Junk-rated loans hit new lows

Paulson's credit hedge fund soars
Big beneficiary as spreads widen on other hedge funds' woes

Paulson hedge fund soars in June; subprime bets pay off again - MarketWatch

Paulson is talking one story and doing the opposite

Moodys issue warning:

'Warnings of a potential collapse in the housing market in New Zealand have emerged in a banking report from Moody's Investor Services in Sydney'

Credit agency warns homeowners - National - NZ Herald News

Looks like the ratings agencies are waking from there slumber and have found the porridge to be cold.

“We think that people who had been refinancing their credit card debt into home equity loans are finding that harder to do now,” Wyss said. That would explain part of the big rise in credit card borrowing in May, he said.
Wyss said another factor was a strong gain in retail sales in May, which shot up by 1.4 percent, the largest jump in more than a year, as consumers brushed off rising gasoline prices to storm the malls.”

“But economists believe strength in employment and consumer spending will help provide a stronger performance in the April-June quarter, with many looking for the gross domestic product to expand at a rate of 3.5 percent or even better.”

Yeah, those new “hospitality-” and retail-jobs and credit card spending will ensure continued prosperity….

Bluff - those FT guys are pretty sharp.

Lawrence Eagles, head of the IEA’s oil market division, told the Financial Times: “If we get to the point were there is insufficient supply, the only way to balance the market will be through higher prices and a drop in demand.”

They must like to rock out to AC/DC too.

The Occult has struck the FT

It happened just before last June's peak in oil as well. That's when peak oil theory gets to the headlines. F****ng m**ons.

Come on CR!

The price has fallen all the way to 99.50! Is that the lowest in four years? Yup. What was the high? All the way up to 101!

Is this really big news once you get behind the headline? I mean the impact on borrowing cost implied by that alone is what, 12-25bp's over 3-7 year horizon?

Fly,

You are usually a reasonable guy. Bring Angus and the boys into this in a derogatory manner and it'll be air guitar at twenty paces!

YouTube -

101 or 100.1???

99.5 or 99?

Banker or Banter?

OT, but from Winter Watch:

...a good case could be made that $1.3 trillion in land values has been wiped out.

Great stuff:

Winter (Economic and Market) Watch » Keep Your Eye on the Land Value Ball

So much for an omniscient God, huh?

This is bigger news, sort of

The Junkyard Dogs Investors In Some Funds - WSJ.com

Investors have already started voting with their feet, pulling out more than $1.6 billion from high-yield funds and exchange-traded funds in the four weeks through July 3, according to AMG Data Services. Previously, investors were pouring money into these funds, which have seen inflows of $3.7 billion through July 3 -- more than last year's total inflows of $2.7 billion.High-yield funds and ETFs tracked by AMG currently hold about $133 billion in assets, up from $120 billion at the end of 2005.

The AMG numbers used to be the Gospel for investor sentiment in this market. But there are two issues with those reports, one they are a lagging indicator and second, those numbers don't count what hedgies are doing.

The junk market is what drives the LBO market to the levels we are seeing. The leveraged loan market has never been what cracked first. Of course, I suppose this time could be different.

Interesting article banker.

You wrote:

The junk market is what drives the LBO market to the levels we are seeing. The leveraged loan market has never been what cracked first. Of course, I suppose this time could be different.

What cracks first, in your opinion? Please explain.

I have a little experience with PE/LBO and what I've seen is that by the time the 'grace period' provided by the initial funding runs out the companies really need to be cash flowing... both to support the operations as always & also the additional debt load. If they can't cash flow - the plan falls apart pretty fast.

But if they are able to cash flow nicely - then a resultant flip (resale or stock float) follows naturally.

So even if the credit spreads widen - it will affect future LBOs but the existing crop of already done deals shouldn't get in immediate trouble, operationally, unless and until there is a cash flow issue with those individual firms.

But it does complicate the PEs planned future exit strategy on these already done deals as higher spreads reduce the attractiveness of the deal for the next owner...

So it then becomes another case of 'sticky pricing' as the PEs are likely to hang on & not cut price as long as the firms they operate/own continue to cash flow. Yes/no?

And for those who aren't aware, there are a lot of PE acquired LBOs operating out there already - more than you would think.

Fly,

For new deals the junk market cracks first. Spreads gap out not 50-75 basis points but 200-300 basis points and on top of that the equity required increases dramatically making financial buyers less comptetitive with strategic buyers.

For deals already done it is as you note. Operating performance is the entire game and financing costs are not all that important.

Whne we would train newbies the shorthand was "Operating assumptions dwarf financing ones."

ot to be OT, but AC/DC, with Bon Scott, not the new guy, was the very best, bar-none, rock and roll band of the 70's ... melodic, bluesy, ballsy...everything music isn't now.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Home improvement retailer Home Depot Inc. (HD.N: Quote, Profile, Research) on Tuesday cut its 2007 earnings outlook, citing weakness in the U.S. housing market.

Home Depot said it expected 2007 earnings per share to fall 15 percent to 18 percent from a year earlier, to a range of $2.30 to $2.36 per share.

Home Depot sees bigger profit drop on housing woes
| Reuters

The press release:
Expired

Banker,

Your operating assumption seems to be that you'll get plenty of warning before something "bad" is about to happen, and that warning is not yet present.

The implication, of course, is that some in the market would be able to discount this "bad" thing in advance. They would earn big profits by seeing the warnings ahead of time.

So what are the warnings? One you mention is a big widening of junk/loan spreads. If that warning came, presumably you and others could say, "uh-oh, now its time to lighten up on stocks/credit."

So my question is, do you expect that you would have a chance to lighten up then? Would CLO's find a liquid bid? Would financials have an orderly decline?

I'm not assuming you're investing. I'm just pointing out that predictions are only worthwhile if they give some advance notice. If the warning signs are concurrent with the "bad" event, then they're not really "warnings", they ARE the bad event.

BHP said to eye Blackstone for Alcoa

The No. 1 mining company reported in talks with private equity firms for $40 billion bid for U.S. aluminum company

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Your uncle died and left you his company.

Now what would make you happier?

  1. Little debt and established management.

or

  1. Massive new debt and new management who have contracts specifying that they receive huge bonuses because of the LBO that they engineered.

Remember in the 80s when executives fought "hostile takeovers"?

I guess the "change of control clauses" which reward them to the tune of 300% changed all that.

Rock on!

Credit spreads are, with a few exceptions (subprime being the obvious one), still very tight and just a touch off their all-time lows. I thought the subprime CDO mess and the prospect of record issuance over the next couple of months would have started to push spreads out, but that hasn't materialized in a significant fashion as of yet. It almost feels to me like the junk market just decided to take the first couple weeks of July off, to go to the beach before the onslaught begins. Auto part manufacturer paper has been another area of weakness of late, so the 20 billion or so Chrysler needs to issue soon for its LBO could be the next flash point for the credit markets. There is going to be so much junk debt on offer over the next couple of months it's hard to believe the market can absorb it all without some sort of significant price concession, it at all.

spread product markets opening wider as we speak. swap spreads hitting new wides.the dominant trade in fixed income investor portfolios the last several years has been the down in coupon trade.that trade is being unwound as we speak and this could get very messy.remember this: the only perfect hedge is in a japanese garden.JJJ

guess i should have proofed it.i should have written that the dominant trade is the down in credit trade....not the down in coupon trade......though if this blows up and rateds drop we may see mortgage guys marching down in coupon....separately,yesterday was interesting as the carnage in the ABX was in the AA piece, not theBBB- piece.it is etting expensive to short the BBB- piece so that has some looking at higher rated tranches.and the negative press for the rating agencies has emboldened the shorts to strike out against the higher rated tranches. any way this could be fun today....

banker,
perhaps its time to change the newbie training manual....
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China executes ex-food and drug chief

"The few corrupt officials of the SFDA are the shame of the whole system and their scandals have revealed some very serious problems,"

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This is what we need here to clean up this damn mess in Washington and Wall Street.

Oops I missed Cal's....

Owning a home is a dream gone bad for many

Q: Has the problem affected only people with low or moderate incomes?

A: Oh, it's not restricted just to low-income people, by any means. I would say the problem was straight across all income levels. And it is spreading. We are in a wave right now because these home loans are adjusting in waves. That's why it is not as bad as it could be. It's not all happening on one single day or time. That helps it to be somewhat manageable for consumer credit counselors and other agencies, but I know there's a strain on many organizations.
Owning a home is a dream gone bad for many - Orlando Sentinel

S&P has put 612 classes of subprime debt on creditwatch negative. It will hold a press conference at 10 AM ET to discuss the move, which apparently grows out of a change in ratings methodology, also to be discussed at the press conference. There is also talk of suspension of ratings of unrating securitizations. That is probably also true, merely SOP when there is a change in methodology.

Tanta, to your station...

612 subprime bond classes put on negative credit watch - that should put some pressure on credit spreads. Also seeing a reasonable flight to quality bid so far this morning. Of course the hot money hasn't called in from the yacht yet this morning, so we'll see if this continues or not.

k harris, you're a faster typer than I! I really don't see how all the junk lbo debt can be placed in even a mildly wobbly market, but we'll see if the hot money has any ammo left to bid this back up. Should be an interesting day.

johnson redbook retail sales index up 0.8% yoy

Horton hears a whap. CDOs getting downgraded (so more accounts have to sell 'em). Bloomberg reports that junk loans are getting rickety. Chain store sales kick off the month in rough shape, again. Ten-year swap spreads at nearly a 5-year wide.

When is the story about a hedge fund going belly up gonna surface?

The only bullish news on bloomberg today:

U.S. Wholesale Sales Increase More Than Inventories (Update3) - Bloomberg.com - what does this mean for 2Q GDP ?

the rest of news are bearish (many of them)

S&P's entire news release is a total shocker. This is going to crush ABX and some CDO. S&P said it was changing its loss severity to 40% from 33%.

Data quality is fundamental to our rating analysis. The loan performance associated with the data to date has been anomalous in a way that calls into question the accuracy of some of the initial data provided to us regarding the loan and borrower characteristics. A discriminate analysis was performed to identify the characteristics associated with the group of transactions performing within initial expectations and those performing below initial expectations. The following characteristics associated with each group were analyzed: LTV, CLTV, FICO, debt-to-income (DTI), weighted-average coupon (WAC), margin, payment cap, rate adjustment frequency, periodic rate cap on first adjustment, periodic rate cap subsequent to first adjustment, lifetime max rate, term, and issuer. Our results show no statistically significant differentiation between the two groups of transactions on any of the above
characteristics.

In other words, the underwriting stunk so badly that no one knows what these loans are going to do.

MaxedOutMama, the bloody characteristics do not include whether the loans were "Stated Income"?? I bet they'd find a GOOD deal of difference if they included it.

Chain Stores vs. Redbook

Retail sales picked up in the July 7 week, the bottom line of an ICSC-UBS report that offers a rare bit of good news on the retail sector. Week-to-week sales rose only 0.1 percent but the year-on-year pace of 2.4 percent is very respectable, reflecting what the report said is better consumer traffic, better consumer confidence, and drier more helpful weather. The report stressed that levels are still modest but are improving and are showing the most consistent strength in three months. Redbook's report, which is also for the first week of July, will be posted at 8:55 a.m. ET. Today's data won't affect expectations for Friday's retail sales report which covers the month of June.

Redbook, in contrast to ICSC-UBS, is reporting weak store sales, with year-on-year growth at a paltry 0.8 percent in the July 7 week. The reports taken together indicate soft sales at best, consistent with company news from the sector which have been mixed at best. Just this morning Home Depot, out of the suffering home products category, lowered estimates. There's a lot more retail news this week with a run of chain stores to report June results on Thursday and of course the Commerce Department to issue retail trade data on Friday.

Yal,

Not only are wholesale sales figures quite good (even if you leave out petroleum, where prices distort the result badly), but the inventory ratio is plunging. Inventory restocking is going to provide a floor for some parts of the economy, while the financial sector sorts itself out.

VIX and VXO are getting jumpy as well, and the yen is rallying sharply. This all "fits" with "Oh crap!" trading -- or in other words, risk getting repriced quickly. Maybe it's nothing. But you gotta keep your eye on all these things. They could be "footprints" of something larger, some kind of real credit stress. As always, we'll see ...

Home Depot warns

Perfect time to issue debt to buy back bonds, eh?

And I see the PPT is working to keep Alcoa propped after their weak earnings report.

Paulson makes a mockery of the dollar.

This market is the most rigged in history.

Incognitus: the bloody characteristics do not include whether the loans were "Stated Income"?? I bet they'd find a GOOD deal of difference if they included it.

No, they don't. I've been telling people for years that this has been an exercise in plausible deniability rather than actual analysis.

The funny thing about the release is that they are not analyzing using the factors that do seem to be predictive. I made myself up a matrix about 7 months ago that seemed to be working well (a lot better than theirs, anyway). It used mostly geo factors and regional factors (affordability, new/existing, etc.) That's because when you state or don't verify, LTV, DTI and such like have no relation to reality, and FICO scores are easily manipulated and mean nothing if you don't have a DTI that's reasonable. Nor do verified assets offer you much if the borrower didn't invest their own money and is in a no-recourse loan. Why wouldn't they let the lienholder take the loss when they are down more in the home than their annual after-tax income?

However my models have now blown to predict unbelievably high losses after 60 day default or the second 30 day in some areas. What pushed it over were average list price declines in the west. I hope I'm wrong; my models show that Alt-A will be producing worse losses than subprime in some areas. If you modify reset terms enough to take a chunk out of 60 day plus defaults, you take a big chunk out of cash flow on the portfolio. I am not sure that is being accounted for properly in many of these models.

Also I've got a terrifyingly long tail on my simulations, meaning that the uncertainty going forward after 12 months is very high and the probability is that many seemingly relatively safely collateralized loans with high DTIs being made now are going to blow 2-3 years down the line.

Nice day to have puts on home builders and lenders. Regional Bank Holders (RKH) is taking quite a hit today. It may become difficult for the general market to hold up when financials are so week. All of this as bond yields are down.

Paulson policies destroying dollar

Hey Henry, still prefer to lie to cover up your BS capitalist pig policies? Lying PIG!!!

Paulson guy belongs in jail.

Free market, my ass.

MOM - what software do you use to model? Can you provide a thumbnail algorithm for what you are doing?

Just curious.

Not only are wholesale sales figures quite good (even if you leave out petroleum, where prices distort the result badly), but the inventory ratio is plunging. Inventory restocking is going to provide a floor for some parts of the economy, while the financial sector sorts itself out.

I think it's clear that business has been expanding at a fairly healthy pace, and I think this report is representative of that. The question is whether businesses are gearing up to serve some US super-consumer that no longer really exists.

I think it's worth reiterating that recessions are frequently about excess business growth as much as anything else. It's analagous to constructing a building that is larger that the materials you're using can support - more isn't necessarily better.

China executes corrupt agency head

Henry Paulson should take a cue.

China's policies are looking smarter and smarter these days.

Crooked capitalists' days are numbered.

Viva la Revolucion!!

I see Kevin already posted that, and with the same conclusion.

Way to go, Kevin!!

Viva la Revolucion!!!

MoM,

My own California "family budget" shows the median-homeowner-income borrower owning a median home is significantly cash flow negative at subprime interest rates. Alt-a interest rates, while lower, still produce negative cashflows.

In other words, they can only make ends meet through credit card debt.

Or with neg-am loans.

Time for the underwriters/rating agencies to toss out stated DTI. Time for stated income to shrink by 80%: back to where it was just five years ago; a niche product for high-end tax avoiders with lots of (verified) assets. Time for neg-am to go away completely. Maybe this is what the Golden West owners realized: their "baby" would be tossed out with the bathwater, so better to sell.

The dollar is being intentionally destroyed by the greedy Bush administration.

This is what happens when you allow the Treasury to print money to buy stocks to prop up the stock market.

Welcome to the Big One.

Viva la Revolucion!

David Pearson,

The junk market is enormously volatile and "advanced notice" is tough to find. But running and screaming "the sky is falling" every time any negative event of any magnitude happens (as many do here) doesn't seem very productive to me.

Turbo,

It almost feels to me like the junk market just decided to take the first couple weeks of July off, to go to the beach before the onslaught begins.

Actually, the junk market usually does that several times a year. You have a good nose.

There is going to be so much junk debt on offer over the next couple of months it's hard to believe the market can absorb it all without some sort of significant price concession, it at all.

Lots of room for concessions given that the starting point had been 250 over, no covenants and PIK/toggles are ok.

David in CT,

Change the manual? Really? You believe financing assumptions are more important? WOW!

dotcommie,

You need to start labeling your "This is the Big One" calls. You could do it like Super Bowls, with Roman numerals. I can see it now "This is the Big One XVII!

banker,

Since you are so culturally illiterate, I'll help you with the reference

The Big One

Michael Moore argues that America should rename itself The Big One.

So, Banker, it looks like you were wrong again.

And furthermore, the numbering belongs on the housing bottom calls.

Your investment banker liar instincts are frothing up lately.

Are you getting worried?

Regarding the Revolution, you and your greedy cohorts have cemented it. Capitalism has a mortal wound. It's a slow death, but a sure one. It can't be stopped. There is no cure.

The Revolution is here, it is waiting for participants.

Dryfly - unfortunately it's all stuff I wrote myself. See David Pearson's comment above for the starting point.

The whole idea was to model risks in in-house portfolios for community banks in a particular locality for commercial and consumer loans. It's pretty easy. Start with demographics and income information, and about the best out there is the ACS (Census). You need national trends to figure trends that will adjust all your households, but you need a tiered household model to deal with lending evaluations for small commercial and residential construction loans. Basically, if someone walks in the door with a brilliant plan to set up a high-end car dealership and your models tell you that you've got a very small household market for it, say no, or say yes, collect a fee, but offload the bulk of the paper to someone you don't like.

For construction loans you need to project demand forward in time, so you look not at current conditions but at what the local picture is likely to look like when the particular project is in the selling stage. Etc.

Your local risk on commercial and consumer held loans is very related to the diversification of economy, so you look at that. It's very important to pick up dependencies. Monte Carlo doesn't begin to address dependencies.

It's simple. Once you have the independent data, a bank can adjust with its own info and figure out where the risks are and how to compensate.

The problem is that over the course of a few years the dependency chains shifted more national than anything else. That you cannot mitigage. Unmitigated risk = a big NO.

Unfortunately, while David is right about CA it's not just CA that has that problem. Many areas do.

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