UBS AG may cut as many as 8,000 jobs as it grapples with the biggest credit writedowns of any European bank and a 12 billion-franc ($11.4 billion) first-quarter loss.

UBS May Cut 8,000 Jobs After 12 Billion-Franc Loss (Update2) - Bloomberg.com

OT

``The poodle, if it's pedigreed, can be turned over to the Fed,'' said Mitchell Stapley, who oversees $22 billion as chief fixed-income officer for Grand Rapids, Michigan-based Fifth Third Asset Management.

Gee, Mitchell, that's VERY reassuring.

"Bond Dealers Pare Treasuries, Signaling Fed Turning Point Near"

Dealers Pare Treasuries, Signaling Fed Turning Point (Update3) - Bloomberg.com

THAT price decline is cliff diving!

Until I'd corresponded with a reporter at the LA Times about a year ago, I'd assumed that they were all essentially shills for the RE industry. From the response, I realized that reporters bought into the BS just like everyone else.While cleaning out some old emails, I found the reporter's reply to my angry email --

Thank you for your letter. I appreciate hearing from readers, even when they don't
agree with my stories.

The '90s recession you mention does not resemble this downturn, in which, by
the way, prices still are higher in most SoCal counties than they were a year ago.
During that dark period, the aerospace industry left town, leaving thousands of
workers w/out incomes, and they lost their homes. Builders had overbuilt and were
stuck with tons of unsold inventory. THat is not the scenario this time, not even
close, thank goodness. Every economist I talk to (nationwide and widely acknowledged
as the best in their fields--not just Ms. Appleton-YOung) believes this down-cycle
is normal---corrections always follow huge run-ups---and that so far it nowhere
resembles the '90s crash. But everyone is closely watching what impact the subprime-lending
debacle will have on the area's inventory and prices this spring.

Regards,

I don't think that sign is for the 405. Backyard is adjacent to the transition road from 405S to 55N. 405 is close though. Sad story.

CR You think this is bad Wait until next week!

This falling knife has reached terminal velocity.

mp -

If that poodle is turned over to the Fed, but happens to be missing a couple of small organs, my bet is the Fed loans against it at 100% anyway. Conjure is likely to have a field day over the next year or so.

What we're so gleefully watching and commenting on here, with repeat posts, could be somebody's tragedy. Maybe we should leave them alone.

Looking at the graph it looks like you have mistakenly plotted the 559K price at the 459K level - I had originally thought you had dropped the line down to the newer 439K short sale price and had just neglected to change the numbers below it. This RED line should even be lower!

Or am I tired?

In a fit of nit picking: That sign in the house's back yard is over the ramp going from 405 N to 55 S. So the sign is not exactly on the 405.

Man, that is one nasty location for a house.

I wonder if they know they are "national news" per CR and the Internet.

The WWW sure has changed things!

So what if the house is near a freeway. There's a cool trampoline in the backyard.

In fact, a trampoline IS the back yard.

A major freeway interchange like that has elevated ramps. That means the vehicle noise is nicely dispersed into the surrounding neighborhoods. Restful, white noise, like the sounds of a running creek, or ocean waves.

Nostradamus, Eric, OK - it looks like the sign spans the 405 and the off-ramp to the 55 south when I zoom in on Google, but you guys are going to make me drive by there! Yes, the house backs up to the off-ramp to the 55.

CRead, I guess that graph is a little confusing. The red line is the Case-Shiller index - the labels are the various prices for the Traverse house at different times.

I was trying to show that the Traverse house follows the price index pretty closely - and that the asking price was too high!

So the red line doesn't change with the price reduction - just the label should change to "$439K asking price" - and that is pretty reasonable now. My guess is the price for this house eventually declines to the low to mid 300s.

Best to all.

CR and fellow posters,

Does anyone think that mortgage backed securities in any way are a safe investment? Is this smart money acting stupid.

could be somebody's tragedy. Maybe we should leave them alone.

IS someone's tragedy. But after the front page treatment, they're not going to get any slack. Your sentiments do you credit, but it's not going to change a thing for them.

Does anyone want to comment on the expert who predicted a 1.4MM median by 2015 on this front page?

could be somebody's tragedy. Maybe we should leave them alone.

There is opportunity in all the free marketing they are getting (using coverage to advertise price drop, is smart)! A small silver lining....

CR - that makes sense - and I am tired.
Thanks!

"LV Renter writes:
Does anyone want to comment on the expert who predicted a 1.4MM median by 2015 on this front page?"

Was it Bernanke?

CR, No need to drive over there. That's the Baker St/South 55 off ramp from the northbound 405.

And yes, you can look right down into that backyard as you're driving by.

My guess as the final value when we hit bottom - $125k

Does anyone want to comment on the expert who predicted a 1.4MM median by 2015 on this front page?

Didn't seem that improbable, given that prices were $50K in the 1965, $100K in the 1975, $200K in the 1985, $300K in the 1995, and $600K in 2005.

My guess as the final value when we hit bottom - $125k

Carrying cost of $742/mo. Doesn't sound all that preposterously low, I guess, but this is just south of Santa Ana so it's pretty easy to find a slumlord willing to pack in 2 or 3 families and charge them $750 each. This will support valuations of around $300K like what CR said above.

Carrying cost of $742/mo.

This assumes that these cost stay at present levels. CR graph says that the final price should come down to just under 300K. Who knows

I realized that reporters bought into the BS

Ain't that the truth. Those in both the Business & RE sections spent all their time rationalizing the bubble instead of questioning it.

this assumes that these cost stay at present levels

no, my custom spreadsheet says a $150K mortgage in california has a monthly carrying cost of ~$750.

This calculation is interest payments less tax writeoffs plus basic maintenance and the opportunity cost of a 5% deposit.

Those in both the Business & RE sections spent all their time rationalizing the bubble instead of questioning it.

I was a paperboy for the Salinas Californian in the early 80s. I had 65 deliveries to SFHs, 1 to a rental 6-plex.

^ Sorry $750 is for $125K. $150K spits out $900/mo in carrying costs.

This is all part of California crazyness. This state I live in exists in the gamma quadrant where small dumps in crime infested neighborhoods have asking prices of $400,000. Come to the SF Bay Area and you can see the same surreal situation. Asking houses for prices at 8 times the median income for the area. It seems like people here can't do arithmetic. Why you try to talk sense to them, you get: "It's different here."

Zarkov, the Bay Area is in fact a locus of relatively high-paying jobs. My LL is jacking up the renewal $100/mo again this year; vacancies are under 5% so he's got the whip hand. Rents are starting to get VERY close to condo carrying costs here in the N. San Jose / Sunnyvale area.

As this year progresses, we will see assets besides houses desperately reduced in price. For example, who's gonna buy all those used SUV's and diesel trucks at prices that justify their original purchase price?

My daughter and SOL bought brand new vehicles as soon as they married two years ago. Their auto loans together cost a grand a month. Their total assets?--$3000.!

Oh, yeah, and they have a new baby, and are divorcing.

Americans like these trusted that the illusionary prosperity would go on forever, and spent giddily with no regard for what might go wrong tomorrow.

Anybody here want to buy a 2007 Dodge Nitro or a 2006 Ram with extended cab? Just take over the payments and you'll be my friend forever.

Just to repeat, as people may find the count useful:

Doing a quick count, the area on the interior of Mainstee-Ludington-San Diego Fwy, including the cul-de-sacs of what appear to be higher-value structures, but excluding the apartments / condos, contains about 237 structures. At 200k of polish off the apple per, that's 47.4mn in "lost" phantom value in that little area alone.

Following up on mp's comment above --

The poodle, if it's pedigreed, can be turned over to the Fed

What, moral hazard from the Bear-Stearns buyout? Never!

Something interesting; even with the TAF, non-borrowed reserves are cliff-diving.

St. Louis Fed: Series: NONBORTAF, Non-Borrowed Reserves of Depository Institutions Plus Term Auction Credit

Bank of America Corp is likely to renegotiate its deal to buy Countrywide Financial Corp down to the $0 to $2 level or completely walk away from it, said Friedman, Billings, Ramsey, which downgraded Countrywide to "underperform" from "market perform."

Countrywide's loan portfolio has deteriorated so rapidly that it currently has negative equity and the proposed takeover of the company will be a drag on Bank of America's earnings due to the elevated credit expenses at Countrywide, analyst Paul Miller wrote in a note to clients.

BofA may lower Countrywide deal price: analysts
| Reuters

Say it ain't so.

OT

An update on the Ridge Hill multi-purpose development in Yonkers.

"Now, as bulldozers zip around the 81-acre parcel known as Ridge Hill, intended as an upscale oasis within a city looking to shed its past as a faded factory town, federal prosecutors are investigating the development deal and leaning toward indicting Ms. Annabi, a 37-year-old Democrat, on corruption charges or other misconduct, according to a person involved in the investigation."

U.S. Investigates Yonkers Development After Official's Surprising 'Yes' Vote - NY Times

She had been the development's biggest critic, lead plaintiff in a lawsuit against it. All of a sudden, she switched her vote and started driving a Mercedes.

When will politicians learn?

Leave the Mercedes in the garage until the heat is off.

OT "The Fed has, in effect, made itself the world's largest financial shit-magnet."

James Howard Kunstler 

May 5 (Reuters) - Bank of America is likely to renegotiate its deal to buy Countrywide Financial down to the $0 to $2 level or completely walk away from it, said Friedman, Billings, Ramsey, which downgraded Countrywide to ‘‘underperform’’ from ‘‘market perform.’’
Countrywide’s loan portfolio has deteriorated so rapidly that it currently has negative equity and the proposed takeover of the company will be a drag on Bank of America’s earnings due to the elevated credit expenses at Countrywide, analyst Paul Miller wrote in a note to clients.
He cut his target on Countrywide’s stock to $2 from $7.
Bank of America, which said in January it would buy Countrywide for $4 billion, said in a filing last week there was no assurance that any of the mortgage lender’s outstanding debt would be redeemed, assumed or guaranteed.

‘‘We estimate that if fair-value adjustments to the loan portfolio could exceed approximately $22 billion, this would increase the odds of Bank of America renegotiating the transaction or walking away,’’ Miller said.

"The poodle, if it's pedigreed, can be turned over to the Fed"

It has to have a pedigree? That's setting the bar pretty high.

"Something interesting; even with the TAF, non-borrowed reserves are cliff-diving."

That is because the banks ain't got no stinking reserves other then what is borrowed from the FED, what in the hell do you think the TAF is for?

Its all a ruse unless the short sale price is pre-approved by the lender. They are just trolling for buyers, the bank refuses to go this low and they hope the buyer gets so deep into the home that they bump up the offer price.

Anonymous writes:
"The poodle, if it's pedigreed, can be turned over to the Fed"

It has to have a pedigree? That's setting the bar pretty high.


Well, you have to VALUE it as having one. We don't really need any proof...

Well, you have to VALUE it as having one. We don't really need any proof...

Mark to poodle

On the issue of corrections, I think the price transparency of the Internet will pop the bubble faster than in 1991.

OT -- our Angry Renter petition just hit 40,000 signers!

could be somebody's tragedy. Maybe we should leave them alone.

Perhaps by making and example out of them it will prevent future tragedies.

Tough love to counteract all the easy hate we're getting from our bankers.

Google Maps gives an incorrect location for this property. Eric is right, the sign is over an offramp, not over the 405. Scroll to the bottom of the Redfin listing and they give a good series of maps/

In any case the house is still located in one of the worst locations imaginable; at the intersection of two major freeways.

In any case the house is still located in one of the worst locations imaginable; at the intersection of two major freeways.
kevin de bruxelles | 05.05.08 - 9:11 am | #

Unless the location is for a convenience store/gas station, fast food or tow/wrecking service.

Maybe they can turn it into a home business?

unirealist writes:
My daughter and SOL bought brand new vehicles as soon as they married two years ago. Their auto loans together cost a grand a month. Their total assets?--$3000.!

Was this on top of the classic $30k American wedding? What're weddings for if not conspicuous consumption?

My St. Lucia 10-day honeymoon and complete wedding & reception (for 80) cost under $7k, 8 years ago. Of course, we paid for the whole thing ourselves out of savings, hence the low price tag.

I think Redfin is a bit off on the map-Google I think is closer-that sign looks like this one on the 405:
484 Traverse Dr, Costa Mesa, CA 92626, USA - Google Maps

Hey kids! Don't play on the offramp!

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