It's magic!

Maybe this is why work outs are becoming more common. The lenders are looking at the insurance drying up as the insurers go BK.

Cheers,

First?

"the Company made a decision to stop writing the portion of its bulk business that insures loans which are included in Wall Street securitizations."

That's like Ford saying its going to stop selling cars. Wait, that already happened, never mind....

I think the FED really panicked today and cut rates along with cutting the cheese. The problem with cutting when you are in a panic is that you can get a nasty surprise!

From Wikipedia on Flatulence:
"Nerve endings in the rectum usually enable individuals to distinguish between flatus and feces, although loose stool can confuse the individual, occasionally resulting in accidental defecation also known as "wet farts", "sharting", "varting", "gambling and losing", "Leaky Pete" or "following through"

Hope the FED has fresh undies for the rest of the week.

So are PMI rates now going through the roof? I would tend to expect this; can anyone confirm?

Also, if securitization is now just about close to dead (comatose, at least) - why aren't mortgage rates going through the roof? Who wants to loan money for 30 years at 5.4%, or are those advertized rates only going to people with 850 FICOs with 0 DTI, 20% down and 6 months of reserves?

JJL, dude, that's just wrong! LOL!

They say polar bears living in the Arctic Circle have no fear, because they have no natural enemies. They just slaughter everything in their path.

I don't know if the Fed had any choice today. But I think they created a slew of polar bears.

I don't see any natural enemy to a big mean bear over the next few months. I don't mean people like us. I mean big, mean, nasty loaded bearish hedge funds.

Everything out there is negative, and getting more so, especially in the U.S. Asian investors are naive and terrified of the U.S. and its news at this point.

The Fed had a big weapon to use against polar bears until today. But now, the bullets are smaller.

I hope they do cut by 50 basis points next week. Because then the polar bears will have no fear at all.

The best investment you can make for the next year is EEV. It's like riding on the polar bear's back.

EEV could go down over the next few weeks. So, pick your spot.

"Also, if securitization is now just about close to dead (comatose, at least) - why aren't mortgage rates going through the roof?"

Damn good question. Me thinks the GSE's have something to do with this. Are they inappropriately pricing the risk? How can you have less than 6% mortgages on the way up with a boom AND also on the way down, when the credit risks are obviously much different?!? Inquiring minds want to know...

bofiz,

Here's this"

Mortgage Insurance Rates - PMI Mortgage Insurance Co.

The first chart shows NA for 97% or higher LTV for ARM's.

Interesting...

Cheers,

GSE have no risk because we get to bail them out with taxpayers money.

Americredit posts Surprise loss LOL.

UPDATE 2-AmeriCredit posts surprise Q2 loss, cuts '08 view
| Reuters

Consumer credit is clearly in grim shape.

Darth Toll: That's like Ford saying its going to stop selling cars. Wait, that already happened, never mind....

That's like Ford saying "Ok kids, looks like we're on our way!" as the ramp closes on the giant Xaxisian warship taking Arthur, Fenchurch and himself with it.

Barely,
That Americredit article is hilarious. Expecting a buy out offer because it is trading close to book value?!? Pink ponies with braided ribbons in their tails.

John M,

It's like Zaphod's Jo Janta 2000 Peril Sensitive sunglasses going completely black.

Cheers,

The best investment you can make for the next year is EEV. It's like riding on the polar bear's back.

EEV could go down over the next few weeks. So, pick your spot.

Have you noticed there's no Ultra (long) version of the overseas funds? I find that interesting, and unfortunate because those double long funds can be great shorts if you can get them. The same volatility that can cause the double short funds to under-perform can actually benefit a short position on those double long funds, I've noticed.

I don't know about the rest of you but I'm thinking this might be a good time to spend a year dead for tax purposes. Hotblack Desiato says it beat sundiving.

Mortgages are being priced on the basis of spreads,not risk.Which works fine as long as you can package and sell them.Risk based pricing would be 20% down,33% DTI for 720 plus fico scores,and 12% rates with competent underwriting.

Mortgages are being priced on the basis of spreads,not risk.Which works fine as long as you can package and sell them.

So does that essentially mean that since they can't package and sell them, they're not being offered?

Mortgages are being priced on the basis of spreads,not risk.Which works fine as long as you can package and sell them.

You'll be able to sell any mortgage to the government soon for far more than it's actually worth.

Disclosure: I work at the company in question.

A couple points I'd like to make about the release:

Incurred losses aren't paid losses. They're like initial insurance claims. Claims may not be paid for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is fraud during origination that is uncovered during a claim investigation. There may be recovery of some amounts after an incurred loss in a short sale or REO sale that covers some of the claim. Also, some of the incurred losses are covered by reinsurance. Paid losses are typically less than half the incurred losses.

Paid losses aren't net losses. Revenue (way up!) and other expenses also need to be taken into account.

The company isn't going to go bankrupt anytime soon.

BTW: anyone else notice that those annoying mortgage ads with dancing aliens, people dancing on roofs, etc. are gone now. Something's finally changed in the last few weeks.

The company isn't going to go bankrupt anytime soon.
anonymoose | 01.22.08 - 8:27 pm |

A pumper?

You'll be able to sell any mortgage to the government soon for far more than it's actually worth.

ac: can you ellaborate? Hasn't that already been happening (thus the story today about how fannie and freddie will likely write off $16Billion for the 4th quarter)

anonymoose,

The company isn't going to go bankrupt anytime soon.

Define "soon".

We've only just started to see job losses, and the carnage from mortgage loans is only half-way through. I'm not saying MGIC is destined for BK, but geez, I would start polishing my resume just in case, if I were you.

Bofiz,they are still being offered.The old time risk managers are long gone(Howdy Boys!),and the reality that there is risk has not fully sunk in at headquarters...The People who are good at cleaning up this kind of mess are not welcome in polite company(been there) because they tend to be blunt about saying things that are obvious,but indicate that management might perhaps not have taken ALL of the current circumstances into consideration when devising and implementing policies."IF you can Manage to pull your pinhead out of your A$$ you might notice this does NOT smell like roses!"

Also, if securitization is now just about close to dead (comatose, at least) - why aren't mortgage rates going through the roof? Who wants to loan money for 30 years at 5.4%, or are those advertized rates only going to people with 850 FICOs with 0 DTI, 20% down and 6 months of reserves?

nope, those rates only apply to REO's purchased from dealer inventory...
just like used car sales

Claims up 17% in a quarter, and the decline in prices just getting under way. These guys used to run combined ratios (I'm talking in the mid 90's when I owned a bunch of the PMI firms for clients) in the 60's. What was the combined ratio this quarter, 300? 400?

"That's like Ford saying its going to stop selling cars."

In Q3, bulk was only 7% of new insurance written, and 18% of existing insurance in force, but accounted for more than than half the paid claims. It won't be missed.

"A pumper?"

No. Don't buy the stock unless you have a very long horizon to see any lasting gains, and have a high appetite for risk.

"Define "soon".

The company would probably survive 10% unemployment (as long as it didn't last more than a year or two) and 30-40% nationwide reduction in home equity. Not too many people are predicting anything that severe.

"I would start polishing my resume just in case, if I were you."

My resume is always up to date. Thanks for the concern.

The biggest business worry would be a ratings downgrade in claims-paying ability below AA-. That would make it hard to write new insurance. We'd still collect premiums on, and pay claims for, existing policies for many years in a slowly shrinking company.

There's always the possibility of something unexpected, like a buyout or merger, but who could finance something like that today?

Concerning the latest Fed attempts to
recessitate the US markets, I am reminded of a scene from a film adaptation of Ken Kesey's novel
titled "Sometimes a Great Notion" in which Richard Jaeckel, as Newman's brother, is trapped under a log in a river, slowly drowning despite Newman's best efforts to save him, one breathe at a time....

There are great fundamental problems in the economy created by our enormous debt load, and Bernanke's rate cuts are designed to increase that load; after all, as the interest rate falls, the public is supposed to borrow even more. When the debt burden is the main source of the problem, how can more debt solve the problem?

Ravi Batra speaks truth to power (even if his timing has not always been perfect).

rich-
Sales of FXP and EEV put seal blubber on the household table for the next three months. Also bought more SRS. Please keep your insights coming. Trying to understand all the FXP components, somewhat difficult since China Mobile is 11%, Energy is 20% , Financials 14%. (Roughly)

!!!CONJURE COMMUNIQUE!!!

Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Conjure Bag.

FRIENDS, THANKS TO THE FED THERE HAS BEEN NO CAPITULATION, SO WE ARE GOING TO TEST DOW 12,000. IN SHORT, WE HAVE YET TO FIND THE BOTTOM IN EQUITIES. IT ISN'T GOING TO BE FUN.

AS I MENTIONED LAST WEEK, I AM BEARISH ON EQUITIES AND COMMODITIES, PARTICULARLY METALS AND GRAINS, AND PARTICULARLY SOYBEANS. ONE COMMODITIES TRADER SAID TODAY THAT HE WAS "STILL TRYING TO WRAP HIS HEAD AROUND WHAT HAPPENED TODAY." TO HIM I SAY, 'KEEP WRAPPING.'

FINALLY, IS IT REALLY NECESSARY FOR ME TO HAVE MP KEEP UPDATING MY GLOBAL FINANCIAL MELTDOWN CLOCK? AFTER ALL, EVERYONE NOW KNOWS WHAT TIME IT IS, RIGHT?

HAVE A NICE DAY.

Thank you, Conjure Bag.

!!!END OF CONJURE COMMUNIQUE!!!

There are great fundamental problems in the economy created by our enormous debt load, and Bernanke's rate cuts are designed to increase that load; after all, as the interest rate falls, the public is supposed to borrow even more. When the debt burden is the main source of the problem, how can more debt solve the problem?

Also, how do these rate cuts address the fundamental lack of investment in this country relative to consumption?

How long are foreign countries going to subsidize US consumption at their own expense?

Once you paint yourself into a corner, I guess the only thing left to do is paint yourself.

"What was the combined ratio this quarter, 300? 400?"

In Q3, it was 187.6%. http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/11/117/117240/items/265205/3rdquarter2007.pdf
way at the bottom. Q4 will of course be higher.

Re: the Americredit release:

Gokhale said he sees AmeriCredit as a potential acquisition target given that its shares are currently trading at a discount to their book value and that the company has "pretty clean accounting"...

Oh, yeah, baby! Just what I look for in an acquisition..."pretty clean accounting"!

Something like, pretty clean underwear?

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The company isn't going to go bankrupt anytime soon.
anonymoose | 01.22.08 - 8:27 pm |

A pumper?
skeptictank | 01.22.08 - 8:30 pm | #

The technical term is a "fluffer".

(sorry, Tanta...)

I'm curious what the folks here project the economic situation to be in 5 to 10 years.

No recovery from deflation?
Inflation after the deflation?
No housing recovery or back to housing bubble?
Gold? Oil? Other commodities?
Economic situation of China, Japan, India, S. America, USA, Europe, Russia, Brazil?

I've seen a lot of interesting debate as to whether there is be deflation vs inflation, or what to short now, or how this month, or this quarter plays out, but I wonder what happens afterwards. . . Lot's of smart people here, I would love to get opinions on how to position for the long(er) run.

"Also, if securitization is now just about close to dead (comatose, at least) - why aren't mortgage rates going through the roof?"

Damn good question. Me thinks the GSE's have something to do with this. Are they inappropriately pricing the risk? How can you have less than 6% mortgages on the way up with a boom AND also on the way down, when the credit risks are obviously much different?!? Inquiring minds want to know...

It is definitely the GSEs -- a visit to the IndyMac online rate quote today had GSE conforming prices in the 4-5.7% range, but jumbos over $417k were over 7% -- that is the GSE effect, pure and simple.

Asset deflation, inflation everywhere else.

But for a while, this economy and the equity markets will be toast.

Then after that will be the buying opportunity of a generation. based on fundamentals, not financial engineering.

Mien Gott! It was like my FICO score was pulled for a few minutes there. Cold turkey.

The company would probably survive 10% unemployment (as long as it didn't last more than a year or two) and 30-40% nationwide reduction in home equity. Not too many people are predicting anything that severe. ...anonymoose

One of the recurring themes here has been how poorly the internal models are tracking the actual consumer/borrower behavior with the borrower seemingly far more willing to default for far less reason than ever expected by the financial experts. Why is a 30-40% decline in equity survivable when a nationwide OFHEO decline of 3.49% was enough to cause all the losses and loan loss increases and all the rest we see reported in this post?

What sayeth you all : does the gubmint ultimately bail out the bond insurers when it looks like the rate cuts aren't working? I see this as plausible in the next few weeks.

And BTW, Asian markets are slowly giving back the big start of day gains. You are warned...

The Fed rate cut will certainly help; the economy in the U.S. is much stronger than a lot of people are saying,'' Donald Gimbel, who manages almost $2 billion at Carret & Co. in New York, said.A lot of the sell-off has been due to an unwarranted fear in Asia that a slowdown in the U.S. will immediately jump across the Pacific.''

I guess it depends on what your definition of immediately is.

Geoff,

Straits is giving back. Hang Seng and Nikkei not so much.

Thanks Haloscan.

Cheers,

Add Taiwan, Skorea, Shanghai to that list. And possibly Japan after the sakebombs.

I think Alec has the right idea (see below), I wonder if anyone would venture a guess on timelines or signals to tell us to jump back in:

Asset deflation, inflation everywhere else.

But for a while, this economy and the equity markets will be toast.

Then after that will be the buying opportunity of a generation. based on fundamentals, not financial engineering.
Alec | 01.22.08 - 10:23 pm | #

so i was just playing with some numbers, and due to significant over-trading on my part (damn volatility) and hitting the cap on deducitble losses (already), my tax rate on my actual "investment" (OK, trading) net income is going to be like 40%. So much for the great start to the year. And no, I won't qualify as a "trader" at the end of the year so no mark-to-market net income = ordinary income calculation for me. i didn't realize the middle-ground (actively trading investor) was so dangerous from a tax perspecive.

i'm going long at the end of this week. screw this. Uncle Sam keeps on finding ways to F me (out of the blue rate cuts, weird trading tax rules, etc.)

So it would appear that most markets are now in the green. All is well. Risk averted.

BoE tells a crowd at a private dinner in the UK - inflation is out of bounds. Australia is concerned about core inflation. China clamps down on reserves and sets goals to guide price expectations. But core inflation in the US is acceptable and the Fed decides to fan the flames.

Me thinks while this was a bold move it may carry us in the wrong direction.

It is definitely the GSEs -- a visit to the IndyMac online rate quote today had GSE conforming prices in the 4-5.7% range, but jumbos over $417k were over 7% -- that is the GSE effect, pure and simple.
-ck- | 01.22.08 - 9:15 pm | #

So the GSEs are distorting the risk and are therefore part of the problem?

Barley,

"Me thinks while this was a bold move it may carry us in the wrong direction."

Bold...Bold...no. Easy. Bold would be to increase rates. And it shall carry us in the wrong direction.

Cheers,

Asians are doing a slow US invert of today : we plonked low, only to rise, they popped up, and are going to sink all day it looks like. If we go lower tomorrow (anyone look at the futures?) pretty much the entire 75 bp cut will have been to almost no effect and we'll be right back where we started. I think the Fed could be made to look awfully silly in a very short time period here. Think about it, another reaction like this, and we are at what, 2.75%FF? You cant do this but maybe twice. And then, what happens the day you DONT ride in on the white horse to the rescue. Oy...

About 100,000 staff around the world will share in the bonus pool, which makes up the bulk of the markets and banking division's $11.6bn of compensation and benefits. It comes as the industry braces itself for more job cuts, with rumours that Citi itself is planning to announce 10,000 redundancies in March - on top of the 21,400 axed in the past 12 months.

I work for a large appraisal and title management company.

Bulk appraisals for wall st securitization ... down --> WAY DOWN (actually none in the last few months)

Bulk appraisals for pre-foreclosure, REO and short sales ...
up --> WAY UP

Also ... lenders are laying the smack down on stupid appraiser tricks. Depreciating assets (umm ... liabilites) + more realistic valuations = bad mix

Since we're kind of back to mortgages.

Today I received in the mail some sort of bankruptcy thing regarding First Magnus.

In it were some pictures of the files. Shocking! There were great leaning piles of file boxes. Some had fallen over and spilled their contents. Others were in stacks along a long hallway. I had always pictured in my mind rows upon rows of those giant file cabinets in some kind of sterile environment where you could find any file in 5 seconds. Of course the one person who knew where everything was is probably long gone.

Do they need those physical files for anything or is it all digitized somewhere?

Best of luck to those investors.

Well, for today I've won the sake argument, so far ! Nikkei is only up 88 pts. - before they went off for their libations at lunch it was up 400 !

-K

rich-
Sales of FXP and EEV put seal blubber on the household table for the next three months. Also bought more SRS.

michi_doc,

Thanks very much. Other than trying to make as many retirement bucks as possible, I'm just trying to help other bears put seal blubber on the table.

I watched CNN Asia channel for several hours tonight. The analysts there aren't as hype-oriented as the U.S. version. They are kinda green-eyeshade straight men.

Although the hosts kept trying to put a smile on the news, not one analyst has one positive thing to say about Asia at this point. They aren't even smiling about rate cuts next week.

What happened in India last night isn't a one-time deal, and it isn't just India. Most investors in Asia are green. They are really just chumps for sophisticated U.S. hedge fund shorts. There's no reason left to dance around the seal, making it more miserable.

Things seem to be deteriorating pretty fast...next week's rate cuts seem to be baked-in to today's prices and expectations.

"Then after that will be the buying opportunity of a generation. based on fundamentals"

Well, that's the tough part. At inflection points and at times of turbulence (LIKE NOW), fundamentals are totally meaningless since they are largely backwards looking. What is necessary is a crystal ball to see through the haze and predict demand, forward. Alec, how do you do that with any confidence in a market like this. There's always risk that some innovation will change fundamental dynamics but this puts that risk down close to zero. We are now reshuffling the deck with at least 20 new cards. That's why everyone is scared and a bottom always seems, further away.

You cant do this but maybe twice. And then, what happens the day you DONT ride in on the white horse to the rescue. Oy...

Then we go into deflation like Japan and become a funding currency for the global carry trade. It is how they gutted our export base so now it will be our turn although wages here will have to fall.

The buying opportunity will come, but it is best if you aren't superballsy to pick a spot and start in lightly. Then add to your position over time no matter what direction we move. If you dollar cost down, so be it. If it was the bottom, then hey, your overall positions will be nice. Just dont go all in and catch a stock market dagger in the chest.

Tomorrow should make for a nice bear rally, I'm sure the money honey has the sybian ready to go.

In this enviorment the permabulls shall go "the recession(the one we weren't supposed to have) is priced in". It's not, not by a long shot unless this is the shortest recession in history.

They want to have yields so terrible poor schmucks like me who save have to put the money to work.

I am, but now it's working in Euros as well as greenbacks.

The buying opportunity will come, but it is best if you aren't superballsy to pick a spot and start in lightly. Then add to your position over time no matter what direction we move.

Geoff,

I believed the same up until about three hours ago. Caution is always good, especially when you are way ahead in the first month of the year. But there's rare times when you have to pounce on opportunities.

So, I would advise balancing Geoff's caution with being somewhat aggessive to take advantage of real weakness and deterioration in global financial confidence and too many weak hands. Don't let opportunities in SRS, TWM, EEV and FXP, GLD and SLV pass you by.

sorry, anonymous is me.

anon - Im not talking about shorting. That's only for if you are a long type investor. I was also by no means saying that even the first bottom fishing expedition should start yet. For now, Im still in shorts and cash, with minimal strategery longs.


They want to have yields so terrible poor schmucks like me who save have to put the money to work.

I am, but now it's working in Euros as well as greenbacks.
Alec

Yes, yes and yes. On the first point, I nearly threw things at the TV as I watched the John Stewart interview with Alan Greenspan a while back:

Stewart: When you lower interest rates, it drives money to stocks and lowers the return people get on savings.
Greenspan: Yes, indeed.
Stewart: So they’ve[the Fed] made a choice - “We would like to favor those who invest in the stock market and not those who [save]”…
Greenspan:That’s the way it comes out, but that’s not the way we think about it.
...

And your solution - at least on the level of NOT the US$ is exactly right - Vote with your greenback - its the only language they understand.

-K

There goes the Nikkei...

Europe ought to have fun in a few hours.

Cheers,

Barely,

I concur. There's gonna be a lot of pain over the 1st half.

Originally I was looking at early April to get into banks like JPM, BofA, and Citi, but keep my head low until then(I don't have the time to play the short game.)

But because of Citi's inability to write down what they wanted in 1 quarter I'm hoping that the other 2 get tarred with the same brush even though they're better banks.

So now I'll be kicking the tires in April but will likely wait until July.

Geeze, forty posts in, and I'm still laughing about "sharting".

Once you paint yourself into a corner, I guess the only thing left to do is paint yourself.

ac | 01.22.08 - 9:05 pm | #

Home Depot has a new custom color: "Tanta's We're All Subprime Now Blue"

Sensex reversed yesterday's loss. up 4.43% (+741.76)

This happens all the time in the comex pit with the gold futures, only sell orders forming an upside cap... all the time. Electronic orders from upstairs multiples of avg trading volume to block further upside movement.

PPT Emerges From Shadows

What happened? Did the Japanese discover that Ben really meant what he said during hid famous Helicopter piece? Look at the dollar. Pitiful showing. No respect. Getting the passed around like a $2 hooker.

Greenspan:That’s the way it comes out, but that’s not the way we think about it.

Well, we all know the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

BTW, where the hell is my bear market rally??? I've got a lot of cash waiting to reload with puts!!!

Rob Dawg,

Loved the "Cold Equations" reference, too! Remember "Nightfall"?

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elegated Underwriting and GSE Automated Underwriting Approvals. Delegated
underwriting is a program under which approved lenders are allowed to commit
MGIC to insure loans originated through the flow channel utilizing their own
underwriting guidelines and underwriting evaluation. Some major lenders having
delegated underwriting authority use their own proprietary automated
underwriting services to apply their underwriting guidelines to loans. In
addition, since 2000, loans approved by the automated underwriting services of
the GSEs have been automatically approved for MGIC mortgage insurance.

During 2003, a substantial majority of the loans insured by MGIC through
the flow channel were approved as a result of loan approvals by the automated
underwriting services of the GSEs or though delegated underwriting programs,
including those utilizing proprietary underwriting services. MGIC expects the
portion of its flow business that is approved in this manner to continue to
increase. The loan approval criteria of automated underwriting services are
within the risk management discretion and control of the GSEs or the lender
operating the service. As a result of accepting the loan approval decisions of
these services, MGIC does not have the ability to control in advance the risk
characteristics of such loans. MGIC's risk management approach to such flow
business has been to monitor periodically the credit quality of the loans it has
recently insured in this manner. If as a result of such review MGIC perceives
certain loans insured in this manner have an unacceptably higher risk of claim,
MGIC can continue to insure loans with such characteristics that are thereafter
submitted to it at A- rates. In addition, in the case of loans approved other
than through the automated underwriting systems of the GSEs, MGIC can decline to
continue to insure loans having such characteristics.

The contest between Alan and Ben has begun. Can Ben cut rates faster and leave them lower longer? Gotta save the housing market is the chant of the day.

Savers and retired folks will vote with their wallets next November. Republicans will be out and the next president will certainly replace the PPT members as fast as possible.

But for now, Ben is the deer in headlights and he loves the attention. You can see it in his face....he never dreamed he would have this power (and ultimately big money too).

That buffet guy is sure not following the advice our bear pundits. he foolishly went out and bought another 1.3 million shares of a us railroad (what could he be thinking?) and then to top it off, bought 3% of swiss re (who no doubt will be consumed in the counter-party risk contagion)
who said they don't ring bells...

Anonymoose is right. The housingwire story is pretty disgraceful. This -

"the insurer said it expects incurred losses for the fourth quarter to approximate $1.3 billion as a result. And talk about missing by an entire continent — earlier guidance, provided in October, had suggested paid losses would be between $270 to $290 million."

just blithely assumes that paid and incurred losses are the same thing - you can go back and look at MGIC's guidance in Q3 - their guidance for 2008 realised losses was $1.2-$1.5 billion and their new guidance is $1.8-$2.0. Yes, that's a 50% increase but it is not 'missing by an entire continent'

anonymoose - if you have any interest in casting you eye over a model of Radian that I built (I'm a professional analyst, not specifically on financials, but I know what I'm doing) then email me - sanfranstyle@hotmail.com

EF - Radian has a much different risk profile than MGIC, being much more "diversified", probably not in a good way. The two aren't very comparable.

Radian does municipal bond insurance, insures second mortgages, guarantees net interest margins, and is in general much deeper into Wall Streets financial shenanigans. MGIC only does mortgage insurance on firsts, ever since the Ambac business was sold off to Citi.

Even PMI is much different, because of their large exposure to FGIC.

anonymoose-
Agreed. Radian is involved in some 'interesting' business lines.

I would argue that given they've provisioned 50% of their RIF on NIM and that the average term to expiration of their NIM business is 2 years (and they're not writing new business) that they're a long way towards cleansing the NIM stables

The seconds business is similarly dodgy. I don't think they've provisioned that puppy adequately. I think you could see another $200-$250 million of provision charge there (on the current RIF net of specific provision of $460 million

So - I agree with you that their business model is not simple, but with care I think you can disentangle it and look at the parts.

Feel free to email if you're interested in continuing the discussion.

I believed the same up until about three hours ago. Caution is always good, especially when you are way ahead in the first month of the year. But there's rare times when you have to pounce on opportunities.
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