Mr. Kohn seems to be under the delusion that Fed policy has short term effects. If you take the view that effects of rate changes, for instance, are not felt for months, then 'nimbleness' at the Fed is a silly idea. "Principled" would be nice, but alas....
Wednesday, November 28, 2007
Another Judge Gets Tough With Bank on Foreclosures
The sighting of a robin does not make a spring, nor do that actions of four judges constitute a trend. Nevertheless, the fact that some courts are taking a harder look at foreclosure practices may foretell a shift in attitudes.
Gretchen Morgenson, in "Foreclosures by Lender Investigated," appears to have her facts right. Morgenson is often criticized by Tanta at Calculated Risk for mischaracterizing mortgage finance practices, but here Morgenson is dealing with court filings, and she usually does a good job with them.
However, one can take issue with the headline and her emphasis in this piece. Indeed, one has to question why a mere two foreclosures merits attention from the New York Times. Morgenson thinks it's noteworthy because the United States Trustee decided to investigate Countrywide, the plaintiff in the two foreclosures.
While I enjoy Countrywide-bashing as much as the next guy, there is every indication that Countrywide was not alone in the practices at issue. So what makes this story interesting is that it is another example of a subtle shift in power in the judicial system. The plaintiffs have considerably more resources than the mortgage holders, most of whom cannot mount a fight. But judges may be starting to recognize that that power imbalance has led many banks to be sloppy, presumptuous, and at times extortionate, and at least a jurists are holding their feet to the fire.
In this case, the issue was charges Countrywide added to mortgage balance in two bankruptcy filings. When the borrowers objected, Countrywide did not appear at the hearing, leading the judge to remove those costs. Countrywide's failure to respond piqued the interest of the bankruptcy trustee, leading to the investigation. Note the judge ruled against Countrywide's objections to trustee's subpoenas Another Judge Gets Tough With Bank on Foreclosures « naked capitalism
Cut or no cut, it's too late. From Jan 2001 until 2003 we saw significant action-provoking rate cuts, but we also saw credit troubles and an equity bear market in the exact same period.
A rate cut, if it filters into the system well, raises the value of every asset. But this is only sure to have an impact under the efficient market hypothesis. Otherwise, the predominant force should be, not a rate cut, but the return to reality (i.e. a more 'efficient' price for assets). As this bust continues, we are discovering the real values of HELOCs, CDO paper, whatever... stocks too. And this goes on.
Looking at the broker outpost forums mortgage rate (30 year fixed) have come down. They're seeing 5.875% wholesale, and 6.1% to the consumer. They expect it to decline further especially if the fed cuts. Reignition of asset inflation if continued?
Absolutely the Fed should cut and cut big. Main street should not suffer from the actions of Wall Street. Moral Hazard? Not to worry. A rate cut will not bail out the Investment Banks. They are being punished. Perhaps the global financial center will shift to Dubai.
Kohn today compared to Evans and Plosser yesterday - big split. That big split was also evident in the decision to ease in October - it almost didn't get done. YTL draws a reasonable conclusion - when in doubt, ease. Kohn said something today about policy leaning when there is "risk in the tails" which seems right along the line YTL suggests. Another, more simplistic rule would be "you got your way last time, Donny!" That would mean the Fed standing pat.
My guess is also that the Fed will ease by 25 bps, but I don't think they have come close to deciding that yet. If they had, they'd go ahead and tell us. That is the business they are in these days.
What I suspect is holding some back is this notion that they are following market pricing rather than their own judgement. If, after a split decision in October and lots of protestation since, they ease in December in accordance with money market pricing, they are going to have a very hard time convincing anybody that they do anything more than follow market dictates. That is a very bad position for a central bank to be in. Over the long haul, giving market expectations a good smack now would probably pay dividends. I'm just not sure these guys have what it takes to pay a short term price to make long-term gains, especially in an election season.
The Fed has yet to defy the markets. As soon as the Fed does not cut when the market has priced that into its assumptions, I'll consider it an independent institution, but until (if) that happens I'll consider it an appendange of Wall Street.
For those who have a vested interest in the markets, best to simply assume that the markets will get their way, rather than take a chance and bet that the Fed will wake up and reclaim its independence.
bsneath - not sure how cutting big is going to help main street. Cutting big will just aggravate inflation and make it impossible to take a vacation anywhere outside the US as your dollar's dive worsens. On the other hand, cutting big does enable the IBs to exit any long equity positions they want to get out of at better prices, so that main street gets to hold the bag when prices fall back down again, which they inevitably must.
bsneath - not sure how cutting big is going to help main street. Cutting big will just aggravate inflation and make it impossible to take a vacation anywhere outside the US as your dollar's dive worsens. - sterlingerl
Ummm it's not the fed's job to make it painless to stroll the Champs-Élysées. Sorry. That kinda thing and imports exceeding exports are a big part of 'the problem'. We consume too much - including travel - and produce too little.
But I agree - it isn't 100% certain another cut helps Main Street more than Wall Street.
I agree with you... there will be lots of arguing...
which makes the inevitable 25 bps cut so much more ironic...
Fed fooled me once and twice... shame on them... NO more though.
I USED to read the Fed at face value. If the tone of the Fed governor speeches were hawkish: then a raise or hold was forthcoming. If they were sounding dovish, then a cut.
But the last two meetings had significant hawkish governor speeches preceding it, and yet we had cuts.
Thus, IMO we'll only get a hold when we hear nearly unanimous hawkish speeches.
The reason: if we get a "surprise" raise, or a "surprise" hold (remember, the market has priced in a 125% plus chance of cut) then we'll get a huge stock selloff/possible panic.
Therefore, in order to hold or raise the FFR without crashing the markets, the Fed must do EVERYTHING in its power to warn us in advance that a hold/raise is coming... it's part of their new 'transparency' campaign, right?
Today Kohn undid everything that Plosser et al have been indicating. The market reacted predictably, with an immediate bump up. He HAS to have known that this would happen. He CANNOT be that stupid. If the plan were to hold soon, I'm sure the other governors would gag him or write his speech for him or something...
Thus, cut.
we will not see a hold until EVERY Fed governor is speaking hawkishly. (is hawkishly a word?)
but you'd think he MUST have some handlers who can be smart for him... kind of like Brittney Spears used to... remember... like when she was popular? (and we thought she was hot and somewhat classy, as opposed to a trashy little girl)
c'mon Fed... be our Starlet... not our trashy little girl.
That said, the Fed does seem to be listening to her music and applying it to their decisions:
"Hit me baby one more time!"
"Oops, I did it again"
"I'm a slave 4 U"
"I've Just Begun"
Justin asked: "Looking at the broker outpost forums mortgage rate (30 year fixed) have come down. They're seeing 5.875% wholesale, and 6.1% to the consumer. They expect it to decline further especially if the fed cuts. Reignition of asset inflation if continued?"
I think so, and the big surprise will be in the "housing" class. Fed easing may not be enough to bring back the boom days, but it'll be enough to arrest the slide in home prices.
Okay, if they are going to cut rates to "arrest the slide in home prices" tell me how that happens? Are we all getting 50% raises to make up for the "new, permanently housing prices" that you are claiming will exist? Are we going to bring back toxic loans?
I just don't see it: inflation is raging and will continue to get worse as the Fed cuts itself into oblivion, and the eCONomy is now based upon shuffling debt around (for the rich) and minimum wage, service-sectors jobs with no benefits or advancement for most people. Okay, there's a small and ever-shrinking middle class in there somewhere, and I am sure that hyperinflation will take care of that problem. Point being how can run-away inflation (the end result of massive Fed cuts) possibly fix any problem? We are NOT seeing wage inflation, toxic loans are NOT coming back, and $4 a gallon gas and its ripple effects through the economy is NOT going to let the sinking middle and lower classes off the hook. In that type of environment, housing will crash.
Cut to inflate and help the financial companies but it will not help home owners as long term rates have not moved down 75 bps. Also, available credit has been reduced due to failing financial firms and tighten credit issues. By Jan or Feb next year, I expect that the FED will state that the USA was in a recession starting in Nov or Dec.
Pondering the Mess said: "Okay, if they are going to cut rates to "arrest the slide in home prices" tell me how that happens?..."
The people who have been waiting for lower housing prices and more-affordable monthly payments (from low interest rates on a mortgage) will come into the market and start buying.
That's the way it works, with two sides to the supply/demand equation, although you'd never know it from reading this blog.
Sebastian,there is also a pyschological component to markets which is important.When everyone "knows" an asset will be cheaper next week,and everyone knows of someone who got burned buying that asset class it can introduce some hesitancy in potential buyers...
I'm one of the people sitting on the sidelines waiting to buy. There aren't many of us left, because anyone with a hankering and a pulse in the last 5 years probably already has bought.
I stayed on the sidelines as the 'comfort of being a homeowner and being able to paint my walls' didn't overcome the fact I'd be paying twice as much for a place 30 mins further travel from work, than if I stayed renting. And I don't see $3500+ per month price gains in the future to compensate for that, insurance, maintenance, taxes and hassle.
I really want to buy, but won't do it at these prices. Or 10% off. Or 15% off. I've watched as the "won't buy at these prices" crowd dwindled over the years, but reached steady state about 2 years ago. Whoever is left is there by choice.
Anyone that's waited until now is like me - they'll wait a few more years until people beg us to buy their house, and our relatives give us stern warnings when we say we'll be buying, probably sometime in 2011.
It doesn't matter if I pay 4%, 5% or 6% interest on a house that's vastly overpriced. I can't afford it.
That doesn't mean I can't buy it, with a dangerous loan, but I can't afford it. Unless I can guarantee continual employment for 30 years, no illness, above inflation pay rises, no accidents, no kids, no holidays, and no discretionary spending.
At this point, interest rates are pretty irrelevant to me. It's the price that counts.
I enjoy reading these comments released from the Feddies and their effect, almost immediately, on the markets. I know, the market fuels itself on speculation, but nothing has actually been done.
I hope the Fed makes the right decision on the FF rate next month. It almost seems like a "damned if you do, damned if you don't situation". Cutting the rate is going to put even more pressure on the battered USD, thus pushing inflation even higher. I know we have some serious domestic financial issues that would benefit from a cut, but I hope that the Fed takes a multi-lateral view on this cut and how it may affect other aspects.
This is my first post on any blog ever and I am a student. Any comments or criticism would be greatly appreciated!
Sebastian: lowering the interest rate on a 30 year fixed by 50 or 100 basis points won't get people back in the market when it has been driven by interest only/option arm/teaser rate/ultra high LTV and DTI for the past couple of years. A 30 year fully amortized loan at 5% will still have a much higher payment than an option ARM at 7% with an initial teaser.
I'm talking the worst-off bubble markets here, which we would all expect to have the most downside. Smaller markets that didn't have such drastic increases might indeed be goosed a bit by lower rates.
Nothing is moving above conforming if the median price drop is any indication, the demand side is crushed(even though we'll likely see a rise next in next months's data) thru flippers denied credit and those w/ financing sitting on the sideline.
demand crushed, supply exploding, credir witdrawn; any guess to the new eqilibrium direction?
It isn't schadenfreude we feel, it's pity towards the scheissekopfs who couldn't see this happening.
Heck, I was waaay down on Citi and they're worse than even I imagined.
...but it'll be enough to arrest the slide in home prices.
Baloney. The builders went apeshit to satisfy the demand for property among 1) people who never should have gotten loans in the first place, under any conditions, and 2) speculators. The borrowers formerly known as "subprime" are not returning to the scene of their crimes, and prices are falling which removes speculators from the scene. Home prices will continue to fall well into 2009, if not beyond. And there is nothing the Fed can do about it.
The people who have been waiting for lower housing prices and more-affordable monthly payments (from low interest rates on a mortgage) will come into the market and start buying.
That's the way it works, with two sides to the supply/demand equation, although you'd never know it from reading this blog.
Many of those same people are no doubt waiting on the sidelines for afforable health insurance. There's ~45 million of them.
Perhaps we could combine the two concepts into a super fund and allow the general public to fund it.
Buy one house at the regular price, and get free health insurance for life!
Of course, as you say you'd never know it from reading this blog!
you said it sister
Mr. Kohn seems to be under the delusion that Fed policy has short term effects. If you take the view that effects of rate changes, for instance, are not felt for months, then 'nimbleness' at the Fed is a silly idea. "Principled" would be nice, but alas....
Wednesday, November 28, 2007
Another Judge Gets Tough With Bank on Foreclosures
The sighting of a robin does not make a spring, nor do that actions of four judges constitute a trend. Nevertheless, the fact that some courts are taking a harder look at foreclosure practices may foretell a shift in attitudes.
Gretchen Morgenson, in "Foreclosures by Lender Investigated," appears to have her facts right. Morgenson is often criticized by Tanta at Calculated Risk for mischaracterizing mortgage finance practices, but here Morgenson is dealing with court filings, and she usually does a good job with them.
However, one can take issue with the headline and her emphasis in this piece. Indeed, one has to question why a mere two foreclosures merits attention from the New York Times. Morgenson thinks it's noteworthy because the United States Trustee decided to investigate Countrywide, the plaintiff in the two foreclosures.
While I enjoy Countrywide-bashing as much as the next guy, there is every indication that Countrywide was not alone in the practices at issue. So what makes this story interesting is that it is another example of a subtle shift in power in the judicial system. The plaintiffs have considerably more resources than the mortgage holders, most of whom cannot mount a fight. But judges may be starting to recognize that that power imbalance has led many banks to be sloppy, presumptuous, and at times extortionate, and at least a jurists are holding their feet to the fire.
In this case, the issue was charges Countrywide added to mortgage balance in two bankruptcy filings. When the borrowers objected, Countrywide did not appear at the hearing, leading the judge to remove those costs. Countrywide's failure to respond piqued the interest of the bankruptcy trustee, leading to the investigation. Note the judge ruled against Countrywide's objections to trustee's subpoenas
Another Judge Gets Tough With Bank on Foreclosures « naked capitalism
Cut or no cut, it's too late. From Jan 2001 until 2003 we saw significant action-provoking rate cuts, but we also saw credit troubles and an equity bear market in the exact same period.
And to think only yesterday Plosser was saying that the Fed was not going to lower rates...or at least that the Fed can't solve these problems.
Things must be much worse than any of us outsiders know.
Cheers,
It doesn't matter whether they cut. Mortgage rates have barely moved during this bond rally from 4.40% to 3.80%.
It may be time to implement the first rule of being in a hole- stop digging.
Fed speaking out of both sides again.
this means a cut. 25% of course... slow so as not to spook the markets... but "surprise" enough to give short term market bursts...
it would seem a sensible strategy is to go long the week or so before a rate decision, then the obvious rate cut happens, and a few days later sell
oh wait... looking at the last DJIA and S&P charts I guess everyone already figured that one out...
A rate cut, if it filters into the system well, raises the value of every asset. But this is only sure to have an impact under the efficient market hypothesis. Otherwise, the predominant force should be, not a rate cut, but the return to reality (i.e. a more 'efficient' price for assets). As this bust continues, we are discovering the real values of HELOCs, CDO paper, whatever... stocks too. And this goes on.
probert, that's not the point. It's not too late for the fed to duck the blame when the hammer comes down.
Alex,
You're right, I forgot my cynicism at home this morning.
you mean "raises the dollar value", but if the $ depreciates as a result it doesn't raise the value viewed internationally, does it?
"Wall Street surges on rate cut hopes:
Possibility for lower rates outweighs economic concern"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3683270/
And right above it:
"BREAKING NEWS: Existing-homes sales fall again, median home prices drop sharply"
Might as well have a nice flashing "Suckers Rally Surges Forward" banner next to the title?
The Fed, in its attempt to protect the "economy", will quite directly trash the dollar.
Feels like the 70s. Now, where are my bellbottoms.
Looking at the broker outpost forums mortgage rate (30 year fixed) have come down. They're seeing 5.875% wholesale, and 6.1% to the consumer. They expect it to decline further especially if the fed cuts. Reignition of asset inflation if continued?
Absolutely the Fed should cut and cut big. Main street should not suffer from the actions of Wall Street. Moral Hazard? Not to worry. A rate cut will not bail out the Investment Banks. They are being punished. Perhaps the global financial center will shift to Dubai.
I predict that whatever their action, their vote won't be unanimous.
Kohn today compared to Evans and Plosser yesterday - big split. That big split was also evident in the decision to ease in October - it almost didn't get done. YTL draws a reasonable conclusion - when in doubt, ease. Kohn said something today about policy leaning when there is "risk in the tails" which seems right along the line YTL suggests. Another, more simplistic rule would be "you got your way last time, Donny!" That would mean the Fed standing pat.
My guess is also that the Fed will ease by 25 bps, but I don't think they have come close to deciding that yet. If they had, they'd go ahead and tell us. That is the business they are in these days.
What I suspect is holding some back is this notion that they are following market pricing rather than their own judgement. If, after a split decision in October and lots of protestation since, they ease in December in accordance with money market pricing, they are going to have a very hard time convincing anybody that they do anything more than follow market dictates. That is a very bad position for a central bank to be in. Over the long haul, giving market expectations a good smack now would probably pay dividends. I'm just not sure these guys have what it takes to pay a short term price to make long-term gains, especially in an election season.
The Fed has yet to defy the markets. As soon as the Fed does not cut when the market has priced that into its assumptions, I'll consider it an independent institution, but until (if) that happens I'll consider it an appendange of Wall Street.
For those who have a vested interest in the markets, best to simply assume that the markets will get their way, rather than take a chance and bet that the Fed will wake up and reclaim its independence.
bsneath - not sure how cutting big is going to help main street. Cutting big will just aggravate inflation and make it impossible to take a vacation anywhere outside the US as your dollar's dive worsens. On the other hand, cutting big does enable the IBs to exit any long equity positions they want to get out of at better prices, so that main street gets to hold the bag when prices fall back down again, which they inevitably must.
And to think only yesterday Plosser was saying that the Fed was not going to lower rates...or at least that the Fed can't solve these problems. - Mise
Fed speaking out of both sides again.
this means a cut. 25% of course - YTL
There might be honest disagreement on the board. Make for an interesting meeting.
bsneath - not sure how cutting big is going to help main street. Cutting big will just aggravate inflation and make it impossible to take a vacation anywhere outside the US as your dollar's dive worsens. - sterlingerl
Ummm it's not the fed's job to make it painless to stroll the Champs-Élysées. Sorry. That kinda thing and imports exceeding exports are a big part of 'the problem'. We consume too much - including travel - and produce too little.
But I agree - it isn't 100% certain another cut helps Main Street more than Wall Street.
dryfly...
I agree with you... there will be lots of arguing...
which makes the inevitable 25 bps cut so much more ironic...
Fed fooled me once and twice... shame on them... NO more though.
I USED to read the Fed at face value. If the tone of the Fed governor speeches were hawkish: then a raise or hold was forthcoming. If they were sounding dovish, then a cut.
But the last two meetings had significant hawkish governor speeches preceding it, and yet we had cuts.
Thus, IMO we'll only get a hold when we hear nearly unanimous hawkish speeches.
The reason: if we get a "surprise" raise, or a "surprise" hold (remember, the market has priced in a 125% plus chance of cut) then we'll get a huge stock selloff/possible panic.
Therefore, in order to hold or raise the FFR without crashing the markets, the Fed must do EVERYTHING in its power to warn us in advance that a hold/raise is coming... it's part of their new 'transparency' campaign, right?
Today Kohn undid everything that Plosser et al have been indicating. The market reacted predictably, with an immediate bump up. He HAS to have known that this would happen. He CANNOT be that stupid. If the plan were to hold soon, I'm sure the other governors would gag him or write his speech for him or something...
Thus, cut.
we will not see a hold until EVERY Fed governor is speaking hawkishly. (is hawkishly a word?)
Yearning- "He CANNOT be that stupid."
Conjure Bag says, "Yes, he CAN be that stupid."
Note, however, that Conjure isn't arguing for or against the likelihood of a December rate cut.
ROFL.
ok, you got me on that one...
but you'd think he MUST have some handlers who can be smart for him... kind of like Brittney Spears used to... remember... like when she was popular? (and we thought she was hot and somewhat classy, as opposed to a trashy little girl)
c'mon Fed... be our Starlet... not our trashy little girl.
That said, the Fed does seem to be listening to her music and applying it to their decisions:
"Hit me baby one more time!"
"Oops, I did it again"
"I'm a slave 4 U"
"I've Just Begun"
Justin asked: "Looking at the broker outpost forums mortgage rate (30 year fixed) have come down. They're seeing 5.875% wholesale, and 6.1% to the consumer. They expect it to decline further especially if the fed cuts. Reignition of asset inflation if continued?"
I think so, and the big surprise will be in the "housing" class. Fed easing may not be enough to bring back the boom days, but it'll be enough to arrest the slide in home prices.
Sebastia
Okay, if they are going to cut rates to "arrest the slide in home prices" tell me how that happens? Are we all getting 50% raises to make up for the "new, permanently housing prices" that you are claiming will exist? Are we going to bring back toxic loans?
I just don't see it: inflation is raging and will continue to get worse as the Fed cuts itself into oblivion, and the eCONomy is now based upon shuffling debt around (for the rich) and minimum wage, service-sectors jobs with no benefits or advancement for most people. Okay, there's a small and ever-shrinking middle class in there somewhere, and I am sure that hyperinflation will take care of that problem. Point being how can run-away inflation (the end result of massive Fed cuts) possibly fix any problem? We are NOT seeing wage inflation, toxic loans are NOT coming back, and $4 a gallon gas and its ripple effects through the economy is NOT going to let the sinking middle and lower classes off the hook. In that type of environment, housing will crash.
Jack be nimble,Jack be quick,JACK,please put a condom on that candlestick,OUCH!
Cut to inflate and help the financial companies but it will not help home owners as long term rates have not moved down 75 bps. Also, available credit has been reduced due to failing financial firms and tighten credit issues. By Jan or Feb next year, I expect that the FED will state that the USA was in a recession starting in Nov or Dec.
Pondering the Mess said: "Okay, if they are going to cut rates to "arrest the slide in home prices" tell me how that happens?..."
The people who have been waiting for lower housing prices and more-affordable monthly payments (from low interest rates on a mortgage) will come into the market and start buying.
That's the way it works, with two sides to the supply/demand equation, although you'd never know it from reading this blog.
S.
Sebastian,there is also a pyschological component to markets which is important.When everyone "knows" an asset will be cheaper next week,and everyone knows of someone who got burned buying that asset class it can introduce some hesitancy in potential buyers...
"Fed easing may not be enough to bring back the boom days, but it'll be enough to arrest the slide in home prices."
You are a forward-looking person, Seb! Looking years ahead, I see.
Sebastian
I'm one of the people sitting on the sidelines waiting to buy. There aren't many of us left, because anyone with a hankering and a pulse in the last 5 years probably already has bought.
I stayed on the sidelines as the 'comfort of being a homeowner and being able to paint my walls' didn't overcome the fact I'd be paying twice as much for a place 30 mins further travel from work, than if I stayed renting. And I don't see $3500+ per month price gains in the future to compensate for that, insurance, maintenance, taxes and hassle.
I really want to buy, but won't do it at these prices. Or 10% off. Or 15% off. I've watched as the "won't buy at these prices" crowd dwindled over the years, but reached steady state about 2 years ago. Whoever is left is there by choice.
Anyone that's waited until now is like me - they'll wait a few more years until people beg us to buy their house, and our relatives give us stern warnings when we say we'll be buying, probably sometime in 2011.
I meant to add:
It doesn't matter if I pay 4%, 5% or 6% interest on a house that's vastly overpriced. I can't afford it.
That doesn't mean I can't buy it, with a dangerous loan, but I can't afford it. Unless I can guarantee continual employment for 30 years, no illness, above inflation pay rises, no accidents, no kids, no holidays, and no discretionary spending.
At this point, interest rates are pretty irrelevant to me. It's the price that counts.
I enjoy reading these comments released from the Feddies and their effect, almost immediately, on the markets. I know, the market fuels itself on speculation, but nothing has actually been done.
I hope the Fed makes the right decision on the FF rate next month. It almost seems like a "damned if you do, damned if you don't situation". Cutting the rate is going to put even more pressure on the battered USD, thus pushing inflation even higher. I know we have some serious domestic financial issues that would benefit from a cut, but I hope that the Fed takes a multi-lateral view on this cut and how it may affect other aspects.
This is my first post on any blog ever and I am a student. Any comments or criticism would be greatly appreciated!
Sebastian: lowering the interest rate on a 30 year fixed by 50 or 100 basis points won't get people back in the market when it has been driven by interest only/option arm/teaser rate/ultra high LTV and DTI for the past couple of years. A 30 year fully amortized loan at 5% will still have a much higher payment than an option ARM at 7% with an initial teaser.
I'm talking the worst-off bubble markets here, which we would all expect to have the most downside. Smaller markets that didn't have such drastic increases might indeed be goosed a bit by lower rates.
Nothing is moving above conforming if the median price drop is any indication, the demand side is crushed(even though we'll likely see a rise next in next months's data) thru flippers denied credit and those w/ financing sitting on the sideline.
demand crushed, supply exploding, credir witdrawn; any guess to the new eqilibrium direction?
It isn't schadenfreude we feel, it's pity towards the scheissekopfs who couldn't see this happening.
Heck, I was waaay down on Citi and they're worse than even I imagined.
...but it'll be enough to arrest the slide in home prices.
Baloney. The builders went apeshit to satisfy the demand for property among 1) people who never should have gotten loans in the first place, under any conditions, and 2) speculators. The borrowers formerly known as "subprime" are not returning to the scene of their crimes, and prices are falling which removes speculators from the scene. Home prices will continue to fall well into 2009, if not beyond. And there is nothing the Fed can do about it.
Sebastian,
The people who have been waiting for lower housing prices and more-affordable monthly payments (from low interest rates on a mortgage) will come into the market and start buying.
That's the way it works, with two sides to the supply/demand equation, although you'd never know it from reading this blog.
Many of those same people are no doubt waiting on the sidelines for afforable health insurance. There's ~45 million of them.
Perhaps we could combine the two concepts into a super fund and allow the general public to fund it.
Buy one house at the regular price, and get free health insurance for life!
Of course, as you say you'd never know it from reading this blog!
From the link: "...we should not hold the economy hostage to teach a small segment of the population a lesson"
Hmmm... seems like that 'small segment' is holding the economy hostage instead.
The Fed is being run by monkeys.