MMI: Earthquakes! Funerals! Jiffy Lube!

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I know you are frustrated with what's going on down in the other threads.

You haven't lost your sense of humor though.

I laughing uncontrollably now.

Great snarky comments Tanta!

The fuel? Foolishness.

Tanta, what stocks should I short today?

(sorry)

All this talk of liquidity and lubricants... and this used to be such a family friendly blog...

oops that shuld be, by gold

I dunno, I think the analogy works.

If money is the lubricant, then trust is the fuel. If this seems off, just think - we had IOUs before we had currency.

Or maybe I've got it all backward. Anyway, they are both (in)flammable.

I have a king pillowtop for sale cheap. Call me.

rcyran, money is an IOU!

I have taken Warren Zevon's advice from beyond the grave:

I own Lawyers, Guns, and Money.

Walmart has a great sale on ammo going on this week- they had an entire pallet of 12 gauge game loads out and ready for hunting season to kick off. Lots of folks going to be eating venison again, instead of steak.

Someday this war's gonna end...

Funny story,

Went to a domestic violence incident, where a husband just told his wife they are losing the house. He was in a $70,000 Cadillac Escalade he just bought, and he's busy racking up the credit cards, since he is losing his house and his credit, he's gonna ride it for all it's worth. He had a wad of cash from cash-advance credit card and was heading to vegas. (She didn't want the kids to go and called the cops.)

What's up with "seismic subprime casting a pall"? Some sort of volcanic activity? My guess is poor editing.

Should read, "seismic activity in subprime is foreshadowing massive movements of magma in the credit markets, which look set to blow in a paracylismic erruption the size of Krakatoa, casting a pall over the global economy.

I'd almost rather wash dishes than bring up religion again, but is there an editor in this country who knows what a pall is?

Average Joe- so did u advise him to load up on the shorts?

I don't need to watch market tickers anymore - whenever the visitor count at CR goes over 300 I know something is going DOWn!

And those 'wicked credit crunches' - aren't they the ones who cackle "And your little dog too, my pretty!"

A pall is someone you play gollf with.

we had IOUs before we had currency that and coercion. Can't have IOUs without the tthreat of retaliation - been around a lot longer than shiny metal. Wink

Plus, on the venison thing, some parts of the country never gave up shining deer... you see lotsa spot lights on trucks around here. And these folks aren't part of the sheriff's posse... though the sheriff & local game warden likely get a 'cut'... if you know what I mean.

My research shows that people aren't wearing enough hats.

I am long hats and headware in general.

Crimson Permanent Assurance

dryfly, have I ever admitted how much I love you?

"Plus, on the venison thing . . ."

Isn't a pall something you drape over a coffin? Must find dictionary here.....

scav, you got it in one. "To cast a pall over" something is respectfully to declare it dead and gone.

302 Calcoholics online.

And I'm done talking about my 401-k.

Avg Joe, I'm afraid that story will be repeated endless times across the country. The USA today is close to bankruptcy, economically and morally.

The ethos of "fuck you, hooray for me" has not been good for us.

But I thought it wasn't a credit crunch???

"Wicked" is the word that comes out of the mouths of kids raised in Dorchester when they get scared despite 10 years of college, b school and Beacon Hill re-education to sound like blue-blooded direct descendants of the Cabots and Lodges.

speaking of strangers who spell funny, i recommend u all sell ur money market funds and buy pork bellies. if they lose value, u can eat ur delicious assets!

The Crimson Permanent Assurance!

I wondered about that building sailing up 6th Avenue this morning.

But on the brighter side, Avg Joe's little domestic disputant is going to get quite a shock in bankruptcy court. Under the new laws, he ain't gonna get dismissals on the recent debt. If I were his wife I'd be doing more than calling the cops.

Robert Coté, I thought when Papa Bush said "wicked" he meant "cool." Or "excellent." Or possibly "rad."

Tanta -

Pall is either
A) a cloth put over a coffin.
B) (calling all ex-altar boys)the cloth you put over the wine during mass.

To be completely pedantic (please don't kill me!!), putting a pall over something is a symbol of reverence. It's not declaring it dead and gone - the whole point of B. is that the blood isn't gone.

signed,
lapsed Catholic

Mrs. Gary is from the Boston area, and she is wicked cool.

Bacon dreamz, should I call up Vanguard and ask if any of the holdings in my mutual fund are pork-belly backed commercial paper?

2002 - 2005 - the fuel was uber-easy monetary policy.
2005 - Q2/07 - the fuel was unusually low volatility, and a nice trend of steadily increasing profits, that allowed the financial world to over-reach and continue to provide the virtually unlimited credit central banks had been pumping into the system.
Now the whole edifice is out of fuel, and plunging back to earth from the stratosphere. The question to answer now is how big a crater will it leave?

Forbes? As in the same Steve Forbes who was saying, just this weekend on the Fox biz shows, how ridiculously small the problem was???

LOL! bacon dreamz is pumpin pork bellies.

Kudos also for rcryan's paracylismic prose...

my long-term investment stragegy is: long the taste of pig, short people who talk about their money market funds and stock positions on a blog all day.

Thanks Gary... I didn't think there was any chance of this groub of Uber... uh people to completely miss a MP reference!

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It's fun to charter an accountant
And sail the wide accountancy,
To find,
explore
the funds offshore
And skirt the shoals of bankruptcy!

It can be manly in insurance.
We'll up your premium semi-annually.
It's all tax deductible.
We're fairly incorruptible,
We're sailing on the wide accountancy!

rcyran, first of all, dixit anathema sit.

After that, my childhood memories of walking the dogma tell me that a "pall" is that which (respectfully, reverently, whichever you want) "erases" the material, physical body, which is now dust, so that the congregation may meditate upon the eternal soul.

I suspect that when most people use the phrase "casting a pall over," they mean the funereal sense, not the eucharistic one. Don't you?

And I'm not discussing Pyxie dust.

I thought a pall was one of those little clickers on a ratchet that kept it from going the wrong way. As in "we had to engage the pall on your money market fund this morning, to avoid panic withdrawals."

As this is a g-rated blog (although I think the rating has been slipping a bit lately), enuff said about panic withdrawals...

Pall is either
A) a cloth put over a coffin.
B) (calling all ex-altar boys)the cloth you put over the wine during mass.

So which one is named after the 'hammer' and which one the 'vegetable'?

Doh - that's 'ball peen' not 'pall bean'... Now I remember why I never went into journalism.

Indeed, Bush the Elder donned the mantle of Boston refinement much the way Bush the Lesser has embraced good ole boyism. An ubernerd might blurt out "a 3 sigma event!" in such a situation.

I don't need to watch market tickers anymore - whenever the visitor count at CR goes over 300 I know something is going DOWn!

phuggin hilarious

in this case, it's seb's mortgage to rent pla

The Financial Entertainment Network is starting to trot out midday commentary. You know, friendly, familiar face, calm demeanor, level tones, tie on straight. Chip Diller moment.

A pall is what the state of the economy does to ya, I'm appalled anyway!

speaking of strangers who spell funny, i recommend u all sell ur money market funds and buy pork bellies. if they lose value, u can eat ur delicious assets!

bacon dreamz,

I'm not falling for your pork belly pump-and-dump scheme.

Besides.. everyone knows the best store of value is animal pelts..

What is this, a poll on palls with pal Tanta in the pole position?

Tanta-

  1. As dryfly points out, maybe B gave rise to A?
  2. irony - so many now use "cast a pall" to mean "made everything bad" that it has become standard usuage. So maybe B gave rise to A which gave rise to C??

Anyway, I think we can all say that a pall has been cast over the credit markets (A - subsection "dead and gone").

In my haughtier moments I've been known to partake of fancy drinks such as a Pall Mall. And what a waste of good gin it would be to cast said Pall.

I also know someone who smokes Pall Malls.

Average Joe-

Good post. I expect to see a lot of that in the near future. Ala Indecent Proposal. When people have nothing to lose they are going to go for broke.

After that, my childhood memories of walking the dogma tell me that a "pall" is that which (respectfully, reverently, whichever you want) "erases" the material, physical body, which is now dust, so that the congregation may meditate upon the eternal soul.

Tanta,

Maybe we are supposed to meditate on the real estate market's "eternal soul".. since its now officially dead, and the debt market is putting the pall over it?

You do have to wonder, if "liquidity" is the lubricant, what's the fuel?

Better yet, WHERE is the fuel?

Gasoline
Prices rising
I just want to pay for this ride
Down and out
Seekin' safety in my flight
Not alone
Borrowed more cash for crimes unclear
My patience is gone
Someone buys gas far from here!

Burn MY gasoline!
Ouch
Burn MY gasoline!

Credit only
That is just my attitude
Houses honest?
Payments more than I can "bear"
Drain my cash
Before I fill my tank of fire
I am tapped
My car will never drive tonight

Burn MY gasoline!
Ouch
Burn MY gasoline!

My last home loan
Is so far in the red
Says "toxic" on it
I will default today

Burn MY gasoline!
Ouch
Burn MY gasoline!

Burn it! I can't pay!
Burn it! I can't pay!

I'm sure you're right, rcyran. But to return to Forbes, which is casting the pall and which is the dead?

(I don't think I ever spent this much time on a line from T.S. Eliot.)

Dear All

I'm thinking of running for the hills. But which ones? My uncle says the Rockies because you should always go for size and, with his Rolex, he should know. But my golf buddies says the Appalachians because they're closer to where the action is.

The fuel was loose lending standards. Now we have to wait until the fuel burns out.

Bacon, I might add that the only thing up today is my appalling bad investment in Natural Gas.

I had to buy my aug call contracts in the money and recover the funds by selling otm for september.

Appalling that they shouldn't drop with the hedge fund deleveraging like everything else. Something mundane like the first hurricane.

Dry- do you know anybody who uses a Bavarian spice mix in their venison sausages and would be willing to ship west;-?

Sometimes I do miss the midwest, but

Someday this war's going to end....

So, is it time to throw caution to the winds and take some of the cash I placed in MM & CD's and buy that Aston-Martin I really want? After all, if that $$$ may not be there any more why not enjoy the ride down in style.

I am with Thoth. Sutpidity id=s the fuel!

This is a pretty sad state of affairs. I just moved my MM funds to FXY (Yen)

The next thing you know I'll be stocking up on guns, beans and rice.

I can spell...I am with Thoth. Stupidity is the fuel!


Besides.. everyone knows the best store of value is animal pelts..

Joking aside, animal pelts have an excellent track record--the "rule of one and a third" has almost always held: Fine animal pelts appreciate at roughly inflation + 1.33%. Like gold, they're a luxury good with a historically recognized value. Unlike gold, they have many practical uses. You can't make a post-apocalyptic shelter out of gold, but you can with some wolf pelts and a little creativity.

I had an uncle who lived in Uruguay during the hyper-inflationary depression they had in the 70's. Someone on a bus gave him a local Peltbug newsletter and he'd started slowly accumulating pelts. Not pelt funds, but actual, physical "in my hands" pelts. A nice mink this week, a half-dozen angora rabbits the next. Everyone thought he was crazy, but when the financial crisis hit he was one of the only people with substantial fungible assets. He went from being a gas station attendant to the governor of San Ramon province. Sometimes, even the crazies are right.

FDIC insured bank savings accounts are looking a lot prettier recently. You might lose some points in interest but you won't lose your capital.

Puntino, whichever hills you decide upon you might want to bring Jack with you, as he may be stocked up on guns beans and rice.

Isnt it nice that the "loonies" willingly remove themselves from the scene?

"which is casting the pall and which is the dead?"

Um.........Pall zombie feedback loops? Undead credit markets eating real estate which is chewing on credit markets?

Geez,

All we need now is David Walker, comptroller general of the US, spouting OFF.

"issued the unusually downbeat assessment of his country’s future in a report that lays out what he called “chilling long-term simulations”.

These include “dramatic” tax rises, slashed government services and the large-scale dumping by foreign governments of holdings of US debt.

Drawing parallels with the end of the ROMAN EMPIRE"

How the Mortgage Bar Keeps Moving Higher - WSJ.com

Frankie Van Cleave says she has paid all her bills on time for more than three decades, save one car payment that got delayed in Christmas mail. But neither solid credit nor her track record running a number of businesses is sparing the 70-year-old from the turmoil in the home-mortgage market.

Several mortgage brokers had courted her to refinance a $1 million adjustable-rate mortgage she currently carries on her home, on two acres of prime riverfront property in Marietta, Ga. But most of them "dropped me like a hot potato" last week after two appraisals came in below $900,000, she says. Her bank of three decades won't help her after her monthly mortgage payments recently ballooned to nearly $8,200, so Ms. Van Cleave is working 80 hours a week as a technical writer to make ends meet.

"A good credit record doesn't count for anything now," Ms. Van Cleave says of her futile refinancing effort. "If you don't have assets, forget it. If you're self-employed, you have real problems in this market."

WHAT? You mean to say that even if you have a good FICO, they don't want to lend you a million bucks for an asset valued at $900k? This is not the America I was promised.

Actually, the best best would be booze.

I have been watching the prices of finer liquid refreshments head for the moon due to the combination of taxes and the falling dollar.

Imported booze, cause somebody is always making money and celebrating.

Finest Bourbon is good too.

Invest you heloc money in booze....

Someday this war's gonna end...

And why the hell is a 70 year old taking out a million dollar ARM?

I wonder if she financed for 15, 30, or 40 years...

Periodic reminder. FDIC insures the principal and does not make any assurance as to orderly redemption. You very well could get your entire $1000, 90 day CD yielding @ 5.2% back in 4 years as $1000 in 2011 dollars. Put a net present value on selling that particulare IOU in the current market and tell me this is protected.

"Ms. Van Cleave is working 80 hours a week as a technical writer to make ends meet."

A 70-year old working 80 hours a week as a technical writer? Color me skeptical.

gng,

While I'm not seriously suggesting people accumulate animal pelts, I did use the reference because animal pelts have been around forever. Smile

I mean, if the civilized world ends.. we'll all have to go back to wearing animal pelts to stay warm.. like the cavemen. I mean, whoever heard of wearing a gold ingot to stay warm in the winter?


Periodic reminder. FDIC insures the principal and does not make any assurance as to orderly redemption. You very well could get your entire $1000, 90 day CD yielding @ 5.2% back in 4 years as $1000 in 2011 dollars. Put a net present value on selling that particulare IOU in the current market and tell me this is protected.

Robert Coté

and what does that have to do with the error reported on Michelle Malkin's blog on past CONUS temperature calculations ?

-K

Sometimes I do miss the midwest, but...

Allen, let me fill in the rest:

...not really.

Plus if you're from the Midwest & know local meat lockers - you know they'll share their wife before they'll share their sausage recipe (or their 'honey hole'... that's a fishing spot for you not versed in ruralese). Sorry dude, can't help you there.

Napolean - i trust with your reference to loonies you mean we should be heading for Canada?

"A 70-year old working 80 hours a week as a technical writer? Color me skeptical."

I've been in that field, and have seen it: self-employed, hard as nails, $60-70 an hour, takes every bit of work that comes her way because tomorrow might not be so good. The one misleading part is, you only work 80 hours when there's 80 hours of work to do; most of the time, it's not that case.

Knew one old writer, a contractor pushing 70, who commuted in to Silicon Valley by private plane from Tahoe, slept at his desk three nights a week, and then flew home. For the money they were paying him, it was worth it.

Average Joe, 'by glod' is for the history books. On top of that, where I come from 'glod' means mud.

Tanta, Dry, Turbo, banker, et al...

What do you guys make of Credit Suisse hiring greenspan yesterday?

do they figure hiring the architect will minimalize their losses....

You'd better hurry Puntino. They're already getting upity about their southern neighbors coming across the border to take advantage of the free medical treatment. The skiing is nice too.

And why the hell is a 70 year old taking out a million dollar ARM?

It does not matter why, since it is a violation of Federal law to decline a loan based on the age of the borrower (as long as the borrower is over the minimum age for contract validity).

No one is allowed to make the term of a mortgage loan shorter than the borrower's likely lifespan.

Think about it.

McDude - uh, isn't it Deutsche Bank that hired him?

This is seriously starting to feel like the plot of the movie 28 WEEKS LATER... and this is week number two!

eli, you don't understand. You don't wear the gold or burn it, you use the gold to troll for a babe to keep you warm... though I understand diamonds work even better.

Greenspan to Deutsche, damn strange, especially when the contract says he can't comment on stuff where he might be conflicted with his role at Pimco.

Average Joe - That sounds like one step past nervous breakdown into mental illness territory... I don't envy you having to deal with those tragic situations.

Geoff, i do believe that you are right. Wonder why them? Seemd more appropriate with my mistaken CS....

Definition of daddy's old :" at some point you'll get smart and quit throwing good money after bad"

The U.S. Federal Reserve took the unusual step of refraining from undertaking an open
market operation so far Tuesday, in the aftermath of last week's substantial infusions of liquidity into the banking system.

This marked a pause so far in the Fed's actions over the past three trading days when it injected a substantial amount of cash into the market to increase liquidity.

If the Fed does not undertake an open market operation on Tuesday, it will be the first working day in three months it has not done so.

The Federal Reserve refrained from undertaking a money market operation at its usual operating time of 9:30 a.m. ET, a New York Federal Reserve spokesman confirmed.

Hey, blame it all on CANADA like in the Simpsons!

Sorry, South Park

FYI (do people use that expression anymore?) Put/call ratios in equities are at the second highest level I've ever seen. This generally means stocks can't go down much more.

See Tanta's disclaimer above re: bad spellers...

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"what's the fuel?," you ask dear Tanta?

It begins with F and ends with D. That is, and has been, the main product of bankers and financiers of New York City. That should have been obvious to anyone who knows anything about the four-letter word that begins with D.

An expert on the D-word,

Jas

PS: So, Tanta, who do you think that the rating agencies worked for? The buyers of the bonds or the sellers?!

You might buy one of those Katrna funded million dollar condos they are building at the univ of alabama for the football fans.

that van Cleave story - jeez ! she can easily do a reverse mortgage - how long does the old bat expect to live ?

The emergence of these stories at this hour and day is truly educational.

-K

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"This generally means stocks can't go down much more."

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have traded more options than 99%+ of the people on this board for the past 20 years. I currently have 100+ different options positions on stocks, stock indexes, USTs, and major currencies. The largest positions have been in LEAPS (long puts) on Fraudentials and Hopebuilders just as I have been saying for the past 6 months.

Jas

Dry- Lol.

My connection in Flagstaff left the state a few years ago. Warren ran a small butcher shop and was a real nice german guy indeed. Would sell me some real nice venison sausage (informally dropping it off and taking only cash;-}- his spice mix was to die for- he also made a summer sausage from a venison/pork mix that was devine.
When I lived in Philly there was a great sausage guy in Reading Terminal- Old man Siegfried. Siggy used to make a fantastic double smoked bacon.

I miss that sausage. Funny how you don't mind when you can find it on every streetcorner, but when you have to pay through the nose to have it shipped it is a pain. Usually do a care pack from Neuske's every few years.

Someday this war's gonna end...

On top of that, where I come from 'glod' means mud.

So is that where we get the term 'glod hopper'? Stuff you learn here on CR, jus' amazes me.

What was that again about hats?

"that van Cleave story - jeez ! she can easily do a reverse mortgage - how long does the old bat expect to live ?"

sk | Homepage | 08.14.07 - 3:34 pm | #

She has no equity, via MEW. Thus, there is nothing to reverse mortgage, and an important life lesson will be learned just a little late.

Tanta, I recommend McDonald's Gift Certificates. And St. Pauli Girl.

Hey, blame it all on CANADA like in the Simpsons!
Dylan Ratigan on CNBC blamed it on the French.

A strange thing this term "accountability."
The US complains loudly about shoddy products imported from China all the while the rest of the world is gagging from shoddy financial products it sells. Then when they do squawk about being sold weeks instead of roses, its their fault for gagging and squawking. A real twist of irony is, the result is foreign central banks have to loosen first as a result so the US dollar is gaining a rally as a result. Sick.

oops, that last post should say "weeds" not "weeks"

It seems that only good business right now is drug dealing; lots of liquidity (as always) and cash only.

Maybe McDonald's Gift Certificates not a bad idea - Thornburg looks like it just went to BK.

Tranding in Thornburg Mortgage TMA halted pending "news".

Allen - I go through a couple places like that... one is New Ulm Minnesota, great sausage... plus they have a huge statue of Hermann the German. Good beer too - they brew Schell's there, the Pilsner is fabulous.

Beer, sausage and your giant Teutonic chieftain shrine - what could be more American than that? Well maybe a few failed banks too.

Lance,

My guess is Greenspan got hired for his Rolodex and to make high-level intros, not to make financial judgements. Not unusual as near as I can tell.

I am the worst spiller I have seen blogging. Eli makes a good point about money and pelts and some bad points. It is pretty hard to eat paper currency. It is even harder to eat binary electronic digits in someones computer that won't let you access them because their "fair value" is in dispute. Gold and silver are simply hoardable commodities that over a long period of time have been pretty good at keeping their value.

thnx bnkr

Gold and silver are simply hoardable commodities that over a long period of time have been pretty good at keeping their value.

An especially good value for those who take the shiny stuff away from them & dump the previous owners in the river... a most profitable enterprise indeed.

re callous - Thanks for making me read a little deeper into the story.... and I find:

"Ms. Van Cleave concedes she took a risk, borrowing close to the appraised value of her home two years ago -- at the market's peak -- to help fund a start-up company that sells a patented fishing-rod holder"

WTF ? a fishing rod HOLDER ? at the age of 70 ? Was it her nephew / niece who suggested that ? But wasn't there some sort of financial intermediary who could have blown the whistle ?

Sigh.

-K

I used to drink with an ex-Luftwaffe pilot called Hermann the German. He had most of his face burned off when the engine of his Me-109 caught on fire. He had a permanent smile. Great guy.

Money has to live somewhere. Mustang Ranch or such other income producing assets are best! Oh s**t, the girls are all independent contractors now ! They don't need investor money. Well, money is worthless. Why are banks afraid to lend it out again ? Fools ! They could get really good terms now. Like insurance rates after Katrina ! How can Buffet be only person to see this ? Crazy!

I used to drink with an ex-Luftwaffe pilot called Hermann the German. He had most of his face burned off when the engine of his Me-109 caught on fire. He had a permanent smile. Great guy.

My first boss was an ex-Luftwaffe pilot AND a braumeister... plus he was 'technically' an American citizen fighting for the Germans... (turns out his father was German & worked for the German embassy in Chicago during Wiemar years, his mother American & he was born in Chicago... when his father was sacked by the Nazi's as part of the political purification he returned with the family to Prussia... learned to both fly and brew beer there... during the war he was conscripted but only allowed to fly over the eastern front (figured he might land & turn himself in if he flew over the west... not much chance of that over the USSR).

There are a gazillion human interest stories about those years. Most will be lost soon...

Kind of late to the party, but here's a wet blanket to cast over the purple prose:

"Coventree and others seek liquidity in parched asset-backed paper market"

Coventree and others seek liquidity in parched asset-backed paper market - Yahoo! Canada Finance

Pity the article doesn't live up to the linguistic expectations provided by the headline.

Dry- so true- the last survivor in my family passed away last year.

I would live in Minnesota- Neu Ulm looks quite nice- for six months of the years;-}

What I find humerous about most of the folks that talk about gold and silver being dangerous to own is that they think paper assets are safer;-}

A big pile of pre82 pennies and nickels might come in handy if things get totally out of hand.

After all, they do have an embedded call on commodity prices, with a face value knock in;-}

Heavy and hard to steal in quantity, but small enough to buy some bread or tortillas;-}
Banker, can you smell the crisis yet?
Someday, this war's gonna end...

Dow can within 29 points of dropping below 12,000.

Only 1000 points to drop for busting the 52week low.

Then and only then is it interesting.

I am a glod digger.

When my girlfriend told me that she was a lifetime saver, I immediately proposed and we were married soon after.

However to my chagrin, I learned that the only things she saves are boxes of keepsakes from her childhood. Every once in a while she digs out a box and reminisces, while I surreptitiously poke through them and look for glod. Wink

I dunno, mentioning mattresses in the context of investments probably might induce nightmares among investment bankers worrying about one of their pier loans becoming the next "burning bed"

What I find humerous about most of the folks that talk about gold and silver being dangerous to own is that they think paper assets are safer;-}

Fiat is safer because in a period of real socio-economic collapse no one would ever kill you for your paper money... they might kill you for food, for your shoes and certainly for gold... but your paper money? No chance.

Any situation where gold has value and money doesn't is a situation where you will need your own private army to defend the gold.

If you are looking for a hedge against inflation - productive assets are far better. Assets that produce income to support the asset. Think farm land, small business, rental units - stuff like that. Much easier to protect & defend also.

I understand the 'emotion' behind gold bugs fear of fiat - but they would be better served if they bought productive assets like farm land instead. Maybe even in New Ulm!

The problem with the Rockies is that cronic wasting disease is endemic in some parts.

Better off in Chile, the Peso will stay pretty solid due to copper and agriculture, it's pretty good value for money and great weather & skiing.

Absolute Total Economic Collapse? I'm steadfastly ignoring your gold (too damn heavy) and grabbing your dried peas and bic lighters. You'll be able to recognize me as I'll be the one steadfastly protecting my knitting needles, because for the few months I'll have left to live, I don't want to have cold feet. Moreover, I'll probably grab a few of your books, but that's only because I'm mean -- especially if I've been a few hours without text.

Alec- "Better off in Chile, the Peso will stay pretty solid due to copper and agriculture, it's pretty good value for money and great weather & skiing."

Yes, Chile is nice, particularly in the northeastern part of the country where there is a large population of German-speaking people who arrived there un-announced at the end of World War II.

You think I'm joking?

I am now looking at a cheesecake fresh from the oven and brown on top. It is still bubbling, contains over two pounds of cream cheese, and smells delicious. Tonight it will be covered in fresh raspberries, then sacrificed.

Life is good.

Sorry, that was an off-topic comment.

I am going to stick with carved stones for now and also I am working on changing the zonning to 'agricultural' for my yard.

I am now looking at a cheesecake fresh from the oven and brown on top. It is still bubbling, contains over two pounds of cream cheese, and smells delicious. Tonight it will be covered in fresh raspberries, then sacrificed.

My son did an open water swim race over the weekend in Northern Wisconsin (a little over two miles in Lake Superior from Bayfield to Madeleine Island) and won it, beat approximately 50 some other swimmers. His prize was a large hand thrown ceramic pot made by an area artist filled with locally grown blueberries... My wife made fresh blueberry pie & we just finished the last piece today. OMG - heaven on earth.

Irony of all this was that the son who swam & won the race hates blueberries (Before we had him I didn't know that was possible). The rest of us on the other hand now have blue teeth & big smiles.

Enjoy the cheese cake.

I am going to stick with carved stones for now and also I am working on changing the zonning to 'agricultural' for my yard.

LOL. Back in stagflation I read about a lady in Minneapolis who plowed up her whole yard - discovered that one average sized city lot can almost produce enough food to feed a small family for a year. Just think what a MiniMcMansion could produce...

There was an article in the paper about the vast amount of copper theft going on here. Plumbing businesses, construction sites, and sometimes just plain old buildings are getting stripped of tens of thousands $$ of copper.

That might be an asset to consider... kinda heavy but someone must want it.

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"Hey, blame it all on CANADA like in the Simpsons! Dylan Ratigan on CNBC blamed it on the French"

Any time that an American blames other countries for America's problem he, or she, is admitting America's problems. Americans are mentally sick people when it comes to coming to terms with their own problems that are responsible for America's problems. Being the top dog denies us the liberty of blaming others.

Jas

There was an article in the paper about the vast amount of copper theft going on here. Plumbing businesses, construction sites, and sometimes just plain old buildings are getting stripped of tens of thousands $$ of copper.

Outsider, people are dying for it, actually dying.

Article is nearly a year-old, but I recently read about similar happenings in the Bay Area. The worsening foreclosure and stalled housing development problems will only increase these events.

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"but I recently read about similar happenings in the Bay Area"

Bay Area will turn into a hellhole. This is my standing prediction.

Man-hat-tan and Silly.con Valley are the Sodom and Gomorrah of the modern times. They are fit only for the wicked and morally bankrupt. The rest should make a speedy exit whit things are still not bad.

Jas

Jas,

I hate collective nouns. they produce shtie like this comment:

"Americans are mentally sick people when it comes to coming to terms with their own problems..."

I am neither mentally sick, nor do I scapegoat. I am an American. Finish the syllogism.

The rulers of the UHE (United Hates Empire) are NOT touchable by the American people. Dumbocracy is a charade.

Hmmpphh

Right, since no one posted it I shall. Merriam Webster on pall:

Pronunciation: 'pol
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, short for appallen to become pale -- more at APPALL
intransitive verb
1 : to lose strength or effectiveness
2 : to lose in interest or attraction
3 : DWINDLE
transitive verb
1 : to cause to become insipid
2 : to deprive of pleasure in something by satiating

So then I'm thinking (I love this word) insipid:
Main Entry: in·sip·id
Pronunciation: in-'si-p&d
Function: adjective
Etymology: French & Late Latin; French insipide, from Late Latin insipidus, from Latin in- + sapidus savory, from sapere to taste -- more at SAGE
1 : lacking taste or savor : TASTELESS
2 : lacking in qualities that interest, stimulate, or challenge : DULL, FLAT
- in·si·pid·i·ty /"in-s&-'pi-d&-tE/ noun
- in·sip·id·ly /in-'si-p&d-lE/ adverb

Ah...a pall over the credit markets...to become flavorless (tasteless is used but that can mean something else)...flat, dull...

Interesting fun with words.

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Misean,

Generalizations are NOT to be taken personally and individually. They are characterization of collective behavior. Yes, Americans are born-and-bred dopes (“democracy is the best political system," etc.), grossly ignorant (of history, for example), and morally bankrupt (“ we are the good guys” and “America is a force for the good in the world” are the best proof of that). That is based on my observations and I could be wrong. But the idea that any born-and-bred American is right and I am wrong is nothing more than reflection of arrogance.

Can you handle the truth? America’s current leaders WILL make Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia look good!

Jas

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Why America is headed down the toilet?

Because Americans can't handle criticism, even the criticism of the American system. Shoot the messenger is SOP among born-and-bred Americans, more so than the rest.

Wall Street and the Federal Reserve are staffed with crooks. The proof is in the pudding, e.g., pushing debt on the households is immoral. No?

Jas

Jas,
You write:
"Can you handle the truth? America’s current leaders WILL make Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia look good!"

I've been saying it to any and everyone I know since 2001. It took time but many are starting to come 'round. Yes there are sheeple here, but I think the use of collective nouns is dangerous when making such sweeping generalizations. You might upset a potential ally. Wink

I don't think it's THAT hard to buy a ticket to Russia these days. Maybe you both should check into this option. It seems to dovetail nicely with your line of reasoning.

Slightly off-topic, but I think that liquidity is the lubricant and the fuel.

Gold and silver are simply hoardable commodities that over a long period of time have been pretty good at keeping their value.

An especially good value for those who take the shiny stuff away from them & dump the previous owners in the river... a most profitable enterprise indeed.

dryfly | 08.14.07 - 4:00 pm | #

Yes, that's always puzzled me-- civilization's going down the tubes, the monetary system's going to collapse-- but surely nobody would be so immoral as to actually steal from you! Or maybe they think the local police, out of the goodness of their hearts, are still going to come around in their (miraculously still running) patrol cars in response to a call on the still fully functional phone system?

No gold for me, but I do 'invest' in all sorts of odd classes that catch my fancy-- anything from spinning to starting fire with sticks. Sure they can take that away from you, too-- but at least they don't get to enjoy it themselves if they do!

If the doomsters are right, I'll be heading to the wild places. If they aren't, well, some of the really odd classes I've been taking are in economics. Should have my MA in a couple of years.

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