This means you can get screwed twice.

So if they are willing to give away a 400k home for free that means the 1.6 mil home is really being purchased for 1.2 mil. The 400k home really isn't worth 400k--if it was, they'd be able to sell it for 400k.

lendingmaestro, I'm not sure that $400K row house is worth $200K. When I drove by them, I thought they were apartments. This isn't the best area - and it's one of heck of a commute to anywhere. I wonder what these would rent for? I bet $200K would be too high for investors.

I take this as offering the more expensive house for $1.2 million (since no one buying those homes would want the row house too). I don't know what those would sell for - but I think that is definitely high.

Best Wishes.

Casey Serin bought four. Err, eight. Err, stole four. Err, eight.

The real goal here is to repeated get into the public's head an inflated value for both of these properties. We take the builder's word for the price of these homes and even when the market contradicts his appraisal; thanks to his gimmick of saying he will "give one house away free", the builder can continue the fiction that his houses are worth well more than the market will pay for them.

"Dryfly advices Institutions"
Food Is Gold, and Investors Pour Billions Into Farming
THE FOOD CHAIN; Food Is Gold, and Investors Pour Billions Into Farming - NY Times

OT...a personal anecdote about the Bay Area housing market…

We’ve been renting a three-bedroom house in Los Gatos since 2005 (when we sold our home). The owner is a young doctor who had previously lived in the house, and decided to keep it as a rental when he purchased another home in town. This week he gave us 60 days notice, because he is going to sell. He says that the reason is that he is worried about the amount of debt he has, plus the risk of the housing market dropping further.

I wonder how many other 2nd home owners will be thinking this way in the future. The risk of holding a deflating asset may cause owners of investment properties to bring more houses on the market, thus adding to excess inventory (in addition to the truly distressed sellers that we know are driving up inventory).

One other thing. Several factors make this a difficult time to rent. Buyers are waiting for price drops and therefore competing for rentals. Distressed home-debtors are listing their homes at ridiculous rental rates. And when scanning the available rentals, you have to wonder whether the owner will be forced to sell soon and evict you. All of these factors are making us consider moving in with family to avoid the current rental market and save money for our eventual purchase, circa 1010… We most likely will rent our own place, for sanity’s sake, but…. How many families like us will decide otherwise and cause household formation to decline significantly?

That should have read "circa 2010".

I liked the way the Lady in the video pronounced Escondidio as "EsCONdido". Actually the locals call it Escondildo.

ShortCourage don't sign a long lease as I have seen a short rent price squeeze for a few months then the rents drop off again and continue to go down as more inventory hits. Look at what is happening in some leading markets like Florida and Las Vegas. Rents are declining as small time investors are purchasing properties at current fundamentals and flooding the rental markets leading to lower rents.

Ministry of Truth,

That's interesting, because we would've looked for a 1-year lease to avoid the folks who plan to sell it soon and evict us. OTOH, I don't think a lease matters when they decide to sell the house. They can break the lease in that situation, by law I believe.

Thing is, we don't want to be moving around every year or so. So we're just going to do due diligence on the landlord and try to be sure it's available for at least a couple years.

40 years ago, Iron Butterfly came from "the hidden" to grace the world with "Inna Godda Da Vida."

20 years ago, Escondido was known as the "Meth Capital of the World," and it was back then. In the middle of town, there was a bar called the Red Coach Inn, which was probably meth ground zero. Now, there is a lot of competition for that title, but Escondido was at the forefront of the meth trend.

Perhaps this is a new trend for Escondido.

By the way, you will be conveniently close to Lawrence Welk Village, and the beautiful Deer Park Winery and Automotive Museum. It's a great place for cars and people to fossilize.

I'm wondering how long until a builder does a "free gas for five years" promotion. Could actually help some of the exurb projects.

20 years ago, Escondido was known as the "Meth Capital of the World," and it was back then.

Not to insult people that live in Escondido (since I'm sure there are some nice parts) but, some parts of Escondido look like a meth lab that blew up.

Before renting a place, particularly a single family home or duplex, you should do several things:

  1. If the rent is too good to be true, pass it up. Lots of people facing foreclosure move to a new place and then rent the place going into foreclosure to the unsuspecting. And some landlords, whose previous tenants have discovered that the landlord is no longer paying the mortgage and have moved out, then rent the place to a new group of unsuspecting tenants. And the way to do these numbers is, of course, to charge less than market rent.
  2. Make sure that the person who is renting to you is the owner of the building or an authorized representative. It has happened that people have made, shall we say, unauthorized entries, to abandoned houses, advertised them for rent, collected rent from one or more potential tenants, and then disappeared, in some cases with the tenants' social security numbers on rental applications.
  3. Do not give any private information to anyone until you've checked out the building with the county recorder's office. You want to know when the last loan was taken out--pass if it's 2004 or later. And of course, check for notices of default or foreclosure auctions.
  4. In California it doesn't matter whether or not you have a lease. Foreclosure voids the lease, which means that tenants only have 30 days to move once the notice to vacate is served. So the landlord's reluctance to agree to a fixed-term lease doesn't tell you much.

And finally, a lease is NOT voided when the landlord wants to sell the building. Nor is it voided when a new owner takes possession. The new landlord would be bound by the terms of the lease until its expiration.

CR- What were you doing driving through Escondido? Buying avocados? Going to the Wild Animal Park? Or just viewing the latest ludicrous house sale?
I believe 20 years ago El Cajon was meth central, in the meth production capital of the world, San Diego County, but that's a title Escondido can gladly take.

BTW- I believe I saw two for one last year outside of Vegas, although I think it was for identical tract homes. Poor guys shoulda banged the drum a little harder and got the publicity.

Escondido, eh? Remember this?

From May 16 Bloomberg, by way of Housing Bubble Blog:

“In San Diego’s Encanto neighborhood, where median home prices slid 38
percent in March from a year earlier, according to DataQuick, Gutierrez
pulled up in front of an L-shaped, one-story stucco house. The grass was
tall enough to hide a broken child’s swing in the front yard.”

“The homeowner was $365,000 under water after buying the house with no money
down in June 2005. If Gutierrez bought the note for 20 cents on the dollar,
or $73,000, he could probably get the owner to leave by giving her $5,000
for moving expenses, then sell the home for about $150,000, well below even
the neighborhood’s declining market value, he said. That would leave him a
profit of about $70,000.”

Here is another two for one housing deal I saw in Lakeland, Florida last December:

Stock Market Prognosticator: A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words

It turns out that when I called them it was a marketing trick. They were advertising a Mother-Daughter house as two houses!!!

@No Frog Speak:

Just to clarify... Escondido and Encanto aren't really anywhere near each other. Encanto is a rough neighborhood, but at least it's fairly centrally located.

Hey now,

Escondido is a pretty nice place. Sure a little isolated with some problem areas, but I just moved back there from Coronado and it's not as bad a I remembered.

That being said, there is precious little that is worth $1m, let alone $1.6m and those homes are in the nasty, nasty part of town. Got jumped there once some time ago.

Even the stuff on Via Rancho Parkway with a view of the lake and proximity of Rancho Santa Fe is half the price.

PeonInChief ,

Thanks for the tips.

Are you sure about the lease holding if the owner needs to sell? True in all states including California?

These are certainly bleak time we live in, but hang on! Once we get Goofy out of office, I sincerely believe Obama can get us back.
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