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Finally some good news for the housing market
David Rosenberg, ML, 11/07/07:
Finally some good news for the housing market -- The inventory levels seem to have leveled off or even come down a tad. According to ZipRealty, the number of active listings in the 18 major cities polled fell 1.4% in October m/m. While still up 18% y/y, this is still a light at the end of the tunnel. See page D2 of the WSJ for more.
Only for the ignorant.
Has Mr. Rosenberg checked to see that inventories for resale homes start falling some time during October because of seasonality? For example, the resale inventory in Santa Clara county fell less than for the same period in 2006 and 2005. I am sure that it is a nationwide phenomenon.
I am hearing of alot of people who are facing resets not even bothering to re-list their house. They can see the comps and forclosures in their area (or at least the realtors can) and they know that they can't refi and can't sell to cover their loan. Why bother to list?
Also, realtors aren't accepting new listing that aren't priced very low since it's a cost at this time in time and advertising.
The listing levels are comprised of a higher percentage of stressed and bank owned property.
According to a good friend in the Bethesda, MD area, everyone who wants to sell is instead renting out their house, hoping to ride out this soft patch in home prices.
Thanks Tanta. I'm worried about a scenario where WM goes under, some other entity gets the servicing rights then loses my payments or claims I never made them. Then I would be in the same boat as the people posting to that Litton complaint forum, and hiring a lawyer, right?
"Investors were offered the chance to meet one-on-one with issuers of mortgage asset-backed securities, collateralized debt obligations and non-mortgage ABS on Tuesday. Six investors and issuers spent 10 minutes in pairs of two hoping to make a connection before moving on to their next potential match.
"Ten minutes should be enough to determine if one investor's risk profile is in line with that issuer's platform."
But Countrywide will be profitable next quarter! They said so, so it must be true.
I am sure that WaMu sinned less than some others, but its problem is that it is still here to get kicked around and blamed for the mess. Bigger sinners are either bk or (like First Franklin) part of another ship now.
Wamu should be very scared once the consumer class action starts. Jury's don't like to award "containable" verdicts.
Has Mr. Rosenberg checked to see that inventories for resale homes start falling some time during October because of seasonality? For example, the resale inventory in Santa Clara county fell less than for the same period in 2006 and 2005. I am sure that it is a nationwide phenomenon.
Last year Mr. Rosenberg was forcasting a hard landing for the US economy, but not until the second half of 2007.
Time will tell if he's right or not, but his forecasts have been a hell of a lot better than other bears as far as I can tell.
I'm worried about a scenario where WM goes under, some other entity gets the servicing rights then loses my payments or claims I never made them. Then I would be in the same boat as the people posting to that Litton complaint forum, and hiring a lawyer, right?
Well I do hope your whiny blog postings are more literate than the Litton forum's.
I was having a double-duck hissy fit a while ago over CFC's servicing portfolio. WaMu's isn't the size of CFC's, but we're talking Big Ones. An emergency transfer of servicing of a big portfolio (with a transferor in crisis) is absolutely certain to produce massive numbers of fuckups like lost or misapplied payments. I mean, normal non-emergency small-scale servicing transfers in this business produce terrible error rates.
Fortunately, HUD won't be very busy, so you'll be able to report all RESPA violations and expect prompt action . . .
Fannie Mae and Freddi Mac issues are big news for several reasons.
First, their losses on loans are hidden or discounted. They don't go bankrupt like the 179 other lenders. In other words, losing $ loans are still being handed out and there are investors still willing to fund them. Problems in their house may decrease investor enthusiasm and raise rates.
The non-conforming loans have become a much larger part of the continuing business of the existing still surviving brokers. As countrywide has said, they are barely surviving on doing loans under $417,000 since their is still money to fund them. There has been a major drive to raise this limit to help in high priced markets. Who is gonna let them take on more loans when their are issues with the ones they are taking. It takes the hope away from anyone who thought Fannie and Freddi were gonna come to the rescue.
On the threat to servicing if WaMu (or countrywide) going bk, I suspect that even in bk their servicing operations would continue- just like airlines still file when bk. Those operations make money, so it would be an assest worth saving and would eventually be sold or operated for benifit of the creditors.
Tanta, thanks again. I'll file away your RESPA suggestion just in case.
Hopefully it never comes to this, but if I find myself threatened with foreclosure and I have to resort to posting to a complaint forum, I promise to whine in a grammatically and syntactically correct fashion.
Attention Plunge Protection Team! S&P 1490 has been breached, this is not a drill, I repeat, this is not a drill!
there has been a rock-steady bid coming into these scary downlegs between 1:30 and 2pm, c_s. i'm no conspiracy theorist, but it'll interesting to see if it turns up today.
sorry about the stock comments -- this one's my last.
ice!
Contained
"pattern of collusion"??? Yeah, I think everyone and their mother was in on the RE ponzi game over the last handfull of years.
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Finally some good news for the housing market
David Rosenberg, ML, 11/07/07:
Finally some good news for the housing market -- The inventory levels seem to have leveled off or even come down a tad. According to ZipRealty, the number of active listings in the 18 major cities polled fell 1.4% in October m/m. While still up 18% y/y, this is still a light at the end of the tunnel. See page D2 of the WSJ for more.
Only for the ignorant.
Has Mr. Rosenberg checked to see that inventories for resale homes start falling some time during October because of seasonality? For example, the resale inventory in Santa Clara county fell less than for the same period in 2006 and 2005. I am sure that it is a nationwide phenomenon.
Jas
WM stock is cratering, down 14%. Another missed opportunity on puts.
My mortgage is with them, I wonder what happens to it if they go bankrupt? Will it get sold to another outfit or who gets the servicing rights?
I am hearing of alot of people who are facing resets not even bothering to re-list their house. They can see the comps and forclosures in their area (or at least the realtors can) and they know that they can't refi and can't sell to cover their loan. Why bother to list?
Also, realtors aren't accepting new listing that aren't priced very low since it's a cost at this time in time and advertising.
The listing levels are comprised of a higher percentage of stressed and bank owned property.
I smell some big-time buybacks. I guess WaMu's containment is officially disundermiscontained.
If WM goes BK, the same thing will happen to its mortgagors that happened to NEW's and AHM's and however many other BK servicers we're up to.
This will go on until there is no one large enough to buy troubled servicing portfolios. At that point, someone reboots and we start over.
According to a good friend in the Bethesda, MD area, everyone who wants to sell is instead renting out their house, hoping to ride out this soft patch in home prices.
The Tan Man just needs to hook up the cats at WaMu with a little of that craaaazy juice he got from BofA.
It'll make everything aaaaaaaaaaaalright. Yeah, baby, yeah.
We're seeing the bottom now. It's all roses and chocolates from here.
Thanks Tanta. I'm worried about a scenario where WM goes under, some other entity gets the servicing rights then loses my payments or claims I never made them. Then I would be in the same boat as the people posting to that Litton complaint forum, and hiring a lawyer, right?
Tanta - please! I cannot wait until I hear your take on this
Mortgage Players Speed - Date to Lift Subprime Gloom
"Investors were offered the chance to meet one-on-one with issuers of mortgage asset-backed securities, collateralized debt obligations and non-mortgage ABS on Tuesday. Six investors and issuers spent 10 minutes in pairs of two hoping to make a connection before moving on to their next potential match.
"Ten minutes should be enough to determine if one investor's risk profile is in line with that issuer's platform."
o please please please please.....
LOL that's one date you definitely want to stock up on penicillin for, if you get my drift.
But Countrywide will be profitable next quarter! They said so, so it must be true.
I am sure that WaMu sinned less than some others, but its problem is that it is still here to get kicked around and blamed for the mess. Bigger sinners are either bk or (like First Franklin) part of another ship now.
Wamu should be very scared once the consumer class action starts. Jury's don't like to award "containable" verdicts.
Banks Face $100 Billion of Writedowns on Level 3 Rule, Royal Bank of Scotland Says...
Banks Face $100 Billion of Writedowns on Level 3 Rule (Update3) - Bloomberg.com
Only for the ignorant.
Has Mr. Rosenberg checked to see that inventories for resale homes start falling some time during October because of seasonality? For example, the resale inventory in Santa Clara county fell less than for the same period in 2006 and 2005. I am sure that it is a nationwide phenomenon.
Last year Mr. Rosenberg was forcasting a hard landing for the US economy, but not until the second half of 2007.
Time will tell if he's right or not, but his forecasts have been a hell of a lot better than other bears as far as I can tell.
I'm worried about a scenario where WM goes under, some other entity gets the servicing rights then loses my payments or claims I never made them. Then I would be in the same boat as the people posting to that Litton complaint forum, and hiring a lawyer, right?
Well I do hope your whiny blog postings are more literate than the Litton forum's.
I was having a double-duck hissy fit a while ago over CFC's servicing portfolio. WaMu's isn't the size of CFC's, but we're talking Big Ones. An emergency transfer of servicing of a big portfolio (with a transferor in crisis) is absolutely certain to produce massive numbers of fuckups like lost or misapplied payments. I mean, normal non-emergency small-scale servicing transfers in this business produce terrible error rates.
Fortunately, HUD won't be very busy, so you'll be able to report all RESPA violations and expect prompt action . . .
Fannie Mae and Freddi Mac issues are big news for several reasons.
First, their losses on loans are hidden or discounted. They don't go bankrupt like the 179 other lenders. In other words, losing $ loans are still being handed out and there are investors still willing to fund them. Problems in their house may decrease investor enthusiasm and raise rates.
The non-conforming loans have become a much larger part of the continuing business of the existing still surviving brokers. As countrywide has said, they are barely surviving on doing loans under $417,000 since their is still money to fund them. There has been a major drive to raise this limit to help in high priced markets. Who is gonna let them take on more loans when their are issues with the ones they are taking. It takes the hope away from anyone who thought Fannie and Freddi were gonna come to the rescue.
On the threat to servicing if WaMu (or countrywide) going bk, I suspect that even in bk their servicing operations would continue- just like airlines still file when bk. Those operations make money, so it would be an assest worth saving and would eventually be sold or operated for benifit of the creditors.
"At that point, someone reboots and we start over"
LMFAO!!
Tanta, thanks again. I'll file away your RESPA suggestion just in case.
Hopefully it never comes to this, but if I find myself threatened with foreclosure and I have to resort to posting to a complaint forum, I promise to whine in a grammatically and syntactically correct fashion.
Damn, I covered my WM shorts too early. But I am still short on FNM.
"Collusion" , that word sounds so nice.
I promise to be mean and short with them. Of course, I get cheap legal help- I married a lawyer;-]
I can never get divorced, of course.
Someday this war's gonna end...
Heard somewhere on the streets of DC:
Attention Plunge Protection Team! S&P 1490 has been breached, this is not a drill, I repeat, this is not a drill!
the s&p just broke resistance at 1490.
Attention Plunge Protection Team! S&P 1490 has been breached, this is not a drill, I repeat, this is not a drill!
there has been a rock-steady bid coming into these scary downlegs between 1:30 and 2pm, c_s. i'm no conspiracy theorist, but it'll interesting to see if it turns up today.
sorry about the stock comments -- this one's my last.
OK, Hank made another couple of 3 million share purchases at 1490. Failed on the way back up. 1490 is now officially resistance.
The listing levels are comprised of a higher percentage of stressed and bank owned property.
Average Joe | 11.07.07 - 12:52 pm | #
Joe,
Do you know more or less what percentage of listings are REO at this point?
Thanks!
I married a lawyer;-]
I can never get divorced, of course.
Someday this war's gonna end...
Somehow, it's all becoming more clear now... Heh heh.