YouTube - July 4th Fireworks seen from the Rooftops of Brooklyn NYC
music by Richard Hell and the Voidoids ...


Get Happy! it's the 4th of July!
could someone Instagram me a Bloody Mary? Duke Point

Indian Casino: Santa Ysabel Casino files for bankruptcy - KSWB

The tribe's bankruptcy filing lists 50 creditors, with the county owed the most, more than $3 million. It also owes the California Gambling Control Commission $100-thousand. State officials tell Fox 5 the tribe is "delinquent" in its payments, but would not elaborate.

'Why was Barclay's management so ignorant?'
--'I, uh, uh uh, what is the question?'
--'I think you've answered the question'.

Cool

Oh, say can you see by the loans being light
What so proudly we hailed at TARP's last gleaning?
Whose Broadway pay and bright stars fought the perilous fight,
O'er the electrons we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the Unabankers red glare, the bonds bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our free money addiction was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

Diamond:

"This is important, David..."

Not for you to say as a witness, asswipe.

"Mr. Diamond, do you spell your first name with 2 'o's?"

There can be no recovery without a lower rate of unemployment. Without recovery there will be political consequences.

If we've lost pavel on the jobless recovery, there will be hell to pay.

Jackdawracy wrote:

If we've lost pavel on the jobless recovery,

Oxymoron, unless you define recovery as profit for a few investors.

'Jobless Recovery' is nearly as daft as a 'Famine Buffet', for those of you scoring @ home.

Its a penalty to listen this thing, but if you have a minute of time you can never have back...

YouTube - DWS: "Because it's a penalty"

The question was 'Should bankers go to jail when they cheat?'.

The answer was, 'We [Barclay's] took immediate action when we discovered the wrongdoing.'

Self-regulation for the win...

There are 5 or 6 indian casinos with a few hour drive of me, and the biggest one-Chuckchanci, seems to be having money problems more often as of late. They've been on a disenrolling tear, getting rid of wannabe indians with a scintilla of tribal blood.

How else would a jobless recovery work?

They have him cornered. He's either complicit in cheating or an incompetent executive. If he's incompetent, how did he get so rich....

Sandals on the Sidewalk (3 Jun 2012)

This was up yesterday. I posted a comment on the number of applications for the 400 trash collectors and street sweepers here in Thessaloniki. It is reported to be over 10,000, many of whom have university degrees. Those hired will have eight-month contracts. Pay is reported to be about 400 euros a month.

ekathimerini.com | Labor institute warns of 30% jobless and lack of unemployment benefits

Labor institute warns of 30% jobless and lack of unemployment benefits
By next month, only 165,000 of more than 1 million jobless Greeks will receive unemployment benefits, according to the labor institute of the country’s two largest unions,ADEDY and GSEE.
Speaking on Skai TV on Tuesday morning, the institutes research adviser Giorgos Romanias said that the one-year unemployment benefit will expire next month four thousands more workers who have lost their jobs, leaving just 165,000 people still eligible for benefits.
Romanias also predicted that the actual number of unemployed Greeks, including the long-term jobless, will reach 1.6 million, or close to 30 percent by the end of the year, rather than the 1.48 million originally forecast by the labor institute.

We have reduced the cost of labor by sacking some and lowering the remuneration of others, but since this subtracts from demand the spiral continues to head downward. Production becomes technologically more efficient but less profitable. The rate of profit falls, making credit less available and creditors still more unwilling to extend it. Less credit shrinks the productive sectors, making the financial sector the most profitable. But while the financial sector can produce interest and dividends, it cannot produce demand. Borrowers cannot repay. Down down.

There is still a cushion in the system generated by accumulated wealth. But this cushion is insufficient to generate an increased rate of profit.

At least, this is how this layman sees the situation.

easy, yogi. he cheated.

Oh to have Congressional questioning like this.
Thanks to UK Parliment for his Jul 4th lesson in democracy.

You get the feeling he'll get the Citizen Rupert treatment in Blighty, but it won't extend beyond that.

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

. If he's incompetent, how did he get so rich....

Laughing out loud

A "jobless recovery" was a crock of shit the last time around, and it's a crock of shit now. Having been turned from producers into consumers, the economy won't grow unless consumers have the scratch to consume with. Ya needs jobs for that.

They aren't swallowing his naive good guy act. Tag Jamie...

You just know the coppers are shaking in their boots @ the prospect of being replaced on high by a machine, but firemen probably have nothing to be concerned about, it's not like you can put out a blaze from 30,000 feet...

corruption has become a real problem for the US. what a shame.

Damn silverlight/moonlight. Finally got it working though. Shakes Tiny Fist of Fury

Has the hearing been pretty typical?

Haralambos wrote:

By next month, only 165,000 of more than 1 million jobless Greeks will receive unemployment benefits,

In other words, you'd better be someone important;s brother in law in you want to collect from here on out.

pavel.chichikov wrote:

There can be no recovery without a lower rate of unemployment. Without recovery there will be political consequences.

The Democratic party, owned by the elite will be replaced by the Republican party, owned by the elite--who will then replaced again by the Democratic party, owned by the elite.

But will anything seriously change?

(No surprise that I got Pigged on this one.)

Anyone here up for a friendly round of CRowd sourcing?

++

I would like to propose a new holiday, but I think we all need to put our heads together to make up the rules, traditions and symbolism of this day of celebration, reflection, unbridled greed.

LIBOR DAY: (Lying In Banker Oriented Rhetoric) Day will be an international holiday, set aside for 99%ers to unabashedly make shit up about their own financial situation.

++

We need to come up with a suitable date on the calendar on which we can celebrate LIBOR DAY each year.

We need to decide on the traditions of the holiday. (Buying massive amounts of crap that we don't need with credit card rates and limits that we set ourselves?)

The iconic fictional characters and symbols that will represent the spirit of the holiday. (The LIBOR DAY versions of a Santa Claus, Christmas tree, Dreidel, Easter Bunny, Easter Eggs, Tooth Fairy, Leprechauns, Pilgrims, Turkeys, Jack-O-lanterns, etc.)

Parade concepts for the LIBOR DAY. (Inflated things--like Macy's Day Balloons?)

Traditional clothing to be worn on LIBOR DAY. (Pinstripes? Rolexes?)

Traditional Greetings to be exchanged on LIBOR DAY. (Screw you! ?) (Screw me? Screw YOU!)

Traditional Libor Day songs.

Etc.

Okay--you guys have the idea....now....Run with it.

On your (German) mark.....get set.......go!!!

1 currency now -yogi wrote:

They have him cornered. He's either complicit in cheating or an incompetent executive. If he's incompetent, how did he get so rich....

Yeah, that's always the choice.

Same with Corzine (and anyone else like him): either you knew, and should be in jail, or you're too fucking stupid to be CEO, and don't deserve the Now back to the yacht race

Any Yankee Doodle Dandies here that were born on the 4th of July?

Husband had his birthday yesterday but he usually continues celebrating on through.. Tongue

Corps viewed as American have used up the American market and is now has the world to expand, thus less need for the American worker.

Jackdawracy wrote:

but firemen probably have nothing to be concerned about,

Unless some fires become more equal than others.

"I love Barclay's. I love the people at Barclay's. ...I love them like brothers. Like brothers in crime. Wait, strike that..."

When Bob said in his 25 years he has developed excellent relationships with regulators he seemed surprised that they didn't consider that an endearing revelation.

Diamond: 'The goal wasn't to fix rates, it was to impact LIBOR...'

lol

RATM wrote:

Has the hearing been pretty typical?

The word "criminality" is being discussed at length. So no, not typical.

If Bob was in front of Congress, imagine the complimentary conversation we'd be hearing instead?

I wish my mortgage was with Barclay's so I could set my own mortgage rate with just an email.

Is everyone gathered for the state sponsored 15 minute Hate?

There are always new bankers to take the place of those who depart. Personalities are not that significant?

Rajesh wrote:

Is everyone gathered for the state sponsored 15 minute Hate?

It was only five - or three?

Ummmm....JD--my post above was practically tailor-made for you.

I'mmmmmm waiting.......

Martin Wolf said: "Let us not be too grudging: the decision to allow the ESM to recapitalize banks directly is possibly very important, both in itself and for what it portends.

... Nevertheless, the biggest danger is that the economics of the euro zone are deteriorating fast. Joblessness reached 11.1 percent in May, the highest on record for the zone."

And Angela Merkel was only willing to allow that direct recapitalization in exchange for establishing a central supervision authority for those banks. That's going to take time and political wrangling, I would think. IIRC, press reports have suggested it would take several months to a year.

Sebastian

When you're lying your way to the top echelon of what passes for banking, the risk is that you might be caught telling the truth.

Jackdawracy wrote:

Give me LIBORty, or give me debt!

Perfect! That will be like LIBOR DAY'S "Merry Christmas!"

Laughing out loud

SPANISH GOVERNMENT GENERIC BONDS - 10 YR NOTE Chart - GSPG10YR - Bloomberg  [ref 1 day chart]

Tank slap continues. This is a long bond fer chrissakes.

I think he was ill-advised on protocol. Sure, when you're taking a private phone call from "Whitehall" or The BOE, first names are hunky-dory. When you're on TV on the record, and they are calling you Mr. Diamond, you should observe formalities. You ain't testifying by satellite link, Yankee.

Off for a few hours... be sure to hug a banker today! And again, happy global interdependence day!

Sebastian wrote:

That's going to take time and political wrangling, I would think. IIRC, press reports have suggested it would take several months to a year.

Yes, it will take much more time than they have.
Even if they could get it done in a week, it won't change the main street economics.
It's too late.

He just stepped in it. "their compensation was not just based on their own book." That will come back to bite him.

the true frailty of our socioeconomic political system is on full display, here. it's obvious we need to completely reform and overhaul our financial system and that many of the people who have position to do so are on the take... the ones elected who would actually like to effect change don't know HOW to do it and joker laughs all the way back to his big, rich bank.

we know we have a problem, we know what the problem is, we know who the criminals are, but we have no clue how to fix it. they truly have us by the balls right now.

Last time I hugged a banker, I felt a tug on my back pocket where my wallet is, as he was shaking my hand.

3-month LIBOR didn't change at all from March 5th to June 25th. LIBOR is still being fixed.
BBA LIBOR USD 3 Month Analysis - US0003M - Bloomberg

Jackdawracy wrote:

Last time I hugged a banker, I felt a tug on my back pocket where my wallet is, as he was shaking my hand.

Yup.

RATM wrote:

LIBOR is still being fixed.

LIBOR is fixed daily.

"It's for the children" (the Unabankers progeny, that is)

RATM wrote:

Diamond: 'The goal wasn't to fix rates, it was to impact LIBOR...'

lol

It depends on what the definition of 'is' is.

Jackdawracy wrote:

In Defendants Day

Oh! I missed this one!

This needs to be the title of the traditional Libor Day movie--do we have a screen writer on the blog?

(It can be something wholesome like "It's a Wonderful Life," or historic like "Ben Hur" or funny and animated like "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown.")

Harbour Day is another goodie, everybody gathers to have a mock luau in the Caymans.

Ben Hurt

It's a Wonderful TARP!

I think Diamond strategy is to drink so much water he has to pee, and ask for a break.

Around the turn of the century, the family clan was in Prague and we boarded a subway, and I was wearing shorts with a button on my back pocket, when a little slap and tickle occurred and I reached for my wallet and slapped a hand that wasn't mine in the process, and we got on board, and for 3 stops, I was sitting directly across from the would-be perps, creepy that.

"American Lie" (unrated board of directors cut)

RockyR wrote:

corruption has become a real problem for the US. what a shame.

Eric Holder is on the case, it's contained.

Out the window of the restroom, to the helicopter, to the private plane... and off to your beachside villa in a nonextradition country

I'm on a bitch & moan fast today, just out of respect.

But you gize are funny.

Lobbyist Ben Dover wrote:

How else would a jobless recovery work?

Kool-Aid Kool-Aid Kool-Aid Kool-Aid I knew I should have started a school of scam and ponzi for the little peeps and it still might not be to late since I have found a Bureau inside the US State Department that funds Democracy Grants that rivals US School Loan Balances in total without a lifetime of slavery debt. Wave your Flags Peeps.

PastTense wrote:

There can be no recovery without a lower rate of unemployment. Without recovery there will be political consequences.

The Democratic party, owned by the elite will be replaced by the Republican party, owned by the elite--who will then replaced again by the Democratic party, owned by the elite.

But will anything seriously change?

Yes, and it will be brutal. Change is inevitable, when the mechanisms for peaceful change are eliminated it still happens. Think of beautiful Marin County, full of trees, many dead from sudden oak death syndrome and no major fire since 1925.

"Isn't it a conflict-of-interest...?"

That must be a British phrase. Never heard that used over here.

Jackdawracy wrote:

Harbour Day is another goodie, everybody gathers to have a mock luau in the Caymans.

Yeah! And we can "steal" drums?

(I definitely think music from the Islands is appropriate musical tone to take for Libor Day.)

Terminator X - The Rise of the HFT Machines.

I'll supply the music, you supply the whores (financial flava) YouTube - Spyro Gyra Rasul

Terminalator X - The Rise of the HFT Machines. Fixed It For Ya

Blood Bob Diamond
The Blind Regulator Side
A Bridge Loan Too Far
Courage Under FIRE
good overnight and good luck

Spain’s national court Wednesday opened a criminal investigation into the stock market listing of Bankia SA, naming Rodrigo Rato and 32 other former board members as suspects in the case, court documents showed.

Most of the shares in the listing were sold to Spanish retail investors, many of them clients of the bank itself, and these investors have now lost more than 75% of their investments in less than a year. They claim that Bankia’s listing prospectus was misleading.

Spain probes Bankia IPO; Rato named suspect - MarketWatch

Diamond: "Rate setters have been with Barclays for 25 or 30 years, they were some of our most senior staff"

But the criminality only went from 2007 - 2009, or whatever Diamond is claiming?

Diamonds Are A Regulators Best Friend

Thanks, Jack. (I don't get out much.) Shy

Festivities could include roasting weenies over banskter effigies.

Another Sandals with a Bit of Optimism

This was up today in the NYTimes: - NY Times

What Greece Makes, the World Might Take

'It’s hard to believe now, but Greece outpaced the average European growth rate for much of the last 60 years. Its farmers turned bombed-out fields into modestly productive farms. The government rapidly shifted parts of the country from an agrarian economy into an industrial one that developed specialties in construction materials — concrete, aluminum, rebar — and generic drugs.'

'One of the most destructive developments, Ventouris says, came when Greece joined the European agricultural-subsidy system in 1981. Money from richer European taxpayers flowed to Greek farmers to upgrade their farms, “but the Europeans and the Greek government had no control mechanism,” he says. Instead of investing in new tractors, “the farmers were taking the money and buying things like Mercedeses.”'

Trustbusters ( Fantasy / Science Fiction, 2012 )

Anonymous Bosch wrote:

Festivities could include roasting weenies over banskter effigies.

charcoal briquettes shaped like banksters could be a hot item Laughing out loud

But you see, all Bob's got is the idea of planting the seed that criminality only happened 10% of the time. As if he has no defense whatsoever.

Diamond: "Rate setters have been with Barclays for 25 or 30 years, they were some of our most senior staff"

Despicable Plc
Journey to the Centre of the Truth

RATM wrote:

Damn silverlight/moonlight. Finally got it working though.

O you got it figured out heh ? I suppose I'd better myself - wife's complaining that she can't get to many webinars via Ubuntu cos this silverlight lark so I said I'd figure it out..

I had the same problem so I went to the BBC Democracy Now website as my alt place - but it was over by then and they were onto the Giant causeway in (N) Ireland in another meeting - very interesting but hardly germane.

Don't go anywhere - I might need your advice as I try and get moonlight going on Ubuntu...

HFT: "Hey we just traded you to Tampa, for a job to be named later, pack your bags."

skk wrote:

I might need your advice as I try and get moonlight going on Ubuntu...

Moonlight - Download

The version parliamenttv tried to install on my comp didn't work, but that link did.

Walking over F.I.R.E. is so 2008, I hope they don't do it again.

Scam Silent Scam Deep.

I've (probably) seen every war movie ever made.

Silverlight sucks?
what, compared to Flash?
...
Lets take a coffee break time

Saw a 1955 one i'd never heard of, that was quite good. The Purple Plain

I just don't like the concept, Duke. Glad to see flash die, glad to see silverlight die.

Rob Dawg wrote:

"American Lie" (unrated board of directors cut)

Yes! The iconic "American Lie" song by Don McLean!

(Chorus)

Lie, Lie, of course the Libor's a lie
Bought my Chevy but the levy it was way way too high.....

And good ole boys were drinkin' whiskey and Rye
laughing "this whole "Libor" shit is a lie"

(I only need a hundred more lines or so...)

RockyR wrote:

the true frailty of our socioeconomic political system is on full display

When you are serving up slow fat pitches over the plate, I can not help myself: "the true frailty of our sociopathiceconomic political system is on full display."

Old Euro News: Lets take a coffee break

German Supreme Court rules against Merkel on ESM. Will she now recognise the Rule of Law? | Machholz's Blog

Angela Merkel had breached the rights of the German parliament by failing to sufficiently inform lawmakers during negotiations towards the creation of the permanent euro rescue fund, the European Stability Mechanism (ESM).

Jackdawracy wrote:

Last time I hugged a banker, I felt a tug on my back pocket where my wallet is, as he was shaking my hand.

Bankers don't do it up close and personal like a pickpocket or a robber with a gun, they use electrons or elections.

Duke: html5/JavaScript certainy looks promising. browser as runtime is better to me than heavy runtime run within a browser runtime using 6 different languages (exaggerating a bit).

Natural Born Traders
Overnight Shift
You've Got E-Mail

To quote Woody Guthrie:

As through this life you travel
You'll meet some funny men
Some rob you with a six gun
Some rob you with a fountain pen

As through this life you travel
As through this life you roam
You'll never see an outlaw
Take a family from their home

Banks for the memories
The lies you told to us
On account of a bad financial gust
In you we placed our trust
Think of what becomes of you
When things go bust?
Banks for the memories

Jackdawracy wrote:

The Purple Plain

I may have missed that one. Added to my queue.

Rob Dawg wrote:

Blood Bob Diamond
The Blind Regulator Side
A Bridge Loan Too Far
Courage Under FIRE
good overnight and good luck

I KNEW you guys would come through! Big smile

Jackdawracy wrote:

Diamonds Are A Regulators Best Friend

Diamonds Are For lever?

German court issued the ban ESM start to continue to delay | Forex News

==>

Dissenters are calling for more democracy, and there are a lot of them. More than 12,000 German citizens have joined "Mehr Demokratie" ["More Democracy"], the "Alliance for Constitutional Objections to the ESM and the Fiscal Pact".
They plan to file suits with the German Constitutional Court in Karlsruhe against the instruments being deployed to save the euro. Christoph Degenhart, a Leipzig-based expert on constitutional law, and Herta Däubler-Gmelin, a former federal justice minister, are spearheading the alliance, which also includes some of Germany's smaller political parties.

Q: How do you hug a bankster?
A: You start by wrapping your hands around his neck and pushing hard with your thumbs.

RATM wrote:

Has the hearing been pretty typical?

Shakes Tiny Fist of Fury that wasn't so bad - what's she[the wife] complaining about ?

His American accent is pretty mellow. yessssss he IS an American - well of course - ya think a Brit would ever get caught get up to this type of crookery.

Favs:

Made during WW2: Lifeboat

Post war: Soldier Of Orange

The Year of Trading Dangerously

The Man Who Shot LIBORty Ballance

Off to do a line dancing demo at our little community 4th parade then up to the cool of the mountain lake for the evening fireworks with friends. More good friends, good food and a beautiful location.
Have fun on the 4th all. Careful with the fireworks.
Save the world for LIBOR while we are gone.

RATM wrote:

Moonlight - Download

The version parliamenttv tried to install on my comp didn't work, but that link did.

Interesting.. hey that's the one they took me to I thought ? or rather there was no automatic installation ( or I didn't let it or summat ) during my travails but their help told to take a hike to where you took a hike to.

one more step after that too - after installation I was still getting a blank screen, no audio - even as the time was counting up - a window collapsed to a bar had quietly opened up asking me if I'd let it install Microsoft Silverlight codecs.. - bit useless if its squished like that no ? anyway after that it was all tickety-boo.

For those interested - its available as an instant replay.

The Management Who Never Was.
Men In Backrooms
Men of Dishonor
Someone's Gotta Give

Did we do this one? A Bank Too Far

skk wrote:

a window collapsed to a bar had quietly opened up asking me if I'd let it install Microsoft Silverlight codecs.. - bit useless if its squished like that no ?

??? After the install, parliamentlive.tv had to install another codec before the vid would play. I've tried to get moonlight installed before but this is the first time it worked.

"It's a Wonderful Lie"

"Worth by Worthless"

S.

Pavel, Since no one else is commenting on your short essay, I'll do so.

First of all, I reckon that it's pretty accurate as far as it goes.

One additional factor is foreign trade. We've unthinkingly shipped a LOT of jobs overseas because we aren't very bright and have bought into the highly questionable assumption that free trade is everywhere and always good for all parties. The result of exporting jobs is that the labor component of prices is reduced and contributes to the economy of Vera Cruz or Mumbai, or Nanjing rather than the economy of Atlanta or Detroit. The jobs created here as a result of free trade are not very numerous -- Many are in natural resource production which is not labor intensive and many others are in transport of goods which is -- in this day of containerization -- quite automated.

It's not entirely that we can't compete. It's that we lose more jobs than we gain, and the somewhat higher quality of the jobs we create doesn't make up for the losses. On top of which the only high paying job that I'm aware of that is open to a slightly dimwitted high school dropout is congressperson, and there is a statutory limit on the number of those jobs.

Anonymous Bosch wrote:

Festivities could include roasting weenies over banskter effigies.

Big smile

Don't forget the roasting nuts....

Bless nuts roasting on an open FIRE
Marginal cost nipping at your lows....

(And the effigies can be like pinatas at Cinco de Mayo!)

Mehr Demokratie e.V.: Verfassungsbeschwerde zu ESM und Fiskalvertrag in Karlsruhe eingereicht

"As always judge in Karlsruhe, the next step must be to take care of the citizens about the future of Europe. And for that we need a directly elected Convention, which considered itself at rest and with alternatives as well as good ideas, the future of Europe. "[Here the whole video to submit.] Is represented civil action brought by the Leipzig constitutional lawyer Christoph Degenhart and Minister of Justice Herta Däubler-Gmelin. Connected to the notice of appeal is an emergency petition that will stop the ratification of treaties by the Federal Republic for the time being. "We complain of the contracts, because they mean a dismantling of democracy in two ways," explains Däubler-Gmelin. "For one thing forever budgetary powers and sovereignty rights of the Bundestag to Brussels to be delivered.

Hey that guy just plagiarized my meme!!! He even used "complicit" and "incompetent"....
Do Not Poke The Hornet Nest

Questioner: "You must be grossly incompetent if you were not complicit in what was happening."
Diamond: "Is there a question?"

Let's see if this one Jump the shark

Parlimentary Fights - The Ballad of Rickety Bobby

Diamonds are for lever,
They are all I need to please me,
They can stimulate and tease me,
They won't leave in the night,
I've no fear that they might desert me.
Diamonds are for lever,
Hold one up and then caress it,
Touch it, stroke it and undress it,
I can see ev'ry part,
Nothing hides in the heart to hurt me.
I don't need a loan,
For what good will loans do me?
Diamonds never lie to me,
For when trust gone,
They'll lustre on.
Diamonds are for lever,
Sparkling round my little finger.
Unlike mien, the Diamonds linger;
Men without mere morals who
Are not worth going to heed greed for.
I don't need a loan,
For what good will loans do me?
Diamonds never lie to me,
For when trust is gone,
They'll lustre on.
Diamonds are for lever, for lever, for lever.
Diamonds are for lever, for lever, for lever.
Forever and ever.

YouTube - Shirley Bassey - Diamonds Are Forever (The Queen's Diamond Jubilee BBC Concert 2012)

"I'll be consistent and forfeit my shares if everyone else at the country club has to..."

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Trustbusters ( Fantasy / Science Fiction, 2012 )

("Whose margin ya gonna call? Trustbusters!)

I repeat, barclays got something out of this but so did all borrowers too. The ones who got screwed were the people who should have been paid more INTEREST, right? Rentiers, right? Nobody should be cheated, of course, but at least it wasn't the poors for once.

Give me Freedom or give me Debt!

All Quiet On The Western Font

RATM wrote:

??? After the install, parliamentlive.tv had to install another codec before the vid would play.

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. I used to have the skills and patience to communicate computerese sequential actions and ask questions to ascertain them - just via the phone or textese - with the ubiquity of "take over the pc" / video conferencing for free ( gawd I remember when you had to book 3 days in advance, special room, few thousand pounds an hour cost ) - I don't have the patience for understanding what was done at your end v mine end.

I'll watch more carefully, take screen shots maybe when I install it on the wife's FireFox in the next few minutes and report back.

Unintended double irony-- it's the best kind...

The Mouse Clique That Roared

Pearl wrote:

ResistanceIsFeudal wrote:

Trustbusters ( Fantasy / Science Fiction, 2012 )

("Whose margin ya gonna call? Trustbusters!)

Comment by Rob Dawg from thread 'Manufacturing vs. Housing'

If the fuckers keep their bonuses, Liz, there is less spending power for everyone else.

This thread is definitely on FIRE.

lawyerliz wrote:

but so did all borrowers too

No, what about the municipalities? They would typically borrow, and then buy an interest rate swap to protect against higher rates, but then rates were manipulated lower, causing municipalities (Burmingham, AL) to be forced to pay to exit the swap. Also, when municipalities borrow, they are typically pushed to invest most of what they borrow into some kind of bond until they need it, but if rates were manipulated lower they get less. I think a lot of dead bodies are hidden at the municipality level.

lawyerliz wrote:

Rentiers, right? Nobody should be cheated, of course, but at least it wasn't the poors for once.

Pension funds, school boards, city gov.

Rigging the system for self profit or self protection or whatever - is cheating, lieing, stealing.
Regardless of who lost or won.

Duke of Con Dao wrote:

Fiends with Benefits

Fixed It For Ya

RATM wrote:

I think a lot of dead bodies are hidden at the municipality level.

There is something rotten in the Jefferson County sewers.

All y'all are on a tear this morning - happy 4th of July!

Maybe we need a bankster version of the Zombieland rulez?
Browsing deviantART
(link to poster of said rulez)

"Reality, what a concept!" Robin Williams. Laughing out loud

Re: A Step in the Right Direction Dooooooooooooooom!!! Steel Toed Bunny Slipper

Mehr Demokratie e.V.: German citizens demand referendum on ESM and fiscal treaty

According to the alliance, the ESM and the fiscal compact infringe the democratic principles of Germany’s constitution that stipulates to hold a referendum when essential competences concerning the budget are transferred to the EU. Once entered into force, the German Parliament – the representative body of the people – does not have the power anymore to decide on German taxpayers’ expenditure in relation of payments to the EU. In view of this loss of sovereignty, “Europa braucht mehr Demokratie” demands urgent action from Germany’s constitutional court and to stop the ratification procedure. Instead, citizens are to decide by referendum if they agree on the transfer of budgetary powers to the EU. Kick Me

"The Man Who Stole Too Much"

"The Thief in the Gray Flannel Suit"

S.

The Good, The Bank and the Fugly.

It's A Wonderful {MEFO) Covered Bond

Agreed ratsie. BUt there are an awful lot of first & second mtgors who are still paying because there rates are still low. There is no equity here. How could you unravel this? Obviously there should be no boni, or they should be taxed at 90%

Two MEWs Force Sister's IRA

Now he's plotting to steal from small countries in Africa....

RATM wrote:

Two MEWs Force Sister's IRA

New Keyboard

lawyerliz wrote:

Obviously there should be no boni, or they should be taxed at 90%

That would be a different set of facts.

To Have When You Have Naught

As the economies worsen the people blame the government.
The government needs to blame the bankers.

At some point I would hope that most people figure out the gov and the banks are joined at the hip.
TPTB are turning on one another.

A song: Banks for the Misery

The Day the Worth Stood Still

Ah, here we go: "Swindler's List"

S.

In honor of the 4th of July, I've been wearing star spangled banner loin cloth today. I might post a picture as a tile. Words of advice - Roman candles and moonshine don't mix. Later.

The American Fiend (orig. Wim Wenders)
American Werewolf in London

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

if you were a cricketer you'd be called Geoffrey Boycott - occupying the crease for 2 1/2 hours and not achieving much.

Boycott got dropped too for the next match as I recall - lets google this -

In the first Test against India, which England win by six wickets, he makes an unbeaten 246 and is dropped for slow scoring after taking 9hrs 55mins over the runs made from 555 balls faced.

Now that's a transformation over time - from almost a racist, crusty dour Yorkshireman with a chip on his shoulder about the world at large but certainly anybody from the Old Commonwealth - to quite a nice chap nowadays really.

There is redemption after all - if Boycott could do it, maybe Bob Diamond can ?

The Pigged In the Iron Mask

The Three (Or more) Muskdebtteers.

Doctored Strangloan: Or how I learned to stop worrying and love the debt bomb

One Flew Over The Covered Bond ( Puzzled )

Are you loaned some tonight
I'm all shook down

lawyerliz wrote:

I repeat, barclays got something out of this but so did all borrowers too. The ones who got screwed were the people who should have been paid more INTEREST, right? Rentiers, right? Nobody should be cheated, of course, but at least it wasn't the poors for once.

no no no no no.. a simple Turkish businessman - please god let him be a kebab-shop owner for stereotyping purposes ( as stand-in for the small businessmen at large ) got screwed too - they were (mis)-sold interest rate swaps.. and when Libor was held down - they had losses on their hands.

Anyone know where to get a transcript of the Bob Diamond testimony?

Jackdawracy wrote:

Avertical Limit

Loan Warrior

vtcodger wrote:

First of all, I reckon that it's pretty accurate as far as it goes

I thought it represented a kind of dilemma, defined as defying a satisfactory solution.

OT: The New Arthurian Economics American Apocalypse, by NovaReal French Sparkly

"[O]ne person’s debt is another’s asset," Krugman says. Krugman is looking at debt as merely an agreement between two individuals. In such analysis there is no possibility that debt can become excessive. How could it? Surely, no amount of debt these two generate could be enough to create troubles for the economy! Oh, they may hurt themselves, but they cannot harm the economy... But what if there is an environment of too much debt?

My Fair Libor
12 Angry Traders

My Big Fat Greek Shredding (german, english subtitles)

Mike in Long Island wrote:

Loan Warrior

Mad Maxed

"Debt Takes a Holiday"

S.

josap wrote:

As the economies worsen the people blame the government.
The government needs to blame the bankers.

Moot point-- they are the same people.

The Loss Boys

HighLIBOR: The Dickering

Anonymous Bosch wrote:

Mad Maxed

Very Good!

Agronox wrote:

Anyone know where to get a transcript of the Bob Diamond testimony?

Dumpsters, toilets... sewers, the bowels of rats...

Defiant Barclays | Felix Salmon

"There isn’t a transcript of this conversation anywhere, but I can easily imagine Tucker saying something like this: “lots of senior Whitehall types are seeing the high rates you’re paying in the Libor market, and they’re asking me about it. I’m sure you don’t need my advice here, but you really shouldn’t be so high”.

I just don'5 see how you could unscramble this egg.

Jackdawracy wrote:

Conan The LIBORian

Loanman The LIBORian Fixed It For Ya

adornosghost wrote:

Moot point-- they are the same people.

That's why I said they are joined at the hip.

RATM wrote:

OK.. I just installed it on the wife's machine. My path is :

  1. I go to the website - it tells me that SilverLight/Moonlight isn't there - has a button at the bottom - to install Silverlight and ALSO a hot link for Linux users.
  2. Since I'm on Linux I didn't bother with Silverlight installation I just went to the Linux help - which took me to the go-mono site for moonlight installation ( it even picks 32 bit, 64 bit correctly! ) and Bob's yer Uncle Diamond.
  3. O yeah on her machine - when FF restarted and I went to the page again.. the request to install CODECS was up front and central and not squished down to the task bar so that was ok..

so that's my path to success.

lawyerliz wrote:

unscramble this egg.

Me neither.

Gip me baby one more time

lawyerliz wrote:

unscramble this egg.

At least a few things are needed: Its different this time Quick, fetch a pail! (heat) This Really Sucks! (collection) Elvis is in the house! Re-construction

A powdered egg in a new box will never be the same as the original, but it will be a new product that some buy into ....

lawyerliz wrote:

I just don'5 see how you could unscramble this egg.

I don't see how it can continue as usual either. WASS.

RATM wrote:

I don't see how it can continue as usual either. WASS.

That's the plan. Wink

My fav so far. . . Swindler's List.

Excellent Seb.

RATM wrote:

I don't see how it can continue as usual either.

We really can't.
But as TPTB benefit, how does it change?

The Adventures of Robbing Hoods

The Muppets Rake Manhattan

Never let it be said this blog has OCD tendencies.

Ever.

Never.

Outsider wrote:

Never let it be said this blog has OCD tendencies.

Ever.

Never.

Nope.

Hardly.

We are all really funny now.

lawyerliz wrote:

I just don'5 see how you could unscramble this egg.

This is like the Second Law-- it only goes one direction.

The Bridge Loan On The River Fi

Barclays Not Alone in Making Claims on Rate, Diamond Says - NY Times

The former boss of Barclays said Wednesday that his bank illegally reported low borrowing rates in October 2008 because other banks were reporting even lower ones, making Barclays look bad...

adornosghost wrote:

ike the Second Law-

Quantum physics has taught how to put perfume molecules back into the broken bottle: Slumcast

CERN Physicists May Have Discovered Higgs Boson Particle - NY Times

The new money C- Store. Hype and Swipe.

Fatfinger (a favorite Bond flick)

Ah, ratsie, let the finger pointing begin!

"The Last of the Bohicans"

S.

Doc Holiday wrote:

CERN Physicists May Have Discovered Higgs Boson Particle - NY Times

Monumental.
What is also interesting is what hasn't been validated-- Super Symmetry-- which may put String Theory into question.

lawyerliz wrote:

I repeat, barclays got something out of this but so did all borrowers too. The ones who got screwed were the people who should have been paid more INTEREST, right?

It's not 100% clear to me that Barclay's always manipulated the rate down.

If they owned notes, and needed a great mark at end-of-month or quarter, they might want to jam it up.

RATM wrote:

because other banks were reporting even lower ones, making Barclays look bad...

They will now begin to eat their own.
There is alot of dirt that will now be found under the furniture.

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