Retail Quote of the Day

Maybe a few hedge funds can step in a buy a few hundred billion worth of products to get retail sales up?

I voted for Sasha. She's on now.

chickenlittle, good suggestion. They never seem to run out of money!

Best Wishes.

CR,

If a few Soverign Funds pick up another couple hundred million worth of retail products, we could add 3-4% to GDP.

Is Sasha related to you? If so, congratulations on a wonderful talent.

Perhaps if the retailers offered Wright Model Bs?

chickenlittle, a family friend. I just do a little cheerleading!

Best Wishes.

GOP ( Grand Obstructionist Party ) quote of the day...

During his questioning of Gen. Petraeus and Amb. Crocker, Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH) said that, because of the Iraq war, “we’re at a point where we’re really strained and stressed out.” “I hate to agree with Sen. Feingold,” he added, “but I think Osama bin Laden is sitting back right now looking at this thing [and saying] in effect, ‘We’re kinda bankrupting this country.’ We are eating our seed corn. We’ve got some really big problems today, and we are in a recession, and God only knows how long we’re gonna be in it.”

Surprisingly weak? Who with half a brain is surprised by any of this? Retail growth for the past x years have been fueled by over expansion, the HELOC ATM, and massive credit card debt. Throw in stagnated wages for the evaporating middle class, job losses, the inelasticity of demand for oil/gasoline...none of this is surprising.

People have very little disposable income. The cash they have is going to put food on the table (more and more expensive due to oil), and to pay for the gas that fuels the SUV that gets them from work to the exurb and everywhere in the exurb.

Why does Sen. Voinovich hate America?!?

these prognosticators...the fed included... couldn't find their rectums with a map, a mirror and a magnifying glass

Mock turtle,

Maybe so but they sure can find ours.

sequoia512 | 04.08.08 - 10:31 pm


Too F'n funny!

I was at Starbucks today for their free coffee and it was buzzing. Credit Suisse must just be surveying retail stores that aren't giving away free things.

Sasha was a scream in Blades of Glory. One of my favorite scenes.

I feel at times I'm in a time warp feedback loop - we have seen this slow moving train wreck. Yet others are surprized...

Why does Sen. Voinovich hate America?!?

Don't know if he hates America or not but he's right.

So is the Great Intoxication over or are we just taking a breather?

Barley, yeah, the slow moving train wreck has definitely left the station cause the "news" is finally beginning to saturate the msm.

sequoia512, you are right...i guess that's why its so hard to remain seated throughout all this.

Well at least we are at the bottom.

I mean the SPX is almost exactly at the August, 2007 low and we have had nothing but great news on how strong the economy is since August...how could this not be the bottom?!?!

TCA said why does sen Voinovich hate America

right before waterloo, those against the charge were probably called traitors or defeatocrats.

BTW, I think Credit Suisse forced out Ivy Zelman because of that Bob Toll Kool Aid comment, so I don't give them much credibility anymore.

We're in a recession, really tough Y/Y comparisons coming for the next 3 weeks and C is tugging futures higher. I only hope we get a 500pt rally tomorrow. I need a good reason to go ALL-IN.

Women's bottom are doing poorly at American Eagle. I am hoping Bernanke is going to buy most of the surplus so we don't lose any money. I don't think the markets could handle American Eagle missing in Q1.

From the WSJ: The Federal Reserve is considering contingency plans for expanding its lending power in the event its recent steps to unfreeze credit markets fail.

Among the options: Having the Treasury borrow more money than it needs to fund the government and leave the proceeds on deposit at the Fed, which would issue debt under its own name rather than the Treasury's....

Fed Weighs Its Options in Easing Crunch - WSJ.com

Fed will soon be issuing 2-ply bills, safe for septic systems.

in soviet russia they cared less what you thought but more what you said...i'm told by a russian friend.

in the usa the pr masters do indeed care very much what you think and make every effort to mold that thinking.

Zelman committed the unforgivable sin.

the sad part is that if policymakers had acted decisively, last may or june, when she "spoke out of turn" and before she was let go from CS, we might have had one last chance to avoid the train wreck.

now, its all over but the cryi

Sasha is so beautiful. Debbie Reynolds? Her comment was funny though.
That judge comparing her to Britney Spears??

Good luck Sasha!

Lower comps and costs that go up 5-10% every few weeks. Wow, retail is sure not not a sucker's game right now. If you're paid on any sort of commission/performance bonus program, you're guaranteed to see a paycut this year. Not just in real terms, but in god-blessed nominal terms, as well.

Got a conference call with my reg VP tomorrow and everyone in my position across the region. I think there's going to be a lot of walls with forehead-shaped dents in them.

From Barron's: Some Wall Street titans have been able to book gains from the declining value of their own debt.
...
Here's how the accounting works: When a company's credit weakens and the yield on its debt rises relative to risk-free Treasuries, the debt becomes worth less to the holder. The financial company, which is the debt issuer, then takes a gain, because theoretically it could buy back its debt below face value.

Wall Street's Latest Illusion Turning Losses into Paper Profits - Barrons.com

the sad part is that if policymakers had acted decisively, last may or june, when she "spoke out of turn" and before she was let go from CS, we might have had one last chance to avoid the train wreck.

I disagree - maybe we could have averted it in June 1998 - by June 07 we were already in deep. This mess was baked in the cake loooong ago. Only question was when it comes out.

Got a conference call with my reg VP tomorrow and everyone in my position across the region. I think there's going to be a lot of walls with forehead-shaped dents in them.
Niles | Homepage | 04.08.08 - 11:29 pm | #

Both my son & his expecting fiancee work retail - where my son works (bookstore) doing well. Where she works (luxury items) terrible - she says they are firing the managers every quarter end if they don't hit the numbers - its turned into a death march where no one wants to move up into management.

It would be funny except if they loose their jobs they are on my couch - new baby & all. I s'pose I'd get to know my future grand baby pretty well that way.

Sheeesh.

Sasha on Secret Talents:
YouTube -

Best to all.

Now for something completely different

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Bank Of China is pumping liquidity into my account.

>
Dear Friend, My name is Mr. Chen Guangyuan, I am a staff of Bank of China, Our late client named Ghazi Musa Hassan made a fixed deposit amount of $17,300,000, he did not declare any next of kin in any of his paper work, I want you as a foreigner to stand as the beneficiary to transfer this funds
....

Target has Starbucks coffee for $6.99 12 oz. bag ground or whole bean various blends. It's $9.99 now at the grocery store.

[The financial company, which is the debt issuer, then takes a gain, because theoretically it could buy back its debt below face value]

And I guess all that loot passed at the Fed window could be used to buy back the debt. Only in Ben's America!

I for one will continue to shop at Costco!

I will continue to spend the good dollar!

I will continue to watch CNBC!

I will not go into bankruptcy quietly!

Thread music: Nancy Sinatra - These Boots Are Made For Walking
YouTube
- Broadcast Yourself.

My local (Austin, TX) COSTCO just raised prices on some grocceries I'm usually buying there by 15%.

Sigh

Ottawan writes:
My local (Austin, TX) COSTCO just raised prices on some grocceries I'm usually buying there by 15%.

Sigh
Ottawan | 04.08.08 - 11:58 pm | #

My personal litmus test is the price per pound of chicken: $2.99. It hasn't budged for several years surpisingly...

Here's something funny. I bought my house in 2000, and have about $200,000 in equity. I had plans to spend about $50-$60,000 of that on renovating the upstairs and kitchen.

Last week, WAMU wrote me a letter saying my HELOC credit limit was just lowered to $5,000 above my current balance. I have an excellent credit rating (honestly), and it appears WAMU is only willing to loan me 30% LTV (I'm already 100K into my HELOC) -- just three years ago they were willing to go what appeared to me to be about 100%.

Smart reader, you might say, well, it's not 30% based on WAMU's new appraisal. Yes, but even they conceded that their appraisal put my equity at $150,000. So, even by their own calculations, they're only willing to go to something less than 50%.

Two points: (1) Either WAMU is really hurting or they are anticipating serious declines in housing values or both (this is in Washington DC mind you). (2) In either case, this US consumer is no longer about to dump another $50,000 into the great multiplier.

Can you say feedback loop?

Found today that bananas went from $.49/lb 5 months ago to $.68/lb today. Yeah, they're Dole.

Homedad43... I noticed the same thing. The bananas were pretty scrawnie also. Inflation is LOW if you don't eat, drink or drive.

CR,

Thanks for posting the You Tube link to Sascha's performance. I missed it. Do you know when they open the voting again? It was only open a short while.

Funny thing happened to me today. Went into a Dunkin Donuts for morning coffee. On the counter was a hand scrawled sign apologizing that EVERY price on the menu had been raised effective that morning. Suddenly I remembered the 1970s. Inflation tends to sneak in slowly with these signs. But soon they are raising EVERY price every few weeks. A few weeks ago I saw a restaurant menu whited out and prices changed by hand in ball-point pen. I hadn't seen that in 30 years.

Thought I'd ask my boss when the 9.9% cost-of-living raise would come through. I used to get them every 6 months circa 1978-79. That's when I was reminded it wasn't the 1970s. This time we all just get poor.

km4: If Osama bin laden blows up some pipelines/oil fields, supply lines, he'll really have the western world by the balls. Oil would spike to $150+/barrel or more. Chaos. Like Chalmers 3 pointer last night...put the dagger in deep.

Federal Credit Cards Misused
GAO Cites Charging Of Frivolous Items
"Federal employees used government credit cards to pay for lingerie, gambling, iPods, Internet dating services, and a $13,000 steak-and-liquor dinner, according to a new audit from the Government Accountability Office, which found widespread abuses in a purchasing program meant to improve bureaucratic efficiency."
Federal Credit Cards Misused - washingtonpost.com

S&P has lowered ratings on more than 3,100 tranches from 729 CDO transactions

That suggests smaller XMAS gifts later on, after the subprime resets actually kick in.

Here's an inflationary eyecatcher:

Haitians storm presidential palace over soaring food prices

The money quote: "For months, Haitians have compared their hunger pains to "eating Clorox" because of the burning feeling in their stomachs. The most desperate have come to depend on a traditional hunger palliative of cookies made of dirt, vegetable oil and salt."

homedad43-
Bananas were 9 cents per lb in 1969 when I started my first job at a supermarket making $1.30 minimum wage with no benefits and lousy tips bagging & carrying out groceries.

My personal litmus test is the price per pound of chicken: $2.99. It hasn't budged for several years surpisingly...
Dean | 04.09.08 - 12:03 am | #

I found the last 2.99 chicken breasts in my local area at Trader Joes. They held for years, but even those went up to 3.49 recently. Big bags of frozen chicken breasts have held in price, but gone from 3 lb to 2.5. Nice!

On the counter was a hand scrawled sign apologizing that EVERY price on the menu had been raised effective that morning

Tomorrow, when I go into my store, 1500 items will be going up in price. A few of them are doubling. Best part is that these price increases will only last as long as our current rate against the Euro does.

I went to a Starbucks today and every cup of coffee went up another nickel; they'd held the line for years, and then 15-20% increases in the span of the last 2-3 years. A tall now costs what a venti used to.

The most interesting part of Volker's speech (to me anyway) was the statement that the notional value credit default swaps exceeds the actual value of the debt they are written against by some order of magnitude (that escapes me at the moment)...is this rampant speculation?

I'm glad that gas is only going to $3.60 this summer.

I'll start asking for refunds from the pump attendant, who has been charging me ~$3.70 for 88 octane for two weeks now here in SoCal.

And, I hope that nice deep red in the Nikkei holds to the morning.

Dive, dive, dive!

My inflation tracker is limes for fresh margaritas.

Month ago: 29 cents per
Now: 69 cents

Too Close to the Sun writes:

My inflation tracker is limes for fresh margaritas.

But splurge a little and you won't care.

When beer goes up, Gary's toast.

the worst part of all this is that beer is going up about 30%, due to hop shortages (in addition to the same factors that hit everything else). Just when I need it the most, it's out of reach Sad

(Note: doesn't apply to major brews, since they bought hop futures to lock in prices. but it takes about six times as many to get you anywhere)

U.S. represents about 21 percent of the global economy.

Cute site:

Why Don't Prices Decline During A Recession?

The money supply is constantly expanding, so the economy has a consistent inflationary pressure given by factor 1. The Federal Reserve has a table listing the M1, M2, and M3 money supply. (To learn about these definitions, see How much is the per capita money supply in the U.S.?). From Recession? Depression? we saw that during the worst recession America has experienced since World War II, from November 1973 to March 1975, real GDP fell by 4.9 percent. This would have caused deflation, except that the money supply rose rapidly during this period, with the seasonally adjusted M2 rising 16.5% and the seasonally adjusted M3 rising 24.4%. Data from Economagic shows that the Consumer Price Index rose 14.68% during this severe recession. A recessionary period with a high inflation rate is known as stagflation, a concept made famous by Milton Friedman. While inflation rates are generally lower during recessions, we can still experience high levels of inflation through the growth of the money supply.

So the key point here is that while the inflation rate rises during a boom and falls during a recession, it generally does not go below zero due to a consistently increasing money supply.

Sorry to inject a comment about a particular stock, but at least it's on topic...

With retail clearly on the edge of the abyss, how is it possible that Urban Outfitters (URBN) is near an all time high with a PE ratio of close to 35????

Do they sell magic garments or something?

i used to think microsoft had an awesome amount of cash piling up in its balance sheet that it can use for such things as, I don't know, buying yahoo, or saving the world, or something.

But I think this crisis shows where most of the cash awash in the world has gone, and shows that 36 billion that microsoft had to spend is hardly the deposit on a new mega yacht (or a defunct web company): most of the cash has gone into the hands of the top 0.1% as they enriched themselves while building this debt mountain, and thence straight into private equity funds so that it can support thousands of family dynasties for the next 300 years with yearly tax free returns of 10%+. Welcome to the new dark ages for everyone else.

Oh another WaMu tidbit:

After studying WaMu's financial records, JPMorgan turned in the initial offer last week, the Journal reported, citing sources familiar with the situation, adding that top executives at the bank were surprised to hear that WaMu was about to announce the TPG deal instead.

The bid (rejected) by JPM was ostensibly just $8 a share, but WaMu said it actually would have worked out at less than that!

I wonder how much record studying TPG did. I wonder what is going through the head of common shareholders who are bidding $11.80 currently.

Everytime I go to the grocery store, I just shake my head at how much more expensive EVERYTHING is. Inflation is rampant. Don't let others tells you otherwise.

About Ivy Zelman.. like everyone, I'm a fan of smart, hot professional women.. but according to Florida realty guy Mike Morgan (can't remember if the comment was on his blog or on Mish's), Ivy didn't get it at first, either.

Her mind was changed when he persuaded her to do some field work, and see with her own eyes how overbuilt everything was... and to NOT trust numbers solely based on 'past history'. 'Course, that's according to Morgan.

"Hungry Haitians stormed the palace on Tuesday........UN peacekeepers fired on the rioters with rubber bullets and teargas.."

This is the second time this week that I've read an article on UN "peacekeepers" firing on hungry crowds. (Was Egypt the other?)

This is ramping up very quickly all around the world.

Will egregious food inflation and starvation in other countries finally be the straw that breaks the camels' back as far as foreigners wanting anything to do with our dollars and debt?

I remember hearing Europeans back in the 70's complaining that the US "exported inflation". I didn't understand what they meant at that time. Now I get it.

That is a really sad article that Yamhillman linked up there. All of these food inflation articles have been really sad. They started trickling in slowly about 4 months ago and now they are ramping up quickly and getting worse and worse. ie. what began as shortages and price rises is now onto the getting-close - to- starvation phase.

Americans are lucky in that they have a bit of disposable income and, in general, plenty of extra space to stockpile at least some food before TS_really_HTF here.

People in other countries that are closer to the edge...not so much.

So UN peacekeepers are primarily bodyguards for the PTB? I wasn't really aware of that before.

"Today WaMu Corporate announced that unfortunately they will be closing down WaMu Wholesale. All new incoming applications but be submitted by no later than Wednesday April 9th and all current files in the pipeline will be closed accordingly. More details on the announcement are to follow. Please refer to http://www.wamubroker.com for any additional details as well.

We would like to take this opportunity and thank you for all your support and business through the years as it was a pleasure working with you and serving you as our Premiere Mortgage Brokers."

Elvis,

Prices high in bay area too! Costco, Safeway, Lucky and Target pushing higher. Local target was as empty as I've ever seen it, I shop there for sundries, detergents etc, all pricing moving up, still cheaper then safeway etc.
Speaking of empty- flew out of SFO last week at 6 in the evening American terminal, I saw 20-25 people max. It was a wierd empty too. like what the f#4%, where is everybody? Peak business hours on weekday?

You can hear and feel an earthquake before it hits, but you can't do much outside of run, take cover or pray.

Great Fed Balance Sheet chart by SuddenDebt (an excellent blog):

The Fed's Balance Sheet

SuddenDebt 

OT: The Fed let forth a flood of liquidity, and the regulators looked the other way as bad loans were made and debt became excessive. In a sense, it had to, if the economy was to keep going, if the costs of the war were to remain hidden, if Americans were to be persuaded they could have a war for free. Hundreds of billions of dollars in mortgage equity withdrawals offset the war's adverse effects. But that game is over. The only reason things aren't worse is that the US has exported its problems, just as it did its toxic mortgages. The falling dollar has helped US exports but hurt other countries' exports to the US. It is the 21st-century version of the "beggar thy neighbour" policies that predominated in the Depression.

Ooops, lost the link... oh well, from the UK; found it at nakedcapitalism earlier, sorry

Thieves are getting “very creative,” using vehicles with large tanks and electronic pump systems to quickly drain the tanks of parked big rigs or the fuel storage tanks on farms or ranches.

Rural farmers and landowners who store and use large amounts of fuel in tractors, trucks and farm equipment may want to step up their anti-theft practices, the California Department of Food and Agriculture says.

Fuel thieves are just part of the crime problem facing farmers and ranchers. In addition to the well-publicized thefts of copper pipe and wiring, the old-fashion cattle theft is seeing increased numbers.

The California Bureau of Livestock Identification says that from May to November of last year, 807 head of cattle and calves were reported missing or stolen in California, up from 602 during the same period in 2006.

In the past decade, more than 16,000 head of cattle and calves worth more than $9 million have been reported missing and stolen from California farms and ranches.

WTF is going on with US food prices?

I've been buying US beef and chicken for less than you guys pay.

In canada here btw.

April 8 (Bloomberg) -- Dole Food Co., the world's largest fresh-fruit and vegetable producer, is selling land in Hawaii and California to avoid default on $350 million in bonds.

Re: A case of milk that went for about $14 a year ago now costs $3 or $4 more. A 50-pound bag of jasmine rice can set you back at least an extra $2 compared to prices last year.

Bananas used to go for 99 cents a pound; now they generally sell for $1.29 at many island stores.
The rising cost of fuel has increased the cost of shipping food and most other things to Guam, but it's not the only cause of higher prices.

Internationally, experts blame the rise in rice prices on costlier fuel and fertilizer, as well as harvests curtailed by disease, pests and climate change, The Associated Press reported.

There are concerns prices could rise further by 40 percent in coming months, according to the AP.

But there's another aspect of Guam's economy that's a cause for concern: Tourism.

Visitor arrivals from Japan, the biggest source of tourists for the island, saw a 5 percent decline in arrivals in March, or by more than 4,000 tourists, Bradley said.

Overall outbound travel by the Japanese declined in March, which could be attributed to Japanese consumers' economic jitters there as well, Bradley said.

guampdn.com | Hagatna | Pacific Daily News

Wait a few weeks and reevaluate. Distributors/retailers could be holding down retails, hoping that this goes away before they have to raise prices.

For whatever reason, meat hasn't been real bad for me either. Dairy (cheese especially) is up big time, flour is skyrocketing, coffee and beer are both bad. Produce has been bad, but not awful.

But I can't think why dairy and grain would go up, and meat wouldn't.

Coffee and cheese are cheap here too.

$2/10 oz brick. $1.99 /300g ca

But I can't think why dairy and grain would go up, and meat wouldn't.

Milk and cheese spiked last year, I think, partly because weather problems in Calif reduced production and partly because feed costs soared. The US wheat crop was very low last year (weather again) so supplies are very tight. My neighbors are planting every square inch they can to barley (does well in our valley) in the hopes of getting some of that increase price. Well, they are finally planting, the ground has been too frozen/wet to work until this week. Makes for a short growing season.

And all you folks buying at Costco, thanks a lot. Because of you, we are working weekends making that processed cheese stuff...

i have seen something saying that up to 40 countries around the globe are having unrest/riots/protests over food prices.

here in the states/canada,etc, instead of taking to the streets, we blog on it!

not sure what to make of it...

Fed looking at how to beef up lending power -WSJ

Fed looking at how to beef up lending power: report
| Reuters

Printing presses are being dusted off and serviced.

Shanghai down 4%.... ssssszzz.. owwoww

OT, but I'm puzzled. Logged into chase.com last month as usual to pay my credit card bill via online transfer from my checking account (at a local bank). When I log in this month to pay, I realize that somehow Chase managed to charge me twice last month. No balance due this month. Simple mistake? Maybe they're doing something tricky to improve their accounting? I'm curious if this has happened to anyone else.

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The number of commercial beekeepers is dwindling because the business of keeping bees is not as profitable as it once was, according to Jeff Pettis, research leader at the U.S. Department of Agriculture Bee Research Laboratory in Maryland.

That decline in profitability is due in large part, Pettis said, to lower honey prices — the average U.S. price per pound dropped four-tenths of a cent over the past year. Keepers also face difficulty in keeping healthy bees resistant to Colony Collapse Disorder, a phenomenon in which colonies experience a rapid loss of worker honeybees.

In re;

beer prices...

for 2008 crop, contract prices are up about 400%, and you are lucky to get them at any price, folks who do have not contracted for hops may pay much more or have to do without/fold their tents

malt barley is up about 50% and rising

Sorry, hops up 400%.....

Oh, poo. King County facing possible budget meltdown |
KOMO News
- Seattle, Washington
| News

So what's wrong? King County budget money kept climbing as long as homes were being built and sold. The slowdown is hitting home, hard.

The county is also being hit with a low rate of return on investments, and had what the budget office calls "write-downs resulting from impaired investments."

Another part of the problem is that people are holding on to their wallets. They aren't buying anything, from cars to refrigerators.

Well, so much for "Seattle is immune"

YamhillMan: check out MaxedOutMama  [a regular poster here]. Lots of links and interesting comments on Sunday and Monday regarding rice around the world.

dryfly 11:38 pm:

I disagree - maybe we could have averted it in June 1998

Here's a pretty good summary:

While the Clinton administration generally supported Glass-Steagall "modernization," but there are concerns that mid-term elections in the fall could bring in Democrats less sympathetic to changing the laws.

Sandy Weill calls President Clinton in the evening to try to break the deadlock after Senator Phil Gramm, chairman of the Banking Committee, warned Citigroup lobbyist Roger Levy that Weill has to get White House moving on the bill or he would shut down the House-Senate conference.

frontline: the wall street fix: mr. weill goes to washington: the long demise of glass-steagall | PBS 

That name again:

Gramm was partly caught up in the Enron scandal when it emerged that his wife Wendy had part written an exemption for Enron from federal oversight while she was serving on the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.

Gramm was personally involved further when it came to light that he had helped to turn the exemption into law as well as push through the deregulation of energy markets that led in part to the Enron scandal. During this period Enron was a major contributor to his campaigns

Phil Gramm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 

And where is Phil Gramm now - co-chair and economic advisor of McCain’s campaign. Even before the Rove smear campaign starts McCain is polling well:

WH2008: General

Someone posted on here a while back that McCain and Clinton were more business friendly.

"I have an excellent credit rating (honestly)"

Going forward it will be about cash, not credit rating.

People will be asking for your balance instead of your FICO.

It looks like Bob Toll and Ira Hovnanian just got thrown under the bus by the unlikely duo of President Bush and Rep. Charlie Rangel:

Senate Housing Bill faces veto threat

Somehow, I think they'll survive (personally, at least.)

Love reading all these comments. Here in Panama, the food prices are starting to rise, but not nearly as much as you indicate in the US. One interesting point-- Just bought a new car (Suzuki Alto) and will pick it up tomorrow!! Thought this would be a real good time as the price of steel has doubled for the next production year in Japan-- the point?-- It gets 70 MPG, has Air, 4 door hatchback and all the goodies-- NOT available in the US. The Price? $7,500 out the door with Tax (15%), Title and License!!! Got to wonder just how much of the US problems for consumers are the result of restrictive (to you, not us) trade?

true dat, on the price of hops! From $4/8. per lb. to $20/30. per lb. Worse is availability, we are now sitting on over 800 lbs. to sell over the balance of the year. In our business, no hops, no nuthin' else!

truckers pay 65c/mile in fuel costs...

vs 41c/ml last year...

shipper's pick up most of that tab.

we have at times felt like crack whores, trying to buy the stuff!

at the same time, more and more fresh faces trooping through the door, wanting to make their own beer.

Matty, you better start learning to brew mild ales. Low in alcohol and hops, a nice summer drink. Unfortunately most microbrewers use hops like crackheads. The only people who can drink those high IBU ales are hop heads and those who smoke 3 packs a day and can't taste anything.

Matty, from an old thread,

From what I've ben told if you put em in planters and chill em in a fridge for a couple of weeks you can trick em into 2 seasons. Otherwise it's one; sprout in January, harvest in May before the heat gets to be too much.

yo, alec: I know how, the trick is convincing the customers of that. I almost visibly cringe when they say IPA.

alec: caught that. Here in Vermont, were still waiting for the frost to exit the ground. also sitting on almost 500 rhizomes, gonna be a farmer!

yeah, actually doing what CR posters joke about!

I know it seems as if there's a million micros and brew pubs, but why is there a hop shortage? Is it low end, did farmers replant with grapevines, weather? Big brwers cornering the market?

alec: I believe the biggest factor is worldwide demand. Parts of the world that historically drink beer, now do. Micros, homebrewers area drop in the bucket.

did NOT drink beer... sorry.

also, in the brave new world economy, crop failures in one area just sends them chasing someone elses supply.

stinky writes:
i have seen something saying that up to 40 countries around the globe are having unrest/riots/protests over food prices.

here in the states/canada,etc, instead of taking to the streets, we blog on it! not sure what to make of it...

Contrary to popular belief the revolution will not be televised. It will however be posted then graphed including blue bars showing past revolutions and then linked to the blogs of MSM types desperately trying to keep up. By the time it is painfully obvious to all here excepting one who insists no revolution is even possible the NYTimes will feature a news analysis feature explaining how since the newspaper of record has not weighed in on the issue it can be safely ignored.

As a hop head I was wondering what the cause of the hop price jump was? Were there crop failures? Did people go out of businessness? Should I be buying land for my upstate NY hop farm?

12: see my comments above.

Sam, you are the man. thanks

12th %

Upstate NY is great country for hops, almost anyplace you can grow grapes and has a decent water supply can grow hops. They suck up water like a sponge, can grow 2 feet a day and are climbers.

Here people are talking about some not having enough to eat, and we get whining about the cost of beer. And some wonder why those ouside the US think we're idiotic.

And price increases for certain things do not indicate inflation. Some are due to temporary production shortages (wheat from weather), import restrictions, or speculative hoarding. They will flux back down when these pressures cease. We periodically go through beef spikes, chicken spikes, and various produce spikes. I don't class these things as inflation but, then again, I stick to the definition that inflation is the expansion of money and credit.

So the answer is don't buy these expensive items, i don't. Don't drive as much, I cut back. Don't travel. The reduced demand will pull prices back into line and the curve changes. When it comes to retail, after the 10 year orgy we just had, who really NEEDS much of anything? Hunker down for 12 months.

i find it interesting to see discussion here on inflation float from pure demand/demographic influences to pure monetary influences.

well, which the hell is it?

oh and by the way, why not talk about all the things that have gone down in price or up in utility?

i just bought a nice pair of jeans for 19.99.

and a gigantic LCD HD TV for $600.

and my cell phone which still costs $300 does like, you know, WAY MORE than it did in 1990 when i got my first one for, you know, $300.

oops anon 8:30 c'est moi!

Ipodius, I think most of the people here are unhappy with the increased cost of living. They call it inflation because that is a nice short hand label.

Ipodius, I think most of the people here are unhappy with the increased cost of living. They call it inflation because that is a nice short hand label.

Yes, I understand that, but there is constant price flux. Right now, the cost of fuel is a driver and the speculative commodity action a driver of food prices. The two combine to put enormous pressure on everyday items. But that is temporary and volitile which is why it isn't empasized in the inflation indices. If it were permanent (which we could discuss) then it would be expansionary and have to be accounted for.

But what is supposed to happen is this: if the price of strawberries is high, we won't buy them. Reduced demand will change the curve. The same goes for gas. If everyone put in 1 tank less a week, or flew less, the demand curve would shift and put downward pressure on price. So what I'm saying is just buy exactly what you need and let the market take its course.

anon, so does that TV do a lot more for you? Do you see the pixels better?

Do they let you express yourself better by wearing them? What about the jeans, do they accomodate more of you?

What about the phone, does it let you express yourself more clearly? Do you get better reception?

If the answer is yes, then who cares. If the answer is no, then who cares?

Prices have risen. For the haves, that is a non-issue. For the havenots, it is.

my inflation indexed treasury fund was up 15 percent in the last 12 months. And we are in recession. depressflation.

Ahh yes the great chicken spike of 1990 - I remember it well. The local bar where I attended an institution of higher learning jacked prices for Monday night football. As a sophmore I could go there for $.10 drafts and $.10 wings - junior year they changed pricing to $4 pitchers and 30 wings for $4... A truly terrible time. We used to take turns licking the sauce from each others fingers to get our moneys worth...

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On the subject of recession someone commented: “A "very" optimistic bear: Nouriel Roubini”

After all, Roubini is an economist. He is incapable of figuring out what causes depressions. He is not even considering the probability of a depression, let alone a severe depression.

He may lose credibility if he talked about depression and may not get invited to Davos. To be successful as an economist one has to serve the interests of the Crooks and not offend them too much. In America, you either pander to born-and-bred dopes or you pander to the Crooks if you want economic and political success. Truth about economics and political system is extremely unpopular in America and so not many dare to. And how is a born-and-bred dope to know the truth from falsehood?! Lifetime of brainwashing does its damage.

Jas

I line i heard from the owner of Sam Adams. He claims his father taugh him this:

"There is food in beer. There is no beer in food."

What about the phone, does it let you express yourself more clearly? Do you get better reception?

Remember that "feeling good" is part of economics too, as is "personal taste". It would be a bleak world if we didn't have a few items to enjoy for our hard work. That they cost less is a bonus. Don't knock it.

And beer isn't food. It's a luxury item. You can survive quite well without it. If you watched movies on a nice, new LCD HD TV over the course of a year it would cost less.

anya,

are you using a computer? i guess you're a have then.

clothing, communications and entertainment are things that will never go away and are part of everyone's life.

yes the jeans are comfortable and they certainly do accomodate more of me, shame about that - no time for exercise with all the work.

and yes the TV is better, works better and entertains me better.

and yes the phone works better, makes me more efficient, allows me to produce more goods ands services which you buy use and appreciate. in fact, its helped me to create jobs, find recreation time, see my family and increase my overall happiness / effectiveness.

why is this issue so hard for people to understand?

ipodius writes:
Here people are talking about some not having enough to eat, and we get whining about the cost of beer. And some wonder why those ouside the US think we're idiotic.

Bread is dried beer. Wheat is up because of fear but also substitution at the crop level and the cost of energy. Face it everything is up because of energy. Beer is a very useful canary in the coal mine precisely because it is bought on the margin and subject to discretionary consumer sentiment and more sensitive to price inputs. If beer costs are really rising as much beer prices seem to indicate then will come bread and then meat.

While I've just made that statement about beer, what never ceases to amaze me is how much money people spend on booze. A mixed drink out is anywhere from $8 to $12 around here, and beer is around $3 to $6. You have to be kidding me! I would NEVER spend that (and I don't because I don't drink alcohol but I do hang around in bars Smile. I see people going out every weekend and I wonder how they can afford it. You have to drop somewhere around $100 a night just in bars. Imagine doing that every weekend. Yipes!

ipod: whatever. however, this issue is an existential theat to my business. not whining, just reporting on an aspect of the economy (my tiny part of it) in the hope that this information is heelpful to others here. peace.

Remember that "feeling good" is part of economics too, as is "personal taste".

Perhaps an average Joe would derive a greater amount of "feeling good" by having some savings to last him through rough patches, and a roof over his head if he could afford it, and money to buy gas so he can get to work.

anya i think its pretty well documented that the amount of spending on luxury goods, excess items, and things that have little or no real utility has been the larger substitution for savings than inflation on certain items.

or said another way, the use of credit to buy those items and the necessary repayment of such debt robs one of savings in a much more dramatic fashion.

PS having a car isn't necessary so neither is gas.

Niles writes:
...

For whatever reason, meat hasn't been real bad for me either. Dairy (cheese especially) is up big time, flour is skyrocketing, coffee and beer are both bad. Produce has been bad, but not awful.

But I can't think why dairy and grain would go up, and meat wouldn't.


I read a blog entry on site recently (mighta been here) where the person posting indicated that currently/recently, meat producers (e.g., ranchers, chicken farmers) have been dumping at below cost what would otherwise be future generation producers. This because the cost of feed (thanks, ethanol) has risen so much that the near-term return on meat is negative. So they are deliberately cutting immediate costs by dumping what would have been their producers next year.

Net/Net: current glut of meat is keeping prices low. Future prospects: scarcity of meat and poultry driving prices very, very high.

dc1000,

You ever work in Houston? Many US cities have abysmal public transit, making car ownership much more of a baseline requirement there than in the Northeast.

dc1000,

What you say makes sense. But my point is that explaining inflation by citing increased utility, does not appeal to some folks.

"12th Percentile writes:
As a hop head I was wondering what the cause of the hop price jump was? Were there crop failures? Did people go out of businessness? Should I be buying land for my upstate NY hop farm?
12th Percentile | 04.09.08 - 8:17 am | #"

Price of hops increased because the the most recent harvest in Germany was terrible. This is just getting figured into the price of beer now. The US and Germany represent over 52% of the global hop production.

don't forget the shitty exchange rate.

What if everytime you went to the fuel stand, one US gallon was really 3/4, 7/8, 1/2.

Or at a hardware store you asked for a 2X4, but one day it was 1X3 OR 2x2.

It would piss you off. No one likes variance in their weights and measures. Good trade and equal expectations depends on it.

But the FED/Treas Mafia are doing that year-to-year, and daily with your currency. And trying to discourage any of the traditional hedges away from it, the better to plunder you with.

From the NY Times...

Looming Deficit Impedes Federal Housing Agency

"...the F.H.A., the government agency that insures home loans for many first-time, minority and lower-income buyers, is grappling with financial woes of its own.

Housing officials say the agency will face a deficit for the first time in its 74-year history, starting in the fiscal year that begins in October. And they blame a rapidly growing and increasingly troubled sector of the F.H.A.’s mortgage portfolio, known as the seller-financed down payment loan program, which has suffered from high delinquency and foreclosure rates in recent years."

Looming Deficit Impedes Federal Housing Agency - NY Times

Who could have knew???

PS having a car isn't necessary so neither is gas.
dc1000

That's not much of a quality life you are describing. Mobility is almost always a positive net wealth generator. Perhaps you are assuming that the current massive subsidies to transit users will continue. Possible not not likely in the face of recent budgets. Transit use declines in recessions and transit funding is facing some major challenges at the same time. The idea that gas isn't necessary to the mobility of transit users is overly simple to the point of being incorrect.

energyecon-
forgetting for a minute decreased labor mobility due to the recent housing situation - so what if houston has crap public transpo, dont live there. move to a city that will accomodate you. its an investment that will pay off over time.

nanya-
simply because people can't realize they get more for less doesn't make it not so and their inability to see it is their problem not mine.

unless of course they elected president or something ludicrous like that

That certainly doesn't help...

Hey...I know now to beat inflation...walk everywhere and don't eat.

Best regards to all.

rob dawg-

whats silly is paying taxes into subisdies for public transportation and then buying a car and fueling it yourself.

thats silly

its what i do but then again i chose to live in an area underserved by public transport. well, the kind i'd ride anyway.

i think its well documented that if we all got together and paid for public transportation collectively it'd cost less than if we all had cars and bought gas.

isn't it?

this issue is an existential theat to my business. not whining, just reporting on an aspect of the economy

Oh i'm not minimizing that, but while the line "beer is food" is funny, it isn't true. When budgets get tight these are the items you cut back on...unless you live in the Czech Rep. where beer is cheaper than bottled water. So if you could do that here (make good beer cheap) you'd do as well I think.

And anon, eating less and walking more would probably decrease our reliance on health care and stupid research into pills so people don't get fat instead of actually preventing disease and curing things. People get fat because they eat too much full stop. It's a simple equation...if you comsume more calories than you expend, you store the excess as fat. Don't get me going on this as I see entire families waddling down the street....

"why is this issue so hard for people to understand?
dc1000"

It's not hard to understand. But it's bullshit.

ipod: thats what we do, make good beer cheapER than equivilent commercial verieties.

Re: Food

No country is more than 3 meals away from a revolution.

I don't know who said it but I think it is very true. Of course, it took me awhile to figure out.

i think its well documented that if we all got together and paid for public transportation collectively it'd cost less than if we all had cars and bought gas.

You'll get Rob on the exburb bandwagon again, but it isn't too hard to figure out that the gas I (and all other commuters to the same place) consume getting to work as we ride by ourselves in a car would be more than a filled subway car of the same people.

I took the T here for years and it was great. I use public transport all over Europe too and always avoid cars...never felt deprived. But, of course, the transport is great here as there. Not so much in a place like Dallas.

I don't notice food prices much since I am reasonably well off (and single) and just buy what I want at the supermarket without paying attention to the cost. A friend of mine however who is not as well off tells me--- often---how much food prices have risen. And they would have had to rise considerable for him to notice.

anon 9:16:

i suggest brushing up on basic econ 101 to understand that greater utility for the same price is actually price deflation.

maybe in my next life, I'll do something important, like you.

ipod: thats what we do, make good beer cheapER than equivilent commercial verieties.

Is it in New England? I'll get my friends to knock back some Smile

dc1000 writes:
...move to a city that will accomodate you with transit]. its an investment that will pay off over time.

IMO a very risky 'investment.' You are establishing a dependency on a subsidized government provided service central to you personal economic circumstance. Transit users pay about a quarter of the true costs of the resource they consume and represent a very small constituency. In a budget crisis we call those targets. The general public is not going to stand for paying more for their higher costs and cover more for transit users. If the operating cost increases alone of the last few years were covered buy users a doubling of existing fares would not be enough.

You won't be able to avoid high prices by turning to transit.

Ipod: come have one with me. slake your hunger.

DC1000

If I work in the energy biz and I don't want to drive, where do I move, to an oil rig in the gulf?

What about my family?

The hubris from your building deal must've really knocked you for a loop.

dc1000,

I know the argument, joker. I also know it's a ploy to keep statistical validation away from prying eyes.

matty - lol...i'm sure we'd have a fun econ discussion too Smile

I went to Target the other day...it was a ghost town. I went to Krogers the other day, same deal.

The mall was nearly deserted last week.

Can't spend what you don't have.

ipod: its why the midieval monks made beer, it got them through lent.

While I may buy a television one every 10-15 years, I like to eat every day.

So technological advances don't impress me as much as seeing the 48 ounces of corn oil selling at Safeway for $7.99.

I know the argument, joker. I also know it's a ploy to keep statistical validation away from prying eyes.

anon...what? are you talking economics or just everyday crap? something that costs the same but provides for more economic value (productivity) exhibits price deflation. Period. Price increase can indicate many things, generally scarcity, but also hording, speculation, etc. Which is why it is NOT inflation. At least in my book. But if you choose to look at it that way, you have to take the other economic principles that go with it. You don't get to take uncorrolated theories.

alec -

its an abstract discussion. its ok to talk in abstracts because the vast millions of citizens in the county provide the ability to speak in statistics. on the margin, you can chose to live on or near public transport as way to save on gas consumption.

i mean, geeze, many people live within adequate public transportation and simply elect to drive. like myself. if i couldn't afford a car but required staying where i live, i'd end up taking public transportation.

my point is about choices. we make some dumb choices collectively as a nation.

i'm part of it. i live in a city and drive a V6 and my wife drives a V6 and we both drive the 2 miles to work each day in separate cars and work in the same office.

we could both walk and be better off.

or less draconian, we could ride together.

in a hyrbid.

or ride a bike.

and yes, to the oil man who needs to travel to his work - yes thats a real thing you can't avoid.

but to all those who rot in I-66 traffic daily just because they don't want to take the commuter train - i just don't get it, especially when you COMPLAIN ABOUT GAS.

i used to buy one tank of gas every three weeks.

i think its well documented that if we all got together and paid for public transportation collectively it'd cost less than if we all had cars and bought gas.

isn't it? - dc1000

Exactly the opposite. Transit 'only' costs 4x per passenger mile more than POV because transit provision self selects for the lowest possible operating cost arrangements. Expanding transit provision results in the opposite of economies of scale as incremental additions to service are increasingly less optimal.

Beer has calories, carbohydrates, nutrients; ergo beer is food. You may not like that kind of food, but it's food.

rob -

thanks. i was asking a question.

its like the last mile of the mailbox/telecommunications etc.

seems odd tho that once the sunk costs are invested in rail, that the marginal costs of operating it are greater per person per mile than operating a single vehical for a single person.

and with respect to bus, isn't the math pretty simple there? 60 people in one bus at a time instead of 1 person in a car? not to mention that bus making 30 trips a day?

beer has made a fine breakfast from time to time.

While I may buy a television one every 10-15 years, I like to eat every day.

I bet the savings in the price of that TV (the one I bought last year was less than 1/2 the price originally...so approx 1800) is more than the amount of the corn you eat each year. Let's try this: use my example and over the life of the TV (10 years), i saved $15 a month. No matter what the price increase on corn is, it won't be more than 15 a month over 10 years.

Now because of the price deflation of the TV on replacement, i have $15 a month more than I otherwise would have. You could argue I could have bought a cheaper TV, but I wouldnt' have.

OMG Bosch! LOL, that's horrible!

dc1000,

Let's see, there is a thriving energy industry in your neck of the woods? No, that's right its all ultimately tied to sucking off the public teat, which milk flows from the efforts of folks working in places like Houston, for one.

Keerist, try not to be a maroon willya?

ergo beer is food

I think most people would think of food as something they could give to their 5 year old when they are crying and hungry...although I did make it through college on a cold one in the morning...until i couldn't do that anymore....

and with respect to bus, isn't the math pretty simple there? 60 people in one bus at a time instead of 1 person in a car? not to mention that bus making 30 trips a day? - dc1000 |

The average transit bus has 11 people and gets slightly worse energy mileage than the average auto which carries 1.57 persons. Sure 60 people all coming from one place going to one other place makes sense by bus but that's not what happens. Even when we are talking about the Riverside 'D' line in Boston all the last mile work is done by buses and autos right? Replace that parking lot with transit equivalents and costs skyrocket and service quality goes down.

DC1000: Sad that you drive 2 miles to work with a V6 and your wife in another V6 as well, working in the same office.

The average transit bus has 11 people and gets slightly worse energy mileage than the average auto which carries 1.57 persons.

Oh lord, i knew we were going to get Rob going again...

But in my world Rob, you'd HAVE to take public transportation or I'd tax the crap out of you to enter the city by yourself in a car to cut down on congestion, pollution, etc. So those taxes would more than pay the difference. Also we'd be greener for it.

interesting, rob. so you're saying its more cost effective for us to have our own personal transportation and not use our collective purchasing power to reduce costs?

i'm open to considering that please admit it does seem to fly in the face of our 'discount for quantity' economy we live i

ipodious-

Let's use my example instead and have a TV that cost a couple hundred bucks. I hardly use it anyway, since we have a library and I can get new ideas far faster through reading than through the painfully slow, repetitious drone of the TV. When it breaks, or a few months later, I'll pick up another in the same price bracket.

The price deflation you mention only matters to people who buy those expensive, cutting edge items. Everyday costs go up far more than I would "save" on what technology I buy.

So your argument works for your life and things you value, but makes no sense for mine. I'll buy a bag of dog food, take my perro for a hike and read on the mountaintop instead.

ipodius

I wouldn't give foie gras to a screaming, hungry 5 year old, that doesn't make it food.

But, before the water supply was safe people DID give beer to their screaming, hungry 5 year olds.

So your argument works for your life and things you value, but makes no sense for mine

Tis what makes the world go round, but doesn't effect the mathematics of the argument.

again, what alec said.

"maybe in my next life, I'll do something important, like you."

Matty, please. My college roomate become head brewer at a craft brewery. We refer to what he does as "doing the Lord's work". Very important.

So what brand do you make? You've intrigued this consumer.

doesn't not make it food, or whatever.

Back to my kellerbier in the Dinkelacker Brauereigastatte.

Please don't dominate the rap, Jack
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If you please, don't back up the track
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I wouldn't give foie gras to a screaming, hungry 5 year old

Let's not reductio ad absurdum here, although I know it's a hobby for some who post here. If you went out and polled people "should beer be classed as food" you'd get the same reaction to a certain political party that tried to argue ketsup was a vegetable in school lunches.

sandblaster-

i got a 40inch LCD HD TV for $600 which in your argument we'd spend every few years.

what its done, for real, has expanded my horizons to watching things on HD Theater and HDNET like Sunrises over iced fjords and hummingbirds feeding at the equator at 10,000 feet.

wild stuff.

and my tv programming has taught my 2 year old daughter some basic spanish as well as chinese. pretty amazing.

and no, i dont think you can get that stuff for free OTA.

come on dude - your clothes, your furniture, your dishware among others are all cheaper and i know you use those right?

I thought college mornings were warm beer, cold pizza.

ipodius writes:
OMG Bosch! LOL, that's horrible!

Yer welcome. Wink

Incidentally, according to my calculations, you can still make sippin' liquer for about $.75 a quart. ("Sippin'" because without careful preperation, any more than a few sips will blow the top of your skull clear into the next room.)

all we make is for personal consumption. we sell equipment/ingredients so others may do the same.

good times. gotta roll out but thanks for the early morning jousting. wish i had more time to spend online these days. see ya

("Sippin'" because without careful preperation, any more than a few sips will blow the top of your skull clear into the next room.)

Bosch, when I was in college I had friends at WVU that gave me my first "sippin' jar". As I put the mason jar to my lips, this woman put her hand over the top, looked me straight in the eyes and said "now SIP it, y'all, right?". After that first sip I knew why...it also is great for getting rust off a bumper, or old paint off a door.

matty

Mrs.B is a hopsophile. What brand are you making? (It's not spamming if we solicit your input.)

I've been feeling the CPI inflation for quite a while now. Almost all of my monthy non-discretionary bills have increased significantly (gas, insurance, property taxes, food, utils, tuition). Clothing has not risen. Communications remain cheap, but only because I have put in the effort to swap out to better deals.

Inflation is a budget killer.

ipod: besides, we all know (from reading this blog!) that "what most people think" and "what is" can be vastly different.

ipodius writes:
[The average transit bus has 11 people and gets slightly worse energy mileage than the average auto which carries 1.57 persons.]

Oh lord, i knew we were going to get Rob going again...

Please, it's just 'Rob.' Titles aren't necessary.

But in my world Rob, you'd HAVE to take public transportation or I'd tax the crap out of you to enter the city by yourself in a car to cut down on congestion, pollution, etc. So those taxes would more than pay the difference. Also we'd be greener for it.

I'm down with that. Be careful what you wish for however. the likely result would be the flight of jobs and economic activity rather than return of the populace to the cenurbs. There's also the issue of fairness. As soon as you tier the pay structure to benefit people based on their location you've just started redlining. A no-no in this culture.

dc1000 writes:
...its more cost effective for us to have our own personal transportation and not use our collective purchasing power to reduce costs?
...seems to fly in the face of our 'discount for quantity' economy...

It is the POV that benefits from bulk efficiencies. Try ordering a light rail vehicle off the lot for instance. The infrastructure costs for transit accrue only to transit and often at the expense of other modes while the POV can share the "overhead" with service and goods suppliers. There's also the public benefit of roads that keep things like police and fire costs way down relative to what they would cost with fast and near universal access. Do you want the firemen to arrive in 8 minutes or 80?

AB: see my post above.

matty writes:
all we make is for personal consumption. we sell equipment/ingredients so others may do the same.

Oh. [disappointment]

The late F-i-l's hobby appeared to be gearing up for hobbies; buy all the equipment, then move on to a new hobby. Had all the fixings for beermaking, but lacking an interest, I gave them to other relatives. Oh well...

it's not for everyone.

No Ipod, lets;

If I removed the water from beer and baked it I'd have flatbread. If I took ketchup and let it dry up, would I have a tomato?

Much like foie gras I wouldn't recommend a diet soley of beer, but either one would be a heckuva way to go out.

Perhaps it's the white lightning that damaged your logic skills, which is odd for a programmer. Did you design BMW's iDrive system?

Perhaps it's the white lightning that damaged your logic skills, which is odd for a programmer. Did you design BMW's iDrive system?

Damn near spit out my breakfast beer over that one...

by the way, Mrs. Matty is the reigning New England Homebrewer of the year. mmmmm!

Did you design BMW's iDrive system?

Hey! Leave that iDrive alone! I love my iDrive. It's the only system you can have that lets you play with it while you drive. I had the thing down in like under a minute.

Damn near spit out my breakfast beer over that one...

I swallowed my tea bag...these luddites that can't figure out something simple like iDrive. For dog's sake, an iPhone is harder.

matty writes:
by the way, Mrs. Matty is the reigning New England Homebrewer of the year. mmmmm!

Way Kewl, matty!

A long time ago before I decided to hue to the straight and narrow, I tried making beer. Didn't turn out too well. Decided instead to go right to beer-reductions which (despite popular misconceptions) all turned out to be quite drinkable.

I track costs like a hawk. Always have.

Here's some food for thought and free advice:

My biggest expenses year after year are:

Taxes
Interest (and I pay very little)
Inflation
Insurance (medical, property, auto, disability, life)

Align your work, savings and investments to minimize the effects of the above.

Matty,

Did people initally make high IBU brews to cover up their lack of brewing skills and then people became accustomed to it, or is it something else?

It seems to me that the folks I know(who microbrew) have started to do more bitters & brown ales(even the odd mild) and no longer try high hop beers beyond their seasonals.

alec: that's because of the shortage.

o this was well before that, I'm talking of microbrewers, not homies

alec: I believe that came as part of the response to taste-free megabrews.

matty writes:
alec: I believe that came as part of the response to taste-free megabrews.

And Bud is made from rice! There's gonna be some sticker shock in the suds aisle real soon now.

ipod, alec, 12th, dawg: what fun! I originally came here as an econ noob who didn't know Ambac from CRE. Still am. I've learned much lurking here, and am glad to be able to add my 3.5 cents (inflation), such as it is, to illustrate issues talked about here from my tiny portion of the economy. To hijack (an albeit dead) CR Thread: Priceless!
Thanks to CR and Tanta (I read the long posts) for everything!

gotta do real work now. peace.

"I wonder how much record studying TPG did?"
-Justin regarding the WaMu deal

Justin, they don't need to study.

All they need is access to the Discount Window. Didn't you read the memo?

Impossible! No recessions... not now... not ever... nooooo....

The horror! A few hundred billion of handouts from the Fed TAFfy window might fix all this. Financial irresponsibility got us into this mess, so surely it can get us out, right?

I am seeing more and more sales, coupons, and other things in the mail and on TV that all say, "Please, PLEASE - buy SOMETHING..." Too bad the consumer is tapped out and drowning in debt.

A couple of comments:

1) Reducing consumption will not lower prices. First, expecting people to just stop eating or driving won't work. It's one thing to talk about drinking less beer, but quite another to talk about starving people eating less to keep food costs down. If everyone ate a bit less or drove a bit less it really wouldn't have that much effect because of hoarding and speculation, which leads me to point 2...

2) Speculation and hoarding is a part of inflation. One can say they are different things, but they are interlinked: as money becomes worthless (the dollar), people try to horde real assets. Or, as money floods the system, people will spend that money hording real assets. Finally, there are just the "rich jerk" types who really don't mind playing with the world's food supply as their own private little game/get rich quick scheme provided they make a lot of money off it. If people starve, well, tough - they should have started their own hedge fund. That's the attitude of these shmucks that run the show.

An end to easy money is the only way to stop this lunacy; otherwise, we'll end up with $10 loaves of bread with some clown with a direct tap to the Fed printing presses still trying to bid the price up higher to make more money.

dc1000: I used to live in Europe, in a city with heavily used rail transit. Taking the rail during peak commute hours would mean to routinely skip 1-3 trains as they were already full (I was living one station before a major interchange). And when I say full I mean the density of a sardine can where it's physically impossible (or merely grossly impolite) to wedge your way in.

The system was maxed out. Similar issues would happen on the bus. You have a bit more flexibility beefing up bus service (but still issues with traffic and schedules being thrown off by congestion), but little chance for rail.

And don't forget the logistical difficulties and safety issues with throngs of people waiting at stations, esp. interchanges. I witnessed several occasions on which access to platforms was restricted because of overfilling.

That's "efficiency" and "economies of scale".

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