Is anyone else watching the Financial Entertainment Networks? The news wasn't as bad as expected so that means it is good news. Sad.

The graph starts in 2001. It doesn't show anything in July 2000.

The news is better than expected, but still bad.

Yal, That is bad news indeed. There goes the last govt fiscal watchdog. I wonder where the pressure came from to push Walker out? Probably all sides.

there's really not too much to say ... another lousy report that doesn't really surprise anyone. I think things will really start to get interesting during the summer when it becomes evident that the spring selling season was yet another bust and home price declines are really going into uncharted territory (on a national basis).

But real estate only go up! It's an historical fact.

Wanna' buy a house?

This doesnt include homeowners that have taken their homes of the market to try to put it back on in the spring because it wouldnt sell. Much further to go.

Yal, That is bad news indeed. There goes the last govt fiscal watchdog. I wonder where the pressure came from to push Walker out? Probably all sides.

At least he didn't leave the country. That, to me, would be the ultimate sell signal.

Sounds like walker still plans good work in his next job. (A place where he will be appreciated more). But he did have more clout being a gov't official.

Love how sales "slipped" 0.4 percent from December, and "are" 23.4 below last January.

How about a more active verb? Like collapsed. Nosedived. Cliff-dived. Plunged. Plummeted. Flamed out. Imploded. Self-annihilated.

Maybe "crashed into a fireball, scattering the smoking wreckage of a dying industry and the twisted hulk of the NAR talking point agenda."

C'mon, Yun's language is usually so creative.

My guess is that there are probably at least half a million homes not on the market that the ownwers would like to sell. They are being rented at a loss, they should be in foreclosure, but the banks haven't acted yet, etc...
That would put inventory at over a year.

Housing holds households. In 2001 there were 105 million households. In 2007 there were 127 million. house sales household adjusted is the proper way to compare data separated by this much time.

house sales household adjusted is the proper way to compare data separated by this much time.

A good benchmark but not definitive. For instance, household creation is partly a function of home prices and sales. Good to see both numbers, I'd think.

In my town in NNJ, the realtor's have listings that are on their websites, but not on the MLS.

Realtor's also have "unofficial" listings - home owners that have taken their houses off the market, but would entertain offers.

MarketWatch headline: "Home sales encourage bulls"

Pardon me? Delusion?

What will happen if Buffett dies? Will there be telepathic rumors via Charie Gasperino that Buffett will be buying failing companies from heaven (or HELL)?

Or.... Will the stock markets go to ZERO?

David Lereah...er..L. Yun, chief economist for the Realtors, said said he believed the housing market may be on the verge of bottoming out with a rebound expected to start toward the end of this year. He was quoted as saying "Subprime loans and other risky mortgage products have virtually disappeared from the marketplace, and over the past five months, this has been reflected in soft but fairly stable home sales." Oh yeah? How are sales going to rebound with financing that's not there since transactions were artificially boosted by a 20% Alt-A/Subprime share that ain't comin back anytime soon...

Rob Dawg,

You've picked up some bad stats somewhere. Number of households in 2007 was 110,306,000, vs. (nominally) 107,009,000 in 2001. To be sure, in 2002 Census revised its stat downwards more than 3.5 million, from 108,538,000 to 104,966,000, implying that by the current estimation method the 2001 number would have been around 103.5 million, the growth is still much less than by your numbers.

BTW, I'm pretty sure that these numbers factor in Census' best estimate of illegal immigrants -- i.e., that they try to measure reality.

Table 15. Household Estimates for the United States, by Age of Householder, by Family Status: 1982 to present 

one of those bars is my house.

One thing to note is that the revision to December was upward. That may be the result of bad reporting during the holidays, but I don't recall the last upward revision to this figure.

Something tells me I will have a good pick of housing stock in the spring of 2009 when I go house shopping.

Yeah, yeah, renting can be better but after 15 years of renting I want my own damn place with no landlords. Other than the bank.

If you read nothing else today, follow this link and start with the third paragraph ("But he spoke . . .") . . . Set in 1929. Highly recommend the book.

You can't go home again - Google Books

God damn, but it's resonant of today.

What edhopper said and half a million seems to be the appropriate level of accuracy for these numbers. Hard to believe that NAR would revise Dec numbers up...how often does this industry run stats producer pump out news that erodes their sales?
I'm getting the feel of this thing now: the declining rate of change of house prices and the rate of sales as a non-linear co-dependent anxiety driven function interceded by government actions designed to slow the house depreciation ...and the stampede (that even Marketwatch's blurb seems to countenance, yes?)

Was talking a a realtor at a church function yesterday and she said, briefly, "Nothing's moving."

And this is in a desirable area (Central California Coast) where supposedly the wealthy are still willing to shell out for what they want -- I thought so, anyway.

She said she had one new client who was looking in the $5 million range; but that his list of requirements would be hard to fulfill for that price. I guess even the rich are bargain-hunting now.

In the meantime, she's keeping busy as a rental agent. People still rent houses.

I don't believe the real estate figures at all. In my neighborhood in N. LA County nothing is selling. There are 2 foreclosures and 2 empty and for rent houses that were formerly for sale. Out of about 20 houses that have been for sale over the past year I know of only 1 that has sold.

How can sales possibly only be down 3 or 4%?

In El Dorado Hills, east of Sacramento, it appears some properties are moving - REO at 2003 price levels. A house in my neighborhood is priced at $600k down from $689k, and will sell for less. Realtor says "Must sell" (but it's not REO). First sold as new 7/02 for $469k. The initial reset of values has started.

Gary thanks for posting my all time favorite novel. Must read again...

ISTM that sales are likely to stabilize before inventory.

BottomCalling:

Bottom? Oh, Bottom? Are you down there, somewhere?

Is there a way to produce cold, chilling echo effects on Haloscan?

Joe

Strange... it's almost as if the high cost of housing is impeding sales... Nah, couldn't be!

over 20 months inventory in jax, fl

but if you look at us median home prices for 2007 to 2008, it's down yoy by 5%, but from jan-jun07 it went UP 8.6% then collapsed 9.6% from jul07-jan08...what's the cause of this is that seasonal? i.e. kids are out of school, time to sell the house and move? or are there generally higher value homes on sale during late spring/summer months? any ideas?

thanks for posting my all time favorite novel. Must read again...

Me too. Haven't read Wolfe since was about 18. That excerpt about what happens to Asheville NC after 1929 is pretty chilling.

One of Yun's deputies used the kind of colorful prose you're looking for on the radio today. I believe he used the phrase "skipping along the bottom", and it's just a matter of time before buyers jump back in and the market turns.

Jaso

Hungry for CR's in depth on the housing stats...

"Inventories are high, so it's not surprising prices are declining," NAR economist Lawrence Yun said.

Home Sales Give Some Relief - WSJ.com

So if people would just stop engaging realtors to list their houses, things would be OK?

Sartorially speaking: as Case-Shiller further diverges from NAR median prices, Emperor Yun's garments will be seen for what they are.

Custom homes are still being built on the OR coast. The rule used to be that homes had to be built w/a 20 year erosion set back, now it's only a ten year setback (even though erosion seems to have gotten worse along some parts of the coast). For several weeks, there was a crane kind of machine digging holes for concrete piers for a new "custom home" on a bluff where there's been significant erosion in the past few years. Have to use the crane thing because it's such an awkward location.

If/when that house is constructed, it will join the 7-10 big new "custom" homes built last year and then there are some condos going up too that were started last year. Another big condo development was finished last year (30-40 condos?)--about 30 feet from the site of the last construction 25 years ago that ended with a geologist losing his license & construction stopping when the foundations started to sink & crack. I heard from someone the current developer has had to drop his prices a bit. Last year he filed an application to change the zoning (or get a conditional use permit) from condo only use to vacation rental (daily/weekly rentals) but met with sufficient neighborhood opposition that he withdrew the application. That just means he'll wait a year or two and, if he hasn't sold everything, he'll go whining to the Planning Commission & City Council about how he hasn't been able to make as much $ as he thinks he should. Amazing to me how the supposedly conservative & business type people on the Commission & Council fall for that kind of crap instead of saying, you wanted to build, therefore you assumed the risk of failure, forget the conditional use permit or zone change. Try lowering your prices. More.

There are some old & beautiful trees where the new SF structure will be, I hope the builder has enough class not to clearcut the site (although that would be unusual)--although clearcutting will just speed up erosion. But then, what does the builder care? As long as he gets paid before ground disappears.

That's just along a 1/2 to 1 mile stretch of the coast. There's more construction going on in one of the really touristy sections of town (residential & commercial).

When erosion starts threatening some of these expensive structures, there'll be huge pressure to change the riprap permit process. No more "if you're dumb enough to build on unconsolidated "rock" on an erosional coastline, then too bad if you lose your house." Too bad, I'd truly enjoy seeing some of the garish, too large houses fall onto the beach & be destroyed by the ocean.

There are expensive houses being built on hills 1/2 mile east of the ocean too. Far as I know, most of them are selling (if they're not custom built). So there's still building & buying going on in this area.

K. Hovnanian has abandoned a SFR development called "Coastline at Pacifica San Juan" in south OC. These were ocean view homes to be priced in the $1M price range. My husband and I went to looky-loo at the models today and found that they were closed. A call to their office confirmed that they are selling the three models and calling it quits.

how often does this industry run stats producer pump out news that erodes their sales?
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