Oil Refiners and Oil Prices

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It is pretty late here in north america. Wink And pretty early in europe.

Cry me a river. I grew up along the Houston Ship Channel with Shell Oil, Phillips, Crown, Humble Oil/Exxon, Rohm & Hass. These are supreme survivors who have been in the business for decades. Lets move on.

OT

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So, by historical trend shown in the graph, gas should be selling at about $5.50/gallon?

Oh yeah BOO HOO HOO for the Greedy Oil Companies! This is just more Right Wing B.S.!!!

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Senate Democrats Tuesday introduced legislation to stop a U.S. arms sale to Saudi Arabia worth $1.4 billion in a tactic supporters said was aimed at pressuring the OPEC country to increase its oil output.
"We are saying that we need real relief and we need it quickly. You (Saudi Arabia) need our arms, but we need you to cooperate and not strangle American consumers," said Sen. Charles Schumer, a New York Democrat.

Politics- it's politics stupid - it's also supply, nationaliztion, demand, hoarding, speaking of hoarding: WASHINGTON -- Jittery about a political backlash over gasoline costs as prices set yet another record Tuesday, Congress voted to halt deliveries to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve in defiance of President Bush.

Does China have a SPR- what about India? They have a few dollars lying around- why not buy oil- Oil is a much better investment than U.S. Treasuries.

Yes, the driver for a refinery's profit is the wonderfully named "crack spread", ie spread between crude and "cracked", refined gasoline.
Surprising that it should fall now - seems to indicate that the elasticity of (gasoline) demand is higher than the elasticity of (crude) supply.

I'm curious if demand in the U.S. is falling because we are driving fewer miles or because we are switching to more efficient cars.

It's nice to know the conservation is holding prices less high.

CR-
Could you talk about the glut of oil in the middle middle east and how opec turns off the faucet to control prices and how about how these Texas boys gained critical levrage over Iraqs supply and turned off that faucet. This has little to do with world demand. It's all laid out in Robert Bryce's book Cronies.I'm sure you already no that gass prices are set off the barrel price of oil. Thanks.

-Dave

I've always heard speculation that gas prices were particularly less likely to rise during an election year. If this is true, then I guess we'll see a huge run-up after the election. Or possibly the truck drivers that mp talked to are correct and $7 gas by the end of the summer(!) since the refiners can't keep losing money. Wow, either scenario is hard to believe, just because they're so scary.

Wait until they all shift to making more diesel?

But, there are many different grades of oil, ranging from light sweet (low sulfur, low viscosity) to heavy sour (high sulfur, high viscosity).

All refineries can handle the light sweet stuff, but only some can handle the heavy sour stuff.

If you run heavy sour through a refinery not set up for it, it takes forever to refine and the yield of the expensive stuff (fuel) versus the cheap stuff (asphalt) is not favorable.

There is a shortage of refinery capacity for heavy sour stuff. Thus, that stuff is relatively cheap, as your analysis would suggest.

However, there isn't enough of the light sweet stuff to go around, so of course, the WTI, Brent, etc., go through the roof. That's the light sweet stuff.

CR, I think there is a problem with the scales in the graph.

If you have the barrel at 42 gallons, then the chart starts with oil at 25$/barrel and gas at 45$/barrel, roughly. Now we're at 127$ oil, and 160$/gas, roughly.

The lagging effect you get in the chart is just due to refiners' margins growing slower than oil prices - as they should. It supports your message that the prime bottleneck is with crude output, not refining, but I think the chart gives a misleading picture of a price-moderating effect through refiners.

If you plot the $/barrel price for both, you'd get an idea of the margin. (I think for that purpose you can ignore that a barrel of oil does not exactly yield a barrel of gas)

Of course the opposite would be true - a lack of refining capacity would keep down the price of oil

I disagree. Price of oil is ultimately determined by demand for gasoline. So if gasoline prices are high and the refinery capacity is low, then the price of oil will go up simply because the oil producers can demand more money per barrel and the refineries are willing to pay. Why would an oil producer accept $50/bbl when the refineries are able and willing to pay $125/bbl?

If this wasn't true then all the refineries would be bankrupt.

I don't see how you can rule out speculation to improve pricelevels. Global parties involved in the selling process can drive up prices either by kartel-forming or by following eachothers up-trend individually.

I do understand that market characteristics of supply and demand will form prices. That is a textbook case. But what i have learned on this website the past months is that the financial world is not following textbook logic. Why should i expect oil-trade does?

Thank you, CR, for posting on this. More commentary on oil would be welcome--changes in the oil market probably surpass changes in the housing market in importance, and you have been particularly incisive in housing.

What makes you state that gasoline consumption is down? On the EIA site I see annual increases in consumption through 2007.

On the previous topic I was comparing Foreclosure Radar to Realtytrac to Dataquick for foreclosures filing stats:

I added up all of NOD for Q1 '08 :

Foreclosure Radars NOD totaled 118,683
versus Dataquick 113,676
versus Realtytrac monthly reports 114,640
versus Realtytrac Q1 report: 108,109

Trustee Sales:
Foreclosure Radar: 52,585
DQ: 47,171
Realtytrac monthly: 35,692
Realtytrac quarterly: 40,023

NTS:
Foreclosure Radar: 68,956
DQ: Not Available in Press Release
RealtyTrac monthly: 25,166
RealtyTrac quarterly: 21,699

NTS should generally be ahead trustee sales unless the market is getting better (NOD getting worse not better). If you hold DQ up as the gold standard it appears Realtytrac has some issues.

Re: other jim

Taken from History and Analysis -Crude Oil Prices  the following quote attempts to answers your question. But this is talking about 1979-80 and the situation with respect to supply constraints compared to today is unclear.

"Surging prices caused several reactions among consumers: better insulation in new homes, increased insulation in many older homes, more energy efficiency in industrial processes, and automobiles with higher efficiency. These factors along with a global recession caused a reduction in demand which led to falling crude prices".

The rest of that article is pretty good. If you have some time it is worth a read.

Isn't gasoline a less fungible asset than crude? I remember when they were alking or refining in India and shipping to USA that with all the different blends it sort of took the appeal out to an extent.

There's definitely a shortage of refining capacity and distributed capacity, at least in the USA.

While world demand and geopolitical nonsense is keeping oil high, the real negative rates are definitely pushing people into better stores of value such as commodities. How much of US FED policy is driving this is the great unknown.

Much like all the other bubble they've been blowing, 20-30% is a nice WAG.

That'd be "talking of refining in India"

It's very hard to get worked up about a putative shortage of refining capacity in the US when utilisation rates are currently about 85%, - ie there's plenty of US refinery capacity that is "idling".

At present, instead of US refiners capitalising on record nominal high prices, they are importing close to 1.5 million barrels of gasoline/blending components per day to keep inventory levels from subsiding. One would have thought that import substitution dynamics would come into play - after all, it costs a fair amount to ship products across the Atlantic.

The supply-demand argument with regards to gasoline strikes me as weak - year-on-year comparisons show very marginal decreases in US gasoline consumption. It seems to me that what is actually happening is that the US oil co's are desperate to keep pump prices as low as possible during an election year in an effort to immunise themselves from electoral/policy scrutiny - just because it's futile doesn't mean they won't try, and the integrated operators have very deep pockets. The independent refiners/distributors are, to put it bluntly, losing money at a rapid clip at current product price levels.

The reality is that refinery margins have been slashed, as have distribution/retail margins, in an effort to keep pump prices as low as possible. It's worth comparing the y-o-y increases in gasoline prices with diesel - a year ago, gasoline was selling at a premium, today, US diesel prices are 15% higher than gasoline ( and the refinery margins are some 2.5 times higher ).

What is more interesting is that when one tracks the run-ups in crude prices this year it becomes evident that the jumps closely track increases in US crude import levels - ie the driver of the market is currently the US at a time when domestic capacity is idling. Ouch.

Ah, the great game of oil.

As noted above, oil is not perfectly fungible, and inexpensive light sweet oil is growing increasingly rare, especially wher compared to demand for it, while heavy sour oil is available in abundant quantities. That the most profitable crude is seemingly becoming rarer should not be considered an indication for peak oil, any more than shrinking Arctic ocean ice cover in the summer is an indication of climate change. After all, people can come up with all sorts of explanations for observed facts.

Depending on your perspective, heavy sour crude is either sludge or black gold. Well, increasingly, according to the market, it is black gold, even if it actually remains sludge in fact. Which is why people didn't actually bother with it decades ago, preferring to pump the good stuff, leaving the sludge in the ground. Or recently, digging up an area the size of Florida to get at sludge mixed with sand, so as to create 'syncrude.' The fact that we are now making 'syncrude' to meet the demand for crude is another of those non-indications of peak oil, by the way.

But there is another factor involved in U.S. crack spreads - European gasoline exports to America, which at least according to information on theoildrum.com, are running at something like 1 million barrels a day. That's right, roughly 5% of America's total imports of petroleum come from Europe. Which just happens to help pay Europe's import oil bill, by the way.

Due to policy decisions made over the past couple of decades, most major European countries have encouraged diesel as the fuel of choice for wheeled transportation, both private and commercial. In part, because diesel motors are more efficient (though particulate pollution was ignored until recently, with French technology creating a market for particulates filters - they collect and then burn the trapped material). In part, because diesel is much more easily substituted than gasoline. If you have salad oil in your house, you too can tank up your diesel, at least when the temperature is above freezing. Diesels are quite unparticular about what they burn, at least in the short to medium term.

However, though it is possible to play with the parameters, refining oil leads to a number of products, running the range from asphalt to diesel to gasoline to jet fuel to liquefied petroleum gas.

Generally speaking, Europe has too much gasoline, resulting from the refining of oil which they buy in dollars - after having converted their euros to dollars, since there is nothing like a little exchange rate magic to help a profit margin.

Since storage is expensive, it is much easier, not to mention more profitable, to ship gasoline to the U.S., where so many people can't imagine life without it.

The history of gasoline is fascinating - originally, it was considered to be pretty much a pain, compared to the things which had real value - asphalt and kerosene. Gasoline powered cars offered the chance to turn a highly flammable niche product into gold, and Americans ran with the idea. Including such ideas as paying workers high enough wages to actually buy what they made, or buying cars using installment credit, and of course, suburbia.

A comparison of the efficiency of European refiners to American ones is likely not publicly available, but it is a pretty fair assumption that European refineries as a rule use more modern technology under stricter standards than found in such places as Texas.

Efficiency can be quite profitable, under the right circumstances. A secret which many American companies have dismissed, in favor of the dynamic advantages which cutting edge financial engineering offered them.

How can these poor and growing asian countries afford to subsidize, cooking fuel, transportation fuel and food? You would think that world demand would be somewhat dampened by price.

I agree with The golden age of burlesque. You will get even worse picture at this graph if the crack spread stayed constant in dollar terms. Apparently it increased, but the crack spread goes not only for refiners profit but must pay for refining costs which are energy intensive and are also growing. However, the impact on refiners margin is less that this graph suggests. If you have different scales for different series, you have a distorted picture.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The House of Representatives on Tuesday followed the Senate in rejecting the Bush administration's policy of adding oil to the country's Strategic Petroleum Reserve while fuel prices are high.

The House passed legislation that would suspend crude deliveries to the U.S. emergency oil stockpile while the price of oil was above $75 a barrel, a move the White House has opposed. Oil traded at a record near $126 a barrel on Tuesday.

The Senate approved a similar measure earlier in the day.

Like the Senate's legislation, the 385-to-25 vote in favor of the bill in the House was big enough to override a possible presidential veto of the measure.

so how much marginal demand will now be removed from the market?

Maybe OT,

I worked for a Harvard trained oil lease broker once. He liked to describe how the majors would flood the market with crude, time and again, and squeeze the wildcatters by busting the crude price from $10 to $1/barrel. Then they would buy production from the wildcatters before cutting back production again. Now,it seems, by limiting crude production and raising the price, the squeezing is moving down stream affecting the refiners (and end users- us!)

Another point, don't tell me about OPEC's dwindling reserves. Tom, the lease broker (and producer), convinced me long ago that cartel members and the majors have little incentive to report accurate data information. Think about how much oil the majors say they have stored in Nigeria or the dimensions of on oil field there. Who is going to go there and check - Deloitte?

Remember, an oil well is a hole in the ground owned by a liar.

burh, the answer is not much.

Filling the SPR has a minimal effect on the price of oil. It doesn't amount to diddly squat.

During the past 12 months, the rate of fill has been 33,000 barrels a day. (Average)

Second, the capacity is 727 million barrels. There are more than 701 million barrels already stored. Hence it is over 96% full. At the average rate of fill over the past year, it will be full in a bit over 2 years.

The daily rate of fill over the past year is less than 0.2% of the average daily oil consumption in the U.S. This is about 0.05% of the total daily consumption of the world.

The announcement to stop filling might have a one day effect on the price of oil. After the traders do math it would be business as usual.

How much refining is actually done by dedicated refiners, though? If you're an oil company like BP or Exxon and you're refining oil that you produce yourself, then it's all gravy, surely.

Anonymous thanks for info. Very insightful.

I wonder if it's possible for the U.S. to even mention the idea of tapping SPR now. It's an election year after all.

Nice explanation of the relationship between gasoline and crude prices, CR. I've been puzzled why gas prices haven't kept up with crude, and your explanation of slower demand in the US solves it, mostly.

One aspect you don't explore though is why diesel prices are so high. I have a theory that refiners have been overproducing regular blends of gasoline and underproducing diesel. Obviously based on price, demand for diesel is quite strong (running $4.50/gallon here in Atlanta vs. $3.79-$4.00 for regular gas.)

Why they would do this is puzzling ... perhaps it is election year politics as another poster pointed out, or fear that if gas prices rise too high too fast, their butts will be hauled in front of Capital Hill again for another idiotic dog and pony show.

If so, someone is making the political calculation that truckers don't vote. Hope they're wrong.

Like too many of our markets, this is another one that may be being manipulated by the government.

C_S I would conjecture that the Gas/Diesel pricing might have to do with the fact that diesel engines get better mileage. To some slight degree they are substitutes ,at least when you're buying a pickup/van/large SUV, a part of the market that has become larger of late. With a larger percentage of people able to exercise a choice of fuels, the difference in fuel economy should be reflected in the price, all other things being equal. Of course all other things AREN'T equal, and favoring one or the other in the refining process is complicated far beyond my understanding. But given the stocks comming out of a refinery, it DOES make sense that they are prices according to the differnece in utility (mileage) that people get out of them.

US Diesel also goes through an extra step of purification than previous years to get an ultra-low sulfur concentration.

How much refining is actually done by dedicated refiners, though? If you're an oil company like BP or Exxon and you're refining oil that you produce yourself, then it's all gravy, surely.

Part of the reason why (a number of) the big integrated majors have been getting squeezed is that their crude production is declining - so to keep their refining facilities running (which they need to - for many reasons), they often need to supplement their own supply with barrels bought on the spot market.

XOM sure isn't making any money producing gasoline they can only sell for $150/bbl. (actually less - obviously the process isn't 100% efficient) when their marginal input cost is $126/bbl, given the enormous operating costs involved. But it's still a lot less unprofitable than shutting down a refining facility or two would be.

After this summer, oil will go down drastically. I mean 20-30% in one week. The whole decoupling thing isn't true. When the USA slows down, it will trickle through to the rest of the world. Supplies are stockpiling.

I'm curious if demand in the U.S. is falling because we are driving fewer miles or because we are switching to more efficient cars.

The numbers on the big sign in front of the pumps are scaring people. Not scaring everyone tho. The number of large pickup trucks towing big recreational boats to the gas pump doesn't seem to be changing much. Some trends die hard.

I wonder if it's possible for the U.S. to even mention the idea of tapping SPR now. It's an election year after all.

Sure, you need a plausible trigger event tho. Like a cat 4-5 hurricane. Something that might scare the market north of 150/bbl.

The Atlantic hurricane season kicks off in 18 days.

I may be the only person still interested in the gas tax holiday analysis done by over 200 economists. No reputable (or disreputable) economist backed the idea, with many claiming that nearly all the tax relief would be captured by the sellers of gasoline. Such analysis was described as "Econ 101" and therefore obvious to all right-thinking people.

But even a cursory look at the actual business of gasoline retailing would have informed economists of the weakness of refiners and marketers on pricing. The idea that they would capture the 18 cents/gallon was ridiculous. Why does Sunoco like losing money? Why don't they just raise prices 18 cents now? Why don't the boneheads at Valero look at their Econ 101 textbook and insist upon the price that inelastic supply grants them?
Maybe the 200 petition-signing economists will draw up a new statement--promising not to pontificate about markets they don't understand.

"Part of the reason why (a number of) the big integrated majors have been getting squeezed is that their crude production is declining - so to keep their refining facilities running (which they need to - for many reasons), they often need to supplement their own supply with barrels bought on the spot market."

OK, I can understand that argument in principle, but if that's being squeezed, give me a bearhug. BP's profits are up 50% yoy, Exxon 17%, Shell 25%. It can't be hurting them that badly.

In China ... oil imports have surged in recent weeks, a signal that the government is stockpiling oil and diesel in anticipation of the Olympic Games.

Well, there's part of the inventory Krugman couldn't find. I have a feeling there is inventory buildup all up and down the line. My wife made a point of filling the gas tank when it was only down 25%.

Thanks CR, great post.

CR,

Your economic analysis is, of course, correct. I think that this notion that reduced refinery demand can mean higher oil prices - which is pert nigh ubiquitous in the financial press - reflects a trading issue, rather than economics. That is to say, it can prove true in the short term, and apparently often does. When gasoline is up, simple trading formulas call for the purchase of oil. The trader responds to the formula, without thinking much, or caring much, about the cause of the rise in gasoline prices. In a perfect market, somebody would be right there to teach the dumb-rule-based trader an expensive lesson, but this is petroleum we are talking about. There are people who trade the spread, but price behavior suggests there is a strong tendency to follow the dumb rule - all petroleum prices tend to follow whatever market is leading that day.

Remember how they screamed about Clinton "using" the SPR for election purposes? How it was so evil? Now the Congressional GOP is in lock step with this change. Ironic, isn't it?

And you've got to love the talking point that "Democrats don't allow any refineries to be built."

Even Lee Raymond said that's hogwash. Refining is a bad business (low profits) and the capacity increase in the country over the last generation has come from ADDING to existing refiners. You mean the GOP spinmeisters failed to point that out? How convenient for them.

Weak dollar = Higher crude oil.

Char

Do you have any actual data to back your hypothesis? Where, exactly, are the supplies stockpiling?

Do you think that oil prices will fall 25% from $125 or $160 per barrel?

WASHINGTON - Gasoline inventories rose unexpectedly last week while crude-oil stockpiles gained more than expected, according to government data published Wednesday.

For the week ended May 2, inventories of the motor fuel rose by 800,000 barrels, or 0.4 percent, to 211.9 million barrels, which were 7.6 percent above year-ago levels, the Energy Department's Energy Information Administration said in its weekly report.

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Iran is currently using 13 VLCCs for its floating storages of over 28 mln barrels of oil, Reuters said in its report.

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If you plot the $/barrel price for both, you'd get an idea of the margin. (I think for that purpose you can ignore that a barrel of oil does not exactly yield a barrel of gas)

A barrel of oil doesn't come close to yielding a barrel of gasoline. A 42 gallon barrel of oil is going to end up giving you somewhere in the range of 20 gallons of gasoline and ~24 gallons of other stuff (the refiners add a few gallons of "stuff" in the refining process).

My chemical engineer sister used to work down in the refining industry in Houston and explained a bit about the process to me once - a few years ago and in some layman terms... So I could be a bit wrong...

Crude oil is a mixture of a whole bunch of hydrocarbon chains all mixed and bonded together. The "cracking" process breaks them up so the refiner can separate the hydrocarbon chains based on length. The refiner doesn't have some dial where they can crank up the diesel output, or lower the gasoline output. They pretty much just get whatever that barrel of crude happens to contain.

I've read that the extra steps involved in producing the clean diesel adds less than 15 cents per gallon, so it's pretty likely that high price of diesel in the US has a lot to do with the hydrocarbon content of the crude that the US is refining. Up here in the midwest, we mainly refine crude from the Canadian tar sands. Perhaps it just doesn't yield as much diesel as crude oil from Saudi Arabia does.

Does China have a SPR- what about India? They have a few dollars lying around- why not buy oil- Oil is a much better investment than U.S. Treasuries.
bigchubasco | 05.14.08 - 2:02 am | #

China does have a relatively small SPR which they only recently (last few years) started filling. As far as I know India does not have a SPR. China's real SPR is in maintaining good relations with bad countries that have oil reserves (Sudan, Burma, Iran). In someways they are not that different from us (KSA etc).

If this wasn't true then all the refineries would be bankrupt.
Lars | 05.14.08 - 3:15 am | #

Historically, refining has been a crappy business (unless you go back to the days of JD Rockerfeller). Very capital intnesive, lots of environmental restrictions, huge barriers to exit, cyclical as heck. There is a reason why we have not built new refineries in this country, and it is not the greenies. Most of the refining capacity in the country is owned by intergrated firms, so it is not exactly arms length transactions. The refining arms are seen as sort of a loss leader to move the product. However there are a few indepenent refiners, such as VLO and TSO. Yeah they made some good coin last year, but pull up their 10 year financials and compare them to the 10 year financials of an upstream oriented company like DVN or APA. Which side of the business would you rather be in? Read the 1Q earnings reports of the intergrateds and see where they make their money, upstream or down. All of it is made upstream.

Just like Tanta demands quantification of the "walking away" assertions, I'd like to see quantification of the "US gasoline demand is falling" assertion.

Demand falling?
The American Petroleum Institute reported a fall of 1.5 million barrels in motor gasoline supplies for the week ended May 9. The Energy Department had reported a decline of 1.7 million barrels for the latest week. Crude supplies were up 659,000 barrels, the API said. The government had reported that supplies were up 200,000 barrels. Distillate supplies fell by 2.4 million barrels, the API said. They were up 1.4 million barrels, according to the Energy Department.
API reports fall in gasoline supply - MarketWatch

Speedway jumped the price of 87 octane from $3.85 to $4.07 YESTERDAY in Chicago area.

If oil just sits around $120, price is going to $4.50 by mid-summer, $5.00 by fall. Refiners are going to start slowing supply chain to get back a little profitability at these prices. If oil keeps going up, all bets are off where the price of gas ends up.

"After this summer, oil will go down drastically. I mean 20-30% in one week. The whole decoupling thing isn't true. When the USA slows down, it will trickle through to the rest of the world. Supplies are stockpiling.
"

Do you have proof of this or is this just anecdotal nonsense? Who's stockpiling and where are they keeping it? If it's being stockpiled, why is the gov't even considering releasing the Strategic Reserves?

The refiners are going to put a stranglehold on supply in short order. The price of oil may go down, but the price of gas is going to the moon if the refiners want to stay in business. So far, there's no evidence that demand is slowing. Consumers are keeping up their driving habits and diverting discretionary spending to pay at the pump.

From the article:

Nearly all that growth will come from China, the Middle East and Russia.

The Middle East and Russia are producers! That's why oil isn't a bubble, because the demand is growing fastest in countries that don't have to import it. In fact, they typically subsidize it's use internally. Check out the Export Land Model .

Sure, the price of oil will bounce around, but it's doubtful it'll ever drop very far.

I'd like to see quantification of the "US gasoline demand is falling" assertion.
Mike | 05.14.08 - 10:46 am

and

other jim writes:
I'm curious if demand in the U.S. is falling because we are driving fewer miles or because we are switching to more efficient cars.

Answer to both in Floyd Norris blog?

Business - Floyd Norris Blog - NYTimes.com 

Scroll down to "Park the Car," posted May 13.

Excerpt:

Americans are driving less. It is not clear how much of that change is due to recession, and how much to higher prices, but the trend seems clear.

Data that came out today from MasterCard SpendingPulse, based on actual MasterCard sales and estimates of sales paid for with cash, checks and other cards, says that in the week ended May 9 sales of gasoline were down 7 percent from the same week a year earlier. The drop in the previous week was 5.8 percent.

There are two ways to save gasoline — by using more fuel-efficient cars and by driving less. There is a trend toward more fuel-efficient cars, but any impact from that will take years to show up. (The gas-guzzler you sell becomes the used car purchase of someone else.) So this may be a real willingness to drive less.

In case it wasn't posted yet, Prof. Krugman's latest blog post on the oil supply/demand curve and the phantom bubble.

More on oil and speculation - Paul Krugman Blog - NYTimes.com

"One of the things I find puzzling about the whole oil market discussion is how complicated people seem to make it. They get all wrapped up in stuff about forward markets, hedge funds, etc., and lose sight of the fundamental fact that there are only two things you can do with the world’s oil production: consume it, or store it.

If the price is above the level at which the demand from end-users is equal to production, there’s an excess supply — and that supply has to be going into inventories. End of story. If oil isn’t building up in inventories, there can’t be a bubble in the spot price.

...you have to believe that 2 million barrels a day is disappearing into secret hoards somewhere — secret, because it’s not showing up in the OECD inventory data. That’s a lot of oil. And bear in mind that people have been claiming that there’s an oil bubble for years.

So my challenge to people who say there’s an oil bubble is this: let’s get physical. Tell me where you think the excess supply of crude is going."

Thank you, CR, for posting on this. More commentary on oil would be welcome

I agree.

John Doe,
Let's not go to Mastercard to get our oil usage numbers. The straight facts are present at the same site CR got the graphs from. It's extremely straightforward. Demand for the year is so far down very very slightly from last year. The 4 week average of usage bounces around from -.4% to +.9%, but overall, we're down in usage roughly .2% from last year. That is hardly what I call "falling" demand, as CR writes and as so many people seem to uncritically believe. And it's doubly shameful given that the data is so very easy to look up.

trader walt: "Another point, don't tell me about OPEC's dwindling reserves. Tom, the lease broker (and producer), convinced me long ago that cartel members and the majors have little incentive to report accurate data information."

There are lots of external ways of measuring the health of a field like Ghawar with no cooperation from the field owner. Total number of wells (as the remaining oil becomes segmented into pockets, the number of necessary wells increases non-linearly rather than just putting down one nice bottle-brush drill at the start), number of barrels pumped per well (obviously each little pocket doesn't produce as much), and most interesting lately for the Saudis, gallons of water pumped out per gallon of oil. Based on these things Ghawar is going mature, which means the Saudis don't have much room to maneuver supply-wise. And it's mostly heavy crude they produce anyway.

Char: Supplies are stockpiling

And by what measure would that be? We have as of last week 22.7 days of supply of gasoline in the u.s. DOWN from last week's 22.9. This week in 1998 we had 26.9 days of supply. This week in 1992 we had 30 days of supply.

I was curious about this so I downloaded some gas & oil prices from the EIA web site and fit the relationship between gasoline and oil prices in Excel. The equation
gas = 24.274357 * oil ^ 0.577832
describes the data from 1997 to the present pretty well and recent gas prices are right in line with this. That formula is for gas prices in cents, which is how the EIA gives it to you.

It makes sense that gasoline prices wouldn't rise linearly with oil prices when fixed charges are a high proportion of refiner's costs.

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I understand that refineries have to pay more to buy crude oil when the price of oil rises. But why can't refineries pass on the full cost of higher crude in the gasoline they sell. It is hard to believe that the refineries simply have to eat the cost and loss money. Of all the businesses that would be justified in passing on the full cost of higher crude, refineries would be the most justified. Yes, the higher cost of gasoline might be even more painful. But the refineries are not charities. Who says they must operate at a loss?

And given the limited refinery capacity, the refineries have even more reason to make profits. But refinery margins apparently are squeezed, and some refineries may be losing money. It seems like refiners are saying: I'm losing money on every gallon of gas, but I hope to make it up on volume. Can someone explain what is going on?

Fewer refineries would NOT lead to lower oil prices. It is something I call the "Refinery Paradox": when a refinery blows up, oil prices go up. There is a point at which the opposite will happen, but I don't think the oil companies would let us test this.

Why is this so? Because most crude oil is worthless. The prices of refined products determine the value of crude oil. So, when a refinery blows up, there is less gasoline and the price goes up; other refiners will scramble to secure crude oil to turn it into valuable gasoline.

Refiners continue to run with negative margins because it is often cheaper to do this than to shut down. And once you shut down, it becomes difficult to determine when to restart since you don't know if the market is strong or simply supported by your shutdown. And, you are also subsidizing your competitors.

Additionally, refiners have term contracts. It is often not possible to meet those obligations from the market.

Refining is a long-term, volatile business with massive sunk costs. Margins rise and fall, sometimes staying negative for long periods. Refiners try to optimize runs and run rates, switching crude grades and tweaking outputs (sometimes also shutting down specific units like cokers). In the long run, they make money.

with the wildly different scales it's impossible to tell whether oil or gas prices have been rising faster. can you update with a graph in logs? then you can eyeball it.

Thanks, Expat, for explaining many aspects of the refinery business. I learned a lot from your explanation.

My puzzlement at why refiners can not pass on the full cost of the rise in crude prices could be explained if refiners had long term contracts at fixed costs. Is that the main reason refiners can't pass on full cost of rising crude?

I understand the point that "Refiners continue to run with negative margins because it is often cheaper to do this than to shut down." My basic question is why refiners ever have to have negative margins, when it would seem they should have pricing power.
As mentioned above, the refiners would not have pricing power if they entered into long term contracts at fixed costs. Is that the only important reason that refiners have negative margins? or are there other important factors?

Oil use and demand in China is complicated. There are both price caps and subsidies. And like the major vertically integrated oil companies in the US, the Chinese firms reeling from the refining margins and resulting losses.

Ultimately the situation is unsustainable, as the subsidies or the currency exchange rate has to give. The demand in China just keeps growing at record rates.

The demand is slowly rising up! We must shift to alternative source of power such as natural gas and solar energy!

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