ForeclosureRadar reports California's foreclosure crisis is "still deepening" and "accelerating," with a record 42,704 Notices of Default issued in March, an increase of 14% from February levels. Though not all defaults lead to foreclosure, the increase could lead to a record flood of foreclosures hitting the market later this year.
RealtyTrac shows a slightly lower level of NODs in California in March -- 40,761 -- but also shows increased overall pre-foreclosure and foreclosure filings in California -- up 20.6% from February levels and 105% from year-ago level
DOW has crossed over 12,700-12,800, big technical breakout. The bulls are in charge for the next 3 months no matter how much complaining we do! Another quarter, more borrowed time.
That cancellation analysis sucks. One would expect that when unit sales are plummeting in the 40-50% range, and mortgages are harder to get, less riff raff are buying homes and the buyers that are dumb enough to buy now have the means to close contracts.
it's kind of a natural law diminishing returns analysis. and inventory is going to balloon as bank foreclosures start to really hit the market - we haven't seen that yet...
In regard to the previous thread and the overvalued home listing and this new story about growth -- the housing bubble seems to never have popped and as amazing as it may be, the return of the bubble is probably very near.
The interesting thing is the lotto/casino mentality where people want that 300% increases and demand the need to trade up, i.e, the greed-linked drive fuels stocks and houses and debt doesnt matter anywhere in the food chain.
The babyboomers probably neverreallyc lost much in the last year and wallstreet is being bailed out. The Fed and SEC are turning a blind eye to everything and with stocks up almost 10% since the Bear/JPM bail out, is it any wonder that the construction boom is ready to explode! In this environment all bad news is good and there is a rush to confess and write down as much as possible and book it as a mechanism for future growth; it's insane and like dotcom valuations, but this is a world run by nepotism, corruption, collusion and as with Pottersville, let the fun continue!
Re: The March numbers show that overall foreclosure activity so far this year continues to run nearly 60 percent above the levels we saw last year," said James Saccacio, chief executive officer of RealtyTrac. "On a year-over-year basis, default notices were up nearly 57 percent and bank repossessions were up nearly 129 percent, but auction notices were up only 32 percent, indicating that more defaulting homeowners are simply walking away and deeding their properties back to the foreclosing lender. This deed-in-lieu-of-foreclosure process allows the lender to take possession of a property without putting it up for public foreclosure auction."
If the Realtors measured the same way, you would be reading their pending sales index.
In NorCal, builders starts waaay down, maybe 60% YOY... finally. Some nationals won't start now until closings, even if a house is under contract to build, won't start it if inventory is too high. I guess the public home builders discovered that 10 of them couldn't each hold 15% market shares without holding some inventory. It's the math stupid!
Resales stats show almost 50% of REOs under contract, or at least about a 2 month supply, short sales are confusing the market with a ton of inventory, but nobody will play. Clean deals (properties with equity) are actually holding their own at about 6 months inventory in many submarkets. Forget the closing stats, a huge spike in "pendings" has developed...
I think people will feel things are getting better and buy in. Adds more fuel to the double dip theory, since we will end up with a mild recovery for the second half of the year from those who can afford it (for now) and then an even bigger decline later on when oops, they can't really afford it....
The Powers That Be really need things to appear to be ok through November. After that they can let it all go to hell for whoever is elected to take the blame.
Let me clarify my previous comment. Census says: In the long run, cancellations do not cause the survey to overestimate or underestimate sales.
So in any given time increment, I see why CR's point is correct. I was thinking in the long run, which is apparently how Census justifies this particular method.
Of course, in the long run, we're all going to be swallowed by a black hole-strangelet created by the physicists at CERN. Or something.
Slowing cancellation rates make complete logical sense. The build rate is down, sales rate is down, and mortgages harder to get. Anyone who is in the market for a new house now, is honestly in the market and fully qualified.
CR is spot on here and I can't see where this points to anything but just normal reaction to market conditions. I'd be shocked if the cancellation rate didn't drop significantly soon.
And contrary to popular belief, RE is still selling, even in bubble areas (two people I know are having their best years ever). The people who are buying have their own reasons for doing so, but the difference is that, now, buyers are more qualified and have the funds. The segment that was buying in the "no money down, take an exotic lean and let's refi" crowd are gone gone gone.
agrees....except with the no money down analysis...you should include those that put 10% down...looking back, i'm not entirely sure they could afford the mortgage either
My view of the chart is on a seasonal basis. Each Qtr 1 has been approx. equal to or higher than the previous Qtr 1. Same holds true for Qtr 2 - Qtr 4. I'm not sure if seasonality applies to cancellations but an argument could be made that contracts signed in the spring of a given year aren't recognized as cancelled until 3rd or 4th quarter, hence the seasonality. Just my 2 cents.
agrees....except with the no money down analysis...you should include those that put 10% down...looking back, i'm not entirely sure they could afford the mortgage either
I agree. However, I understand the technical precision with which CR is writing. The 'new home' inventory should now be decreasing. The builders are building far fewer spec homes. They are starting to clear out the homes they were left holding due to cancellations.
But as we all know, its going to take years to clear out this inventory. The fact the government is trying to 'save the economy' by implimenting policies that keep home construction elevated... is only going to prolong the pain. (Law of unintended consequences.) None of us can tell that to CR... its already been blogged here!
I don't see how a cancellation rate is very meaningful except to homebuilder bottom lines. The actual number of sales and cancellations is what effects inventory. I would expect that even at a 50% cancellation rate, the total number being built is so much lower that we would still have a much lower number of total cancellations.
Nonetheless, the homebuilders have a more pain in front of them. They cannot all justify their market caps based on the level of sales they will be making over the next few years.
We're on the same page. CR's post is the most positive thing I've seen in a while. Even though there's probably much more pain to come, at the very least, its a start.
Well Portland, I don't think it is positive per se, just a natural result of the forces at work. The people that would have contracted for a new house and not fully qualified, or doing it for investment have been forcibly shaken out of the market. In this case I think it is pure attrition.
The only positive I can see is that the builders have begun building less, thereby letting inventory decrease so that pricing has a better chance to stabilize.
Cool. Having to put down 20% or be truly credit worthy is a good sign from now on.
I've seen asset pledges as of late. If you come in with less, you must pledge assets as liquidate-able in cases of default. (Even on purchase loans) Maybe Recourse will enhance borrower credibility / investor confidence.
The good news is cancellations appear to have peaked,...
Why is this "good news" to you? Do you have a personal stake in some of the builders? Or do you mean that from the perspective of the builders, or at least NVR, it's good news? You are not the only blogger who phrases things this way. Personally, I could not care less what happens to builders -- e.g. what their cancellation rates are. Well, actually, TBH I'd like to see cancellation rates remain high, making it more likely that some of them will go bust. After seeing how industrial homebuilding absolutely ravages open space, especially in California, I want to see a stake driven through its heart. Huge sprawling tracts of cookie cutter homes. Hideous sprawl. No public transit infrastructure in sight, or seemingly ever even considered. Completely unsustainable. Good effing riddance.
The cancellation rate is a totally meaningless piece of data, without reference to the magnitude of the orders and quality of the buyers.
For instance, if the number of contracts is only 1/2 of what it was last quarter, in todays environment those buyers are probably much more qualified and desiring of the home than previous buyers that just wanted a home because someone told them they could get a loan and it would appreciate in value.
Of course the cancellations should decrease as the credit tightens and prices drop, Thats only common sense, certainly not good news as it might appear to be spun.
You missed a third reason.
A greater mix of the sales are spec inventory liquidation that rarely cancel.
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California foreclosure crisis 'still deepening'
California foreclosure crisis 'still deepening' | L.A. Land | Los Angeles Times
ForeclosureRadar reports California's foreclosure crisis is "still deepening" and "accelerating," with a record 42,704 Notices of Default issued in March, an increase of 14% from February levels. Though not all defaults lead to foreclosure, the increase could lead to a record flood of foreclosures hitting the market later this year.
RealtyTrac shows a slightly lower level of NODs in California in March -- 40,761 -- but also shows increased overall pre-foreclosure and foreclosure filings in California -- up 20.6% from February levels and 105% from year-ago level
DOW has crossed over 12,700-12,800, big technical breakout. The bulls are in charge for the next 3 months no matter how much complaining we do! Another quarter, more borrowed time.
Man, if you think some of these new homes are 'understated', you haven't been inside them. Egad.
But seriously, instead of saying:
This improvement in cancellation rates (if it continues) means that the Census Bureau will understate sales
Shouldn't that read "overstate sales by less"? Or am I misunderstanding?
what is the evidence the cancellation rate has peaked? Q1 2008 > Q1 (2007-2006-2005)
let us see what the whole year will look like, at the very least until Q1 2009.
That cancellation analysis sucks. One would expect that when unit sales are plummeting in the 40-50% range, and mortgages are harder to get, less riff raff are buying homes and the buyers that are dumb enough to buy now have the means to close contracts.
it's kind of a natural law diminishing returns analysis. and inventory is going to balloon as bank foreclosures start to really hit the market - we haven't seen that yet...
In regard to the previous thread and the overvalued home listing and this new story about growth -- the housing bubble seems to never have popped and as amazing as it may be, the return of the bubble is probably very near.
The interesting thing is the lotto/casino mentality where people want that 300% increases and demand the need to trade up, i.e, the greed-linked drive fuels stocks and houses and debt doesnt matter anywhere in the food chain.
The babyboomers probably neverreallyc lost much in the last year and wallstreet is being bailed out. The Fed and SEC are turning a blind eye to everything and with stocks up almost 10% since the Bear/JPM bail out, is it any wonder that the construction boom is ready to explode! In this environment all bad news is good and there is a rush to confess and write down as much as possible and book it as a mechanism for future growth; it's insane and like dotcom valuations, but this is a world run by nepotism, corruption, collusion and as with Pottersville, let the fun continue!
Re: The March numbers show that overall foreclosure activity so far this year continues to run nearly 60 percent above the levels we saw last year," said James Saccacio, chief executive officer of RealtyTrac. "On a year-over-year basis, default notices were up nearly 57 percent and bank repossessions were up nearly 129 percent, but auction notices were up only 32 percent, indicating that more defaulting homeowners are simply walking away and deeding their properties back to the foreclosing lender. This deed-in-lieu-of-foreclosure process allows the lender to take possession of a property without putting it up for public foreclosure auction."
If the Realtors measured the same way, you would be reading their pending sales index.
In NorCal, builders starts waaay down, maybe 60% YOY... finally. Some nationals won't start now until closings, even if a house is under contract to build, won't start it if inventory is too high. I guess the public home builders discovered that 10 of them couldn't each hold 15% market shares without holding some inventory. It's the math stupid!
Resales stats show almost 50% of REOs under contract, or at least about a 2 month supply, short sales are confusing the market with a ton of inventory, but nobody will play. Clean deals (properties with equity) are actually holding their own at about 6 months inventory in many submarkets. Forget the closing stats, a huge spike in "pendings" has developed...
I think people will feel things are getting better and buy in. Adds more fuel to the double dip theory, since we will end up with a mild recovery for the second half of the year from those who can afford it (for now) and then an even bigger decline later on when oops, they can't really afford it....
The Powers That Be really need things to appear to be ok through November. After that they can let it all go to hell for whoever is elected to take the blame.
Let me clarify my previous comment. Census says: In the long run, cancellations do not cause the survey to overestimate or underestimate sales.
So in any given time increment, I see why CR's point is correct. I was thinking in the long run, which is apparently how Census justifies this particular method.
Of course, in the long run, we're all going to be swallowed by a black hole-strangelet created by the physicists at CERN. Or something.
Slowing cancellation rates make complete logical sense. The build rate is down, sales rate is down, and mortgages harder to get. Anyone who is in the market for a new house now, is honestly in the market and fully qualified.
CR is spot on here and I can't see where this points to anything but just normal reaction to market conditions. I'd be shocked if the cancellation rate didn't drop significantly soon.
And contrary to popular belief, RE is still selling, even in bubble areas (two people I know are having their best years ever). The people who are buying have their own reasons for doing so, but the difference is that, now, buyers are more qualified and have the funds. The segment that was buying in the "no money down, take an exotic lean and let's refi" crowd are gone gone gone.
ipodius,
agrees....except with the no money down analysis...you should include those that put 10% down...looking back, i'm not entirely sure they could afford the mortgage either
My view of the chart is on a seasonal basis. Each Qtr 1 has been approx. equal to or higher than the previous Qtr 1. Same holds true for Qtr 2 - Qtr 4. I'm not sure if seasonality applies to cancellations but an argument could be made that contracts signed in the spring of a given year aren't recognized as cancelled until 3rd or 4th quarter, hence the seasonality. Just my 2 cents.
-Vert
Just as a follow-on to my point above if the chart is viewed seasonally it may be premature to state that a decline in cancellations has started.
Portland Refugee writes:
ipodius,
agrees....except with the no money down analysis...you should include those that put 10% down...looking back, i'm not entirely sure they could afford the mortgage either
I agree. However, I understand the technical precision with which CR is writing. The 'new home' inventory should now be decreasing. The builders are building far fewer spec homes. They are starting to clear out the homes they were left holding due to cancellations.
But as we all know, its going to take years to clear out this inventory. The fact the government is trying to 'save the economy' by implimenting policies that keep home construction elevated... is only going to prolong the pain. (Law of unintended consequences.) None of us can tell that to CR... its already been blogged here!
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Neil
I don't see how a cancellation rate is very meaningful except to homebuilder bottom lines. The actual number of sales and cancellations is what effects inventory. I would expect that even at a 50% cancellation rate, the total number being built is so much lower that we would still have a much lower number of total cancellations.
Nonetheless, the homebuilders have a more pain in front of them. They cannot all justify their market caps based on the level of sales they will be making over the next few years.
The bulls will keep partying until there are actually starving people beating down their doors. This is news?
Neil,
We're on the same page. CR's post is the most positive thing I've seen in a while. Even though there's probably much more pain to come, at the very least, its a start.
Well Portland, I don't think it is positive per se, just a natural result of the forces at work. The people that would have contracted for a new house and not fully qualified, or doing it for investment have been forcibly shaken out of the market. In this case I think it is pure attrition.
The only positive I can see is that the builders have begun building less, thereby letting inventory decrease so that pricing has a better chance to stabilize.
iPodius,
Cool. Having to put down 20% or be truly credit worthy is a good sign from now on.
I've seen asset pledges as of late. If you come in with less, you must pledge assets as liquidate-able in cases of default. (Even on purchase loans) Maybe Recourse will enhance borrower credibility / investor confidence.
The good news is cancellations appear to have peaked,...
Why is this "good news" to you? Do you have a personal stake in some of the builders? Or do you mean that from the perspective of the builders, or at least NVR, it's good news? You are not the only blogger who phrases things this way. Personally, I could not care less what happens to builders -- e.g. what their cancellation rates are. Well, actually, TBH I'd like to see cancellation rates remain high, making it more likely that some of them will go bust. After seeing how industrial homebuilding absolutely ravages open space, especially in California, I want to see a stake driven through its heart. Huge sprawling tracts of cookie cutter homes. Hideous sprawl. No public transit infrastructure in sight, or seemingly ever even considered. Completely unsustainable. Good effing riddance.
The cancellation rate is a totally meaningless piece of data, without reference to the magnitude of the orders and quality of the buyers.
For instance, if the number of contracts is only 1/2 of what it was last quarter, in todays environment those buyers are probably much more qualified and desiring of the home than previous buyers that just wanted a home because someone told them they could get a loan and it would appreciate in value.
Of course the cancellations should decrease as the credit tightens and prices drop, Thats only common sense, certainly not good news as it might appear to be spun.
Could not have said it better myself:
Corporate Crap House Builders should all die a slow painful death. They rape the land and destroy beautiful rural communities.