with the same proceeds, now at the higher rate. What a waste of 45 minutes and their employee time. The bank employee was very apologetic, and she also explained that people had no reason to be concerned about WAMU going out of business, because the above market CD rates were bringing in lots of new deposits! ....
The good thing is that the Olympics are keeping everyone calm. If Michael Phelps doesn't win an event or when the Olymics end, people will come back to the reality. And when they do, they are going to be morose about the economy. And they'll want to do something, but they will have to wait until after the elections. After the elections are going to suck.
One interesting thought -- If DSL had failed last Friday, August DSL puts would have paid out in full (or nearly). However, by pushing an official collapse off until this Friday the counterparty to those options will suffer a smaller loss. I'm a very suspicious cookie, and the recent actions by the treasury, Fed, and SEC make me wonder if there isn't some manipulation here. Why have there been so many interventions during options expiry week? Are the IBs on the other side of this trade?
I'm just not getting the recent action at all. I can't think of any positive spin for this DSL news, try as I might, and yet the whole crew of zombie-banks has been remarkably strong. SKF I can get, even if I don't agree; some of the banks and builders make good noises and suddenly everybody wants to be the first into the bargain bin. But DSL? CORS?
Periwinkle, read their filing: "In response to the challenges facing Downey in the current operating environment, Downey has formed a special Board committee to explore a range of strategic alternatives, including the raising of additional capital to levels deemed by the Board to be appropriate under the circumstances."
You don't think the regulators are pushing them to raise? LOL!
...a special Board committee to explore a range of strategic alternatives...
aka undertakers.
I didn't think DSL would last this long. Not just their California exposure to housing but their more recent auto purchase/leasing emergencies du jour.
My mother was born on the exact day of THE bank holiday. It will make birthday cards difficult if they declare another.
Didn't Downey just announce about 2 weeks ago that they had over $3B of liquidity on hand? Right about the time that WaMu announced that they had 40-50B? Must have really dwindled fast.
I have a hard time believing anyone would be stupid enough to catch the falling knife with DSL and CORS, but the disproportionate reward/risk on a stock that could potentially triple on a momentum play could be tempting for a degenerate gambler. And there are plenty of misguided optimists/fools/gamblers on Wall Street.
However i like the conspiracy theory of options expiry too.
"House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI) today announced plans to review allegations that senior Bush Administration officials ordered the forgery and dissemination of false intelligence documents ..."
Downey is now officially an off-balance sheet, (Option Arm) SIV of the FDIC.
The next administration will have to put it on balance sheet. Until then, the regulators will play pretend as long as brokered deposit holders cooperate.
Come to think of it, substitute "People's Bank of China" for "brokered deposit holders", and the same applies to Fannie and Freddie.
Banking Analyst Richard Bove issued a list of at-risk banks over the weekend. In his Who Is Next? report for Ladenburg Thalmann, Bove named banks he considers to be in the danger zone. CNBC reports that some of these financial institutions include: Downey Financial, Corus Bankshares, Doral Financial, FirstFed Financial, Oriental Financial, and BankUnited Financial. According to Calculated Risk, even Washington Mutual was named in the report where Bove divided non-performing assets by reserves and added common equity.
MarketWatch says that Downey Financial reports its non-performing assets hit 14.33 percent of its total assets in May, up from 10.75 percent at the end of February. Last year, the institutions non-performing assets were a mere 1.3 percent. Such a slip in not unprecedented in 2008. Even without Countrywides Angelo Mozilos tutelage, mightier institutions have fallen.
Whos Who of Financial Blunders?
Including IndyMac, Calculated Risk reports that five banks have hit the pavement so far in 2008, and that number is likely to grow as larger banks struggle to meet their current set of challenges...
Historically, when dividend restrictions are imposed the bank does not recover and is either closed, merged, or another solution is used to resolve the problem(s).
Then the bigger culprit was the failure or negligence on the part of Americas regulators, thanks to the Republicans laissez faire religion. Cheap money, without policing, was equivalent to legalizing heroin without any controls on usage.
There's probably some truth to that...
The flip side is that offering free heroin but saying "no herion junkies please" doesn't make much sense either.
The point was the Fed was relying on aggresive risk taking speculators (aka heroin junkies) to borrow this money and reflate the economy because they're the only ones that would.
A sane non drugged-up person would not loan money to people who just displayed the lack of judgement shown in the tech bubble.
Period.
It's not an issue of using the cheap money wisely.
The issue is that cheap money is by definition unwise, otherwise it wouldn't be cheap money -- it would be correctly priced money.
"Regulators have been investigating the collapse in the market to determine who was responsible for its demise. UBS and Citigroup agreed to repurchase the securities at par value as part of the settlement. Any customers who sold the securities at a loss after the market failed will also be reimbursed."
The hits just keep coming. Fed will be the recapitalizer of last resort...
tj & the bear writes:
"-Anyone notice PMs are down for the year?-"
This could be it -- the last big buying opportunity.
Dammit, I'm not ready!!!
Before you leap, what are your plans for the shiny yellow stuff? And if desperate source nations start dumping? Or technology proves out seawater extraction? Or Circuit makers substitute?
"Historically, when dividend restrictions are imposed the bank does not recover and is either closed, merged, or another solution is used to resolve the problem(s)."
For example, if oil were gold, 90% of the oil ever pumped would still be sitting around in storage tanks. Do you think oil would be $100+ a barrel (or $800+ an ounce!) then, hmmm????
Anyone notice PMs are down for the year? Platinum esp. looks like a disaster.
The "precious" in gold and silver is just as relative as they don't make any more land here. And the volatility in PMs is much higher than in RE.
O-Joe
Thank goodness for DSL puts...
It will be difficult for a regional bank such as this one to raise additional funds. I like the proactive involvement of the FDIC to set the bank on the right course.
On a Monday, no less.
Turn out the lights, the party's over
Its funny that a year ago most felt that Downey was in better shape than FirstFed due to its more extensive branch network. Downey is pretty much toast, while FirstFed still is getting fairly positive spin in the LA Times (and a loftier stock price).
Despite the spin, I think First Fed is toast too. Lots of option ARMs
OK, I emailed Tanta days ago about the FDIC "all is well" ad in the Los Angeles Times, alluding to the potential for unusual withdrawal and deposit activity at FED and DSL (and other regionals). Not even a response to my email. Now read this: "Struggling thrift Downey Financial Corp. said today that it succeeded in staunching a recent outflow of deposits." Downey says deposits are returning, but funding still iffy | Money & Company | Los Angeles Times
Huh, maybe I should start tipping off Tom Petruno instead of Tanta. LOL!
BTW, STILL no post on the FDIC struggling?
One of the few bank stocks that went down today. Who could have known that?
They didn't say they should raise additional funds. They said they shouldn't transfer any money to the owners and officers and they shouldn't do loans beyond what they are making. This sounds a little more like they are trying to keep management from draining the company.
Just got back from my local WAMU branh in San Jose. They are offering fully liquid money market (balances over $25K) at (APY) 4.0%, and some ahort term (8 mo and 13 mo) CDs as high as 4.5% I had an existing money market account at 3.3%, but they would not give me the higher rate, since it was not "new money". So, I closed my existing account and opened a new one with the same proceeds, now at the higher rate. What a waste of 45 minutes and their employee time. The bank employee was very apologetic, and she also explained that people had no reason to be concerned about WAMU going out of business, because the above market CD rates were bringing in lots of new deposits! ....
The good thing is that the Olympics are keeping everyone calm. If Michael Phelps doesn't win an event or when the Olymics end, people will come back to the reality. And when they do, they are going to be morose about the economy. And they'll want to do something, but they will have to wait until after the elections. After the elections are going to suck.
I just want DSL dead. Dead, dead, dead! CORS, BKUNA and FED, too! No moralism, just puts.
The end is near for Downey.
Is this the banking equivalent of a "Standing 8 Count"?
Smithers - Is that an "insured deposit"
Here are the ones I've been examining: Chevy, Lorain, Security National of SD, and Amarillo.
BG, I hear ya man. I have puts on all but BKUNA.
Barley writes:
"Smithers - Is that an 'insured deposit'"
According to WAMU it is (subject to the insurance limits). Can't I trust WAMU?
All is well!
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One interesting thought -- If DSL had failed last Friday, August DSL puts would have paid out in full (or nearly). However, by pushing an official collapse off until this Friday the counterparty to those options will suffer a smaller loss. I'm a very suspicious cookie, and the recent actions by the treasury, Fed, and SEC make me wonder if there isn't some manipulation here. Why have there been so many interventions during options expiry week? Are the IBs on the other side of this trade?
Gavshire,
I'm just not getting the recent action at all. I can't think of any positive spin for this DSL news, try as I might, and yet the whole crew of zombie-banks has been remarkably strong. SKF I can get, even if I don't agree; some of the banks and builders make good noises and suddenly everybody wants to be the first into the bargain bin. But DSL? CORS?
C'mon, OTS; skip the foreplay, and get down to business (i.e., shutdown).
Periwinkle, read their filing: "In response to the challenges facing Downey in the current operating environment, Downey has formed a special Board committee to explore a range of strategic alternatives, including the raising of additional capital to levels deemed by the Board to be appropriate under the circumstances."
You don't think the regulators are pushing them to raise? LOL!
Is there any significant difference between "approval" and "non-objection"?
...a special Board committee to explore a range of strategic alternatives...
aka undertakers.
I didn't think DSL would last this long. Not just their California exposure to housing but their more recent auto purchase/leasing emergencies du jour.
My mother was born on the exact day of THE bank holiday. It will make birthday cards difficult if they declare another.
Didn't Downey just announce about 2 weeks ago that they had over $3B of liquidity on hand? Right about the time that WaMu announced that they had 40-50B? Must have really dwindled fast.
I have a hard time believing anyone would be stupid enough to catch the falling knife with DSL and CORS, but the disproportionate reward/risk on a stock that could potentially triple on a momentum play could be tempting for a degenerate gambler. And there are plenty of misguided optimists/fools/gamblers on Wall Street.
However i like the conspiracy theory of options expiry too.
"House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI) today announced plans to review allegations that senior Bush Administration officials ordered the forgery and dissemination of false intelligence documents ..."
Conyers Announces Review of Allegations of Bush Administration’s Forged Iraq Intelligence
"C'mon, OTS; skip the foreplay, and get down to business (i.e., shutdown)."
Naaaaaah... Need to give the insiders and family members time to empty their accounts before their money gets tied up.
Downey is now officially an off-balance sheet, (Option Arm) SIV of the FDIC.
The next administration will have to put it on balance sheet. Until then, the regulators will play pretend as long as brokered deposit holders cooperate.
Come to think of it, substitute "People's Bank of China" for "brokered deposit holders", and the same applies to Fannie and Freddie.
Terrorism, the mob and America's mortgage mess
This is another Bush legacy, a second king-sized mess like Iraq that will take years and trillions to sort out.
Terrorism, the mob and America's mortgage mess - Diane Francis
Hahahahahaha............
All, Downey has $1.2 billion in uninsured deposits. Pretty amazing ...
Best Wishes
You can buy a lot of pizzas with half of $1.2 billion
"You can buy a lot of pizzas with half of $1.2 billion "
Pizza. The best the FDIC can do is pizza. Given the pressure and time constraints, you'd think they could at least line up a French provencal eatery.
Pizza. Do I get a Pepsi with that, or just plain water?
With trillions written down globally, DIVIDENDS are very important, because DIVIDENDS represent available CASH!
Don't worry, the swim team is winning gold, buy f*^#ers buy!!!buy!!!!buy!!!
Anyone notice PMs are down for the year? Platinum esp. looks like a disaster.
(Cough) LMAO (Cough)
From July 13:
Banking Analyst Richard Bove issued a list of at-risk banks over the weekend. In his Who Is Next? report for Ladenburg Thalmann, Bove named banks he considers to be in the danger zone. CNBC reports that some of these financial institutions include: Downey Financial, Corus Bankshares, Doral Financial, FirstFed Financial, Oriental Financial, and BankUnited Financial. According to Calculated Risk, even Washington Mutual was named in the report where Bove divided non-performing assets by reserves and added common equity.
MarketWatch says that Downey Financial reports its non-performing assets hit 14.33 percent of its total assets in May, up from 10.75 percent at the end of February. Last year, the institutions non-performing assets were a mere 1.3 percent. Such a slip in not unprecedented in 2008. Even without Countrywides Angelo Mozilos tutelage, mightier institutions have fallen.
Whos Who of Financial Blunders?
Including IndyMac, Calculated Risk reports that five banks have hit the pavement so far in 2008, and that number is likely to grow as larger banks struggle to meet their current set of challenges...
Historically, when dividend restrictions are imposed the bank does not recover and is either closed, merged, or another solution is used to resolve the problem(s).
Then the bigger culprit was the failure or negligence on the part of Americas regulators, thanks to the Republicans laissez faire religion. Cheap money, without policing, was equivalent to legalizing heroin without any controls on usage.
There's probably some truth to that...
The flip side is that offering free heroin but saying "no herion junkies please" doesn't make much sense either.
The point was the Fed was relying on aggresive risk taking speculators (aka heroin junkies) to borrow this money and reflate the economy because they're the only ones that would.
A sane non drugged-up person would not loan money to people who just displayed the lack of judgement shown in the tech bubble.
Period.
It's not an issue of using the cheap money wisely.
The issue is that cheap money is by definition unwise, otherwise it wouldn't be cheap money -- it would be correctly priced money.
Must. Recapitalize. Banks.
"Regulators have been investigating the collapse in the market to determine who was responsible for its demise. UBS and Citigroup agreed to repurchase the securities at par value as part of the settlement. Any customers who sold the securities at a loss after the market failed will also be reimbursed."
The hits just keep coming. Fed will be the recapitalizer of last resort...
Anyone notice PMs are down for the year?
This could be it -- the last big buying opportunity.
Dammit, I'm not ready!!!
The hits just keep coming. Fed will be the recapitalizer of last resort...
There's no problem that can't be solved with the application of a little kleptologistics.
Buy now or be priced out forever!!
tj & the bear writes:
"-Anyone notice PMs are down for the year?-"
This could be it -- the last big buying opportunity.
Dammit, I'm not ready!!!
Before you leap, what are your plans for the shiny yellow stuff? And if desperate source nations start dumping? Or technology proves out seawater extraction? Or Circuit makers substitute?
Glod is a commodity. There is a commodity bubble.
Is there a criteria for the banks where the FDIC must take it over or is it at the FDIC discretion?
I guess I am asking can the rules be broken so not to panic the public and push bankd takeovers down the road or spread them out?
"Glod is a commodity. There is a commodity bubble." - Rob Dawg
I believe in Glod. All hail the mighty Glod! Glod is a bubble that cannot burst. LOL!
"Historically, when dividend restrictions are imposed the bank does not recover and is either closed, merged, or another solution is used to resolve the problem(s)."
Well, good riddance.
Glod is a commodity.
A commodity yes, but not your typical commodity.
For example, if oil were gold, 90% of the oil ever pumped would still be sitting around in storage tanks. Do you think oil would be $100+ a barrel (or $800+ an ounce!) then, hmmm????
Conjure is now long $US.
is it that bad then?
Hmmm. conjure or Feldstein ?
Harvard's Feldstein Says U.S. Dollar Has Further to Decline - Bloomberg.com
"Downey has ... no brokered deposits"
This strikes me as a bad sign. Worse than 'rats jumping ship' bad.
Anyone notice PMs are down for the year? Platinum esp. looks like a disaster.
The "precious" in gold and silver is just as relative as they don't make any more land here. And the volatility in PMs is much higher than in RE.
O-Joe
"Hmmm. conjure or Feldstein ?"
You might find comfort in knowing that Conjure agrees with Feldstein--in the long run.