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Pretty soon things may degenrate to this:

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....or even degenerate too.

Fantastic ! Highly recommended. I had to use IE to enjoy it - Adplus-enabled FireFox couldn't hack it - once - and once is enough.

Thank you lumpeninvestor and CR of course -

Greenspan is a clown, clown clown. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

-K

How long before you start playing Tapps?

For some reason I thought of the Golden Earring song with "When the bullet hits the bone" this last week. Maybe because in my head I now hear "When another bubble blows".

Uhm, this is a comedy version of Bruce Springsteen's song "I'm Going Down, Down, Down, Down".

Spice it up!!

Jeff Beck/Going Down

YouTube - Jeff Beck/Going Down/1983

..Flaherty said exchange rates are having a ``serious effect on Canada.'' Government figures yesterday showed Canada's trade surplus narrowed to the smallest since 1998 as exports slumped.

Paulson Defends Dollar's Status as Trichet, Flaherty Decry Drop - Bloomberg.com

hmmm...I thought emerging markets were supposed to pitch in or something like that?

French President Nicholas Sarkozy told American lawmakers Nov. 7 the U.S. must support the dollar or risk triggering a trade war. Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said the same day the Canadian currency's climb has been rapid and unprecedented ``by any standard.''

again from the above article

Argentina, pure and simple.

Paulson reiterated yesterday that a strong dollar is in our nation's interest'' and that markets are the best judge of currency values, during an unscheduled session with reporters. At the same time, he fleshed out his standard statement to reject suggestions that the dollar's international standing is under threat.The dollar has been the world's reserve currency since World War II and there's a reason,'' he said. ``I put the U.S. economy up against any in the world in terms of competitiveness
Thank god Paulson is on this. Any one having problems pulling up the ABX closing on Markit beside me. Cant get the CMBX either.

For our looming recession, I suggest this fine montage of Depression era footage and clips of Buddy Can You Spare a Dime?

YouTube
- Buddy can you spare a dime?

Notice to all PPT members: There will be a pregame meeting on Monday at 6am EST. Please bring extra cash because we may be going into overtime. This is a big week and there will be cheerleaders for the first time in our history - many Central Bankers will be on the sidelines jumping up and down in support of our efforts.
As backup, in case we run into some tough markets, we have some helicopters on standby for later in the week.

Question:
Other than Proshares, do you guys/gals know of any "ultra short" funds?

Alan Abelson lands a haymaker on Ben in Barrons:

But whether these are the end-days or merely the beginning-of-the-end days, don't anyone tell Mr. Bernanke; it might disturb him. For he convincingly demonstrated in his testimony last week before Congress that it's possible to be chairman of the most important central bank on the planet and seemingly not have a clue about what's happening to the economy, let alone what, if anything, to do about it.

At one point or another, he ventured that the economy would soldier on, if somewhat slowly for the next few quarters, unless, he cautioned at another point, it didn't; that inflation was a threat, but not a reality, at least not yet. And that the economy was perking along, nicely negotiating the shocks of the housing collapse, even as evidence to the contrary -- plunging consumer confidence, weak retail sales, dragging auto demand and all the grisly et ceteras -- mounted as he spoke.

Understand, if you will, we don't expect the Fed chairman to be omniscient or clairvoyant; but we do expect him, even if he doesn't know what's going to happen, at the very least to know what's going on. Nor are we demanding a foolish consistency; stuff happens, things change. All we ask is that if your opinions are firm, as Mr. Bernanke obviously feels they are, that they be fast as well, at least for as long as it takes to befuddle a bunch of slack-jawed congressmen.

Paulson may well believe that a strong dollar is in the interest of this country.However when was the last time anyone in this government acted in the interests of this country? It sure wasn't princess DiFi...or president Dick.

French President Nicholas Sarkozy told American lawmakers Nov. 7 the U.S. must support the dollar or risk triggering a trade war

What a toad.

"markets are the best judge of currency values"

If you are China, you could reduce your energy bill by 20% just by letting your currency rise. Not to mention the cost of copper, steel, nickel and other commodities. And did I mention all the massive food imports China requires? Yes, keeping your currency low has helped you to get a competitive advantage in manufacturing all sorts of products. But at some point it will make more sense to have a stronger currency.
John Mauldin

Bye Bye bucky

CR and "all the bears",

CME housing futures - could that be a topic for a post?

First of all I must concede I was surprised by the bear move this past week ;-( Congrats to the bears who anticipated this one. Of course, I still believe we'll make a bottom this coming week, followed by a run to new ATHs.

How to interprete the CME housing futures? Are they of any significance or too illiquid? Do I interprete them correctly that they currently state the bottom in the housing market will be in May 2010 (not so far off from CRs prognosis) and that they predict a ~15% decline from current values in the composite average?

Thanks!

O-Joe

This still isn't the kind of broad based rout we had in August. To me it looks more like an exodus from the US rather than another major unwinding event (it could turn into that quickly, though, IMO).

I think we could be seeing a "dollar carry trade" attempting to take hold and drive up foreign assets and commodities:

INO Equities Stocks Indexes - CONTINUOUS COMMODITY INDEX (NYBOT:CI) Price Chart and Quote

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November 10, 2007

Update -- Market TOP Watch

If you recall, I made a call for the stock market top on 10/11/07 within minutes of the top based on a sudden sharp reversal on an innocuous piece of news. These were the highs for Dec futures before the reversal:

NDX: 2214.0; SPX: 1586.5; and Dow: 14270.

I also said that when two or more of the above highs are breached my call would be proven wrong. Until then it would stand. As of Friday’s close here are the changes in the three indexes from the highs on 10/11/07:

NDX\t-172
SPX\t-132
Dow\t-1223

As a matter of fact, the NDX futures did cross above the 2214 level for 2-3 days, but SPX and Dow never even came close. Most likely, the stock market is finally taking the recession threat seriously. I have already declared that the US economy IS already in a recession. Please remember the following sequence:

Recession --> Commodities Bust --> Deflation --> Depression.

Some time in this sequence we will have China bulls and India bulls, or India goats, to be more precise, slaughtered. India goats have been fattened for the slaughter and for the crooks to feast on.

Jas

"markets are the best judge of currency values"

Just like they were the best judge of tech stock values in 1999 or housing values in 2005?

--
ac,

Under American theology markets are gods. You declare no faith in America's gods?

Jas

O-Joe "Of course, I still believe we'll make a bottom this coming week, followed by a run to new ATHs"

We are right now standing right on the fragile ledge, peering over into the deep abyss of certain recession. In fact, we are probably already in it. Do we normally make ATHs as we enter recession and selling ensues, as buyers turn to sellers collecting capital to hunker down for the coming storm.

Mass 401k dumping and tax loss selling season is approaching.

I am glad there are still bulls left. That means there's plenty of room to easily drop.

Other countries need to follow Bhutan's lead in promoting Gross National Happiness as a gauge of national wellbeing, a World Bank official told the Himalayan nation's state newspaper.

Breitbart.com

Is everybody happy?

OT, but can anyone get to http://www.nybot.com?

For the housing bubble movie soundtrack.

I apologize in advance for the unrelated user videos.

Humble Beginnings:
Lesson's from What's Poor
click on the speaker icon sixth one down.
MOG - Discover People Through Music and Music Through People

Your Parents Mortgage (How it worked):
Bibi Plone
Warp Records / Media Player

Exits Plans? No, no, no, bonusesss:
Agenda Suicide
YouTube - The Faint - Agenda Suicide

Not Your Parents Mortgage (How it works now):
Squance
Warp Records / Media Player

Loving the 80's:
Blue Monday
YouTube -  

Its Bad and Few People Know:
Cathart
Click on the first song if it doesn't play automatically
isan on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Downloads

When Things Get Bad:
Maybe Not
YouTube - Cat Power Maybe Not

Hard to believe this Kinks song is almost 40 years old ...

YouTube
- Ray Davies - Shangri-La

Dedicated to all f'd buyers / knife catchers.

"it's possible to be chairman of the most important central bank on the planet and seemingly not have a clue about what's happening to the economy, let alone what, if anything, to do about it."

The Fed is not clueless about what is happening in the economy--they are in the same position as those at the top in the Pentagon and Iraq--it is positive spin all the time. Nothing is served, especially the welfare of those at the top, if the masses are riled up by a scenario or gloom or doom.

What has happened is tht the unpalatable consequences of misguided policy are coming to roost. The damage is there to see, it is just inconvenient to admit it.

The economy has gone through years of hollowing out of the producing sector. The accompanying fall of wages in relation to true inflation and the non-competitive nature of the American worker wage has been sucessfully masked by the import of cheap foreign goods and the recent real estate inflation.

There is no-one at the top that will tell the inconvenient truth that you cannot spend more than you make and that the liklihood is that you will make less tomorrow than you will today. The underlying assumption in Aerica was that with hard work your children will be better off than you were--but that is seriously in doubt at this juncture.

The economic facts are as clear to the Fed as they are to a kid trying to set up a lawn-mowing buiness for the summer. You cannot spend more than you make and you cannot charge more than the next person willing to do that job.

The value of the dollar has largely rested on the tradition that the dollar was an accepted form of payment in most parts of the world because it had a stable, quantifiable value backed a sound govenment with a sound economy baked by a sound population.

The unwillingness to publically admit and address the issues related to global competitiveness and spending on personal and governmental levels has brought into question those assumptions of soundness. As a result, the dollar must fall--but no-one at the top will give cause and effect.

In looking at the Fed's response to the current crisis, one should note that prior to this the financial sector was heralded as one prime growth areas for the new American economy. The financial sector--as opposed to the sectors of government, health care and services--was a gleaming example of private business that actually added "good" jobs to the economy.

If you take away all of the growth related to the financial sector and the real estate inflation, beginning with the home buyer and extending to the top with the heads of the investment bank, where does it leave the economy? Where does it leave the former bright star of the private economy?

It is for that reason, the rescuing of the former bright star, that the Fed is concentrating on rescuing the investment bankers in lieu of the consumer. In their mind, no matter how much they say they value the consumer and the small busine

That's a surprisingly "Floyd" sounding song for the Kinks

...no matter how much they say they value the consumer and the small businesses, in their minds it is the financial sector that provides the way forward in the new economy.

So that is why the Fed's actions are more for the benefit of the fianacial sector than the consumer or small business. Without the fiancial sector, what will be the powerhouse of the new American economy.

It is this thinking that will drive the Fed's action in the future. Inflation be damned, the finacial sector does not suffer from inflation in the manner of the consumer. Dollar devaluation, the same.

The bright star must be rescued, at any cost.

If we're going down, might as well take the highway...

YouTube -

Cheers,

charles hugh smith-Empire of Debt I: The Great Unraveling Begins

Charles Hugh Smith is a great site.

I thought I'd note a fairly prescient prediction by him on Nov 5, last monday (cut and paste from his website...again posted at the beginning of this week!)

Here are a few predictions:

  1. The Dow Jones Industrials will drop hundreds of points in a day, very soon, losing at least 3,000 points within the next few weeks.
  2. The Shanghai stock market will lose half its value, dropping from 5,800 to under 3,000.
  3. Major banks will be declared insolvent.
  4. Major lay-offs will occur as U.S. retail, auto and house sales plummet.
  5. The tech high-fliers (RIMM, GOOG and AAPL) fall will precipitously

When he posted this the Dow was at 13595, so it has dropped 500 points so far.

Goog has dropped about $50 a share,

RIMM has dropped about $15 a share,

AAPL has dropped about $20 a share,

Should be fun to watch how this all plays out.

Neal,

Very nice. I've shared the same sentiments.

Cheers,

And my ode to B.S. Bernutty,

YouTube -  

Cheers,

barely said: "We are right now standing right on the fragile ledge, peering over into the deep abyss of certain recession."

I'd go so far as to say we're standing on a fragile ledge peering over into the deep abyss of a 500+ point down-day in the DJIA.Smile But definitely not a recession.

I'm sitting here looking at two charts in another window. One is of year-over-year TTM SP500 earnings growth and the other is quarterly year-over-year GDP growth. The SP500 EPS growth chart is clearly going down, but the GDP growth chart is clearly going up. That's not what it's supposed to look like on the eve of recession.

The huge writedowns to EPS we're seeing now, although large, are nearly all one-time hits concentrated among financials (and GM), unlike in a recession where there's persistent widespread weakness. Ergo, earnings weakness (and a sharp stock market adjustment to account for it, which is to be expected) but not recession.

JMO.

Sebastia

On a happier note,today is the birthday of the USMC,I'd like to say thanks to all those who have served in that fine organization,especially my late uncle david,who never set foot where it snowed again after returning from choisin.

Seb,

"quarterly year-over-year GDP growth."????

Where are the numbers from, the Ministry of Truth? Like the wholly statistical anomaly numbers that came out recently then extrapolated forward? Given that both the CPI and Deflator are WAY understating inflation. Using BLS birth-death model and fantasy growth in construction and finance.

I'm all aquiver to hear where these GDP forward numbers come from.

Cheers,

Mauldin weekly newsletter has always underestimated the extent and damage that the RE downturn would have on consumer spending and financial related companies. He makes weekly revisions that reflect the current problems but overall his projections are always short of the mark. Here is a interesting paragraph from this weeks newsletter which reflects his and my guess the general thesis that the current problems can be contained.

"Let's take a side trip for a moment and look at a 2002 vintage AAA mortgage backed asset. It is probably still capable of being rated AAA. Why? Because the bad lending practices were not prevalent, any mortgages still in existence have been paid on for almost six years, and the underlying homes may have appreciated anywhere from 50-100%. It would take a disaster of biblical proportions for that AAA tranche to lose money. By that I mean that 60% of the loans would have to lose 50% of their 2002 value (or 75% of their 2007 value) for the investor to lose money. Not very likely."

Sebastian said "unlike in a recession where there's persistent widespread weakness. Ergo, earnings weakness (and a sharp stock market adjustment to account for it, which is to be expected) but not recession."

The key word above is "in".

The financial trouble we are "in" right now was apparently invisible to you two years ago. There were however many people, say ones that started writing and reading blogs two years ago saying we are "in" trouble. They meant that the decisions we are making now are going to lead to trouble. Well they were right but it took two years for the Sebastians to agree we were "in" trouble.

Now those same blogs are looking forward and saying we are "in" for more trouble.

Alot of people think that they are "in" financial trouble the day they can't pay their bills, or the day that they can't afford the house anymore. However, the truth is that they are truly "in" financial trouble the day they bought the house, committed to the debt.

Neal and Misean,

We need to start thinking about building our future, not venerating our past and rewarding the current crop of financial idiots who have gotten us into this mess.

If the Fed can't figure that out, it's gonna be depression time for real.

example:

I had a friend who sold his house, paid off two new cars, but a house twice the size for $900 grand. Of course he did it on a option arm.

Well, as soon as he bought the house his house payment stayed the same, he got rid of two car payments, he had a huge house, which of course is an appreciating asset that offers more of a tax break.

Anyone who said he was "in" financial trouble was crazy. Anyone who looked at the financial situation he was "in" would say he was much better off. He felt better off. He had nicer things. He had more cash flow. The facts all pointed to being "in" a financially better-off position.

Fast forward 3 years. He's about to lose it all. NOW is he "in" financial bad shape?

The Fed is not clueless about what is happening in the economy--they are in the same position as those at the top in the Pentagon and Iraq--it is positive spin all the time.

That's right, Neal, and to expound a bit on this analogy, I'd say Bernanke reminds me of a 4-star general behind the lines, making decisions from his comfortable perch based on outdated and incorrect information.

Meanwhile, on the front lines, the "facts on the ground" are changing too fast for his cumbersome academic style (have to agree with Cramer here, God help me.)

For example, his recent attempt to badger Congress into raising the GSE comforming limit to 1 million is far too little, too late. At this point it doesn't matter, even if Congress got off their lazy butts and did it, the price cuts have begun and all the overpriced RE in CA and FL is going to be "marked to market". He can't stop it, nobody can.

He'd be better off losing his chums in DC, and spending some time with Mike Morgan in South FL on a real real estate tour or taking a drive around my Atlanta suburb to see all the vacant spec homes and auctions.

The idiot Bernanke has a new idea that he floated to Congress. Was there a discussion of this on CR ? If so I probably missed that.

Idea of Jumbo-Loan Guarantee Is Floated - WSJ.com

Idea of Jumbo-Loan Guarantee Is Floated
By DAMIAN PALETTA
November 9, 2007; Page A2

WASHINGTON -- Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke yesterday floated a new idea to fix the troubled market for mortgages too large for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to buy: Allow the companies to securitize jumbo-size mortgages but have the federal government guarantee them.
[Ben Bernanke]

Fannie and Freddie currently can buy mortgages only up to $417,000, and Congress -- so far -- hasn't acted to lift that limit despite distress in that market that has made jumbo mortgages at "somewhat tighter terms and higher prices," as Mr. Bernanke put it.

As an alternative to lifting that $417,000 cap, Mr. Bernanke offered a surprise answer to questions on Capitol Hill. He suggested that Congress could consider allowing the companies, known as "government sponsored enterprises," buy mortgages of as much as $1 million from lenders, pay the government a fee for guaranteeing them and then turn them into securities to be sold to investors.

"That would be, I think, of some assistance to the mortgage market," the Fed chairman said. "From the federal government's point of view, it would be taking on some credit risk, which you may or may not be willing to do." He added, "It would be a good idea to make the GSEs ultimately responsible for some, any excess losses, or some part of excess losses, relative to the premiums that are paid."

Mr. Bernanke's idea is significant because it could potentially extend the government's support and exposure to the mortgage market.... For years, the Fed and the Bush Treasury have complained that investors believe the companies have an implicit government guarantee of their debt. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac purchase loans on the secondary market and either package them into securities or hold them in their portfolios, which now total $1.4 trillion.

Sen. Charles Schumer (D., N.Y.), chairman of the Joint Economic Committee, where Mr. Bernanke was testifying, said he would consider introducing a bill very soon to accomplish Mr. Bernanke's suggestion. "I think that's a very good idea," Sen. Schumer said.

Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D., N.Y.), who chairs the relevant subcommittee in the House, endorsed the plan. She said Mr. Bernanke's idea could be added to a broader legislative effort to overhaul oversight of the companies.

The House of Representatives has already passed such a measure but it has had little traction in the Senate.

A spokesman for Fannie said the company will seek more information on Mr. Bernanke's idea.

The Treasury and Freddie Mac had no comment.

Write to Damian Paletta at damian.paletta@dowjones.com

The huge writedowns to EPS we're seeing now, although large, are nearly all one-time hits concentrated among financials (and GM), unlike in a recession where there's persistent widespread weakness.

1] In my opinion, the write downs are not one time. All those who wrote down said there may be more to come.

2] It's hard to believe employers will continue to maintain payrolls/plans that are dependent on ABCP (down $300B?). Add to that profit made my finacials on ABCP last year.

3] In a credit cycle banks have to do well.

Of course, I still believe we'll make a bottom this coming week, followed by a run to new ATHs.

Optimistic Joe

Don't fight the tape or sentiment, the hedgies have mostly gone bearish, down volume is blowing up.

Better to sit on the sidelines until after Christmas before surveying the landscape.

YUM and MCDonalds are a nice way to benefit from a weakening dollar due to overseas strength.

Another relevant Kinks song

*Wasn't there something about Q3 2006 that was gonna queer out the Q3 2007 number?

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"The idiot Bernanke has a new idea that he floated to Congress. Was there a discussion of this on CR ? If so I probably missed that."

Bernanke is NOT an idiot. He is an agent of BFNYC and he is doing his job better than Greenspan in serving his real masters. Americans are simply in denial about...

A system of the crooks, by the crooks, and for the crooks.

Once you understand the true nature of the American econo-political system you would have no problem with Bernanke and the Fed. Just look at how well BFNYC have done under Greenspan-Bernanke compared with the rest and you will get your confirmation.

Jas

Sebastian -
You are wrong.
Earnings declined prior to a GDP contraction in each of the past 2 recessions - we had an earnings decline commence (as compared to both prior year and prior period as we do now) prior to the 90-91 recession and the 2001 recession - please review your data - its quite clear and a pretty strong leading indicator.
You are also ignoring the fact that those historical GDP numbers prior to and during those recessions were restated downward several quarters later which further underscores the issue. I suspect we will see the same type of downward revision for Q3 2007 particularly considering the anemic GDP deflator and earnings declines.
Prior to the last 2 recessions quarterly earnings growth declined over prior year (and prior period) before we saw any decline in GDP. That is the fact - so what we are seeing now with earnings growth (or lack thereof) is exactly what we would see prior to a recession. The only time in the past 20 years where we saw a quarterly earnings decline over both prior period and prior year that didn't occur immediately prior to a recession or during a recession was late 1998 (I believe Q3) - and that was only a one quarter decline. If Q4 2007 sees another decline (which I expect it will given the financial disclosures of late) then it will be another recession indicator going off among many. Also, if you are going to bounce financial losses out of the earnings declines then back out financial earnings from historical earnings as well as foreign currency gains since they are purely financial gains. You will not see a pretty picture of earnings growth for the past several years. Back financials, MEW and credit expansion out of GDP too - that way you can back out all the benefit and the losses of the financials. That will be equally as ugly.
Dont back out financial earnings (or should I say losses) when its inconvenient - financials had an immense amount to do with the growth in both earnings and GDP that we saw in the past several years and will have an equally important role when the cycle turns. It seems to me as if the data in a myriad of places is indicating that we are at the end of expansion. You are certainly entitled to disagree, but dont try to say we will see a GDP decline before an earnings decline (that wasn't true in either of the last 2 recessions) or that the massive losses of the financials are "one-time" (they're not - read the news from the past couple weeks) or irrelevant (they are very relevant - huge loan losses lead to a contraction in credit which ALWAYS leads to a slowdown - particularly in an economy SO dependent on debt).
I dont buy much of the doom and gloom I read in these comments, but it is very clear to me that we are very close to (and possibly in) a recession that will probably last longer and be more severe than the last 2.
Sorry for sounding like a jerk.

barely said: "We are right now standing right on the fragile ledge, peering over into the deep abyss of certain recession."

I'd go so far as to say we're standing on a fragile ledge peering over into the deep abyss of a 500+ point down-day in the DJIA.Smile But definitely not a recession.

FWIW, recessions in the past few decades have typically begun with a simultaneous steep drop in both the DOW and consumer confidence. We saw both those things last week. It doesn't mean we're in a recession, but it's definitely worth scratching your head over, I think.

My belief is that one morning you wake up and everybody's a bear. That's how recessions typically start.

Idea of Jumbo-Loan Guarantee Is Floated

It's worth reiterating -- having the Fed monetize bad loans is equivalent to printing money.

You might be looking at your helicopter right there.

Such policy would make me reconsider holding any USD denominated assets.

Yes, keeping your currency low has helped you to get a competitive advantage in manufacturing all sorts of products. But at some point it will make more sense to have a stronger currency.

That day will be when we consume less and produce more.

I'd love to have dinner with Maudlin and ask him point blank... Okay how else do you suppose to balance the current account deficit? Or is the rest of the world supposed to toil on for us in mines and factories sending us their hard labor in cheap plasmas and oil... and we send them back what? CDOs and ABS backed by our inflated homes which we pay for how?

The dollar devaluing is the key part of the story. Embrace it - its the only way out.

Also, it isn't as much about 'saving US manufacturing' as it is about consuming less. The message world commodity and currency markets are sending to America...

"You want consume more than start making something WE want... not more homes in the Inland Empire. Else consume less. Thank you. Signed - The Rest Of The World."

Other than Proshares, do you guys/gals know of any "ultra short" funds?
REBear

sp 500 futures

no big fees, little commission, and no one says you need put up minimum margin
you decide how 'Ultra' you want it to be

Sebastian -
You are wrong.

Sorry for sounding like a jerk.
Anonymous

Everything in between was unnecessary

for those keeping track of our overseas buddies-

Business Week Online > File Not Found

Nastech's stock was slaughtered after this negative development. I was quite surprised to learn about Procter's decision. I believe Nastech was, too, because Nastech CEO Steven Quay had recently noted his company was in talks with P&G to decide how to proceed with PTH. Readers who own Nastech will doubtless want more information about what to do, and here are my thoughts:

First, I would not buy the stock right now, because there's too much up in the air. This important development has ramifications for how the company proceeds and may affect what it does with its RNAi spinoff, etc. There are too many moving parts to make a final decision on the stock. But if somebody has an inordinately large position, perhaps they should get smaller.

Hopefully, in the next week or two, the best course of action will become clearer. Then I will evaluate what news is forthcoming and decide what to do -- whether that be to buy more shares, to sell them or to just sit tight.

At the time of publication, Bill Fleckenstein owned shares of Nastech Pharmaceutical.

Stage is set for a stock crash - MSN Money

Got to love it when a long term bear gets his head handed to him by being long in a stock he was pumping. LOL

Risk - I saw that. That's their mode of 'denial'... they don't want the RMB to appreciate so as to still be able to export lights out & run a huge CAS... but also don't want the 'inflation' a huge increase in money supply from that surplus incurs... so they come up with a simple solution... 'bury it' in the vaults of their banks via increased reserve reqs.

When I really think the BB and the fed are stupid I turn to other CBs in comparison... there is no monopoly on short sighted stoopidity any where on this globe.

The dollar devaluing is the key part of the story. Embrace it - its the only way out.

I prefer to short it myself but that just me. As our illustrious Treasury secretary is fond of saying the dollar should trade on the fundamentals and the fundamentals for the lack of a better word suk and have since 2003. I imagine with the coming slowdown any gains made in the trade deficit will be offset by more government spending there by increasing the budget deficit and will still need 3B a day from foreign investors.

"You want consume more than start making something WE want... not more homes in the Inland Empire. Else consume less. Thank you. Signed - The Rest Of The World."

I think Asia is quite content with the way things are...

REBear, Rydex, in addition to ProShares, offers inverse funds:

Rydex SGI :: Essential for Modern Markets

To Anon who finished with,

"Sorry for sounding like a jerk."

If you're going to produce such gold, post a name. If you're familiar with the Jim Rome show, you just one the financial version of the smack off:

Smack-Off - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Absolutely, bloody brilliant.

Oh, and btw how was what you wrote being a jerk? If someone shouts "Looko out!" when you're about to step in front of a bus, is that someone a jerk?

Cheers,

Ooops,

Shouldbe:

you just won the financial version of the smack off

OT - The KEY headline this week, aside from the Fed suggesting $1M limits for GSE loans is an appropriate sum to promote home ownership among the less well heeled, was Capital One's alarming increase in credit card delinquencies, up 20% in Oct alone over the Q3 number. That is the confirmation we needed to see to illustrate how reliant the consumer has been on MEW for cash flow to simply get by.

I expect that number to skyrocket in the coming months, as resets hit and cards hit the limits. American consumers are officially MAXED OUT.

I prefer to short it myself but that just me.

I'd say that's 'embracing' the situation. I can't argue with that reasoning. I don't do it but sure understand why some would.

I imagine with the coming slowdown any gains made in the trade deficit will be offset by more government spending there by increasing the budget deficit and will still need 3B a day from foreign investors.

Just increasing the federal deficit and borrowing more money is by itself NOT constraining consumption... So look for even MORE dollar fall as a result of larger deficits or tax increases (so less debt is issued and less demand for debt)... Either one gets you to lower consumption.

I think Asia is quite content with the way things are...
BabaBooey | 11.10.07 - 2:41 pm | #

But they thought they were getting something of 'value' in exchange - little did they know they were busting their ass in dirt floor factories to ship us stuff we paid for with OTHER promises from us to pay for our homes with jobs we have making & financing making our homes with their money...

Now how does that work again?

I think it has been a slow process for them to GROK how messed up this is... but my feeling is the currency & commodity markets have already made that leap... and they got there faster than our equity markets, the fed or even the US consumer public... but they'll get there too, pretty soon I'd guess.

ba_lurker: He suggested that Congress could consider allowing the companies, known as "government sponsored enterprises," buy mortgages of as much as $1 million from lenders, pay the government a fee for guaranteeing them and then turn them into securities to be sold to investors.

"That would be, I think, of some assistance to the mortgage market," the Fed chairman said. "From the federal government's point of view, it would be taking on some credit risk, which you may or may not be willing to do." He added, "It would be a good idea to make the GSEs ultimately responsible for some, any excess losses, or some part of excess losses, relative to the premiums that are paid."

I have a better idea. Why not allow The Federal Reserve the authority to hire some thugs that could comb the streets of America, robbing people of the money in their wallet. Oh wait, that sounds way too obvious. Need to think of something more subtle and indirect... something deviously inflationary...

dryfly,

"Just increasing the federal deficit and borrowing more money is by itself NOT constraining consumption"

Define constraining consumption. It does shift consumption forward which narrows the capital structure, as there's only so much produced at any given time, and since all gov't spending is consumption (the gov't CANNOT invest, in the entrepreneurial sense) then such spending robs the higher orders of production of capital needed for expanding capacity.

Thus those projects that might be undertaken but for Gov't spending will inhibit consumption in the private sector. Certainly, at least initially, Gov't + Private consumption will show no decline, however, productive capacity will decline, thus necessitating lower consumption down the road. Also known as eating one's seed corn.

With fiat, this shows up as growing trade deficits. When one possesses the world reserve currency things can get quite out of hand.

Gah, I'm even boring myself with this post.

Cheers,

Thus those projects that might be undertaken but for Gov't spending will inhibit consumption in the private sector. Certainly, at least initially, Gov't + Private consumption will show no decline, however, productive capacity will decline, thus necessitating lower consumption down the road. Also known as eating one's seed corn.

I agree with that. But that's why consumption here and now NEEDS to be constrained - by the private public (us) or the gov't or some of both. The currency markets via dollar fall and commodity markets (via increases) is telling us this.

And I don't see large corporations being much different than gov't - they are both just large institutions (groups of people) that consume a lot and invest a little. The distinction we place on 'private' and 'public' are in my mind arbitrary.

Regardless we have to make more and/or consume less STUFF - all of us collectively here in the US - regardless of how it denominated. The imbalances are saying that.

If we had freely trading currencies - we'd probably be there now, or at least a whole lot closer. Then a pretty good machinist in Shanghai making 8 RMB an hour would be able to buy almost the same stuff as a pretty good American machinist making $16/hr doing the same thing... but you wouldn't still have an exchange rate where one dollar equals 8 RMB.

There are not a lot of ways to get to a stable world economy... all involve the dollar re-balancing with other currencies - that means DOWN at least initially.

Then a pretty good machinist in Shanghai making 8 RMB an hour would be able to buy almost the same stuff as a pretty good American machinist making $16/hr doing the same thing... but you wouldn't still have an exchange rate where one dollar equals 8 RMB.

dryfly,

I disagree. It won't happen until China has roughly the same GDP per capita as the USA. Even though this particular machinist may be as productive as the American equivalent (which is probably far from being true anyway), the whole economy is less productive and hence cannot support the same wages (even taking into account difference in prices).

I stumbled upon this Christmas song today. Worth a listen!

MALAY RIDE [Holiday Shopping]

I disagree. It won't happen until China has roughly the same GDP per capita as the USA.

Nope. If you believe Ricardo & comparative advantage and there exists an actual free and open trading environment (free movement of goods and capital with market transparency) ... The only difference then in earnings will be due to productivity differences.

Real wages at the same productivity level will asymptote worldwide due to arbitrage in currency exchanges. GDP per capita will be a function of this NOT the driver. Currency manipulation via CBs and other trade barriers slow this process but can't stop it...

Folks might hate it or love it but whatever you think about it - its happening.

StagMark - I think I'll go around my working class neighborhood caroling that tune... got a flack jacket you can lend me?

got a flack jacket you can lend me?

Only American made of course... Wink

Nice! Would pay rapidly depreciating dollars for a Bernanke remix.

dryfly,

I think I'll go around my working class neighborhood caroling that tune... got a flack jacket you can lend me?

Had I been drinking something at the time I read that I'm confident I would have sprayed it!

I don't know what's funnier (more tragic), the idea that you want a flack jacket or the idea that you wish for me to enter the lending business. LOL! Wink

Alot of people think that they are "in" financial trouble the day they can't pay their bills, or the day that they can't afford the house anymore. However, the truth is that they are truly "in" financial trouble the day they bought the house, committed to the debt.

Much like the Thunderbird #6 pilot who decided to do a split-s 1000 feet too low in late 2003. Even though he was 1670 feet above the ground, once he pointed the nose down there was nothing he could do to save the situation but determine the impact zone of his aircraft.

dryfly,

No. Free trade and no currency manipulation is not enough. The machinist in China competes with millions of guys who are unproductive (but could be productive when given proper tools) who earn the very same 8 RMB. You cannot pay this machinist more (because the millions would gladly take his job) and you cannot make the 8 RMB buy the same stuff as $16 because these unproductive guys cannot support such wages.

Even lifting labor movement restrictions is not enough for equalizing wages.
I come form a country where you can find a lot of jobs that are as productive as in the West but pay less because the total productivity is lower. Despite no currency manipulation and (almost) free labor movement. This is due to the fact that the labor is not perfectly elastic. Even though a guy may get more doing the same job in UK, he may stay due to noneconomic (e.g cultural) reasons.

Optimistic Joe wrote:

CME housing futures - could that be a topic for a post?

Great idea--would be very interesting.

No. Free trade and no currency manipulation is not enough. The machinist in China competes with millions of guys who are unproductive (but could be productive when given proper tools) who earn the very same 8 RMB. You cannot pay this machinist more (because the millions would gladly take his job) and you cannot make the 8 RMB buy the same stuff as $16 because these unproductive guys cannot support such wages.

Poszi - while I agree with your analysis it is incomplete... the first guy who should lose his job under your scenario would be guy in the US making $16/hr... and every other US machinist at that rate until the last low wage Chinese is hired.

Remember we are talking a price transparent market where goods can flow... so why make parts in the US as long as the guy in China does it for 1/20th in currency adjusted terms? Assuming no trade barriers.

So a lot of people in China get hired... and if the currency is allowed to adjust it will reflect this... the earning power of the Chinese increase and the earning power of the US decreases. Assuming no manipulation that is...

Eventually they come out a wash as has happened between US and Japan. Some of the highest paid laborers on earth (in real parity terms) are in Japan - wasn't the case in 1960. You've seen both their currency strengthen AND their wags go up in real buying power.

That is real life and its going to happen here too. Currency manipulation slows that process - it increase unemployment in the US while helping to artificially 'support' the wages received by those here still working... Meanwhile it depresses real currency weighted wage growth in places like China but does afford them higher job growth numbers.

Fewer work here for more while more work their for less... that's what manipulation accomplishes.

Wages aren't the only factor in production but in the long run it will be the driver pushing parity across borders since many of the other costs (energy, raw materials and even capital & technology) are fully arbitraged around the world. Fixed currency regimes slow & distort this process of reaching full parity.

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