I just checked the data from MBA and the 14.44% delinquency rate last quarter was just for subprime ARMs - the total for all subprimes was 13.33. Add in FCs of 4.53 and you have 17.89 last month. This month, subprimes are at 13.77 and FCs are 5.10, giving a total of 18.87. Still a jump, but not nearly as high as I would have expected. Plus, I was surprised to see total delinquencies (prime + non-prime) drop slightly, even if you add Del + FC.
Sure everything is fine, Ill tell that to my Neighbors who just pulled up in the moving truck to remove their belonging's that all is good don't leave you can afford that $2800 first round adjustment I know you can.
I warned them that about the type of mortgage product they had 12 months ago when they were reaching out for advice...obviously they don't take advice. To bad they were good people.
bfatz, It's almost impossible to advise anyone when the advice is something they don't want to hear, even when they ask. I just avoid offering any financial advice, especially to family members. That way I avoid making enemies when the (pre-decided) bad decision yields the inevitable bad outcome.
Curious - Is that $2800 a surprise increase or the total new surprise payment? If it's only the increase, what's the total nut?
1st quarter prime foreclosures were the highest ever at .25. Nothing at all has changed for the better in the housing market.
Contingencies in some markets are stacked 3 and 4 deep (1 signed contract contingent upon closing of another, which is contingent upon closing of yet another, which closing is contingent on sale of the existing home).
Lower delinquencies are being achieved by payment and rate modifications. This can't continue; the market seems to be on the verge of another big step down. Bank profits and asset values are going to take a beating.
I don't know whether anyone else noticed, but this morning's PPI showed lessors's prices dropping ex mini-warehousing/consumer storage. Not a good sign for CRE!
u can get dq data for securitized mortgages by vintage and collateral type (ie Res B/C, Alt A, All mortgage loans) on bloomberg. the data is more timely than MBA (May reporting period is up now).
Here in SoMD we are seeing different numbers between realtytrac and foreclosures.com but what is stricking is one shows low FC stages yet extremely high BK filings. It seems that some start with 7 then go 13 then go FC......
Keep in mind that the improvement in delinquency rates was entirely due to improvement in FHA and VA loan performance. By loan type ...
Prime mortgage delinquencies increased to 2.58% from 2.57% in Q4 2006 and 2.25% a year earlier. That's the highest reading since Q2 2003 (2.60%).
Subprime mortgage DQs jumped to 13.77% from 13.33% in Q4 2006 and 11.50% a year earlier. That's the worst DQ rate since Q3 2002 (14.39%).
FHA DQs dipped to 12.15% from 13.46% in Q4 2006 and 12.23% in Q1 2006.
VA DQs dipped to 6.49% from 6.82% in Q4 2006 and 6.93% in Q1 2006.
Why does this matter? FHA and VA loans capture a much smaller share of the market than they used to. Last year, FHA and VA loans were only about 10% to 15% of all mortgages outstanding, down from roughly 30% in the late 1990s.
Also, in Charles County, the majority of FC's and BK's active are in an older planned community (12K units with another 12.5K planned) in Waldorf. This used to be a decent community but in 04 folks that had been there capitalized on the rise in equity and moved to bigger houses smaller community. Then there was a migration from nothern county of minorities into these that were then priced High of high 2' low 3's and these are the ones that are now getting BK's and FC'd....not sure how long before the new developments using "our prefered lender " starting in the 700"s that were constructed in the last year fail. So I am guessing that we are 3 years from total fall out, that would be 3 years from this last March
If fewer than 1 person in 5 thinks the country is headed in the right direction now, what will we see when 1 person in 5 has been thrown out of a house?
June 14 (Bloomberg) -- Bear Stearns Cos., the second-biggest U.S. underwriter of mortgage bonds, is liquidating holdings from one of its hedge funds after making money-losing bets on subprime mortgage bonds, said three people with knowledge of the decision.
Bear Stearns is seeking bids today from prospective buyers for about $3.8 billion of mortgage securities, said the people, who declined to be identified because the plan isn't public. The 10-month-old Bear Stearns High-Grade Structured Credit Strategies Enhanced Leverage Fund, which is down about 20 percent this year, had about $600 million of investors' money and borrowed to increase its buying power, one of the people said.
In keeping up with these types of statistics, I feel like I am watching a perfect storm developing in the economy. I know a lot of professionals (doctors, lawyers, scientists) and while they all would say the country is going in the wrong direction and are quite upset at how our foreign and fiscal policy is being run, none believe there will be a housing bust (they are also not aware of these data). I think this possibility is inconceivable to them. Just wait for the "mood" readings when this debacle becomes general knowledge.
I find the current situation quite stressful. I want problems to become widely recognized soon so we can start seriously dealing with them and I can start planning rationally for the future again.
roxy, you may be right but I think it's impossible now to ignore the effect that the persistently high energy costs will have on core inflation. It's only possible to strip out fluctuations. At some point the costs can no longer be eaten and they get passed along. Higher LT rates will trickle into inflation readings too.
There may be a FED cut at some point but it will be a last gasp and may not achieve what they intend. They are in a corner. As we've already seen, the FED has limited influence over LT rates...
Nevertheless, Countrywide is flooding the advertising channels -- tv, newspapaer, magazine, web, etc, with adverts for low / no down, easy qualify, no-doc, adjustable sub-prime "fast-food" loans. I saw that their loan volume has gone up, as has their deliquency and foreclosures. Are they trying to keep their ship afloat with more idiotic volume in crap loans? Are they laying the ground for more mortgage disaster in 09,10,11,13?
I've just posted about coming Fed rate cuts in my blog. Click my name if you are interested.
I think the Fed rate cuts will come suddenly and surpise everybody as they have in the past (during the dot.com debacle).
But as long as stocks are surging and the easy money is flowing into subprime business loans, the Fed's hands are tied I believe
I also believe the Fed's past policy of "standing on the sidelines and cleaning up the mess afterwards" is now being vividly repudiated, and they know it:
Speculation, easy money, and hot money are like that serial killer at the end of the movie that keeps coming back to life after being repeatedly shot, bludgeoned, and thrown off the roof.
You can't just sit back and watch it or it destroys everything in it's path. You have to drive a stake through it's heart and burn it.
The people who expressed this sentiment in the late 20s used to sound reactionary and simple-minded to me.
So, roxy your belief that the Fed will cut in September may have some traction. Only if we get about 3k points lower on the dow. I could easily see BB and company doing a half point as a stop during a market panic.
First comes the panic, though. Something that nobody seems to be prepared for.
"Remember, the delinquency rate doesn't include homes in foreclosure. Last quarter, the total for adjustable subprime loans was 14.4% delinquent plus 4.5% in foreclosure, for a total of 18.9% either delinquent or in foreclosure."
Are MBS holders losing money on these? What is their Return on Investment?
I've just posted about coming Fed rate cuts in my blog. Click my name if you are interested.
BTW thero,
I broke down and bought a few bonds even though I still think there could be a beating in the future, so you'll have someone to suffer with you.
Until somebody can explain to me how Japan can keep their long rates at 2% with twice the debt we have, I can't buy the FCB dumping argument. It may be a short-term consideration, but I think with a currency that has no real backing (e.g. gold) the Fed can keep interest rates artificially low if it really wants to by monetizing the debt. And since their mandate is to keep unemployment low, I think they'll have the obligation to do this if things get bad.
I'd be happy to change my position if somebody gives me a good counterargument.
Holden -- My semi-educated guess is as follows: FHA used to be the lender of last resort for stretched borrowers with bad credit. But over the past several years, subprime lenders slashed standards so far that they grabbed all that business. Now, that's where the lion's share of DQs and foreclosures are showing.
FHA's inability to pursue the absolute riskiest chunk of the market is, ironically, probably helping to insulate it a little bit from the market downturn. All of that said, the DQ rate there is still pretty awful compared with the conventional part of the market.
Yal -- I think we're headed to the 5.5% area on the 10-year yield and ultimately, into the high 5s. So that'd be 55 on the TNX (since it's just the 10-year yield times 10)
The question is, how long does it take for us to get there? Treasuries have already taken quite a beating. We'll need some pretty awful CPI news tomorrow to really tank them in the short term. Longer-term, though, I think it'll happen.
Japan's debt is financed internally (i.e., through domestic savings) -- that's why.
Maybe I need to do a little more research, but I don't know that this would prevent the Fed from buying as much government debt it wants (and thus driving rates down).
Given the low reserve limits and the beauty of the money-multiplier system, I don't think the Fed would have much trouble reducing the supply of treasuries and lowering interest rates.
the sad thing about all these sub-prime mortgages are the bad guys who made the loans are going to get bailed out by the gov't and make money. It's always this way. So much for "market forces".
A rough guideline for the "correct" ten year yield is equal to nominal gdp. Japan's gdp is expected to run around 2.5%, with zero inflation, so a 2% ten year is a little on the low side - a result of the BoJ dragging it's heals on hiking rates - but not outrageously low for an economy with no inflation. If you apply the same to the US, expectations of 2.5% growth and a 2.25% forecast for the deflator, ten year yields are now a little on the high side, especially if you think gdp growth isn't going to be as high as expected. I guess the best explanation is the market isn't yet willing to discount that Japan is out of deflation, or that US inflation has really peaked for this cycle.
can't wait until we the new national homeownership rate numbers after these FCLs peak- a little difficult to run on a "ownership" society platform when you can't own anything.
I think it will not stop at 5.5% If it moves beyong 5.35% the next stop is 5.65% -5.70% since once a move starts there are many who short it for some reason.
Another not quite but sort of on topic nifty factoid today is that the major US investment banks have now increased their operating leverage ratios to 25x, which is the same level LTCM was operating at (and the maximum they thought "prudent") before things started to go pear shaped for them. Given that the investment banks bailed out LTCM to stop a total system meltdown, I wonder who's going to be around to bail out the investment banks? The Fed mandates that banks operate with a maximum leverage ratio of 14x or less, with an absolute max of 16.6x before they shut the dooors. I guess it's not such a mystery how their making all that money after all...
IMO--the increase in rates is not about inflation, but is about selling bonds to foreigners and the value of the US dollar. The economy will need to get really bad before the Fed can take the risk of cutting rates, causing declines in the dollar and bond selling by FCB's.
Aside from the terrible economy in the Great Lakes, this is all about lax lending standards.
Delinquencies for fixed-rate loans, whether prime or subprime, were largely unchanged this past quarter. These are mostly people who had their eyes wide open.
But prime ARMs and subprime ARMs foreclosure rates have doubled in the past year or two. These were people who were gambling on a "sure thing."
Now the kicker: Delinquency and foreclosure rates for FHA ARMs - loans to buyers who would otherwise be getting subprime loans -- fell in the quarter.
This isn't about poor people walking away from their obligations, and it's not just a story of higher interest rates putting the squeeze on the most vulnerable; this is about people being conned by teaser rates that hid truly toxic terms.
And with rates rising and prices falling, it's going to get worse.
The headline CPI has risen at a 4.9% (non-seasonally adjusted) pace for the past 6 months (it is up 2.4% during the 6 month period). According to briefing.com the consensus is for another whopping 0.6% in just one month (May). We find out tomorrow.
I think people are being lulled into a false sense of inflationary security because of the commomdity selloff last fall. If we don't get another one just like it, and soon, the headline inflation picture COULD get rather ugly shortly. (My crystal ball is very cloudy, this isn't a prediction.)
Sure, the core inflation rate has been somewhat behaved lately. However, for the past decade there has been a widening gap between core and headline inflation. It is starting to make some wonder (including me) whether energy is riding higher on a secular wave and not just a volatility wave. If it is the former, we can throw everything we think we know about inflation right out the window. The game has changed. We'll be looking at billions of overseas workers not as deflationary helpers but as inflationary competitors.
Of course, there are a lot of "ifs" and "buts" in my thinking. If I could predict the future I wouldn't need to read posts here, lol.
"Mortgage rates moved sharply upward this week, with rates on 30-year fixed-rate mortgages jumping more than 20 basis points, the largest upward movement in over three years," said Frank Nothaft, Freddie Mac vice president and chief economist. "These moves parallel rising yields on Treasury securities, as concerns about inflation pressures and continuing strength of consumer and business spending have dimmed hopes for an interest rate cut.
"Higher mortgage rates may weigh on the housing market's gradual recovery. While demand appears to have stabilized, inventories of new homes remain high, putting downward pressure on construction and home prices."
I think it will not stop at 5.5% If it moves beyong 5.35% the next stop is 5.65% - 5.70% since once a move starts there are many who short it for some reason.
Not entirely out of the question IMO. Especially if we made China mad - I think just the threat of a treasury dump could trigger another rout.
But I think these rates would really crush the economy. For that reason, I can't imagine these kind of rates lasting for long. But I've been surprised before.
Sure, the core inflation rate has been somewhat behaved lately. However, for the past decade there has been a widening gap between core and headline inflation. It is starting to make some wonder (including me) whether energy is riding higher on a secular wave and not just a volatility wave. If it is the former, we can throw everything we think we know about inflation right out the window. The game has changed. We'll be looking at billions of overseas workers not as deflationary helpers but as inflationary competitors.
I think the only way to think about inflation and stay sane is to define it as price increases caused by monetary expansion, and to differentiate this from price increases due to something becoming more valuable (because of increased demand and/or reduced supply). I believe these are two completely different phenomena and should be treated as such (they aren't and I think it creates a lot of confusion).
If you define inflation that way, then it has absolutely nothing to do with foreign workers, energy costs, rising commodity demand, etc. These things become irrelevant and you get a much clearer picture IMO.
Your remarks here are right on the money, in my opinion. The Fed doesn't want to loosen rates with speculation rampant. On the other hand, they don't want to send the markets and the economy into a tailspin.
"IMO--the increase in rates is not about inflation, but is about selling bonds to foreigners and the value of the US dollar"
Maybe I am behind the curve but the higher bond yield tells me that competition for money has heated up. Supply and demand at work. probably too simple an explanation!
Regarding the definition of "inflation", yes, it's solely a function of monetary expansion. That's why I always attempt to say "price inflation" when it's due to other factors.
That said, rising prices always hit J6P the same way -- their dollar doesn't buy as much.
If the Fed even thinks about lowering rates and/or monetizing debt, the dollar will submarine and the price of necessary imported goods (including energy) will soar. Might as well kick J6P in the teeth. That's hardly beneficial to the overall economy.
I think the only way to think about inflation and stay sane is to define it as price increases caused by monetary expansion, and to differentiate this from price increases due to something becoming more valuable (because of increased demand and/or reduced supply). I believe these are two completely different phenomena and should be treated as such (they aren't and I think it creates a lot of confusion).
Inflation is caused by the relationship of two entirely different things. One is money as you point out. The other is goods. You need to look at both in order to understand inflation (even if it does make one slightly insane, I can't say I am sane! ).
In a nutshell, inflation will rise if the amount of money increases faster than the amount of goods.
For example...
Is it not entirely possible that the amount of oil being pumped into the world is not keeping up with the amount of US dollars being pumped into the world?
At a gut level, does it not bother you that we send vast amounts of paper dollars overseas in exchange for actual goods? If that process has been deflationary for us (which it clearly has since those dollars never really got spent by them, merely hoarded), is it not possible that the reverse of that process will be inflationary (they start to spend the dollars we sent them and each dollar therefore becomes worth less)?
Put another way in the form of an extreme example...
Let's say the government printed 1 trillion dollars for me each year. I decide to live rather modestly (for a person receiving that sort of money!). I spend $50k of it per year and bury the rest of it in my backyard. (Note to the government: I'd agree to this deal by the way! )
The government tracks inflation. It sees no harm in what it has done. It continues to print a trillion dollars for me each year. I spend a very small portion of it and continue to bury the rest.
At some point I die. My neighbor, curious about what I've been burying comes over and starts digging holes. When he sees the hoard, he can't believe his good fortune. He goes on a spending spree not even God has seen (to nearly quote Dune).
Suddenly the government starts to notice what it has done. Why is some guy in Washington State willing to pay $50 for a can of soup just because he can? Why is he leaving $10,000 tips for a cup of coffee? Why is the "contagion" spreading? Why can't they contain it? Just how many friends and relatives did my neighbor have? Why couldn't he live as modestly as I did?
OOPS!
It is just a story though. I have no idea what will happen. At some level I tend to agree with your deflationary outlook. At least some of this is the effect of easy credit (wish I knew how much). What easy credit gives us in the form of inflation, it can also take away in the form of deflation. On the other hand, I also see inflationary pressures. It is possible we'll get the worst of both worlds (stagflation).
"banks create new money every time they make a loan. What difference does it make if the loan is to the U.S. government?"
In fractional reserve banking, "money" is created by loaning it out and there is obviously a multiplier effect of this money (credit). Likewise, there is also a huge debt component to this type of money creation.
It is a fallacy to say that ALL money is debt, and the hyperinflationists always miss this distinction. The Fed could simply print cash, or drop a bunch of money in everyone's account with NO ASSOCIATED DEBT, and then we would have unabashed hyperinflation where the currency becomes a roll of toilet paper like tj was saying.
OTOH, if there is always a debt component to the money-creation, you get mainly asset bubbles as JSP never really gets much of a raise beyond the stimulus of the multiplier-effect. And as time goes on, the multiplier effect gets stale (more and more debt raises GDP less and less) until JSP doesn't get a raise at all but asset bubbles continue growing. This is where we're at right now, along with a lot of ACTUAL international (not US) currency debasement which is driving inflation higher overall.
The Fed always favors the debt-money creation as opposed to the helicopter drop as the PTB are very much interested in keeping JSP's wages lite, and the toilet roll scenario puts the Fed out of business permanently.
Getting back to your question about whether it makes any difference if banks loan to the gov, I would say that it doesn't make that much difference. But tj's point, if I,m understanding it correctly, is that Japan's citizens are financing the government's debt with their real savings. This is very different than saying that a bank will just fractional-reserve the money out of thin air and finance the government's debt. In one case, the money is real savings and finances a debt, in the other the money is loaned into existence via debt.
Therefore, expect a BK situation where the US defaults on the debt and gives the Asians the middle finger, anyone else with debt gets killed due to lack of cash-flow, and cash becomes king. Strangely, this will be AFTER an interest rate shock. The Fed mops up in this scenario and the GS and BS of the world will go private and buy back the companies for pennies on the dollar. This has already happened before and worked brilliantly for the PTB.
"``Our level of direct investment in the fund is relatively small, non-material to the future, and we don't have any other creditor relationships with the fund,'' he said. "
translation- if it wasn't for the "greater fool theory" we'd have been stuck with all that shit, thank God for those that are dumb as a box of rocks...
The board started as a hobby, was recognised for its quality of content, and drew many smart commentators.
Early, it was exclusively CR's politically neutral housing crash charts. The comments had a slight left pull, due to the nature of the issue and CR's thesis.
Tanta's expertise was a big draw, but certainly pulled us farther from center. A few righties like Sebastian stayed on board through Tanta's promotion to co-blogger.
The affair then turned into a for-profit venture that might produce fair income. Our participation runs up look and participate -counts with increasingly political talk. The bell has slid from Dryfly's right to his left. Dryfly is approximately a centrist in my estimation.
Today I noticed the first fundamentally political post by CR himself, a lambasting of the president. ("WSJ Bleak Mood")
I see three currents:
1) The housing bubble is out of the closet. At this point there is enough data see where it is headed and feel how far it will go. Our estimates might not be the same, but they are at least converging.
2) Most of the fun was the anticipation, a rattly hoist to the top of the coaster. Now we're using the downhill to think about the elevator drop. That'll be a change in Iraq, or the election, which might be the same thing.
3) CR has slowly taken the site to where the constituency has lead. As a business the site must maintain eyeballs. It needs to be peaking to be sellable, and it would be good to sell before the last fun of the hobby has left.
I see the NAR in the rearview and moveon.org up ahead.
The experience reenforces a theme I keep seeing: Socialism screws up the economy, but is an unstoppable force in media. Sebastion can have as big an IRA as he wants, but Jas Jain is your future media mogul.
Yal probably has it right- the eye of a needle problem...
Homage to Monty P
Bring out your dead (tranche)....
This one's not dead yet!!!
Bonk-auction gavel!!!
'Tis now.
Good luck to all who believed in the might of the real estate market...now we have years of adjustment ahead.
The real winners will be those who can buy a property and have enough money to get through to the other side when these prices today seem normal due to inflation...
The rising tide lifts all boats-at least those without large holes in the side...
OT-
This is potentially really big news for the debt bubble.
June 14, 2007, 4:52 pm
Congress Puts a Chill in Blackstones IPO
Congress has finally lowered the hammer on the private-equity industry. And its hitting Blackstone Group in the head.
Sens. Max Baucus and Charles Grassley, the ranking Democrat and Republican on the Finance Committee, introduced a bill today that would eliminate favorable tax treatment for the private-equity firm, which is planning to go public later this month.
In short, the bill says Blackstones revenue should be taxed at corporate tax levels and not the more favorable partnership levels, as Blackstone had planned.
The bill, which could be passed as soon as a few weeks from now if it gets added on to the budget bills the Congress is currently working on, could put a big chill on Blackstones IPO and other such offerings waiting in the wings.
Deal Journal has also been told by people close to the issue that Baucus and Grassley will introduce a bill in July to make sure that carried interest profits pocketed by private equity firms are taxed as regular income, at as much as 35%, and not the reduced capital gains rate of 15%.
Deal Journal is still digesting the details of the bill and will report back shortly.
Name, I beg to differ.
I am no left wing person by any stretch, but the current administration has become a dead in the water laughingstock. I think they have done themselves up as worst than LBJ/Carter. I used to be a repbu, but now am independent.
If I was such a lefty, BdL wouldn't have banned me for kicking his pet.
Bad news doesn't care what party you happen to believe in, it just is.
That's funny as hell. The day after Schwarzman is lionized on the front page of the WSJ. Not that he's gonna be poor, but that should take the bloom off the Blackstone IPO!
Charts or no Charts but if Fed cut the dollar will tank.
what do you think of this:
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Dollar will tank against what? When we have a recession many other countries usually follow. Maybe Europe will hang out for another year, but they will tank, too.
And with commodities in freefall, the developing world economies will be in even bigger trouble.
So it may turn out that the dollar will tank, but not that much, maybe 3-5% per year.
FLORIDA market pressures with one huge positive- real estate classifieds
"Publishing Division results in May reflected continued significant weakness in Classified advertising. We were very disappointed to see the Retail category decline, a reflection of major retailers holding back on spending in virtually every market. We saw a few bright spots in May, "
Well, I suppose I'm a bit too radical (one way or the other, not quite sure which), but this place is always a good read so I think I'll stick around for a while, see how it progresses.
Socialists? I see more of a Libertarian bent here. Government is necessary, but it should be limited as was originally intended. We have to strike a balance between providing reasonable protections without going nanny-state.
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China Tightens Investment Rules
By Matt Hudgins
Amid fears that competing offshore investors are driving up real estate prices to new heights, China took new steps this week to curb foreign investment in that country's real estate market. The new rules unveiled June 11 extend existing licensing and equity-participation requirements for property purchases to cover investments in Chinese holding companies as well.
For more than a year, Beijing has attempted to cool China's hot property sector in order to avoid oversupply and to prevent foreign investment from driving up prices. Last July, the government required foreign companies to create a wholly owned foreign enterprise (WOFE) in China before developing or acquiring real estate valued at more than $10 million. A WOFE must provide at least 50% of the equity for large projects upfront, a requirement that is intended to reduce speculative construction and potential overbuilding.
Due to the steep equity requirement and a high tax burden on asset transactions, most investment by international institutions has been through acquisition of shares in Chinese real estate companies rather than direct property purchases. The new regulation, however, prevents foreign investors from skirting the WOFE requirement in this way.Read full story here.
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Commercial Mortgage Debt Hits New Heights
Staff Report
Commercial real estate debt outstanding in the United States grew by 2.5% in the first quarter to exceed $3 trillion for the first time, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association's analysis of the Federal Reserve's Flow of Funds data.
Commercial debt, which includes multifamily mortgages, increased to $3.001 trillion in the first quarter, a $72.4 billion increase from the fourth quarter of 2006. Multifamily mortgage debt outstanding grew to $741 billion, an increase of $11.8 billion or 1.6% from the second quarter.
"Issuers of commercial mortgage-backed securities (CMBS), collateralized debt obligations (CDO) and other asset-backed securities (ABS) wer
Name. "fair income"? ROFLOL. This is hobbyish income, at best - and would definitely put Tanta and I in the bread line if this was our only means of support.
As far as a political post - that excerpt was from John Harwood at the WSJ. No one would accuse Harwood of being left of center!
I only added that maybe, just maybe, if the "bleak mood" isn't entirely due to the negative news from Iraq, that that poll seemed to fit together with some recent economic info (luxury goods are selling better than lower end goods). How is that political? That quote is from the Fed.
"In short, the bill says Blackstones revenue should be taxed at corporate tax levels and not the more favorable partnership levels, as Blackstone had planned."
Damn straight and, conceptually, right on the money.
I see the NAR in the rearview and moveon.org up ahead.
And if that isn't the clearest possible indictment of how corrupt political discourse has become, I don't know what could be.
moveon.org? A mild observation from CR regarding the current political mood--which, last I knew, was fairly uncontroversially a part of any good economist's analysis--and we're headed for socialism? Such slippery slopes you seem to live on.
Hyperbole--and the odd dose of meiosis, but that's usually wasted on the net--is and has always been a fine tool in the writer's arsenal. But there is such a thing as wild rhetorical inflation, debasing of the terminology until rational discourse is no longer possible. "Socialism" in the American mainstream media? Since, like, when? If "socialism" means no more than the odd tip of the hat towards the social safety net, then I suppose I could see where you get that in most daily papers. But since that definition makes all of us, up to and including CR and AllenM, socialists, it seems to me we're not increasing the precision of the term. We are merely ratcheting up the emotional load of the words. I am aware that that's a fine American tradition, but I don't have to participate in it.
CR and I are undoubtedly worlds apart on a number of issues; I couldn't tell you how many, since he and I do not focus on what separates us. We neither silence nor correct nor speak for each other. It seemed like an interesting model for a blog: a "found" partnership in which a passion for getting one's facts right could possibly push us past the sloganeering and cheerleading and, well, drivel on the political scene. Certain fundamental differences of opinion between host and co-host never degenerate into difficulties, in no small measure because after "getting it right," "failing to lose one's sense of humor" has always been the inviolate code behind the masthead.
I think it is possible that a sense of humor can lead anyone astray from political orthodoxy. That would be one reason I try to maintain mine. Nonetheless, I'll just bet I've spent more time on the left than you have. If you think I'm the leftiest thing on the political horizon, a downright socialist . . . you have lived a sheltered political existence. I would heartily expect all true socialists to be rightly annoyed at having to claim someone like me. God knows they don't deserve to have to claim the bleedin' Wall Street Journal.
This IPO binge in hedge funds is alarming, they must have saturated retail in the US, thus the move offshore, once they saturate that market, they can always come back home & tap the pension funds in private placements....
they (IB's and hedgies) dumped the equity-like stuff on mom and pop, might as well go for straight equity potentially backed by equity-like stuff-
look, we have this capital depreciation strategy, plan on losing money and we promise to exceed your expectations....
in the letter, slight problem we suffered 20+% in losses, so we locked you up on potential attempts to withdraw so that we can attempt to liquidate the rest and maximize value in your interest...oh, by the way, we were 10 to 1 at times
Tanta,
I found the possibility of a bit of Veblen style socialist commentary in/on myself enlightening;-}
The only socialist I have been accused of being had the term "National" in front of it. I did think they were being a little tongue in cheek at the time.
Markets work until people use the power of the state through lobbying to cheat. Then we get what we have right now, a whole lot of people who have no idea how the system really works waking up when they get poked with a sharp stick.
Is this good? I really don't think so. Will true socialism pop out and provide magic universal healthcare- gosh I hope not. East Germany was such a worker's paradise.
On the other hand a nasty little american version of fascism seems probable after a big splatter concentrates the anger of the masses.
Make your bets folks!
Someday this war's gonna end....
What happened last time we tried guns and butter?
Name seems to be suggesting that it is unseemly in a relatively politically unbiased forum to point out failures of policies that arise from a specific political ideology. If so, then I think this line of reasoning is a cop-out. We should be forced to defend the results of policies that are outgrowths of our political inclinations whatever they may be. It is becoming clear that the results of the policies of the last 6 years are going to be manifestly terrible. If pointing out the obvious badness of these results is considered bad form because they have political implications, then we are in big trouble as a nation. I also sense the "my ideology was good but the implementation was bad" excuse coming out. Economic policies deal, by their nature, with large groups of people. To not account for the shortcomings of large groups of people in the formulation of your policy is monumentally naive. You implement policies with the people you have, not the people you wish you had.
I believe Name is right in his final point, however. The large chunk of the population that will seemingly suddenly have the "American Dream" inexplicably snatched from them are not going to be in the mood to listen to the fine points of ideology, policy, or why all those financiers actually diserved those huge bonuses.
AllenM, dear, I am a mere businesswoman, not an economist, so I am therefore innocent of any belief in "markets" that were somehow analytically or practically independent of the state to start with. I am familiar with people who get apoplectic on subjects like "socialized medicine" who will, nonetheless, demand that I make them a tax-deductible fixed rate loan subsidized by whatever GSE I'm going to fob it off on today.
Sloppy imperfect occasionally innovative state-regulated markets work well enough most of the time to create a Veblen-style leisure class of educated cranks who like to bemoan their impurity. We have such a fine, diverse country that I'm usually able to just drink at a different bar where we bitch about how those kids don't understand music any more.
In any event, my belief is that these mongrel markets work until, as you note, they are sufficiently rigged by the crony class that they no longer work. I'd agree we've got more potential rightist revolutionaries--like you I'm a bit coy about throwing around the "National" word, who wants to start a flame war--than we surely need. My own view, though, is that we will simply decline, as Europe has done, into a nice staid middle-aged respectable social-democratic majority, and the kids will still fail to understand music, and some other economy will be given the opportunity to become the "superpower" and ultimately blow it.
I hope that your scenario comes to pass, but I do believe that if our little Hoover in th WH is not restrained, Ron Paul is going to look like a reasonable candidate in late 2008.
If it doesn't, then my pension is garbage, and a whole lot of folks get really mad after they get a lot of pain inflicted on them. I wouldn't want to be realtor or mortgage broker then;-}
Not that I mind state regulated markets- after all regulation is my business. (Yes, the most evil type of economist- a regulatory economist...)
However, things only change in this country when enough pain is inflicted on the populace that they kick Washington hard. The 2006 elections were the start of the posterior abuse...
One just hopes that the folks who design the regulations aren't totally captured by the regulated community.
Going to be very interesting to see how they unwind the SHO debacle;-} to make those markets work.
"My own view, though, is that we will simply decline, as Europe has done, into a nice staid middle-aged respectable social-democratic majority, and the kids will still fail to understand music, and some other economy will be given the opportunity to become the "superpower" and ultimately blow it."
This is a special blog. Such traditionally dry and recently depressing subject matter, and I still end up smiling at the end.
Red Pill, I am merely practising my hortatory subjunctive. Other people can worry about tense; I worry about mood.
If you missed Laurita Doan's testimony in front of Mr. Don't Eff With Me Today Waxman, then ignore the hortatory subjunctive business and please return to regularly scheduled cynicism. I've been a bit under the weather for the last few days and yes, I've been streaming CSPAN.
I mean for God's sake man, roxyplanet linked to her site showing inverted-hammer-upside-down-black-candlestick-forward-crosses while going long the 30's un-freakin-hedged.
I mean for God's sake man, roxyplanet linked to her site showing inverted-hammer-upside-down-black-candlestick- forward-crosses while going long the 30's un-freakin-hedged.
What do you mean un-freakin-hedged? I have 20 other unrelated positions. And plenty of cash.
Do you trade treasuries just on technicals? It's the most fundamental thing in the market. The biggest buyers and sellers don't even look on the charts every day.
If some stupid hedge fund or bank got some multi-billion margin call and damped all his treasuries in one day to get cash he can get the whole market off the charts. So what? It will get back in few days.
Dont worry about my position and where i stand,,I know where we are headed..so be it you want to be in denial of the fact fibe...but don't fret..trust me I got mine.
Tanta, you are a great writer. You should write some sort of tragicomic historical novel or something about this time period. You know...once this time period is ..um... historical. If you do, put me on the pre-order list.
If the regulars here were going to be the ones to pick up all the pieces after things get ugly, I would sleep well at night. Unfortunately, we got here because the masses have collectively forgotten history and confused education with wisdom. Too much TV will do that. As a result, things will probably descend into a circus of finger pointing and scapegoating. Many things can happen in such circumstances, most of them bad, and even fewer rational. The only hope for a sane solution is to educate people on how it all happened. That will be our task. Think about how you're going to explain this episode in history to a guy who lost his house at a BBQ next summer.
AND CUE HOWARD COSELL The board started as a hobby, was recognised for its quality of content, and drew many smart commentators.
Early, it was exclusively CR's politically neutral housing crash charts. The comments had a slight left pull, due to the nature of the issue and CR's thesis.
Tanta's expertise was a big draw, but certainly pulled us farther from center. A few righties like Sebastian stayed on board through Tanta's promotion to co-blogger.
...
As a scientist and professor, I am often distressed when some many topics are labeled as polical. While aspects of how they are treated have polical implications, evolution is a very strong mainstream line scientific field of research and global climate change and stem cells are normal science.
And humour about politicians is hardly taking sides.
Dudez, the mba has a binary classification system for servicing portfolios. they're either prime or subprime. can't be both. this makes SUBPRIME DQs WAY UNDERSTATED and PRIME DQs WAY OVERSTATED. For example Countrywide's entire servicing book is classified prime and all DQs go into the mba's prime bucket, even though in reality many of them should be subprime. So take that 18.9% and bump it to 22+%...
someone may have made this point above but im too lazy to read 100 comments
EEngineer said: "Unfortunately, we got here because the masses have collectively forgotten history and confused education with wisdom. Too much TV will do that. As a result, things will probably descend into a circus of finger pointing and scapegoating. Many things can happen in such circumstances, most of them bad, and even fewer rational. The only hope for a sane solution is to educate people on how it all happened..."
Do you know how long ago the "television is a vast wasteland" speech was made? 1961, forty-six years ago.
One of my pet peeves is the idea that part of that "collectively forgotten history" is that there have always been serious problems of one kind or another, not one of them new, and very rarely important enough to do us serious damage.
Name said: "...Tanta's expertise was a big draw, but certainly pulled us farther from center. A few righties like Sebastian stayed on board through Tanta's promotion to co-blogger..."
This is as good an illustration of the incredible bias of this blog as I've ever seen.
I've never, ever been part of the right-wing of anything. I'm a "lefty" who recognizes that he lives in a "righty" society.
I just don't whine about it ("the little guy is always going to get screwed") or make pathetically lame threats ("the little guy is going to rise up and throw off the shackles of the wealthy elite").
I'm simply exercising my ability to think for myself instead of blindly following someone who doesn't always know what he's talking about (CR).
No recession this year, no 400k-600k in residential job losses this year.
this seems to be Jan-March which is old news.
Now everythingh (I am sure) is fine.
I just checked the data from MBA and the 14.44% delinquency rate last quarter was just for subprime ARMs - the total for all subprimes was 13.33. Add in FCs of 4.53 and you have 17.89 last month. This month, subprimes are at 13.77 and FCs are 5.10, giving a total of 18.87. Still a jump, but not nearly as high as I would have expected. Plus, I was surprised to see total delinquencies (prime + non-prime) drop slightly, even if you add Del + FC.
Sure everything is fine, Ill tell that to my Neighbors who just pulled up in the moving truck to remove their belonging's that all is good don't leave you can afford that $2800 first round adjustment I know you can.
I warned them that about the type of mortgage product they had 12 months ago when they were reaching out for advice...obviously they don't take advice. To bad they were good people.
[sarcasm]The recent long-term interest rate spike should help improve these numbers going forward [/sarcasm]
bfatz, It's almost impossible to advise anyone when the advice is something they don't want to hear, even when they ask. I just avoid offering any financial advice, especially to family members. That way I avoid making enemies when the (pre-decided) bad decision yields the inevitable bad outcome.
Curious - Is that $2800 a surprise increase or the total new surprise payment? If it's only the increase, what's the total nut?
Ryan, yep, I'll make it clear those numbers were for ARMs. Notice the Prime ARMs jumped too - from 1.45% to 1.66%.
Best to all.
Looking at the data, California and Florida are still seeing low foreclosure rates. I think that will change later this year.
Best to all.
1st quarter prime foreclosures were the highest ever at .25. Nothing at all has changed for the better in the housing market.
Contingencies in some markets are stacked 3 and 4 deep (1 signed contract contingent upon closing of another, which is contingent upon closing of yet another, which closing is contingent on sale of the existing home).
Lower delinquencies are being achieved by payment and rate modifications. This can't continue; the market seems to be on the verge of another big step down. Bank profits and asset values are going to take a beating.
I don't know whether anyone else noticed, but this morning's PPI showed lessors's prices dropping ex mini-warehousing/consumer storage. Not a good sign for CRE!
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"Looking at the data, California and Florida are still seeing low foreclosure rates. I think that will change later this year."
We keep hearing about rising foreclosures in Orange County. So that's just an advance indicator?
u can get dq data for securitized mortgages by vintage and collateral type (ie Res B/C, Alt A, All mortgage loans) on bloomberg. the data is more timely than MBA (May reporting period is up now).
Here in SoMD we are seeing different numbers between realtytrac and foreclosures.com but what is stricking is one shows low FC stages yet extremely high BK filings. It seems that some start with 7 then go 13 then go FC......
Keep in mind that the improvement in delinquency rates was entirely due to improvement in FHA and VA loan performance. By loan type ...
Why does this matter? FHA and VA loans capture a much smaller share of the market than they used to. Last year, FHA and VA loans were only about 10% to 15% of all mortgages outstanding, down from roughly 30% in the late 1990s.
Also, in Charles County, the majority of FC's and BK's active are in an older planned community (12K units with another 12.5K planned) in Waldorf. This used to be a decent community but in 04 folks that had been there capitalized on the rise in equity and moved to bigger houses smaller community. Then there was a migration from nothern county of minorities into these that were then priced High of high 2' low 3's and these are the ones that are now getting BK's and FC'd....not sure how long before the new developments using "our prefered lender " starting in the 700"s that were constructed in the last year fail. So I am guessing that we are 3 years from total fall out, that would be 3 years from this last March
Mike,
What the heck is going on with FHA
Mike ,
where do you think $TNX is going ?
If fewer than 1 person in 5 thinks the country is headed in the right direction now, what will we see when 1 person in 5 has been thrown out of a house?
bacon dreamz -- what bloomberg commands get to securitized mortgage data?
I've just posted about coming Fed rate cuts in my blog. Click my name if you are interested.
June 14 (Bloomberg) -- Bear Stearns Cos., the second-biggest U.S. underwriter of mortgage bonds, is liquidating holdings from one of its hedge funds after making money-losing bets on subprime mortgage bonds, said three people with knowledge of the decision.
Bear Stearns is seeking bids today from prospective buyers for about $3.8 billion of mortgage securities, said the people, who declined to be identified because the plan isn't public. The 10-month-old Bear Stearns High-Grade Structured Credit Strategies Enhanced Leverage Fund, which is down about 20 percent this year, had about $600 million of investors' money and borrowed to increase its buying power, one of the people said.
total new surprise payment " Explosion"
In keeping up with these types of statistics, I feel like I am watching a perfect storm developing in the economy. I know a lot of professionals (doctors, lawyers, scientists) and while they all would say the country is going in the wrong direction and are quite upset at how our foreign and fiscal policy is being run, none believe there will be a housing bust (they are also not aware of these data). I think this possibility is inconceivable to them. Just wait for the "mood" readings when this debacle becomes general knowledge.
I find the current situation quite stressful. I want problems to become widely recognized soon so we can start seriously dealing with them and I can start planning rationally for the future again.
roxy, you may be right but I think it's impossible now to ignore the effect that the persistently high energy costs will have on core inflation. It's only possible to strip out fluctuations. At some point the costs can no longer be eaten and they get passed along. Higher LT rates will trickle into inflation readings too.
There may be a FED cut at some point but it will be a last gasp and may not achieve what they intend. They are in a corner. As we've already seen, the FED has limited influence over LT rates...
Nevertheless, Countrywide is flooding the advertising channels -- tv, newspapaer, magazine, web, etc, with adverts for low / no down, easy qualify, no-doc, adjustable sub-prime "fast-food" loans. I saw that their loan volume has gone up, as has their deliquency and foreclosures. Are they trying to keep their ship afloat with more idiotic volume in crap loans? Are they laying the ground for more mortgage disaster in 09,10,11,13?
Roxy,
Charts or no Charts but if Fed cut the dollar will tank.
what do you think of this:
Richard Cook: Its Official: The Crash of the U.S. Economy Has Begun
btw, both FED and DSL are down today on high volume.
I've just posted about coming Fed rate cuts in my blog. Click my name if you are interested.
I think the Fed rate cuts will come suddenly and surpise everybody as they have in the past (during the dot.com debacle).
But as long as stocks are surging and the easy money is flowing into subprime business loans, the Fed's hands are tied I believe
I also believe the Fed's past policy of "standing on the sidelines and cleaning up the mess afterwards" is now being vividly repudiated, and they know it:
Speculation, easy money, and hot money are like that serial killer at the end of the movie that keeps coming back to life after being repeatedly shot, bludgeoned, and thrown off the roof.
You can't just sit back and watch it or it destroys everything in it's path. You have to drive a stake through it's heart and burn it.
The people who expressed this sentiment in the late 20s used to sound reactionary and simple-minded to me.
Now I'm starting to get it.
I think the Fed is too.
So, roxy your belief that the Fed will cut in September may have some traction. Only if we get about 3k points lower on the dow. I could easily see BB and company doing a half point as a stop during a market panic.
First comes the panic, though. Something that nobody seems to be prepared for.
"Remember, the delinquency rate doesn't include homes in foreclosure. Last quarter, the total for adjustable subprime loans was 14.4% delinquent plus 4.5% in foreclosure, for a total of 18.9% either delinquent or in foreclosure."
Are MBS holders losing money on these? What is their Return on Investment?
I've just posted about coming Fed rate cuts in my blog. Click my name if you are interested.
BTW thero,
I broke down and bought a few bonds even though I still think there could be a beating in the future, so you'll have someone to suffer with you.
Until somebody can explain to me how Japan can keep their long rates at 2% with twice the debt we have, I can't buy the FCB dumping argument. It may be a short-term consideration, but I think with a currency that has no real backing (e.g. gold) the Fed can keep interest rates artificially low if it really wants to by monetizing the debt. And since their mandate is to keep unemployment low, I think they'll have the obligation to do this if things get bad.
I'd be happy to change my position if somebody gives me a good counterargument.
so AC:
rate cut or rate hike ?
rate cut or rate hike ?
They need to hike, but can't take the political backlash that could occur if it causes a sudden downturn.
So I think they'll keep trying to do it by asking Greenspan to make the occasional spurious market-rattling comment such as:
"Bond investors don't need to worry. I doubt the yield on the 10-year will exceed 6%."
Holden -- My semi-educated guess is as follows: FHA used to be the lender of last resort for stretched borrowers with bad credit. But over the past several years, subprime lenders slashed standards so far that they grabbed all that business. Now, that's where the lion's share of DQs and foreclosures are showing.
FHA's inability to pursue the absolute riskiest chunk of the market is, ironically, probably helping to insulate it a little bit from the market downturn. All of that said, the DQ rate there is still pretty awful compared with the conventional part of the market.
Yal -- I think we're headed to the 5.5% area on the 10-year yield and ultimately, into the high 5s. So that'd be 55 on the TNX (since it's just the 10-year yield times 10)
The question is, how long does it take for us to get there? Treasuries have already taken quite a beating. We'll need some pretty awful CPI news tomorrow to really tank them in the short term. Longer-term, though, I think it'll happen.
Until somebody can explain to me how Japan can keep their long rates at 2% with twice the debt we have...
Japan's debt is financed internally (i.e., through domestic savings) -- that's why.
"The people who expressed this sentiment in the late 20s used to sound reactionary and simple-minded to me."
ac,
Do you happen to have examples of these "reactionaries"? I think they would be useful examples.
Japan's debt is financed internally (i.e., through domestic savings) -- that's why.
Maybe I need to do a little more research, but I don't know that this would prevent the Fed from buying as much government debt it wants (and thus driving rates down).
Relative to other assets, there's really not that much treasury debt out there. 4.5 billion vs. total U.S. financial assets of 50 billion.
Given the low reserve limits and the beauty of the money-multiplier system, I don't think the Fed would have much trouble reducing the supply of treasuries and lowering interest rates.
Maybe I'm missing some key point here.
^^^ Er... 4.5 trillion vs 50 trillion.
ac,
Nothing prevents the Fed from monetizing anything.
HOWEVER, the minute they do start openly monetizing you might as well roll up your USD & UST and put it next to the commode.
the sad thing about all these sub-prime mortgages are the bad guys who made the loans are going to get bailed out by the gov't and make money. It's always this way. So much for "market forces".
A rough guideline for the "correct" ten year yield is equal to nominal gdp. Japan's gdp is expected to run around 2.5%, with zero inflation, so a 2% ten year is a little on the low side - a result of the BoJ dragging it's heals on hiking rates - but not outrageously low for an economy with no inflation. If you apply the same to the US, expectations of 2.5% growth and a 2.25% forecast for the deflator, ten year yields are now a little on the high side, especially if you think gdp growth isn't going to be as high as expected. I guess the best explanation is the market isn't yet willing to discount that Japan is out of deflation, or that US inflation has really peaked for this cycle.
Nothing prevents the Fed from monetizing anything.
HOWEVER, the minute they do start openly monetizing you might as well roll up your USD & UST and put it next to the commode.
But that's basically how our whole banking system works every day - banks create new money every time they make a loan.
What difference does it make if the loan is to the U.S. government?
But I agree, it's a situation where you wouldn't expect the dollar to do well, unless other currencies do worse.
I think we've debased our currency, and we've yet to see some of the actual effects.
can't wait until we the new national homeownership rate numbers after these FCLs peak- a little difficult to run on a "ownership" society platform when you can't own anything.
Mike,
Tnx.
I think it will not stop at 5.5% If it moves beyong 5.35% the next stop is 5.65% -5.70% since once a move starts there are many who short it for some reason.
Another not quite but sort of on topic nifty factoid today is that the major US investment banks have now increased their operating leverage ratios to 25x, which is the same level LTCM was operating at (and the maximum they thought "prudent") before things started to go pear shaped for them. Given that the investment banks bailed out LTCM to stop a total system meltdown, I wonder who's going to be around to bail out the investment banks? The Fed mandates that banks operate with a maximum leverage ratio of 14x or less, with an absolute max of 16.6x before they shut the dooors. I guess it's not such a mystery how their making all that money after all...
IMO--the increase in rates is not about inflation, but is about selling bonds to foreigners and the value of the US dollar. The economy will need to get really bad before the Fed can take the risk of cutting rates, causing declines in the dollar and bond selling by FCB's.
What you guys think about this? Looks pretty bad.
Richard Cook: Its Official: The Crash of the U.S. Economy Has Begun
Aside from the terrible economy in the Great Lakes, this is all about lax lending standards.
Delinquencies for fixed-rate loans, whether prime or subprime, were largely unchanged this past quarter. These are mostly people who had their eyes wide open.
But prime ARMs and subprime ARMs foreclosure rates have doubled in the past year or two. These were people who were gambling on a "sure thing."
Now the kicker: Delinquency and foreclosure rates for FHA ARMs - loans to buyers who would otherwise be getting subprime loans -- fell in the quarter.
This isn't about poor people walking away from their obligations, and it's not just a story of higher interest rates putting the squeeze on the most vulnerable; this is about people being conned by teaser rates that hid truly toxic terms.
And with rates rising and prices falling, it's going to get worse.
Bill,
The headline CPI has risen at a 4.9% (non-seasonally adjusted) pace for the past 6 months (it is up 2.4% during the 6 month period). According to briefing.com the consensus is for another whopping 0.6% in just one month (May). We find out tomorrow.
I think people are being lulled into a false sense of inflationary security because of the commomdity selloff last fall. If we don't get another one just like it, and soon, the headline inflation picture COULD get rather ugly shortly. (My crystal ball is very cloudy, this isn't a prediction.)
Sure, the core inflation rate has been somewhat behaved lately. However, for the past decade there has been a widening gap between core and headline inflation. It is starting to make some wonder (including me) whether energy is riding higher on a secular wave and not just a volatility wave. If it is the former, we can throw everything we think we know about inflation right out the window. The game has changed. We'll be looking at billions of overseas workers not as deflationary helpers but as inflationary competitors.
Of course, there are a lot of "ifs" and "buts" in my thinking. If I could predict the future I wouldn't need to read posts here, lol.
Freddie Mac weekly rate survey, the 30 yr fixed jumped to 6.73% up 20 basis points:
Freddie Mac's Primary Market Mortgage Survey
"Mortgage rates moved sharply upward this week, with rates on 30-year fixed-rate mortgages jumping more than 20 basis points, the largest upward movement in over three years," said Frank Nothaft, Freddie Mac vice president and chief economist. "These moves parallel rising yields on Treasury securities, as concerns about inflation pressures and continuing strength of consumer and business spending have dimmed hopes for an interest rate cut.
"Higher mortgage rates may weigh on the housing market's gradual recovery. While demand appears to have stabilized, inventories of new homes remain high, putting downward pressure on construction and home prices."
I think it will not stop at 5.5% If it moves beyong 5.35% the next stop is 5.65% - 5.70% since once a move starts there are many who short it for some reason.
Not entirely out of the question IMO. Especially if we made China mad - I think just the threat of a treasury dump could trigger another rout.
But I think these rates would really crush the economy. For that reason, I can't imagine these kind of rates lasting for long. But I've been surprised before.
Sure, the core inflation rate has been somewhat behaved lately. However, for the past decade there has been a widening gap between core and headline inflation. It is starting to make some wonder (including me) whether energy is riding higher on a secular wave and not just a volatility wave. If it is the former, we can throw everything we think we know about inflation right out the window. The game has changed. We'll be looking at billions of overseas workers not as deflationary helpers but as inflationary competitors.
I think the only way to think about inflation and stay sane is to define it as price increases caused by monetary expansion, and to differentiate this from price increases due to something becoming more valuable (because of increased demand and/or reduced supply). I believe these are two completely different phenomena and should be treated as such (they aren't and I think it creates a lot of confusion).
If you define inflation that way, then it has absolutely nothing to do with foreign workers, energy costs, rising commodity demand, etc. These things become irrelevant and you get a much clearer picture IMO.
ac,
Your remarks here are right on the money, in my opinion. The Fed doesn't want to loosen rates with speculation rampant. On the other hand, they don't want to send the markets and the economy into a tailspin.
So they will only act once a course of action is obvious. Better to be seen as reacting to the economy rather than driving the economy...
"IMO--the increase in rates is not about inflation, but is about selling bonds to foreigners and the value of the US dollar"
Maybe I am behind the curve but the higher bond yield tells me that competition for money has heated up. Supply and demand at work. probably too simple an explanation!
Regarding the definition of "inflation", yes, it's solely a function of monetary expansion. That's why I always attempt to say "price inflation" when it's due to other factors.
That said, rising prices always hit J6P the same way -- their dollar doesn't buy as much.
If the Fed even thinks about lowering rates and/or monetizing debt, the dollar will submarine and the price of necessary imported goods (including energy) will soar. Might as well kick J6P in the teeth. That's hardly beneficial to the overall economy.
I think the only way to think about inflation and stay sane is to define it as price increases caused by monetary expansion, and to differentiate this from price increases due to something becoming more valuable (because of increased demand and/or reduced supply). I believe these are two completely different phenomena and should be treated as such (they aren't and I think it creates a lot of confusion).
Inflation is caused by the relationship of two entirely different things. One is money as you point out. The other is goods. You need to look at both in order to understand inflation (even if it does make one slightly insane, I can't say I am sane!
).
In a nutshell, inflation will rise if the amount of money increases faster than the amount of goods.
For example...
Is it not entirely possible that the amount of oil being pumped into the world is not keeping up with the amount of US dollars being pumped into the world?
At a gut level, does it not bother you that we send vast amounts of paper dollars overseas in exchange for actual goods? If that process has been deflationary for us (which it clearly has since those dollars never really got spent by them, merely hoarded), is it not possible that the reverse of that process will be inflationary (they start to spend the dollars we sent them and each dollar therefore becomes worth less)?
Put another way in the form of an extreme example...
Let's say the government printed 1 trillion dollars for me each year. I decide to live rather modestly (for a person receiving that sort of money!). I spend $50k of it per year and bury the rest of it in my backyard. (Note to the government: I'd agree to this deal by the way!
)
The government tracks inflation. It sees no harm in what it has done. It continues to print a trillion dollars for me each year. I spend a very small portion of it and continue to bury the rest.
At some point I die. My neighbor, curious about what I've been burying comes over and starts digging holes. When he sees the hoard, he can't believe his good fortune. He goes on a spending spree not even God has seen (to nearly quote Dune).
Suddenly the government starts to notice what it has done. Why is some guy in Washington State willing to pay $50 for a can of soup just because he can? Why is he leaving $10,000 tips for a cup of coffee? Why is the "contagion" spreading? Why can't they contain it? Just how many friends and relatives did my neighbor have? Why couldn't he live as modestly as I did?
OOPS!
It is just a story though. I have no idea what will happen. At some level I tend to agree with your deflationary outlook. At least some of this is the effect of easy credit (wish I knew how much). What easy credit gives us in the form of inflation, it can also take away in the form of deflation. On the other hand, I also see inflationary pressures. It is possible we'll get the worst of both worlds (stagflation).
I'd claim we're in unchart
"banks create new money every time they make a loan. What difference does it make if the loan is to the U.S. government?"
In fractional reserve banking, "money" is created by loaning it out and there is obviously a multiplier effect of this money (credit). Likewise, there is also a huge debt component to this type of money creation.
It is a fallacy to say that ALL money is debt, and the hyperinflationists always miss this distinction. The Fed could simply print cash, or drop a bunch of money in everyone's account with NO ASSOCIATED DEBT, and then we would have unabashed hyperinflation where the currency becomes a roll of toilet paper like tj was saying.
OTOH, if there is always a debt component to the money-creation, you get mainly asset bubbles as JSP never really gets much of a raise beyond the stimulus of the multiplier-effect. And as time goes on, the multiplier effect gets stale (more and more debt raises GDP less and less) until JSP doesn't get a raise at all but asset bubbles continue growing. This is where we're at right now, along with a lot of ACTUAL international (not US) currency debasement which is driving inflation higher overall.
The Fed always favors the debt-money creation as opposed to the helicopter drop as the PTB are very much interested in keeping JSP's wages lite, and the toilet roll scenario puts the Fed out of business permanently.
Getting back to your question about whether it makes any difference if banks loan to the gov, I would say that it doesn't make that much difference. But tj's point, if I,m understanding it correctly, is that Japan's citizens are financing the government's debt with their real savings. This is very different than saying that a bank will just fractional-reserve the money out of thin air and finance the government's debt. In one case, the money is real savings and finances a debt, in the other the money is loaned into existence via debt.
Therefore, expect a BK situation where the US defaults on the debt and gives the Asians the middle finger, anyone else with debt gets killed due to lack of cash-flow, and cash becomes king. Strangely, this will be AFTER an interest rate shock. The Fed mops up in this scenario and the GS and BS of the world will go private and buy back the companies for pennies on the dollar. This has already happened before and worked brilliantly for the PTB.
JMHO, of course and feel free to pick it apart.
Turbo,
When everything is going up I guess operating at X25 is no problem.
These guys have hi IQ they will unwind all the leverge before things start going down....all they need to do is sell 96% of their assets at the top.
"``Our level of direct investment in the fund is relatively small, non-material to the future, and we don't have any other creditor relationships with the fund,'' he said. "
translation- if it wasn't for the "greater fool theory" we'd have been stuck with all that shit, thank God for those that are dumb as a box of rocks...
Bear Stearns to Liquidate Bond Hedge Fund, People Say (Update5) - Bloomberg.com
The board started as a hobby, was recognised for its quality of content, and drew many smart commentators.
Early, it was exclusively CR's politically neutral housing crash charts. The comments had a slight left pull, due to the nature of the issue and CR's thesis.
Tanta's expertise was a big draw, but certainly pulled us farther from center. A few righties like Sebastian stayed on board through Tanta's promotion to co-blogger.
The affair then turned into a for-profit venture that might produce fair income. Our participation runs up look and participate -counts with increasingly political talk. The bell has slid from Dryfly's right to his left. Dryfly is approximately a centrist in my estimation.
Today I noticed the first fundamentally political post by CR himself, a lambasting of the president. ("WSJ Bleak Mood")
I see three currents:
1) The housing bubble is out of the closet. At this point there is enough data see where it is headed and feel how far it will go. Our estimates might not be the same, but they are at least converging.
2) Most of the fun was the anticipation, a rattly hoist to the top of the coaster. Now we're using the downhill to think about the elevator drop. That'll be a change in Iraq, or the election, which might be the same thing.
3) CR has slowly taken the site to where the constituency has lead. As a business the site must maintain eyeballs. It needs to be peaking to be sellable, and it would be good to sell before the last fun of the hobby has left.
I see the NAR in the rearview and moveon.org up ahead.
The experience reenforces a theme I keep seeing: Socialism screws up the economy, but is an unstoppable force in media. Sebastion can have as big an IRA as he wants, but Jas Jain is your future media mogul.
Yal probably has it right- the eye of a needle problem...
Homage to Monty P
Bring out your dead (tranche)....
This one's not dead yet!!!
Bonk-auction gavel!!!
'Tis now.
Good luck to all who believed in the might of the real estate market...now we have years of adjustment ahead.
The real winners will be those who can buy a property and have enough money to get through to the other side when these prices today seem normal due to inflation...
The rising tide lifts all boats-at least those without large holes in the side...
Someday this war's gonna end...
OT-
This is potentially really big news for the debt bubble.
June 14, 2007, 4:52 pm
Congress Puts a Chill in Blackstones IPO
Congress has finally lowered the hammer on the private-equity industry. And its hitting Blackstone Group in the head.
Sens. Max Baucus and Charles Grassley, the ranking Democrat and Republican on the Finance Committee, introduced a bill today that would eliminate favorable tax treatment for the private-equity firm, which is planning to go public later this month.
In short, the bill says Blackstones revenue should be taxed at corporate tax levels and not the more favorable partnership levels, as Blackstone had planned.
The bill, which could be passed as soon as a few weeks from now if it gets added on to the budget bills the Congress is currently working on, could put a big chill on Blackstones IPO and other such offerings waiting in the wings.
Deal Journal has also been told by people close to the issue that Baucus and Grassley will introduce a bill in July to make sure that carried interest profits pocketed by private equity firms are taxed as regular income, at as much as 35%, and not the reduced capital gains rate of 15%.
Deal Journal is still digesting the details of the bill and will report back shortly.
Now, this just pisses me off, another tradegy caused by decreased MEW-
MarketWatch.com
Name, I beg to differ.
I am no left wing person by any stretch, but the current administration has become a dead in the water laughingstock. I think they have done themselves up as worst than LBJ/Carter. I used to be a repbu, but now am independent.
If I was such a lefty, BdL wouldn't have banned me for kicking his pet.
Bad news doesn't care what party you happen to believe in, it just is.
That's funny as hell. The day after Schwarzman is lionized on the front page of the WSJ. Not that he's gonna be poor, but that should take the bloom off the Blackstone IPO!
Dollar will tank against what? When we have a recession many other countries usually follow. Maybe Europe will hang out for another year, but they will tank, too.
And with commodities in freefall, the developing world economies will be in even bigger trouble.
So it may turn out that the dollar will tank, but not that much, maybe 3-5% per year.
FLORIDA market pressures with one huge positive- real estate classifieds
"Publishing Division results in May reflected continued significant weakness in Classified advertising. We were very disappointed to see the Retail category decline, a reflection of major retailers holding back on spending in virtually every market. We saw a few bright spots in May, "
MarketWatch.com
I humbly ask: What does J6P stand for?
Well, I suppose I'm a bit too radical (one way or the other, not quite sure which), but this place is always a good read so I think I'll stick around for a while, see how it progresses.
j6p=Joe Sixpack
Socialists? I see more of a Libertarian bent here. Government is necessary, but it should be limited as was originally intended. We have to strike a balance between providing reasonable protections without going nanny-state.
Blackstone IPO is busted anyway, with or with no law change. They just take the money and run.
OT But Interesting
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China Tightens Investment Rules
By Matt Hudgins
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Commercial Mortgage Debt Hits New Heights
Staff Report
Commercial real estate debt outstanding in the United States grew by 2.5% in the first quarter to exceed $3 trillion for the first time, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association's analysis of the Federal Reserve's Flow of Funds data.
Commercial debt, which includes multifamily mortgages, increased to $3.001 trillion in the first quarter, a $72.4 billion increase from the fourth quarter of 2006. Multifamily mortgage debt outstanding grew to $741 billion, an increase of $11.8 billion or 1.6% from the second quarter.
"Issuers of commercial mortgage-backed securities (CMBS), collateralized debt obligations (CDO) and other asset-backed securities (ABS) wer
Name. "fair income"? ROFLOL. This is hobbyish income, at best - and would definitely put Tanta and I in the bread line if this was our only means of support.
As far as a political post - that excerpt was from John Harwood at the WSJ. No one would accuse Harwood of being left of center!
I only added that maybe, just maybe, if the "bleak mood" isn't entirely due to the negative news from Iraq, that that poll seemed to fit together with some recent economic info (luxury goods are selling better than lower end goods). How is that political? That quote is from the Fed.
Best to all.
"In short, the bill says Blackstones revenue should be taxed at corporate tax levels and not the more favorable partnership levels, as Blackstone had planned."
Damn straight and, conceptually, right on the money.
I see the NAR in the rearview and moveon.org up ahead.
And if that isn't the clearest possible indictment of how corrupt political discourse has become, I don't know what could be.
moveon.org? A mild observation from CR regarding the current political mood--which, last I knew, was fairly uncontroversially a part of any good economist's analysis--and we're headed for socialism? Such slippery slopes you seem to live on.
Hyperbole--and the odd dose of meiosis, but that's usually wasted on the net--is and has always been a fine tool in the writer's arsenal. But there is such a thing as wild rhetorical inflation, debasing of the terminology until rational discourse is no longer possible. "Socialism" in the American mainstream media? Since, like, when? If "socialism" means no more than the odd tip of the hat towards the social safety net, then I suppose I could see where you get that in most daily papers. But since that definition makes all of us, up to and including CR and AllenM, socialists, it seems to me we're not increasing the precision of the term. We are merely ratcheting up the emotional load of the words. I am aware that that's a fine American tradition, but I don't have to participate in it.
CR and I are undoubtedly worlds apart on a number of issues; I couldn't tell you how many, since he and I do not focus on what separates us. We neither silence nor correct nor speak for each other. It seemed like an interesting model for a blog: a "found" partnership in which a passion for getting one's facts right could possibly push us past the sloganeering and cheerleading and, well, drivel on the political scene. Certain fundamental differences of opinion between host and co-host never degenerate into difficulties, in no small measure because after "getting it right," "failing to lose one's sense of humor" has always been the inviolate code behind the masthead.
I think it is possible that a sense of humor can lead anyone astray from political orthodoxy. That would be one reason I try to maintain mine. Nonetheless, I'll just bet I've spent more time on the left than you have. If you think I'm the leftiest thing on the political horizon, a downright socialist . . . you have lived a sheltered political existence. I would heartily expect all true socialists to be rightly annoyed at having to claim someone like me. God knows they don't deserve to have to claim the bleedin' Wall Street Journal.
damn, the adds weren't suppose to paste...
Commercial Mortgage Debt Hits New Heights
This IPO binge in hedge funds is alarming, they must have saturated retail in the US, thus the move offshore, once they saturate that market, they can always come back home & tap the pension funds in private placements....
they (IB's and hedgies) dumped the equity-like stuff on mom and pop, might as well go for straight equity potentially backed by equity-like stuff-
Third Point reportedly plans fund IPO in London - MarketWatch
I can hear the BS people....
look, we have this capital depreciation strategy, plan on losing money and we promise to exceed your expectations....
in the letter, slight problem we suffered 20+% in losses, so we locked you up on potential attempts to withdraw so that we can attempt to liquidate the rest and maximize value in your interest...oh, by the way, we were 10 to 1 at times
Tanta,
I found the possibility of a bit of Veblen style socialist commentary in/on myself enlightening;-}
The only socialist I have been accused of being had the term "National" in front of it. I did think they were being a little tongue in cheek at the time.
Markets work until people use the power of the state through lobbying to cheat. Then we get what we have right now, a whole lot of people who have no idea how the system really works waking up when they get poked with a sharp stick.
Is this good? I really don't think so. Will true socialism pop out and provide magic universal healthcare- gosh I hope not. East Germany was such a worker's paradise.
On the other hand a nasty little american version of fascism seems probable after a big splatter concentrates the anger of the masses.
Make your bets folks!
Someday this war's gonna end....
What happened last time we tried guns and butter?
Name seems to be suggesting that it is unseemly in a relatively politically unbiased forum to point out failures of policies that arise from a specific political ideology. If so, then I think this line of reasoning is a cop-out. We should be forced to defend the results of policies that are outgrowths of our political inclinations whatever they may be. It is becoming clear that the results of the policies of the last 6 years are going to be manifestly terrible. If pointing out the obvious badness of these results is considered bad form because they have political implications, then we are in big trouble as a nation. I also sense the "my ideology was good but the implementation was bad" excuse coming out. Economic policies deal, by their nature, with large groups of people. To not account for the shortcomings of large groups of people in the formulation of your policy is monumentally naive. You implement policies with the people you have, not the people you wish you had.
I believe Name is right in his final point, however. The large chunk of the population that will seemingly suddenly have the "American Dream" inexplicably snatched from them are not going to be in the mood to listen to the fine points of ideology, policy, or why all those financiers actually diserved those huge bonuses.
If somebody wants overtly political, here's Bush's campaign slogan to the Fortune 500:
"We cheat the other guy and pass the savings on to you!!"
AllenM, dear, I am a mere businesswoman, not an economist, so I am therefore innocent of any belief in "markets" that were somehow analytically or practically independent of the state to start with. I am familiar with people who get apoplectic on subjects like "socialized medicine" who will, nonetheless, demand that I make them a tax-deductible fixed rate loan subsidized by whatever GSE I'm going to fob it off on today.
Sloppy imperfect occasionally innovative state-regulated markets work well enough most of the time to create a Veblen-style leisure class of educated cranks who like to bemoan their impurity. We have such a fine, diverse country that I'm usually able to just drink at a different bar where we bitch about how those kids don't understand music any more.
In any event, my belief is that these mongrel markets work until, as you note, they are sufficiently rigged by the crony class that they no longer work. I'd agree we've got more potential rightist revolutionaries--like you I'm a bit coy about throwing around the "National" word, who wants to start a flame war--than we surely need. My own view, though, is that we will simply decline, as Europe has done, into a nice staid middle-aged respectable social-democratic majority, and the kids will still fail to understand music, and some other economy will be given the opportunity to become the "superpower" and ultimately blow it.
But I am a mere amateur at such things.
Tanta dear,
Very nice response indeed.
I hope that your scenario comes to pass, but I do believe that if our little Hoover in th WH is not restrained, Ron Paul is going to look like a reasonable candidate in late 2008.
If it doesn't, then my pension is garbage, and a whole lot of folks get really mad after they get a lot of pain inflicted on them. I wouldn't want to be realtor or mortgage broker then;-}
Not that I mind state regulated markets- after all regulation is my business. (Yes, the most evil type of economist- a regulatory economist...)
However, things only change in this country when enough pain is inflicted on the populace that they kick Washington hard. The 2006 elections were the start of the posterior abuse...
One just hopes that the folks who design the regulations aren't totally captured by the regulated community.
Going to be very interesting to see how they unwind the SHO debacle;-} to make those markets work.
Well, I have some regulating to do;-}
Someday this war's gonna end...
"My own view, though, is that we will simply decline, as Europe has done, into a nice staid middle-aged respectable social-democratic majority, and the kids will still fail to understand music, and some other economy will be given the opportunity to become the "superpower" and ultimately blow it."
This is a special blog. Such traditionally dry and recently depressing subject matter, and I still end up smiling at the end.
Maybe we will be alright after all....
Tanta and AllenM-
this ought to restore your belief in the American dream and the markets-
Cheating leads TheStreet.com to cancel an investing contest - CNET News
and one more-
CNNMoney.com: 404 Page Not Found
CS doing the perp walk would do wonders- but then AM of CW should follow with RT of TB.
But hey, a man can hope;-}
Red Pill, I am merely practising my hortatory subjunctive. Other people can worry about tense; I worry about mood.
If you missed Laurita Doan's testimony in front of Mr. Don't Eff With Me Today Waxman, then ignore the hortatory subjunctive business and please return to regularly scheduled cynicism. I've been a bit under the weather for the last few days and yes, I've been streaming CSPAN.
For 7 months the writing has been on the wall " sell assets and go cash"...I fell like its 1929 all over again.
bfatz-
one could get downright depressed around here with you, tj & the three bears, and roxyplanet all saying it's 1929...
and to top it off tonight I learn that both CR and Tanta are freakin SOCIALISTS......
this has got to stop right here and now.
bfatz-
I mean for God's sake man, roxyplanet linked to her site showing inverted-hammer-upside-down-black-candlestick-forward-crosses while going long the 30's un-freakin-hedged.
What do you mean un-freakin-hedged? I have 20 other unrelated positions. And plenty of cash.
Do you trade treasuries just on technicals? It's the most fundamental thing in the market. The biggest buyers and sellers don't even look on the charts every day.
If some stupid hedge fund or bank got some multi-billion margin call and damped all his treasuries in one day to get cash he can get the whole market off the charts. So what? It will get back in few days.
In my older post:
Involuntary inventory accumulation? « The Theroxylandr in Flame
roxy-
it was meant to be funny, by the most obvious technical compilation of BS
risk capital:
Dont worry about my position and where i stand,,I know where we are headed..so be it you want to be in denial of the fact fibe...but don't fret..trust me I got mine.
Tanta, you are a great writer. You should write some sort of tragicomic historical novel or something about this time period. You know...once this time period is ..um... historical. If you do, put me on the pre-order list.
Tanta - You emerged! Where have you been? Miss your commentaries!
If the regulars here were going to be the ones to pick up all the pieces after things get ugly, I would sleep well at night. Unfortunately, we got here because the masses have collectively forgotten history and confused education with wisdom. Too much TV will do that. As a result, things will probably descend into a circus of finger pointing and scapegoating. Many things can happen in such circumstances, most of them bad, and even fewer rational. The only hope for a sane solution is to educate people on how it all happened. That will be our task. Think about how you're going to explain this episode in history to a guy who lost his house at a BBQ next summer.
AND CUE HOWARD COSELL
The board started as a hobby, was recognised for its quality of content, and drew many smart commentators.
Early, it was exclusively CR's politically neutral housing crash charts. The comments had a slight left pull, due to the nature of the issue and CR's thesis.
Tanta's expertise was a big draw, but certainly pulled us farther from center. A few righties like Sebastian stayed on board through Tanta's promotion to co-blogger.
...
"US in a 'Bleak Mood'" is political?
As a scientist and professor, I am often distressed when some many topics are labeled as polical. While aspects of how they are treated have polical implications, evolution is a very strong mainstream line scientific field of research and global climate change and stem cells are normal science.
And humour about politicians is hardly taking sides.
Dudez, the mba has a binary classification system for servicing portfolios. they're either prime or subprime. can't be both. this makes SUBPRIME DQs WAY UNDERSTATED and PRIME DQs WAY OVERSTATED. For example Countrywide's entire servicing book is classified prime and all DQs go into the mba's prime bucket, even though in reality many of them should be subprime. So take that 18.9% and bump it to 22+%...
someone may have made this point above but im too lazy to read 100 comments
Newburgh Fats, DQRP . p.s. i will name my first kid "fats". that is the greatest name ever!!!
EEngineer said: "Unfortunately, we got here because the masses have collectively forgotten history and confused education with wisdom. Too much TV will do that. As a result, things will probably descend into a circus of finger pointing and scapegoating. Many things can happen in such circumstances, most of them bad, and even fewer rational. The only hope for a sane solution is to educate people on how it all happened..."
Do you know how long ago the "television is a vast wasteland" speech was made? 1961, forty-six years ago.
One of my pet peeves is the idea that part of that "collectively forgotten history" is that there have always been serious problems of one kind or another, not one of them new, and very rarely important enough to do us serious damage.
Just like now.
Sebastia
Name said: "...Tanta's expertise was a big draw, but certainly pulled us farther from center. A few righties like Sebastian stayed on board through Tanta's promotion to co-blogger..."
This is as good an illustration of the incredible bias of this blog as I've ever seen.
I've never, ever been part of the right-wing of anything. I'm a "lefty" who recognizes that he lives in a "righty" society.
I just don't whine about it ("the little guy is always going to get screwed") or make pathetically lame threats ("the little guy is going to rise up and throw off the shackles of the wealthy elite").
I'm simply exercising my ability to think for myself instead of blindly following someone who doesn't always know what he's talking about (CR).
No recession this year, no 400k-600k in residential job losses this year.
Sebastia