Interesting.

Okay... I missed out the comments in the "website redesign" thread a while back, so let me just suggest it here: I think it would be interesting to see some polls.

Such as whether CR readers think we're in a recession and how many quarters it will last.

Or some multiple choice... like: Fill in the blank-

We're all _____ now:

(a) Greenspanians
(b) Bagholders
(c) BSC investors
(d) porcine cosmetic engineers
(e) helicopter pilots

Any takers?

The data clearly shows prices are headed down.

The trick may be how many will overlook the trends in actual data, such as what is shown here:
http://www.viewfromsiliconvalley.com/id410.html

Thanks!

Mortgage insurance is as useful as a car without wheels.

On topic-

Since we are talking recession, it is hitting UK, Spain. If the Chinese
cannot sell to US,UK,EU, Who are they gonna sell to? I just do not see
decoupling and higher oil prices based on fundamentals. Something does not add-up.

Oh and GNW, are they not in the same business as ABK,MBIA?

Sorta OT: Hey CR, what do you make of this analysis-- subprime losses perhaps much less than anticipated? (Reuters/HedgeWorld Reg. Required so cut-and-pasting the whole thing).

NEW YORK (HedgeWorld.com)—An analyst blogging on the web site bankstock.com offered a surprisingly low estimate Tuesday [April 22] of the cumulative losses from the subprime mortgage debacle.
The analyst, Thomas K. Brown, chief executive of hedge fund Second Curve Capital LLC, disclosed that his fund "buys and sells securities that are the subject of his articles."

Mr. Brown said his method is to look at the credit performance of the $120 billion worth of bonds that make up the ABX subprime mortgage indexes—in particular, those indexes created in 2006, when what he calls the "lending looniness" was at its height.

Of the $600 billion or so subprime mortgages originated in 2006, he wrote, extrapolating from the ABX, $282 billion have already been repaid and $306 billion are outstanding, so realized losses in this group come to just $12 billion. He considers this $12 billion figure to be reassuringly small, saying, "Pardon me for a moment while I'm non-hysterical."

The ABX isn't dispositive of course, but Mr. Brown makes this case for extrapolating from it: "On the one hand, the bonds were hand-picked to represent the market over-all; they should behave the same way the market does. On the other, they constitute a small enough universe that an analyst trying to glean future credit performance can take into account details such as loan-to-value ratios and loan originator."

Of the $306 billion outstanding, $100 billion is delinquent by 60 days or more. Here it is necessary to make some historically plausible assumptions. If 93% of those delinquent accounts go into foreclosure, and the loss severity that results is 45%, we get an estimated loss from past-due 2006 outstanding balances of $42 billion.

With some further guesstimation Mr. Brown suggests that there will be $23 billion of losses on the mortgages that are not now delinquent. Adding the three loss figures together results in a cumulative realized loss, 2006 vintage, of $77 billion. That's a total loss rate (on the original $600 billion) of 12.8%.

By contrast, the loss estimate that's embedded in the price of the ABX itself is significantly higher, at 18%. The real bears, the "Charlie Gasparino/Bill Ackman/George Soros Axis of Doom, meanwhile, surely has a number in mind that is much, much higher," he says. And he thinks they're bound to be disappointed.

CFaille@HedgeWorld.com

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The regulator of the Federal Home Loan Bank of Chicago has denied requests by shareholders that have terminated their memberships in the institution to redeem their stock

FHLB Chicago stock redemption request denied
| Reuters

Trapped like rats the greedy bastards serves them right.

Good summary CR. did you get any numbers as far as size of portfolio? Also when did GE spin this off and does Ge still own any of it?

Looks like we just shot a missle at Iran.

Oil surging.

A mortgage insurer admitting that there's a significant chance that they could be bankrupted attempting to make good on claims.

This is bad.

Do I detect a whiff of panic?

Stimulus-Payments-to-Go-Out-Ahead-of-Schedule: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

Stimulus Payments to Go Out Ahead of Schedule
by Catherine Clifford
Friday, April 25, 2008

The federal government, eager to...

crispy,

Any link/source on that?

TIA

econ - It was on Yahoo Finance.

Oil prices jump on report US ship fired on Iranian vessel

NEW YORK (AP) -- Oil prices rose sharply Friday on news reports that a ship under contract to the U.S. Navy fired warning shots at two Iranian boats.premature accumulation -- or trying to catch a falling knife.''

[snip]

TY found a ref

err make that

Oil prices jump on report US ship fired on Iranian vessel

NEW YORK (AP) -- Oil prices rose sharply Friday on news reports that a ship under contract to the U.S. Navy fired warning shots at two Iranian boats.

[snip]

Looks like we just shot a missle at Iran.

What am I listening to CNBC? We didn't fire a missle at Iran, a ship contracted to the Navy fired on two Iranian boats. Good lord, you should never again comment on crappy reporting, crsipy, as this is a prime example. Leave out the pertinent details. Jeez.

Regarding your previous post, I've been arguing against perfect storms for a while now (see Additional Word/Language section).

Speculatively could be some relatively low cost red meat for the domestic Iranian political scene...as well as oil bulls.

Iranians vote in parliamentary run-offs
By NASSER KARIMI, Associated Press Writer
Fri Apr 25, 7:41 AM ET

TEHRAN, Iran - Iranians voted Friday in parliamentary run-off elections expected to leave conservatives firmly in control because most reformist candidates were barred from running.

At stake are 82 of the 290 seats in parliament, including 11 representing the capital, Tehran.

[snip]

BusinessTime, I haven't worked through the numbers myself, but I'd lean towards the high side on those estimates. It's the later vintages of subprime loans (2005 to 2007) where many of the borrowers are already underwater. Give it a little more time - and those earlier vintages will mostly be underwater too.

Best to all.

In a minor defense of crispy - George Bush and Dick Cheney are still in control...

I saw the headline at marketwatch.com

UGH!

What is the difference between Iran boats and Iran?

If they fired on our boats, the US would state they fired on the USA.

thanks crispy,

That gives me a better perspective.

--
A loooooooong ways to go...

David Rosenberg; 04/25/08:

“Precipitous [New Home] price drop fails to elicit any pickup in sales -- It is clear to us from yesterday’s new home sales report that the residential housing market is nowhere close to the bottom. In spite of much lower prices, sales failed to pick up and the inventory situation worsened. Moreover, sales are running significantly below the pace of housing starts, which reinforces our view that starts have to fall further before the inventory situation will be addressed in any meaningful way.”

I am forecasting that New SFH Sales would fall to 200-300K annual rate and housing starts (all types) and permits will fall below 0.5M.

Jas

My perspective is:

It's not the Greenspan's fault;
It's not Bernanke's fault;
It's not the Hedge funds' fault;
It's not Bear Stearns fault;
It's not the mortgage brokers' fault;
Not the banks, cdo's, siv's, ninja loans, NAR, etc.

This is purely Carlton Sheets fault and his blasted late night "no money down" real estate courses in the mid to late nineties. Funny how he's been keeping his head low lately...

crispy,

Think it was the missile ref - warning shots are typically not missiles - tossing some lead usually.

Take a chill pill ipodius, fog of war and all that! Wink

Jas,
Hockey stick for new home sales b/c of the vast oversupply. Most construction workers (and construction dependent businesses) tapped out and insolvent after CRE construction falls of a cliff. Little reason for optimism over the next 3 years. It's going to be brutal. I'm not happy about it, b/c it will hurt many of my friends. Ruin marriages. Affect kids. Etc...

I'm actually more interested in seeing if there will be rioting now that the Bell shooters have been acquitted. Poeple are so pissed right now, all it will take it a spark in the right place and were back to race riots.

I have long said that there will not be a bottom until a city has burned.

President George W. Bush said on Friday the U.S. economy is in a slowdown but tax rebates that will start hitting consumers' bank accounts next week should help.

Bush: Economy in slowdown, checks on the way
| Reuters

Make sure you buy a couple tanks of gas his oil buddies need the money.

trail said: "Do I detect a whiff of panic?"

I can just hear the bears caterwalling now: "But I don't want that money direct-deposited to my bank account, when the run starts I won't be able to draw it out!"

Sebastia

"But I don't want my tax dollars to further inflate the budget deficit and then just go to China and Saudia Arabia anyway."

What is the difference between Iran boats and Iran?

If they fired on our boats, the US would state they fired on the USA.

And the US would go a little further, like: They have WMDs!

You guys ever see that MADtv video with Steve Jobs and the iRack. Its hilarious.

sdtfs- If there boats were 100 miles off our coastline and they fired at our boats I wonder how pissed of we would be? We have become the world bully...

Sebastian

If you think the stimulus is good for a country with almost a 10 TRILLION dollar budget deficit you are one stupid bastard.

OooooKay, so let's get comfortable in this rapidly accelerating and warming hand-basket. Pull up a chair! What's that written on it? Laz-E-Boy-TNT, top of the line model.

moods just generally ugly on all sorts of fronts. But, it's all OK because "The Check's in the Mail." Buy some rice to go with the plasma TV. (Or, start selling some regular plasma to buy rice - same diff.) I mean, does this administration really really really have to do all The Daily Show's work for them?

Sebastian is a paid shill...

no one would waste their time posting as frequently as he does here if they invested the way he does.

"Head in the Sand Investing for Dummies"

by Sebastian Shill

Keep the propaganda machine a pumpin!

Smile

Scav - I like it! Especially the plasma sales part.

Seriously though, Seb, don't you think this business about the new computer system that makes it possible for the checks to go out early sounds like a smokescreen? I've heard a lot of anecdotal comments about a marked downturn in late March/early April, and I wonder it the administration is looking at some unreleased data and starting to get panicky. I expect that the White House denizens are praying real hard at this point that their faith based initiative is enough to turn around the economy.

Help me out here.

What is a "ship under contract to the U.S. Navy"? And an armed one at that.

Does the US now issue Letters of Marque? Does the US now hire Privateers?

You hadn't heard? The whole armed forces have been privatized. It's part of the faith based initiative to reduce the size of government, bring back accountability and play to the strengths of the capitalist system. This has been going on for 8 years for crissakes! Get with the program, Ethan.

I am in Chicago and one of my clients owns a regional retail company and his words were:

Jan/Feb were better YOY than 2007
March is scaring us

and just this week it was:

Retail is bad, I see more stores closing. Our goal for 2008 is to break even and move on to better times.

Contacts in Private Equity and industrial sector echo that they noticed march deterioration and that 2008 will be "ok" but 2009 is projected to be a huge "mess."

Smile

Ethan | 04.25.08 - 1:03 pm |
The US Navy contracts with several Firms to handle Cargo and Medical ships the Firms own the ships in most cases and get to carry armament to protect themselves.

Ethan writes:
Help me out here.

What is a "ship under contract to the U.S. Navy"? And an armed one at that.

Mercenaries.

Hope that helps! Smile

trail said: "Seriously though, Seb, don't you think this business about the new computer system that makes it possible for the checks to go out early sounds like a smokescreen? I've heard a lot of anecdotal comments about a marked downturn in late March/early April, and I wonder it the administration is looking at some unreleased data and starting to get panicky."

When was the last time this Administration made a sound, cool-headed, closely-reasoned policy response to an important issue, even though they supposedly had access to the ultimate in "inside" information?Smile

I have no doubt they are panicky, but it's an unreasoning panic and we should be aggressively taking advantage of it, buying good stocks and buying well-located houses.

Sebastia

Thanks Mangelo.

I was aware of the contracted cargo ship issue; I just didn't know that they were armed.

I have been concerned about the US arming people who aren't in uniform and aren't strictly in the military chain of command. I also sort of doubt that folks of that type are entitled to the Geneva Convention even if they carry thier arms openly. The problem, of course, is that some cowboy not subject to military discipline/command might do something to get us all in deep international trouble. Sort of like you-know-who did.

Has anyone seen anything further about what this ship/incident was?

Good point, Seb. And I agree that there are always some bargains out there, sometimes more than others.

I hope all of you will check out the video of GW stimulating the nation! He is not just commander in chief,but also fluffer in chief! Bill o'reilly got so excited he bought two loofahs,and anne coulter!,well this is a family blog...so i'll leave it to your imagination.

If they fired on our boats, the US would state they fired on the USA.

As I read the report, no one "fired on" the Iranian boats.

They fired warning shots. There is a very, very great difference.

Note also that the western Indian Ocean and the Red Sea have seen a lot of serious piracy in recent years (the eastern Indian Ocean, too), and it would be utterly foolhardy to sail an unarmed ship laden with armaments through the area.

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