Déjà vu

just move the phones

Should be Hope 'AND A PRAYER' are on Prospect Mortgage's business cards handled on a print-on-demand basis

Prospect has bought quite a number of production operations in the past year, clearly they are trying to position themselves for the other side. Since they get the businesses for nothing [or less even!], it will be interesting to follow their progress.

When you don't put any money down, you can afford to be patient.

talk about memory loss... (not sure it it would be short or long term memory)

dios mio....

.................

Hey,

What are you doing here anyway; I thought we agreed you do the morning show, and I'm here at night....what gives Lady?

I bet the resumes from these folks are priceless.

If this keeps up, we'll need a genealogy style family-tree to keep it all straight.

Molly Ivins used to like to tell this story back in the 90s about her Aunt Eunice's bank in Texas, that had been aquired so many times she took to calling it Edible National.

The problem is, knowing how corporate assimilations tend to work, those employees probably just got their boxes of IndyMac business cards last week.

I'm guessing that Hope Prospect Mortgage doesn't just get it over with and declare failure because there is some sort of Vegas betting line on the over/under date.

goes all-in for Sept. 1, 2008

Ok, back on topic.

Re: "the branches being renamed"

If I were to rename this mess, I'd go for something like: Acronyms, initialisms, and alphabetisms are abbreviations that are formed using the initial components in a phrase or name.
Acronym and initialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What about, PIMPLE (Prospect IndyMac Prime Lending Enterprise)??

"The rating agency also assigned IndyMac's roughly $720 million of uninsured deposits an "average" recovery rating, suggesting uninsured depositors might get 31 percent to 50 percent of their money back"

Well, I would fully expect at least a $720mm run on deposits.

what's Prospect's ticker symbol, are they public?

I'm running low on short candidates, this looks to be good.

Well, I would fully expect at least a $720mm run on deposits.

I'm off to the bank!

Hey, Senator Shumer tried to warn all those idiots! Aren't we going to have one big boo hoo hoo for anyone who loses any money with IndyMac!

Prospect is the company that absorbed Metrocities, the company that tried to have a loan originator sitting in every indep. bank and real estate office in the country. (I think they did make a lot of progress towards this goal).

http://www.metrocitiesmtg.com/pdfs/060407.pdf

But what are they up to? Why would they touch this? The real estate?

Johnston and Bergum must be experts at "It's not our fault, really!"

You would have to be a moron to believe these two after pulling this trick again.

Here's an amusing little item heard on the radio. Apparently, adult-oriented websites and services have experienced an uptick in revenue recently, despite the recession. According to their clientele, 31% claim that the government stimulus checks are being used as a payment source.

Brings new meaning to the term "stimulus package."

Challenge:

Guess what the low price of the following stocks will be (before they turn up eventually):

C
AXA
ING
DB
RBS
AIG
AZ
SWCEY

I won't ask about Indymac of others that probably won't make it through the financial winter.

central...quite funny, really. Thanks.

Erm... These 60 branch offices and 750 employees... I take it these were primarily loan origination offices. Now that IndyMac has stepped back from new loan origination, who will be getting the loans originated from these 60 offices ?

Who exactly are these companies going to lend to and what kind of a moron is going to buy real estate in a collapsing market? We had over 6 million in foreclosure notices in our local paper yesterday, this is a small county.

Hangtown writes:
Who exactly are these companies going to lend to and what kind of a moron is going to buy real estate in a collapsing market? We had over 6 million in foreclosure notices in our local paper yesterday, this is a small county.
Hangtown | 07.08.08 - 9:04 pm | #

I take it that is in dollahs... not units. If so that's like what, a single block out at McAllister Ranch?

And if its rural Midwest - one half decent sized farm can cost $6 mil [and I expect to see them start imploding en masse as soon as commodity prices CLEARLY top off - idiots are levering up there again just like early 80s prior to farm crisis].

People never learn - lenders & borrowers alike.

The post tag is priceless...

Central,
I don't know what Prospect's ticker symbol is, but following Aunt Betty's lead, I am going to guess that it's ZIT.

So we know what happened to AHMI, Countrywide, and IndyMac, so how about ML's First Franklin?

...Oh, and that's quite a track record Ron and Mark are setting there, ya think?

...Oops, John and Ron. I apologize to all Marks everywhere!

Aunt Betty said: What about, PIMPLE (Prospect IndyMac Prime Lending Enterprise)??

How About Asset Security Services of Prospect IndyMac Prime Lending Enterprise?

Damn, those ass pimples!

You people have way too much time on your hands.

Even if Prospect is a little premature, they certainly were much more patient than BoA.

I bet the pay that Prospect's CEO receives is a wee bit smaller than Lewis'...

brilliant post, Tanta!

I had heard about this. And have now read about it...my thoughts...and they seem to ring shallow as I grasp for an over used phrase.."kinda like shuffling chairs on the Titanic"

whhoopps...nice to see a post Tanta! Thanks!

I have written before about my one man leading indicator for lenders about to go down.

He was at IndyMac and then jumped ship a month ago to join Metrocities Mortgage.

Metrocities was acquired as part of the Prospect Mortgage in June 2007 as part of an investment strategy by Sterling Partners, a private equity fund group based in Chicago and Baltimore.

And where was this one man leading indicator before IndyMac? Why at American Home Mortgage of course.

I would offer that Prospect approached IndyMac after their share value went under a buck. IndyMac balked and was insulted by the offer. Then of course the saw the light and now hope to be born again...as what? Anyway, my theory is Prospect is waiting for Uncle Sam to come up with a bail-out that does not look too much like a pig and then re-prime the subprime and offer the new and improved version of securitization...what ever that will become.

Anyway. If Uncle Sam does not buy Prospect a pony they will be crying UNCLE when the one man leading indicator comes through again and Metrocities goes down.

IndyMac shareholders are probably praying they can get back to a buck or better to complete the run on the bank and cut their losses while they are marginally ahead.

Tanta,

What's the over/under on the life expectancy of Prospect? Put me down for $20 on 6 months.

Hey, maybe the boys in Vegas could start a line on these!

Dudes,

You need to do some research before commenting. Prospect has some pretty solid financial backing. Not every mortgage company is going to be a loser. Picking up 60 deposit generating SoCal branches isn't a bad thing. The world isn't going to end despite the predictions here.

"Johnston and Bergum were senior retail banking executives at now-bankrupt American Home Mortgage Co. before joining Indymac."


huh!?


and now they got picked up by Prospect?

am i reading this right?...what the hell do these guys know?

or who the hell did these guys blow...i mean know?

Tboth Johnston and Bergum were senior retail banking executives at now-bankrupt American Home Mortgage Co. before joining Indymac.

So the thinking is, another ship that was never seaworthy is sinking, let's see if we can entice the rats as they run for safety?

Shrewd thinking, at some point these guys luck has just got to change.

Peter Viles' post about IndyMac's worth compared to Rush Limbaugh's salary was very interesting. If I remember correctly, the weekend of the BSC meltdown the Powerball was at $200Mil - so if one had hit the numbers they could have outbid Dimon (backstopped by the Fed).

Tom Lindemark--
I agree that the need for the service and the market itself will survive the downtown, and when the tide turns there will be a viable business. The only question I have about this garden is--are these businesses annuals or are they perennials? If the former, they die with the change of seasons and new plantings fill the beds next season. If the latter, then, yes, the nvestment makes sense (timing is another question, if so, of course).
Like the late Molly Ivins, I watched the Texas regional banking scene collapse in the 1980s. Everyone of the large bank holding companies in Houston and Dallas failed or was bought by an outsider (Cullen Frost out of San Antonio was the biggest local to survive as an independent). Some of them failed or were acquired repeatedly when the first knife catchers turned out to be early.

Certain in the 90s the Texans had banking needs, and those needs were met. But they were met by institutions that were headquartered in Charlotte, New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco.

At least this transaction means a few more paychecks for the people working at Prospect while they look for paying jobs in another field.

So how many former executes of failed companies now work @ Prospect?

Tom Lindmark,

That's "Dude-ette," to you.

Don't exaggerate. No one here is predicting the world is going to end. That's the Mayan Calendar theorists on another website.

What people are saying is that lenders with significant exposure to subprime, Alt-A, ARM, Neg-Am, and other risky loans - and there are MANY such companies out there - are losing big and will be losing bigger. Catastrophically bigger, business-wise and economy-wise.

Question for CR and Tanta - is there a way to identify and quantify the mortgage lenders who maintained high standards, what their market share is, and whether their collective share may provide a stabilizing influence? Did ANY major lenders maintain high standards?

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