Market rally tomorrow. To the moon. Crazy.

very upset if this goes thru, not for me but for my daughter (14) and her future children. What a waste of a great country..

the 800B in the debt ceiling is exactly the amount required to handle the Alt-A resets coming.

Me too. At least a cap of some sort is in place. Whatever that may mean.

Who cares about the market?

Welcome to The United States of Goldman Sachs.

PLEASE fax or call Senator Bunning and tell him that it is up to him to make good on his threat to FILIBUSTER the Housing Bailout bill, and that you stand behind him.

Also, please fax Congressman Garrett and ask for his help as well.

Folks, we need to FLOOD these two people's fax machines. Here is their contact information:

FAX Senator Jim Bunning; 202-228-1373
FAX Congressman Scott Garrett; 202-225-9048

Pass this around, post it on Yahoo finance, on blogs, EVERYWHERE.

We need to FLOOD these two guys with support RIGHT NOW.

But at the rate of federal cashburn, once the $10T (!) level is breached, then they can go to town.

They just don't have to breach it.

So Hank gets an 800 billion dollar check this year for bailout funds. Nice job boys!!!

$10 Trillion looking more likely?... Hell, it's in the bag!... Comrade.

MiTurn writes:
Market rally tomorrow. To the moon. Crazy.

I think you're absolutely correct on this... We just phucked our kids (again) and the markets applaud. God damn Pigmen.

President - WS got drunk. He jokes about the whole issue... no wonder we are near $10 trillion:

Houston Blogs: Houston Political Blog

Great read from the ticker forum. Apologies it's long and don't have the link.

From Paul Gigot in the WSJ:

'Fan and Fred have been protected by an alliance of Capitol Hill and Wall Street...In late 2001, I got a tip that Fannie's derivatives accounting might be suspect. I asked Susan Lee to investigate, and the editorial she wrote in February 2002, "Fannie Mae Enron?", sent Fannie's shares down nearly 4% in a day. In retrospect, my only regret is the question mark.

Mr. Raines reacted with immediate fury, denouncing us in a letter to the editor as "glib, disingenuous, contorted, even irresponsible," and that was the subtle part. He turned up on CNBC to say, in essence, that we had made it all up because we didn't want poor people to own houses, while Freddie issued its own denunciation.

The companies also mobilized their Wall Street allies, who benefited both from promoting their shares and from selling their mortgage-backed securities, or MBSs. The latter is a beautiful racket, thanks to the previously implicit and now explicit government guarantee that the companies are too big to fail. The Street can hawk Fan and Fred MBSs as nearly as safe as Treasurys but with a higher yield. They make a bundle in fees.

At the time, Wall Street's Fannie apologists outdid themselves with their counterattack. One of the most slavish was Jonathan Gray, of Sanford C. Bernstein, who wrote to clients that the editorial was "unfounded and unsubstantiated" and "discredits the paper." My favorite point in his Feb. 20, 2002, Bernstein Research Call was this rebuttal to our point that "Taxpayers Are on The Hook: This is incorrect. The agencies' debt is not guaranteed by the U.S. Treasury or any agency of the Federal Government." Oops.

Mr. Gray's memo made its way to Wall Street Journal management via Michael Ellmann, a research analyst who had covered Dow Jones and was then at Grantham, Mayo, Van Otterloo & Co. "I think Gray is far more accurate than your editorial writer. Your subscribers deserve better," he wrote to one senior executive.

I also received several interventions from friends and even Dow Jones colleagues on behalf of the companies. But I was especially startled one day to find in my mail a personal letter from George Gould, an acquaintance about whom I'd written a favorable column when he was Treasury undersecretary for finance in 1988.

Mr. Gould's letter assailed our editorials and me in nasty personal terms, and I quickly discovered the root of his vitriol: Though his letter didn't say so, he had become a director of Freddie Mac. He was still on the board when Freddie's accounting lapses finally exploded into a scandal some months later.

The companies eased their assaults when they concluded we weren't about to stop, and in any case they soon had bigger problems. Freddie's accounting fiasco became public in 2003, while Fannie's accounting blew up in 2004. Mr. Raines was forced to resign, and a report by regulator James Lockhart discovered that Fannie had rigged its earnings in a way that allowed it to pay huge bonuses to Mr. Raines and other executives.

Such a debacle after so much denial would have sunk any normal financial company, but once again Fan and Fred could fall back on their political protection. In the wake of Freddie's implosion, Republican Rep. Cliff Stearns of Florida held one hearing on its accounting practices and scheduled more in early 2004.

He was soon told that not only could he hold no more hearings, but House Speaker Dennis Hastert was stripping his subcommittee of jurisdiction over Fan and Fred's accounting and giving it to Mike Oxley's Financial Services Committee. "It was because of all their lobbying work," explains Mr. Stearns today, in epic understatement. Mr. Oxley proceeded to let Barney Frank (D., Mass.), then in the minority, roll all over him and protect the companies from stronger regulatory oversight. Mr. Oxley, who has since retired, was the featured guest at no fewer than 19 Fannie-sponsored fund-raisers.

Or consider the experience of Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, one of the GOP's bright young lights who decided in the 1990s that Fan and Fred needed more supervision. As he held town hall meetings in his district, he soon noticed a man in a well-tailored suit hanging out amid the John Deere caps and street clothes. Mr. Ryan was being stalked by a Fannie lobbyist monitoring his every word.

On another occasion, he was invited to a meeting with the Democratic mayor of Racine, which is in his district, though he wasn't sure why. When he arrived, Mr. Ryan discovered that both he and the mayor had been invited separately -- not by each other, but by a Fannie lobbyist who proceeded to tell them about the great things Fannie did for home ownership in Racine.

When none of that deterred Mr. Ryan, Fannie played rougher. It called every mortgage holder in his district, claiming (falsely) that Mr. Ryan wanted to raise the cost of their mortgage and asking if Fannie could tell the congressman to stop on their behalf. He received some 6,000 telegrams. When Mr. Ryan finally left Financial Services for a seat on Ways and Means, which doesn't oversee Fannie, he received a personal note from Mr. Raines congratulating him. "He meant good riddance," says Mr. Ryan.

Fan and Fred also couldn't prosper for as long as they have without the support of the political left, both in Congress and the intellectual class. This includes Mr. Frank and Sen. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) on Capitol Hill, as well as Mr. Krugman and the Washington Post's Steven Pearlstein in the press. Their claim is that the companies are essential for homeownership.

Yet as studies have shown, about half of the implicit taxpayer subsidy for Fan and Fred is pocketed by shareholders and management. According to the Federal Reserve, the half that goes to homeowners adds up to a mere seven basis points on mortgages. In return for this, Fannie was able to pay no fewer than 21 of its executives more than $1 million in 2002, and in 2003 Mr. Raines pocketed more than $20 million. Fannie's left-wing defenders are underwriters of crony capitalism, not affordable housing.

So here we are this week, with the House and Senate preparing to commit taxpayer money to save Fannie and Freddie. The implicit taxpayer guarantee that Messrs. Gray and Raines and so many others said didn't exist has become explicit. Taxpayers may end up having to inject capital into the companies, in addition to guaranteeing their debt.

The abiding lesson here is what happens when you combine private profit with government power. You create political monsters that are protected both by journalists on the left and pseudo-capitalists on Wall Street, by liberal Democrats and country-club Republicans. Even now, after all of their dishonesty and failure, Fannie and Freddie could emerge from this taxpayer rescue more powerful than ever. Campaigning to spare taxpayers from that result would represent genuine "change," not that either presidential candidate seems interested.

I saw this on an earlier post:

Jillayne writes:
Hey CR,

I am looking forward to hearing you speak at the Inman Real Estate Connect conference in San Fran tomorrow afternoon!
Jillayne | Homepage | 07.22.08 - 10:54 pm | #

is it true?

................

WaMu Shows Paulson Mortgage Rescue Plan Is Perilous

WaMu Shows Paulson Mortgage Rescue Plan Is Perilous (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's plan to revive U.S. mortgage financing depends on investors buying the same kind of bonds they're shunning in Europe.

Paulson says the $3.3 trillion covered-bond market, which dates back to 18th-century Prussia, is a remedy for the worst housing crash since the Great Depression. It offers ``new sources of mortgage funding'' that will cut costs for homebuyers, he said at a forum in Washington on July 8.


Regression.

GE Interest plus.

didnt GE "break the buck" just before the single bad quarter in a half century?

yet they advertise here for money?

more hot sauce, I like my depends smelling plenty spicey.

I'm thinking long everything tomorrow and for 2 weeks. Too bad I closed what few longs I had and happen to be short REITs and some financials.

I don't know about oil or anything that is sensitive to a weak dollar. I also nibbled long oil today after closing out DUG yesterday. May cushion my fall from the 40th story...

futures still kinda flat. Slow reaction?

Congress only raised the debt limit by $800 billion?

That's not going to last very long.
Barely a year at the current rate, which is very likely to increase as revenues fall.

Prediction - Obama's first crisis will be the debt limit!

How many times does Barney Frank calls his ceditors to up his credit line?

ZERO!

Y'know, I've been out of touch for a couple of days and it's been refreshing.

That said, I went with my FIL to a WB branch today and the teller was an idiot.

I think that the situation is that this is starting to pass out of the government's hands. Paulsen only has mebbe 5 months left in position and O's guy is going to have his/her hands full. If they move to the old Keynesian model, the deficit is going to move even higher and the foreigners are more likely to want to dump the buck.

I'm still in ultrashorts for R2K and will let some time pass before I buy some more. Gravity will prevail.

Paulson says the $3.3 trillion covered-bond market... is a remedy

Paulson's solution to too much debt is more debt but with a cool-looking logo?

Gad, this is just madness....

Stuart: Thanks, that was a great article.

Maybe this is the last time in my lifetime that Americans vote for another president from Texas.

George W. Bush
PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY (Coming January, 2009)
Welcome to the future home of the officious Geroge W. Bush Presidential Library. This patriotic website will serve as an authoritative digital archive, dedicated to preserving and celebrating the godly legacy of the most honest, peaceful, and intelligent leader in the 6,000 year history of the planet Earth.
George W. Bush Presidential Library 

Oh that's hysterical -- neither SMU or anyone else wanted his "colostomy legacy" and the library will only exist in the virtual world?

FFDIC,
I think many of us think perhaps it could be the last time Americans vote for a President.

Actually, that's not true, but 4 years ago not too many people were pessimistic about housing.

FFDIC-

I just threw-up in my mouth.

I'm going to bed.

ades- "is it true? "

Yes, nades, it is true.

CR, be sure to wear your Lone Ranger mask.

Tell everyone you know to vote out an incumbent. I have been betrayed by the republican party and will NEVER vote for a republican again. The republicans have been and continue to be the most fiscally irresponsible political party in the history of our nation.

Hello underground economy.

Saw a Walgreen's sign tonight that said "We sell Walkers,wheelchairs and GPS systems"

"...the most honest, peaceful, and intelligent leader in the 6,000 year history of the planet Earth."

Conjure Bag says, "Whoa! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!"

"BWAH, I can't stop!"

BWAHAHAHAHAAHA!

DC is absolutely convinced they can borrow their way out of any problem, that someone somewhere will always finance their profligacy.

Given politician's proclivity for making the worst possible choices, is there really any question that the Greater Depression is all but inevitable?

Just imagine what's coming to China where practicaly every single company is some sort of Fannie Mae. The Cultural Revolution is going to look like a day at the beach.
Anyway, welcome to the U.S. of Fuc@ing Mae!

Corn, Wheat Decline on Falling Energy Costs, Japan Grain Plan

Corn, Wheat Decline on Falling Energy Costs, Japan Grain Plan - Bloomberg.com

We have been Cornholiod!

"...and GPS systems"

Let me guess. So you can figure out how much ground you've covered in your wheel chair?

Resistance is futile.

All your senators are belonging to us.

.

Banker, is that really you?

How's the Banker Dome holding up?

Got canned tuna and chocolate drink mix?

long calls, but with derivative swaps.... thats where the money goes to die.

keep buying SKF calls......does not compute...

We are so fu(ked.
Please note it will only cost $25 billion (per the GAO) but they need to raise the federal debt limit by $800 billion. And remember, Freddie/Fannie hold over $5 trillion of mortgage debt. Do you believe that the losses on $5 trillion of mortgage paper will only be $25b?
I think if this passes, the spike in treasuries will continue, Freddie/Fannie will eventually be directly monetizing mortgages, and weÂ’ll have runaway inflation.

I picked up a book today: "John Maynard Keynes: The General Theory Of Employment, Interest and Money

I wanted to bring up two points from this book, which caught my attention, from page 171:

"Thus each increase in the quantity of money must raise the price of bonds sufficiently to exceed the expectations of some 'bull' and so influence him to sell his bond for cash and join the 'bear' brigade."

In addition, another related thought on page 306.

There may be, for example, some fairly stable proportion of the national income more than which people will not readily keep in the shape of idle balances for long periods together, provided the rate of interest exceeds a certain psychological minimum; so that if the quantity of money beyond what is required in the active circulation is in excess of this proportion of the national income, there will be a tendency sooner or later for the interest to fall to the neighborhood of this minimum.

We need a new Fed!

Banker, you get what you paid for! The end results are not going to be prety. "I am too poor to buy cheap things", comes to my mind.

mortgage bailout bill is 690 pages long! anyone have a synopsis?

mortgage bailout bill is 690 pages long!

Ahh, excellent.
They outsourced it to China.

690 pages? They must have lots of Tantas over there.

"mortgage bailout bill is 690 pages long! anyone have a synopsis?"

Bend-over, this won't hurt a bit. But you might feel a slight tickle on your tonsils.

Got glod?

Choosing Depression Style Cottages Over McMansions:
YouTube
- Choosing Cottages Over McMansions

synopsis: Bend over here it comes again. Don't worry your children will get it worst. I'll also be taking your wallet while I'm behind you. Obama was right; but its better to learn Mandarin or Hindi than Spanish.

you may get a move toward oil and gold out of this....and a move down in the dollar past the previous low.

Re: Paulson wants to create a version of Europe's market for covered bonds in the U.S. just as sales of the debt have fallen to a six-month low and prices have dropped 2.5 percent this year. While the securities are backed by loans and bank assets to get AAA ratings, most are valued, on average, as if they were three levels lower.

This guy is Satan, he has destroyed America and this bullshit with covered bonds is insane! All this does is take a pool of shit loans and spin them off in GSE-like AAA packages, kinda like Fannie and Freddie..WTF is going on in this country?

If Bernanke gave testimony in a short skirt (without panties) and wore green lipstick and a red wig, like a mortgage pig cartoon, no one would fuc-ing care, no one would notice -- there is no shock value when the world is filled with retards like Paulson!

Don't worry your children will get it worst.

That's the plan, but IMO the consequences will come a little earlier this time around. All things considered, that's a good thing.

Viva el peso! Y vamonos compa!
Zacatecas-Pepe Aguilar El Azcatecano
YouTube
- Zacatecas-Pepe Aguilar El Zacatecano

$10T eh?

I'd venture that the debt & GDP will cross paths in the not-so-distant future.

Paulson isn't a retard. But he is shocked! Simply shocked! :
"I would rather not be in the position of asking for extraordinary authorities to support the GSEs," or government-sponsored entities, Mr. Paulson said in his speech at the New York Public Library. "But I am playing the hand that I have been dealt."

--from Bloomberg

And another thing, the market will rocket in the morning, because the bad news is priced in; all the people that have mutual funds and high end yield investments who are getting dividends wiped out -- they love it and the mutual funds that connect baby boomers to cash flow, love the div cuts and the loss of future value. No fuc-ing problem, all this bad news and the decline of yields and intrinsic value, related to fundamental reality and future EPS -- forget about it -- wall street can piss away trillions of dollars and then by slight of hand, use taxpayer cash to issue dividends and make up any loss that they may have mis-managed. Just imagine, banks that are valuable now, are banks that make more bad bets than good bets, and that if your bank should need a write off a $20 billion, then good, your dividend probably will go up and we all will help you make up that loss that you didn't have to take..

BARF!

Stuart, thanks for posting that Fannie/Freddie article.

here's the link if anyone wants to spread it around:

"Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are unique in their thuggery" [Rumors] - MarketTicker Forums

From the sluts at Reuters:

Infrastructure could spur new stimulus: Rep

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The House is talking about spending big cash, err I mean debt, on new infrastructure projects. Too bad we're already broke.

WPA?

Viva el peso!

Yah, yah...VIVA Intervention!

Cougars, you kid.

Paulson...Bush...these guys are really thumbing their NOSES at us!

Re: infrastructure projects

Asphalt! The Fed will buy into infrastructure repair at the worst possible time and then add to inflation, because they will assume greater debt, buying stuff like asphalt that has almost tripled in price -- it aint in the budget baby, not at The Fed, not in the states, counties or cities (or home owner associations).

I knew I shoulda left this PC off tonight!

It all seems to be contained now. Paulson was right after all he just didn't know it at the time that he first lied to us. I can sleep tonight. Bless that man.

Will Bush, Paulson, Bernanke and all those other morons answer to God? That is a rhetorical question (I think)? yah, it is!

Sorry, previous Paulson quote from WSJ, not Bloomberg

I just threw my H. Paulson talking bobble head in the dishwasher--too much bad news!

The Bernanke talking bobble head is buried in the back yard

I once read that if you place your Bernanke doll upside down in the backyard, it can help sell your house?

http://www.georgewbush.org/ is a goof registered by Chickenhead Productions in 2000

Whois info

Paulson/Treasury/FDIC/ has a website that offers a kit for selling your home!

St. Joseph Statue: The Home Sellers Statue Kit for St. Joseph Believers

St. Joseph Statue Dual Kit - Pewter & Plastic
The perfect deluxe kit. A beautiful solid pewter statue for your mantle and a simple, small plastic version to bury. The dual kit means you can have St. Joseph buried and in a place of honor on your mantle at the same time.

the thing I am most upset about is that 4 billion dollars to give to local governments.

Ill never get a cheap home now Sad

freddyinp'town writes:
'Cougars, you kid.'

This kid saw Casablanca/Claude Raines--as a corrupt official (paraphrased):
Shocked to find there is gambling here! As his gambling winnings are given to him.

The solemn tradition of burying St. Joseph in the earth began hundreds of years ago in Europe. During those times, an order of nuns prayed to St. Joseph (the patron saint of the family and household needs) when they needed more lands for convents. The Sisters were encouraged to bury their St. Joseph medals in the ground.
The medals evolved into statues, culminaing with the complete "Underground Real Estate Agent" Kit currently available. Today, thousands of homesellers and real estate agents nationwide continue this successful tradition; they are looking for a little divine intervention.

I planted a Yur-O tree next to the B. Bernanke buried bobble head. My landscape artist tells me it will start producing Yur-Os in the next season, due to the high level of helpful fertilizer BS bernanke spews.

Happy Pickens!

Bank Investors Redefine Bad News
Can the bad news for banks get any worse? (You bet your sweet ass as we say in Texas.)
Refilling With Hope - NY Times

I want to see a Bernanke Bobblehead doll testify to Congress.

The Feds could sell tickets.

Barney Frank sleeps with his Bobblehead doll named Bengie.

If u put the bobble head dolls in the freezer, the cryogenic process guarantees you a negative real interest rate return. better to bury next to a Yur-O or Yen tree.

Dutchtrader, i'm with you on that stupid 4 billion they want to give to cities .

Property tax collections are going down with the bust so I guess now their solution is to give cities a "cut" on the RE profits and then cloak it in the term "affordable housing" to try to make themselves look concerned about the average citizen.

Amazing that none of these polticians who yammer on and on about affordable housing are actually willing to let housing correct to affordability, isn't it?

Hee Hee, Broward, your meme machine must be exploding due to the traffic on the drunken wall street bush video.

ha, i actually love what Bush said about Wall Street.

Too bad he doesn't have the guts to scream it out on Primetime.

Or veto any of the legislation that Congress is so slap happy to pass that would help teach Wall Street a lesson.

Good Night and Good Luck.

I hope everyone has a Yur-O tree.

If the goes threw these ass wipes just guaranteed this is going to get a whole lot worse.

That makes me wanna have a beer!

"There is no question about it. Wall Street got drunk," the president said. "That's one reason I asked you to turn off your TV cameras."
"The question is, How long will it (take to) sober up and not try to do all these fancy financial instruments?"

Anyone wanna bet that we get a "strong dollar" speech tommorrow?

video of Bush??

YouTube -  

I know what I'd do if I had a Bernanke bobblehead.

I'd mix up some

"Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,--
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble."

Burning in Hell is too good for these criminals.

I hope everyone has a Yur-O tree

"Yur-o Tree... the next best thing to owning a Senator"

Saw this yesterday, Anon. If you're going to quote the Imbecile, you should quote him verbatim,

"The question is, How long will it sober up and not try to do all these fancy financial instruments?"

because no matter how hard he tries, (presuming he actually does try,) he still can't utter an unflawed sentence.

Hi Nades,

It is true. Maybe CR will phone in like Charlie from Charlie's Angels.

His picture was not posted in the "speakers bio" section of the convention brochure. Instead, there was simply a picture of Batman.

..., Mr. Paulson said in his speech at the New York Public Library. "But I am playing the hand that I have been dealt."

He forgot to mention the part about how he just finished dealing the cards from a stacked deck while at Goldman Sachs.

Here are the numbers for the Capitol Hill Switchboard TOLL FREE:

1-877-851-6437
1-800-828-0498
1-800-614-2803
1-866-340-9281
1-866-338-1015
1-866-220-0044

PLEASE call in the AM and jam that switchboard with calls to STOP this BAILOUT!

"It is true. Maybe CR will phone in like Charlie from Charlie's Angels."

Or maybe he'll get drunk and get caught on cameraphone telling us what he really thinks.

Oh, and pass those numbers along. Just flood those jokers with calls.

Pigmen! Meet the pigmen! They're the modern-finance wallet thieves! From the town of New York, have a taste of Roman history!

Let's ride, with the pigmen down the street, suckling from Bernake's willing teat, when you're with the pigmen, have a wallet filling doo time
white collar true crime, You'll have a gay old time!

"Anyone wanna bet that we get a "strong dollar" speech tomorrow?"

The law of supply and demand cannot be conned,it may take a week or two but Mr. Market is going to get it's pound of flesh one way or another for this stupidity.

Futures are moving up; USD-JPY is moving up. Oil is moving down. Prelude to another rally!

So they are giving Paulson the bazooka he asked for so that he can shoot dollars at the bankrupt. Watch out subprime lenders, Paulson will shoot you with greenbacks.

I have a master plan for New York and the big cities, however.
Stage 1: sell all buildings to foreigners in one big auction. Once in a lifetime opportunity.
Stage 2: ???
Stage 3: Let the dollar go to hell and inflation run wild.
Stage 4: Vote back in rent control in nominal dollars. (NY once even had commercial rent control)
Kill the Chinese creditors with soft socialism.
We can do this! Power to the non-homeowners!

So feds are giving 4bn to local govs so they can flip houses? We're all flippers now.

The debt-ceiling clause is a joke because, every time Congress maxes-out the national credit card, it just uses a little Wite-Out to raise its credit limit again.

3 Visitors Online. Perfect time to make a very out-there post.

In trying to figure out who is funding Roubini (could ask him I guess), I took a look at the team page on his website. Most noteable there is Larry Summers who had been chief economist to the world bank, sec. of the treasury, and member of the Group of Thirty (GoT).

(GoT, per uncle wiki, is headed by Geoffrey Bell, an advisor of central banks and special friend of the central bank of Venezuela)

Larry Summers. He is the fellow who helped engineer the bailout of LTCM (uncited on wiki), and is currently a managing director at D.E. Shaw.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.E._Shaw%26_Co.

Look carefully at D.E. Shaw. VERY quiet, mysterious hedge fund that has a talent for hiring the brightest people from all sorts of disciplines.

So, Roubini, Summers, and D.E. Shaw. Could D.E. Shaw's investors be profiting from Roubini's doomsaying?

An example of the type of people that were/are employed at Shaw - Jeff Bezos, founder of Amazon.com He is the guy who coined the term "artificial artificial intelligence." This is the term he applies to the functioning of the "Amazon Mechanical Turk"

http://requester.mturk.com/mturk/help?helpPage=whatis

(see also the wikip. page for mechanical turk. fascinating stuff)

This has interesting implications for hedge fund world. Could be that they reached a limit as to what physicists and software engineers could do to make them money. You can write a program that will perform up to a certain point, but then maybe you need the input of a human being to finish performing the operation that will make the money. Could Bezos or Cohen have licensed their technology to Shaw? Or maybe they kept some of his work product when he left Shaw?

Nah. I'll bet that Shaw has a bunch of PR professionals that advise others on how to manipulate the markets. Shaw itself, then, would be the Mechanical Turk -- we think there's all sorts of high powered computers playing financial chess and winning every game, when it fact it's just the little guy inside who understands fear and greed.

Or maybe a previous poster was wrong, maybe Roubini himself is not an ai character, but rather an "aai" character. This would make a lot of sense since he is described as having been born in Turkey in some bio's. Roubini is, himself, the mechanical turk?

Did not find any connection whatsoever between Roubini and Kevin Bacon.

OK, things are bad and getting worse and on the horizon you have Medicare sitting. America is broke, no arguement there. So what do you do as a little above average American????

Where do you put your money?????

I really would like an idea here, throw me a life line would ya.

We seem to have reached the point where the fruits of a spoiled generation are rotting, revealing their core lack of values and morality. I always suspected that the "greatest generation" was the last to hold on to personal responsibility - now the proof is in the pudding.

Nothing could be more reprehensible than passing on the debt of yourself to your children, and leaving them with a legacy of corruption and insider dealing to clean up.

History will treat President Bush, Congress, Wall Street and the spoiled brat children of our courageous World War II veterans very harshly.

YLSP,

Great work, as well as being gd funny! Scans perfectly!

The deal includes several compromises. It would allow Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to purchase loans of as much as $625,000 in high-cost areas of the country.

WTH! Double down!

Look at the thirties, it was the sell off in bonds that put a knife in it. Who cares about equities at this point, it's the bond market stupid. If the 10 year craps out with WB style earning, boy that'll put a page in these clowns history book.

Great. Everyone gets what they want :

Congress gets a high credit card (debt limit higher) and cash to spend for their districts ($3.5 Billion is my understanding).

Paulson gets to hold everything off for a few more months until he can leave the administration (might leave early but I doubt it).

President gets to sign a bill that will save house for a few more days.

Taxpayers get higher mortgage rates, a slower declining housing market, and a huge bill.

On another note, I have a coworker who has decided that if she ever gets out of her house, she will rent from now on. Now, this is an intellegent woman with a good stable job in the government. Might be a start of a trend.

As far as myself, I am long internationally until August. Switch out of bonds recently before the final bottom and before the up turn. I expect a market rise for a bit until August. I will evaluate everything at that time. Cheer. s

Hey 10 trillion dollar debt WITHOUT bomb-bomb-bomb Iran !
What a marvellous peace-loving country is US !!

Call your Congressman. Say no to bailout.

Uncle Billy,
I'd like to know who's funding many people. Many times when I read something in the WSJ I wonder what's behind it. CNBC...at least they're obviously pumping stocks they own.
I'll take off my tinfoil eyeshade.

FFDIC et al:

just so you know, the georgewbush.org website is a spoof. If you click the links you'll see.

as example, here is GWB's speech on whitehouse.org (one of the links):

THE PRESIDENT: Good evening. In the life of all imperialistic military empires, there come brief, fleeting moments that decide the direction of a multinational corporation masquerading as a democratic nation, and reveal the character of its blue-blooded aristocrats, conniving religious hucksters and corrupt, back-slapping robber barons. We have now been suspended in such a moment for over six calendar years.

funny stuff.

The more I read, the more I feel that one if not both GSEs should be put in runoff mode starting in 2010 with the Govt. providing bridge financing to get them through this rough patch(and taking a nice chunk of future revenues for that privilege.)

2 problems in 10 years shows that the mission of the GSEs is over. Let the FHA and VA do entry level financing and securitization take the rest. I don't think securitization was the problem per se, it was the mispricing of risk.

From the WaPo coverage:
"First-time homebuyers who purchase a house by July 2009 would be eligible for a tax credit worth up to $7,500, though the credit would eventually have to be repaid to the Treasury."

You get a TAX CREDIT that you have to pay back?

WTF?

I thought Congress might at least drag their feet on this for awhile to give the impression that they actually care about our future. Wrong again.

Last blast on the Roubini-Summers-DE Shaw connection.

Shaw has two strategic approaches to investing: quantitative (quant) and qualitative. It would be interesting to know the nature of their "novel research methods."

"In another group, analysts with extensive industry-specific experience assume long and short equity positions in publicly traded companies within those industries, in some cases utilizing novel research methods not employed by most investors."

David Shaw himsself is supposedly unattached to the work at D.E. Shaw, and spends all of his energy at D.E. Shaw research, which has recruited a diverse bunch of people to work, for all appearances on problems of biochemistry. (artificial intelligence as well?)

D. E. Shaw Research

So it begins.

The profits have been privatized, and now the taxpayers will have to eat the losses AND endure a grinding, decades-long wait before housing ever again becomes affordable in Bubble-regions. But, that was the goal all along, of course. Destroy the middle class and make everyone into eternal debt-serfs.

so roughly how much are we in debt now with china?

privatize profits, socialize losses...shore up the balance sheets, play oil futures - bet oil goes up again, these billions gotta go somewhere, easy to spend OPM

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