Mr. Weatherbee is out of town...Ms. Grundy is in charge...let's all cut class and go down to Pop Tate's for a malted and play some of those far out new tunes on the jukebox!
Tanta, can u please post a graph of the 2006 alt-a hybrid delinquency curve vs. 2000/2001? then, u could post the one for subprime moodys showed and we can try to spot the 5 differences between the pictures and help Shylock Fox solve the mystery of alt-a downgrades. we'll be heros!!!
Who can it be writing on my board?
Some CEO, trashing a competitor.
I cannot say if it is wrong or right.
Still it's dumb; the guy just ain't too bright.
What will he do now that his cover's blown?
Hide away, or do something to atone?
Best off if he swallows his pride.
Take it on the chin - too late to run and hide.
Mackey's a lowbrow
Mackey's a lowbrow
Mackey's a lowbrow
Mackey's a lowbrow
Who can it be writing on my board?
It's John Mackey, hoping to strike a chord.
He was writing at least three posts a day.
For seven years, hoping for a big payday.
He was just trying to increase his wealth.
There's nothing wrong with his state of mental health.
But his exploits suddenly came to an end.
What a lousy choice of pseudonym.
When will the Feds come to take him away?
Or at least the SEC?
It's not illegal as far as I can see.
It's just dishonesty.
I'd have an important question reg. timing RE purchase/market:
Do you guys know when the peak of lethal ARM resets (2/28 or 3/27) will be? Is it going to be this year?
Was the low-point in credit quality around Q3/06?
This is all to estimate when the peak in foreclosures could be.
As you know, I'm looking to buy next summer.
BTW I can see some weakness in the current stock market rallye and could very well imagine some minor pull back in fall. Always apply good risk management in the stock market.
The ARM Reset graphic that has been tossed about most recently is the one from pg 47 of this report: <a href="http://www.mises.org/books/inflationinfrance.pdf>Mortgage Liquidity du Jour: Underestimated No More. It suggests that the first wave of resets will crest around Oct-Dec 07.
Since this report, there have been many reported attempts to "save the borrower", and so some of this may have shifted.
Are you also native from Germany as your nom de plume may state?
Anyway, the first link you posted may not be correct. It's about "FIAT MONEY IN FRANCE". As if FIAT money was responsible for all the disasters in French history...
The great unknown here is how the underlying owners of subprime-related assets might react to specific downgrades. In short, will holders become forced sellers so as to stay in line with their stated investment criteria?
I DO appreciate the writing, graphs and original reporting of CR and Tanta. It seems like the others are complimenting themselves on the insightfulness, intelligence and pithiness of the their comments on this blog. But I think that the quality of the comments has deteriorated this year.
What is it with all the 4 letter words, hostility and vulgarity in the posts?? Are your vocabularies so limited that you can't express yourselves strongly in English. Last evening was especially bad, I thought. Perhaps too much beer on the minds.
I think that it got to Tanta last night as well - thus her post this AM. Perhaps some the frequent posters from last evening should re-read their posts in the light of this day with Tanta's points in mind.
First post is prompted by my neighbors plight. A for-sale sign shows up a few days ago. Turns-out this guy is not only facing a three yr-old ARM on his $450K "at purchase" digs, but that the Curves franchises he bought into three years ago were PUT ON CREDIT CARDS!
Now it's collapsing. There is no protecting some people.
Well, that was unexpected. I can't believe Mr. Infantino still has so many of his CD's in print. I guess that's one advantage of not having your work subject to a major label contract.
During the height of the housing boom, investment houses often disregarded the views of their due-diligence firms and bought baskets of mortgages despite warnings because they did not want to lose business, other due-diligence executives said.
via Doug Noland: July 10 - Financial Times (Jenny Wiggins): "Toast at breakfast may soon be more of a treat than a staple after Premier Foods, the owner of Hovis bread, yesterday said it was preparing to raise bread prices for the second time in six months. The pending increase - which the company attributed to rising wheat costs - is merely the latest in a series of price increases food and drink companies have been trying to pass on to consumers this year. The series has seen costs of making bread, beer, yoghurt and chocolate as well as dozens of others packaged food products become increasingly expensive. In the first half of the year, Lehman Brothers' ingredients cost index - which covers cocoa, coffee, oats, tea, soyabeans and milk, among other commodities and which is based on spot rates - rose 14.9%. That follows a 16.5% increase in the second half of 2006. The biggest increase has occurred in powdered milk prices. These have nearly doubled compared with the same period a year ago. Barley prices have also shot up 53%, while corn prices are up 68%."
Now that the partying phase of debt creation is finished, welcome to the hangover. Greenie making Milton proud. What about Ben's promise to Milton about not making more mistakes? Oh wait, that was a promise to inflate if needed. Too bad nearly all that newly minted money was efficiently allocated to pockets on wall street. Maybe Bear Sterns can step into the bread market to keep food production from failing. Eventually the banker parasites will have so drastically corrupted the system that we won't be able to afford to produce food. Don't worry though, Janet really cares about me and you: "What matters to households and consumers is overall inflation. Food and energy are important parts of people's budgets. We should be concerned with what people are concerned with and we are concerned with what people are concerned with," Yellen said. Fed doesn't ignore headline inflation: Yellen - MarketWatch
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It's just an illusion man. Go shopping at the mall today, and see how it is mostly empty. Go to the car dealer and see how few customers there are. Not difficult to get a table at a restaurant these days either is it. Drive around your neighborhood and see all the houses for sale, and especially notice the ones that are empty. Go shopping at Lowe's and Home Depot and take notice of how few customers there are. Do you come to the same conclusion as Wall Street that the economy is booming?
1% of the population owns more than 50% of all the stocks in the stock market. The stock market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent. Why? Because they have a vested interest and they have all the money.
Research companies get paid big money to do on the ground research for large investment banks, so that they can find out what's really going on in the main street market. Do they release that information to the public? No.
Here's what I propose. WE do a little bit of market research of our own. Video economic conditions in your own neighborhood. Notice how few customers there are as compared to two years ago. Drive around your neighborhood and video all the for sale signs and empty houses. Comment on what you think of our current economic conditions. Show the world the Illusion.
Yes, there are plenty of locations in the country where the economy is still good. Especially in areas that did not have a large increase in home prices. But you are sheltered from seeing whats going on with housing in the rest of the country, which is a very large portion, because you do not see the full story on the TV.
The prime directive of the plunge protection team is to maintain investor confidence. They try to maintain this psychological mindset, regardless of the fundamentals in the economy. This is why you do not see any of the unpleasant things happening in the economy on TV. Let me show you what you have not been allowed to see. Will you take the red pill or the blue pill.
Awesome video! Today in St. Pete amongst all the houses and cars for sale, I saw a monster truck, a Benz, and a BMW on street corners with 'For Sale' signs. The comsumption bubble has busted!
Strange don't you just love the end? Ben, always the prankster...
Let me end my talk by abusing slightly my status as an official representative of the Federal Reserve. I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression. You're right, we did it. We're very sorry. But thanks to you, we won't do it again. - Ben Bernanke
Thanks for the link, I had never read that all the way through, carefully. Good read.
Here's what I propose. WE do a little bit of market research of our own. Video economic conditions in your own neighborhood. Notice how few customers there are as compared to two years ago.
Well you might want to be careful doing that - I did something similar about six months ago, was reported and stopped by the police right in the middle of it all - they searched me, my car & went through my digital pictures one-by-one.
I could have protested but they would have brought me downtown, got a warrant and THEN searched me, my stuff & gone through the pictures.
I let them go at it right then & there - I had nothing to hide. Plus they did a check on my ID & car registration and confirmed I was staying at the hotel I said I was at - I was on the road.
Why? They said they wanted to be sure I wasn't scouting the place for a terrorist attack or trying to 'make porn'... shoot up skirts or something.
I was at a large outdoor mall nearing completion & wanted to record its 'progress'... I'm of the opinion that these kinds of malls will struggle after the newness wears off. Wanted now & after shots.
It was one of those new outdoor malls made to look like small downtowns but really are little more than upscale strip malls and yet are just as 'isolated' and hard to get to as any 'traditional' indoor mall.
Neither the police nor the mall security had much of a sense of humor - that I can tell you.
And if you are on mall property - you have 'no rights' to photograph or whatever. You are there at their pleasure - period. They can toss you out without much of a reason. I was polite & they didn't. But then I clearly looked the part of middle aged business geek. YMMV.
Strange don't you just love the end? Ben, always the prankster...
But thanks to you, we won't do it again. - Ben Bernanke
Too bad "it" in this context means defend the value of "money". It would have been nice if "it" in this context was: allow excessive non-productive credit growth. But of course, he didn't get the job by writing about the root cause of The Great Depression. Heaping the blame on the gold standard was exactly what his patrons wanted to hear -- not that bankers were accountable.
Oh well, what else can be expected from a monetary system of mice and men?
While the rich became richer during the 1920s, unions were weak and workers were unable to enjoy the benefits of their improved productivity. At his Baton Rouge plant, Henry Ford employed armed thugs to terrorise his employees against collective action. Unable to maintain their share of the economic surplus, workers experienced a decline in real wages during the decade and corporate profits rose as a percentage of national income. Capitalism, however, requires consumers as much as savers and demand was maintained by the massive expansion of consumer credit, then called "instalment purchases." Radios, fridges, cars, and clothes could all be purchased on credit. By the end of the decade, when outstanding instalment debt had risen to $6 billion, it was estimated that around an eighth of all retail sales were made on credit. There was a decidedly speculative element in the growth of instalment credit: present consumption was being financed with anticipated earnings. Put another way, in their appetite for immediate gratification, the consumers of the 1920s were devouring their future. When the future eventually arrived, they found the cupboard bare. At the time, however, instalment purchases were seen as yet another beneficial new era development. Credit and consumption, it was argued, formed a virtuous circle since from the immediate increase in prosperity would come the ability to pay off debt.
...
Margin loans climbed in tandem with the stock market in the second half of the 1920s. By October 1929, brokers' loans and bank loans to investors had reached a total of nearly $16 billion. --Devil Take the Hindmost, Edward Chancellor
Games up for the mathematical charlatans on Wall Street:
The two assessors should scrap every appraisal on the subprime portion of the $503 billion of CDOs sold globally in 2006, according to Mehernosh Engineer, a London-based credit strategist at BNP Paribas SA. Because people were able to borrow money without credit checks in last year's freewheeling mortgage market, the rating companies have no right to use inductive reasoning to predict the likely defaults on subprime CDOs.
Their models are basically unable to predict any `normal' behavior due to this overriding fraud factor,'' Engineer wrote in a research report this week.The right thing for the rating agencies to do for the 2006 vintage would be to withdraw all ratings.'' CDOs Lose Marbles; Credit `Kerplunks!': Mark Gilbert (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
I'd like to see the size of the ripple through the system by the sudden arrival of so much uncertainty. Gaussian my ass.
Hi, my name is Power Distribution, and I'm here to collect my toll.
Too bad "it" in this context means defend the value of "money". It would have been nice if "it" in this context was: allow excessive non-productive credit growth. But of course, he didn't get the job by writing about the root cause of The Great Depression. Heaping the blame on the gold standard was exactly what his patrons wanted to hear -- not that bankers were accountable.
Strange I think BB was pretty hard on the bankers in that piece. Nor do I believe he blamed gold for the crash - just that by 1929 the gold standard couldn't fix what was already broken.
Friedman showed pretty convincingly that monetary contraction is NOT the way to climb out of a deflation... BB was clever enough to have learned that much.
But the question did Bernanke learn the root causes of the crash leading to contraction as well as he grasped the post-crash Rx?... Who knows, you don't get that from the piece.
by Gary Dorsch of Global Money Trends newsletter. He writes,
"US Treasury chief Henry Paulson, and former chairman of Goldman Sachs, 'monitors the financial markets closely,' and has reinvigorated the infamous 'Plunge Protection Team,' which comes to the rescue of the US stock market whenever nasty revelations come to the surface."
So what is the "big idea" now? Mr. Dorsch writes,
"At the moment, Paulson's grand strategy is to offset losses in the US housing sector with big gains in the stock market, to prevent the US economy from sliding into recession", while the Federal Reserve provides the financing, in that "The Bernanke Fed is preventing borrowing rates from rising at a time of explosive loan demand for US corporate mergers and takeovers, by rapidly increasing the US money supply."
"Since the Bernanke Fed discontinued the decades-old reporting of the broad M3 money supply in March of 2006, the growth rate of M3 has accelerated from an 8% rate to a sizzling 13.7% clip, its fastest in more than three decades."
Re: sizing up the economy by local signs of consumption.
The housing market in California's central valley is pretty much toast; restaurants and stores aren't crowded, either. There are for sale signs on every block in some neighborhoods, primarily lower-income neighborhoods where people who shouldn't have bought, did; and of course new homes are standing vacant.
Some exceptions: here in the valley where the sun bakes down like hellfire and the AC runs straight through five months of the year, the few developers who offer solar poered/energy efficient housing are doing pretty well. This guy is selling out his energy-efficient development in Sacramento:
Some exceptions: here in the valley where the sun bakes down like hellfire and the AC runs straight through five months of the year, the few developers who offer solar poered/energy efficient housing are doing pretty well. This guy is selling out his energy-efficient development in Sacramento:
Dobbs - I've been saying to do this for years. It requires some 'intelligent salesmanship' (oxymoron I know) to point out the long term value but I believe it is a sellable concept and now more than ever.
That concept applies in EVERY part of the country - just that the designs aren't the same. In my part of the world we run heat for 6 plus months but only about 3 months is it really intense... Okay how about better passive solar (like a small greenhouse patio) that catches heat on those days & maybe a little heat pump for the cloudy days? By not turning on our monster winter scaled furnace we'd save a ton over 10 years. Plus the heat pump would double for AC in the summer - up here we get maybe 10 days a year where AC is necessary.
Side note: heat pumps & solar don't cut it here in the depths of winter - days are too short, sun angle too low and heat pumps don work at 20 below. But Oct-Nov and Mar-April... absolutely.
BTW - I have friends in the building trades who are now hurting who I've bounced these ideas off and they look at me like the GM car salesmen look at me when I tell them I want 50 mpg... so I've quite arguing with them & buy VW diesel Jettas instead. I let my wallet do the arguing for me now.
And I'm not talking a 'weird hippie commune' like development either - just smallish, efficient & somewhat sustainable homes designed specifically for the local conditions. What is so hard to understand about that?
Ugh. I so hate it when the cut and paste tricks me Mortgage Liquidity du Jour is at this link.
Lumpeninvestor comes this: Wikipedia. Hopefully through daily doses of CR, and careful reading of UberNerd postings, using this term for myself will become more of an irony.
Ugh. I so hate it when the cut and paste tricks me Mortgage Liquidity du Jour is at this link.
Lumpeninvestor comes this: Wikipedia. Hopefully through daily doses of CR, and careful reading of UberNerd postings, using this term for myself will become more of an irony.
dryfly: I was referring to Ben's paper in Essays on The Great Depression.
To understand The Great Depression is the Holy Grail of macroeconomics. --Essays On The Great Depression, Ben Bernanke
There is never an acknowledgement of too much unwise credit issuance. It is easy to see how lending out an infinite amount of money is the true problem. The bankers always think the problem is that not all the debt can be paid back. Not paying back all the debt is cheating something, stealing from the future -- something the boomer generation has perfected and handed down to their children. Whether it is economic sustainability or midwest topsoil, who cares? Some technological breakthrough will save the day. Besides, it worked for all those previous collapsed civilizations, didn't it? Can you believe what Paris Hilton was wearing in People last week? Like, oh my god!
So does CPI have an adjustment to handle something like the food supply being contaminated with melamine? I guess poisoned food is substitutable for real food in the eyes of the government.
dryfly: The specific topic of study was the correlation between abandonment of the gold standard (read as the abandonment of any fixed standard value of money) and time to recovery. It is pretty obvious that the quickest route to recovery from too much debt is to just forgive the debt, but that is only treating the symptom. So the situation seems much more like that of Ben as Catholic priest than that of a crusader for the holy grail of truth.
Mr. Weatherbee is out of town...Ms. Grundy is in charge...let's all cut class and go down to Pop Tate's for a malted and play some of those far out new tunes on the jukebox!
You think I'm kidding?
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Tanta, can u please post a graph of the 2006 alt-a hybrid delinquency curve vs. 2000/2001? then, u could post the one for subprime moodys showed and we can try to spot the 5 differences between the pictures and help Shylock Fox solve the mystery of alt-a downgrades. we'll be heros!!!
No paranoia thread can be complete without this one.
Mackey's a Lowbrow
Who can it be writing on my board?
Some CEO, trashing a competitor.
I cannot say if it is wrong or right.
Still it's dumb; the guy just ain't too bright.
What will he do now that his cover's blown?
Hide away, or do something to atone?
Best off if he swallows his pride.
Take it on the chin - too late to run and hide.
Mackey's a lowbrow
Mackey's a lowbrow
Mackey's a lowbrow
Mackey's a lowbrow
Who can it be writing on my board?
It's John Mackey, hoping to strike a chord.
He was writing at least three posts a day.
For seven years, hoping for a big payday.
He was just trying to increase his wealth.
There's nothing wrong with his state of mental health.
But his exploits suddenly came to an end.
What a lousy choice of pseudonym.
When will the Feds come to take him away?
Or at least the SEC?
It's not illegal as far as I can see.
It's just dishonesty.
I'm partial to "I'm addicted to stress."
I'd have an important question reg. timing RE purchase/market:
Do you guys know when the peak of lethal ARM resets (2/28 or 3/27) will be? Is it going to be this year?
Was the low-point in credit quality around Q3/06?
This is all to estimate when the peak in foreclosures could be.
As you know, I'm looking to buy next summer.
BTW I can see some weakness in the current stock market rallye and could very well imagine some minor pull back in fall. Always apply good risk management in the stock market.
Thanks for any help, guys!
Joe
Joe,
The ARM Reset graphic that has been tossed about most recently is the one from pg 47 of this report: <a href="http://www.mises.org/books/inflationinfrance.pdf>Mortgage Liquidity du Jour: Underestimated No More. It suggests that the first wave of resets will crest around Oct-Dec 07.
Since this report, there have been many reported attempts to "save the borrower", and so some of this may have shifted.
iTulip had a thread on it recently: Mortgage Swamp - iTulip.com
I'm not paranoid because I don't go ANYWHERE without my tinfoil hat...
dryfly,
Read the conclusions of this scientific report and stop using your tinfoil hat immediately.
poszi - I don't know if I trust that study, they went to MIT... my daughter went to RPI and says only nerds go to MIT.
Hi Lumpeninvestor,
Are you also native from Germany as your nom de plume may state?
Anyway, the first link you posted may not be correct. It's about "FIAT MONEY IN FRANCE". As if FIAT money was responsible for all the disasters in French history...
Thanks, Joe
Another question (I know I'm persistently annoying):
Have you ever ventured into foreign currency mortgages? How can you do this a la carry trade (knowing how risky it may be)?
Thanks, Joerg
For best paranoid results, many dentists recommend Doom's sidebar (shameless self-promotion
"Remember that subprime crisis? Well, its back", by Paul Murphy, FT's Alphaville blog, July 10, 2007.
Sneer all you want - I was looking forward to the John Denver...
OT but Ohio has a follow-up:
Clayton Holdings subpoenaed in subprime probe
| Reuters
Thank you, thank you, oh THANK YOU, Dryfly! The best link ever!!!
dryfly, your instincts are good. It appears the MIT study may in fact be some kind of tin foil covered double head fake...
ZPi | AFDB Effectiveness
(reminds me of Merrill and their Bear Stearns assets)
I DO appreciate the writing, graphs and original reporting of CR and Tanta. It seems like the others are complimenting themselves on the insightfulness, intelligence and pithiness of the their comments on this blog. But I think that the quality of the comments has deteriorated this year.
What is it with all the 4 letter words, hostility and vulgarity in the posts?? Are your vocabularies so limited that you can't express yourselves strongly in English. Last evening was especially bad, I thought. Perhaps too much beer on the minds.
I think that it got to Tanta last night as well - thus her post this AM. Perhaps some the frequent posters from last evening should re-read their posts in the light of this day with Tanta's points in mind.
Hi, folks, long-time lurker.
First post is prompted by my neighbors plight. A for-sale sign shows up a few days ago. Turns-out this guy is not only facing a three yr-old ARM on his $450K "at purchase" digs, but that the Curves franchises he bought into three years ago were PUT ON CREDIT CARDS!
Now it's collapsing. There is no protecting some people.
Well, that was unexpected. I can't believe Mr. Infantino still has so many of his CD's in print. I guess that's one advantage of not having your work subject to a major label contract.
Nice catch Yal, from the Reuters link:
During the height of the housing boom, investment houses often disregarded the views of their due-diligence firms and bought baskets of mortgages despite warnings because they did not want to lose business, other due-diligence executives said.
Oh say it isn't so!
via Doug Noland:
July 10 - Financial Times (Jenny Wiggins): "Toast at breakfast may soon be more of a treat than a staple after Premier Foods, the owner of Hovis bread, yesterday said it was preparing to raise bread prices for the second time in six months. The pending increase - which the company attributed to rising wheat costs - is merely the latest in a series of price increases food and drink companies have been trying to pass on to consumers this year. The series has seen costs of making bread, beer, yoghurt and chocolate as well as dozens of others packaged food products become increasingly expensive. In the first half of the year, Lehman Brothers' ingredients cost index - which covers cocoa, coffee, oats, tea, soyabeans and milk, among other commodities and which is based on spot rates - rose 14.9%. That follows a 16.5% increase in the second half of 2006. The biggest increase has occurred in powdered milk prices. These have nearly doubled compared with the same period a year ago. Barley prices have also shot up 53%, while corn prices are up 68%."
Now that the partying phase of debt creation is finished, welcome to the hangover. Greenie making Milton proud. What about Ben's promise to Milton about not making more mistakes? Oh wait, that was a promise to inflate if needed. Too bad nearly all that newly minted money was efficiently allocated to pockets on wall street. Maybe Bear Sterns can step into the bread market to keep food production from failing. Eventually the banker parasites will have so drastically corrupted the system that we won't be able to afford to produce food. Don't worry though, Janet really cares about me and you:
"What matters to households and consumers is overall inflation. Food and energy are important parts of people's budgets. We should be concerned with what people are concerned with and we are concerned with what people are concerned with," Yellen said.
Fed doesn't ignore headline inflation: Yellen - MarketWatch
While Ben thinks that you worrying about inflation is the biggest problem. Shame on you!
"Undoubtedly, the state of inflation expectations greatly influences actual inflation and thus the central bank's ability to achieve price stability," Fed chairman Ben Bernanke said yesterday
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"money is much too serious a matter to be left to the central bankers"
Let the Great Inflation begin!
FRB Speech, Bernanke -- On Milton Friedman's ninetieth birthday -- November 8, 2002
Good music, tinfoil hats, and MIT. Can't beat this anywhere...
I forgot to mention Mr. Weatherbee and Ms. Grundy. What a Saturday night!
It's just an illusion man. Go shopping at the mall today, and see how it is mostly empty. Go to the car dealer and see how few customers there are. Not difficult to get a table at a restaurant these days either is it. Drive around your neighborhood and see all the houses for sale, and especially notice the ones that are empty. Go shopping at Lowe's and Home Depot and take notice of how few customers there are. Do you come to the same conclusion as Wall Street that the economy is booming?
1% of the population owns more than 50% of all the stocks in the stock market. The stock market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent. Why? Because they have a vested interest and they have all the money.
Research companies get paid big money to do on the ground research for large investment banks, so that they can find out what's really going on in the main street market. Do they release that information to the public? No.
Here's what I propose. WE do a little bit of market research of our own. Video economic conditions in your own neighborhood. Notice how few customers there are as compared to two years ago. Drive around your neighborhood and video all the for sale signs and empty houses. Comment on what you think of our current economic conditions. Show the world the Illusion.
Yes, there are plenty of locations in the country where the economy is still good. Especially in areas that did not have a large increase in home prices. But you are sheltered from seeing whats going on with housing in the rest of the country, which is a very large portion, because you do not see the full story on the TV.
The prime directive of the plunge protection team is to maintain investor confidence. They try to maintain this psychological mindset, regardless of the fundamentals in the economy. This is why you do not see any of the unpleasant things happening in the economy on TV. Let me show you what you have not been allowed to see. Will you take the red pill or the blue pill.
YouTube -
How much longer can they keep up the illusion that everthing is fine on Main Street America?
Sage
Awesome video! Today in St. Pete amongst all the houses and cars for sale, I saw a monster truck, a Benz, and a BMW on street corners with 'For Sale' signs. The comsumption bubble has busted!
Strange don't you just love the end? Ben, always the prankster...
Let me end my talk by abusing slightly my status as an official representative of the Federal Reserve. I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression. You're right, we did it. We're very sorry. But thanks to you, we won't do it again. - Ben Bernanke
Thanks for the link, I had never read that all the way through, carefully. Good read.
wasnt it the price of a gallon of milk that got GBush I in trouble for being out of touch? I wonder how much GW thinks a watermelon costs today.
Here's what I propose. WE do a little bit of market research of our own. Video economic conditions in your own neighborhood. Notice how few customers there are as compared to two years ago.
Well you might want to be careful doing that - I did something similar about six months ago, was reported and stopped by the police right in the middle of it all - they searched me, my car & went through my digital pictures one-by-one.
I could have protested but they would have brought me downtown, got a warrant and THEN searched me, my stuff & gone through the pictures.
I let them go at it right then & there - I had nothing to hide. Plus they did a check on my ID & car registration and confirmed I was staying at the hotel I said I was at - I was on the road.
Why? They said they wanted to be sure I wasn't scouting the place for a terrorist attack or trying to 'make porn'... shoot up skirts or something.
I was at a large outdoor mall nearing completion & wanted to record its 'progress'... I'm of the opinion that these kinds of malls will struggle after the newness wears off. Wanted now & after shots.
It was one of those new outdoor malls made to look like small downtowns but really are little more than upscale strip malls and yet are just as 'isolated' and hard to get to as any 'traditional' indoor mall.
Neither the police nor the mall security had much of a sense of humor - that I can tell you.
And if you are on mall property - you have 'no rights' to photograph or whatever. You are there at their pleasure - period. They can toss you out without much of a reason. I was polite & they didn't. But then I clearly looked the part of middle aged business geek. YMMV.
Ellington Management Group, LLC ~~MBS Investment Company
They like CDO's, they love MBS
and they went Nutz for the Enron logo
Strange don't you just love the end? Ben, always the prankster...
But thanks to you, we won't do it again. - Ben Bernanke
Too bad "it" in this context means defend the value of "money". It would have been nice if "it" in this context was: allow excessive non-productive credit growth. But of course, he didn't get the job by writing about the root cause of The Great Depression. Heaping the blame on the gold standard was exactly what his patrons wanted to hear -- not that bankers were accountable.
Oh well, what else can be expected from a monetary system of mice and men?
While the rich became richer during the 1920s, unions were weak and workers were unable to enjoy the benefits of their improved productivity. At his Baton Rouge plant, Henry Ford employed armed thugs to terrorise his employees against collective action. Unable to maintain their share of the economic surplus, workers experienced a decline in real wages during the decade and corporate profits rose as a percentage of national income. Capitalism, however, requires consumers as much as savers and demand was maintained by the massive expansion of consumer credit, then called "instalment purchases." Radios, fridges, cars, and clothes could all be purchased on credit. By the end of the decade, when outstanding instalment debt had risen to $6 billion, it was estimated that around an eighth of all retail sales were made on credit. There was a decidedly speculative element in the growth of instalment credit: present consumption was being financed with anticipated earnings. Put another way, in their appetite for immediate gratification, the consumers of the 1920s were devouring their future. When the future eventually arrived, they found the cupboard bare. At the time, however, instalment purchases were seen as yet another beneficial new era development. Credit and consumption, it was argued, formed a virtuous circle since from the immediate increase in prosperity would come the ability to pay off debt.
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Margin loans climbed in tandem with the stock market in the second half of the 1920s. By October 1929, brokers' loans and bank loans to investors had reached a total of nearly $16 billion. --Devil Take the Hindmost, Edward Chancellor
via Ben Jones at Housing Bubble Blog
Games up for the mathematical charlatans on Wall Street:
The two assessors should scrap every appraisal on the subprime portion of the $503 billion of CDOs sold globally in 2006, according to Mehernosh Engineer, a London-based credit strategist at BNP Paribas SA. Because people were able to borrow money without credit checks in last year's freewheeling mortgage market, the rating companies have no right to use inductive reasoning to predict the likely defaults on subprime CDOs.
Their models are basically unable to predict any `normal' behavior due to this overriding fraud factor,'' Engineer wrote in a research report this week.The right thing for the rating agencies to do for the 2006 vintage would be to withdraw all ratings.''
CDOs Lose Marbles; Credit `Kerplunks!': Mark Gilbert (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
I'd like to see the size of the ripple through the system by the sudden arrival of so much uncertainty. Gaussian my ass.
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Too bad "it" in this context means defend the value of "money". It would have been nice if "it" in this context was: allow excessive non-productive credit growth. But of course, he didn't get the job by writing about the root cause of The Great Depression. Heaping the blame on the gold standard was exactly what his patrons wanted to hear -- not that bankers were accountable.
Strange I think BB was pretty hard on the bankers in that piece. Nor do I believe he blamed gold for the crash - just that by 1929 the gold standard couldn't fix what was already broken.
Friedman showed pretty convincingly that monetary contraction is NOT the way to climb out of a deflation... BB was clever enough to have learned that much.
But the question did Bernanke learn the root causes of the crash leading to contraction as well as he grasped the post-crash Rx?... Who knows, you don't get that from the piece.
What the ^&^#% is all this S$%#^$% about any #@$@#$^%$ "G" rating?
Buddy,
What do you mean by 'at purchase'?
(It does sound like your neighbour is toast.)
Sage,
I read once that Warren Buffett made one his first BIG contrarian investments by doing exactly the ground-level research you refer to. AMEX IIRC.
Does this makes sense:
by Gary Dorsch of Global Money Trends newsletter. He writes,
"US Treasury chief Henry Paulson, and former chairman of Goldman Sachs, 'monitors the financial markets closely,' and has reinvigorated the infamous 'Plunge Protection Team,' which comes to the rescue of the US stock market whenever nasty revelations come to the surface."
So what is the "big idea" now? Mr. Dorsch writes,
"At the moment, Paulson's grand strategy is to offset losses in the US housing sector with big gains in the stock market, to prevent the US economy from sliding into recession", while the Federal Reserve provides the financing, in that "The Bernanke Fed is preventing borrowing rates from rising at a time of explosive loan demand for US corporate mergers and takeovers, by rapidly increasing the US money supply."
"Since the Bernanke Fed discontinued the decades-old reporting of the broad M3 money supply in March of 2006, the growth rate of M3 has accelerated from an 8% rate to a sizzling 13.7% clip, its fastest in more than three decades."
Re: sizing up the economy by local signs of consumption.
The housing market in California's central valley is pretty much toast; restaurants and stores aren't crowded, either. There are for sale signs on every block in some neighborhoods, primarily lower-income neighborhoods where people who shouldn't have bought, did; and of course new homes are standing vacant.
Some exceptions: here in the valley where the sun bakes down like hellfire and the AC runs straight through five months of the year, the few developers who offer solar poered/energy efficient housing are doing pretty well. This guy is selling out his energy-efficient development in Sacramento:
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Some exceptions: here in the valley where the sun bakes down like hellfire and the AC runs straight through five months of the year, the few developers who offer solar poered/energy efficient housing are doing pretty well. This guy is selling out his energy-efficient development in Sacramento:
Dobbs - I've been saying to do this for years. It requires some 'intelligent salesmanship' (oxymoron I know) to point out the long term value but I believe it is a sellable concept and now more than ever.
That concept applies in EVERY part of the country - just that the designs aren't the same. In my part of the world we run heat for 6 plus months but only about 3 months is it really intense... Okay how about better passive solar (like a small greenhouse patio) that catches heat on those days & maybe a little heat pump for the cloudy days? By not turning on our monster winter scaled furnace we'd save a ton over 10 years. Plus the heat pump would double for AC in the summer - up here we get maybe 10 days a year where AC is necessary.
Side note: heat pumps & solar don't cut it here in the depths of winter - days are too short, sun angle too low and heat pumps don work at 20 below. But Oct-Nov and Mar-April... absolutely.
BTW - I have friends in the building trades who are now hurting who I've bounced these ideas off and they look at me like the GM car salesmen look at me when I tell them I want 50 mpg... so I've quite arguing with them & buy VW diesel Jettas instead. I let my wallet do the arguing for me now.
And I'm not talking a 'weird hippie commune' like development either - just smallish, efficient & somewhat sustainable homes designed specifically for the local conditions. What is so hard to understand about that?
PPI & CPI on tap this week. Concensus for core is at 0.1%, and 0.2 overall. Sounds a little low to me. Could be some nasty reactions in the markets...
Joe,
Ugh. I so hate it when the cut and paste tricks me
Mortgage Liquidity du Jour is at this 
link.
Lumpeninvestor comes this: Wikipedia. Hopefully through daily doses of CR, and careful reading of UberNerd postings, using this term for myself will become more of an irony.
Joe,
Ugh. I so hate it when the cut and paste tricks me
Mortgage Liquidity du Jour is at this 
link.
Lumpeninvestor comes this: Wikipedia. Hopefully through daily doses of CR, and careful reading of UberNerd postings, using this term for myself will become more of an irony.
dryfly: I was referring to Ben's paper in Essays on The Great Depression.
To understand The Great Depression is the Holy Grail of macroeconomics. --Essays On The Great Depression, Ben Bernanke
There is never an acknowledgement of too much unwise credit issuance. It is easy to see how lending out an infinite amount of money is the true problem. The bankers always think the problem is that not all the debt can be paid back. Not paying back all the debt is cheating something, stealing from the future -- something the boomer generation has perfected and handed down to their children. Whether it is economic sustainability or midwest topsoil, who cares? Some technological breakthrough will save the day. Besides, it worked for all those previous collapsed civilizations, didn't it? Can you believe what Paris Hilton was wearing in People last week? Like, oh my god!
So does CPI have an adjustment to handle something like the food supply being contaminated with melamine? I guess poisoned food is substitutable for real food in the eyes of the government.
dryfly: The specific topic of study was the correlation between abandonment of the gold standard (read as the abandonment of any fixed standard value of money) and time to recovery. It is pretty obvious that the quickest route to recovery from too much debt is to just forgive the debt, but that is only treating the symptom. So the situation seems much more like that of Ben as Catholic priest than that of a crusader for the holy grail of truth.
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